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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:44 pm

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RDU needs its own whole thread??


Why not?, almost every other U.S. airport has a new thread this week... Personally, I think continuing the old thread would have been fine, but then again who cares. Don't like thread, don't read thread.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:53 pm

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Does Envoy handle the ramp for AA at RDU?


Yes.


Not entirely true. AA does the ramp for most (all?) mainline flights now. I have some friends who work on the ramp for AA and some who work for Envoy. The way my AA friend described it, it sounds like pmUS became the AA ramp because pmAA had already been outsourced to Envoy. And as of a few months ago, AA was still hiring for the ramp.


Could be true. I left AA and Envoy before the plans for ramp had been finalized. At the time Envoy did ramp for all AA flights, but AA had their own maintenance team.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:56 pm

Nashville, another large AA outstation is all Envoy. Above wing ops are AA though. I was curious what it was like in places like STL and RDU.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:38 pm

RDU-BOS gets 4x daily mainline this summer
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:57 pm

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Does anyone know the order for Vision 3040 to be completed?


The new runway is the first and highest priority line item to be completed in the 2040 plan from what I remember. Purely guessing from here, but I believe the next priority after that is improvements made to parking by expanding the Economy Lot 3 substantially then constructing the consolidated rental and transportation center. Terminal expansion will probably follow that, but a lot of what the Vision 2040 plan entails will come as funds become available, and will not necessarily be in place by 2040. For those who want to know some of the specifics of the plan, they can be found at https://vision2040.rdu.com. There should be a document on there outlining a rough timeline of what should be completed in order according the priorities set by the airport.

I'm very excited to see what 2019 has in store for RDU!


Thought I read they are working on additional gates in Terminal 1, then the parking and Consolidated Rental Car Facility first.
Terminal 1 gates, I think 5 new ones, will open, then the CONRAC, then the runway. After the runway THEN they can do more gates on Terminal 2, but the runway in the new location is an enabling project that must happen before any more gates on T2.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:19 pm

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Rafale9312 wrote:
ERJ170 wrote:
Does anyone know the order for Vision 3040 to be completed?


The new runway is the first and highest priority line item to be completed in the 2040 plan from what I remember. Purely guessing from here, but I believe the next priority after that is improvements made to parking by expanding the Economy Lot 3 substantially then constructing the consolidated rental and transportation center. Terminal expansion will probably follow that, but a lot of what the Vision 2040 plan entails will come as funds become available, and will not necessarily be in place by 2040. For those who want to know some of the specifics of the plan, they can be found at https://vision2040.rdu.com. There should be a document on there outlining a rough timeline of what should be completed in order according the priorities set by the airport.

I'm very excited to see what 2019 has in store for RDU!


Thought I read they are working on additional gates in Terminal 1, then the parking and Consolidated Rental Car Facility first.
Terminal 1 gates, I think 5 new ones, will open, then the CONRAC, then the runway. After the runway THEN they can do more gates on Terminal 2, but the runway in the new location is an enabling project that must happen before any more gates on T2.


According to articles I have read over the years. The new runway will be available around 2025 or later. It will be 500 feet to the west of the current runway, and be 11,500 feet in length.

There are contracts out for the final schematics I believe. Then there will be reviews and environmental impacts.

This means Terminal 2 expansion is probably not going to happen until 2026-2027 or later. In the meantime I am guessing that temporary gates or rapid expansion of Terminal 1 will be the goto plan.

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:26 am

I have a feeling RDU would invest in overtime to get the new runway done quicker. 5L/23R only has about five years of usefulness left.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:28 pm

So, it could be a shift from E90s to A220s for JetBlue to RDU. That could be cool but it would then look like most of the E90s would be phased out by current operators. Thoughts?
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:33 pm

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So, it could be a shift from E90s to A220s for JetBlue to RDU. That could be cool but it would then look like most of the E90s would be phased out by current operators. Thoughts?


Still have over a year before the first A220 is due to JetBlue. There’s also only 9 total being deleiveres by EOY 2021. A lot could change in the industry by then with lower fuel prices and a weakening economy. Wouldn’t be surprised to see B6 focus on central US for a bit if fuel prices remain low.

I’m hoping Moxy targets RDU for growth.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:38 pm

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So, it could be a shift from E90s to A220s for JetBlue to RDU. That could be cool but it would then look like most of the E90s would be phased out by current operators. Thoughts?


If the A220 is as good as promised,by 2025 it will be rare to see a E90 anywhere. I am not sure we will see the transition so quickly as B6 will not get the first one until 2020.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:32 pm

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Looks like you are already 1 for 1, the new airline will be Via Air
https://www.flyviaair.com/route-map


Weird. It's gone from the route map.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 pm

Another thread was saying WestJet feels they have overgrown.. so that prospect doesn’t look good.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:44 pm

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Looks like you are already 1 for 1, the new airline will be Via Air
https://www.flyviaair.com/route-map


Weird. It's gone from the route map.


PIT is gone too.. seems like a few more were there.. very odd
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:09 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Looks like you are already 1 for 1, the new airline will be Via Air
https://www.flyviaair.com/route-map


Weird. It's gone from the route map.


PIT is gone too.. seems like a few more were there.. very odd


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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:14 pm

Maybe it was a jump of the gun?
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:33 pm

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Weird. It's gone from the route map.


Lol. So does that make my prediction correct?
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:55 pm

PIT, BHM, MEM and RDU are all off the map. They’ve told me previously HDN won’t return so I’m surprised it’s there still.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:54 pm

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rajincajun01 wrote:

Yes.


Not entirely true. AA does the ramp for most (all?) mainline flights now. I have some friends who work on the ramp for AA and some who work for Envoy. The way my AA friend described it, it sounds like pmUS became the AA ramp because pmAA had already been outsourced to Envoy. And as of a few months ago, AA was still hiring for the ramp.


Could be true. I left AA and Envoy before the plans for ramp had been finalized. At the time Envoy did ramp for all AA flights, but AA had their own maintenance team.

American does handle the Legacy US Airways (IAM) portion of the AA flights at RDU while Envoy is contracted out to do the Legacy AA portion of their schedule. If the IAM/TWU contract has a solid scope clause it will have all of the mainline flights handled by mainline IAM union members.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:54 pm

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RDUDDJI wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:

Yes.


Not entirely true. AA does the ramp for most (all?) mainline flights now. I have some friends who work on the ramp for AA and some who work for Envoy. The way my AA friend described it, it sounds like pmUS became the AA ramp because pmAA had already been outsourced to Envoy. And as of a few months ago, AA was still hiring for the ramp.


Could be true. I left AA and Envoy before the plans for ramp had been finalized. At the time Envoy did ramp for all AA flights, but AA had their own maintenance team.

American does handle the Legacy US Airways (IAM) portion of the AA flights at RDU while Envoy is contracted out to do the Legacy AA portion of their schedule. If the IAM/TWU contract has a solid scope clause it will have all of the mainline flights handled by mainline IAM union members.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:01 pm

Does DL need to expand their club again? Is it time for UA to open a club or should we be looking at Priority Lounge or Centurion for a lounge? Thoughts??
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:39 am

Looks like Frontier Grows again! Frontier up to 32 destinations..

8 new destinations

- CMH (May 1)
– TPA (May 1)
– JAX (Apr 30) * New City
– PHL (Apr 30)
– BOS (Apr 30)
– BDL (Apr 30)
– ALB (Apr 30) * New City
- ISP (Apr 30) * New City

Cities not returning (MDT, MCI, AUS, SAT) due to low performance.

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Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:43 am

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:00 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
Looks like Frontier Grows again! Frontier up to 32 destinations..

8 new destinations

- CMH (May 1)
– TPA (May 1)
– JAX (Apr 30) * New City
– PHL (Apr 30)
– BOS (Apr 30)
– BDL (Apr 30)
– ALB (Apr 30) * New City
- ISP (Apr 30) * New City

Cities not returning (MDT, MCI, AUS, SAT) due to low performance.

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MDT-RDU was going to be a hard one to sell when it was only two days a week Wednesday and Saturday, hardly ideal for VFR weekend traffic. Thursday-Sunday might have faired better.
BOS-RDU will be interesting to watch how that goes against DL and B6.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:30 pm

Will there be a DL response? Maybe it’s time DL nods at RDU again.. it’s been a while
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:51 pm

You’ll see DL respond with prices. A lot of these are doubtful to stick with low frequency. TPA already has two daily carriers (plus G4 to PIE), PHL has two, BOS has two (plus strong AA loyal connectors), CMH has DL...

JAX may be the surprise success in this group followed by ISP.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:19 pm

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Will there be a DL response? Maybe it’s time DL nods at RDU again.. it’s been a while


These flights don't seem frequent enough, but maybe BOS and PHL will get a response.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:47 pm

RDU CEO confirms ViaAir and BHM. Starts April 11 — 4x weekly (Sun, Mon, Thurs, Fri)

https://twitter.com/RDUCEO/status/1083056235715485696

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Interesting. Didn’t they get kicked out of CLT for not paying their fees? Either way.. nice to see a new name.. hopefully it will start a roll for new airlines. Although space is getting tight... those new gates can’t open soon enough...
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:33 pm

Really hoping we get some real airlines adding real (i.e., almost daily) routes instead of this ultra-LCC dart board stuff that business travelers can't hang their hats on at all that seemed to pervade 2018. Otherwise connecting through (or driving to) CLT, ATL or IAD is just too convenient to put up with this trash stuff for short-lived routes or airlines at inconvenient frequencies and awful product.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:36 pm

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JAX may be the surprise success in this group followed by ISP.


JAX can be driven in 6 hours. Compare that to 30 minutes to drive to RDU, getting to the airport 1 1/2 hours early, followed by a flight that will be blocked at 1 hour, followed by a 45 minute commute from JAX to your destination in Jacksonville, and you're at 4 hours. Saving 2 hours each way is hardly worth the expense and risk of delays, cancellations, inflexibility, etc.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 pm

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RDU-BHM is not an uncommon route.. places I also see from their route map they can do is MEM, CAE, and Tallahassee...


RDU-TLH is a good one. There's no direct driving route from RDU to there or to other parts of the Florida Panhandle (you have to do two sides of a triangle through Jacksonville on I-95/I-10). Nonstops from RDU to anywhere on the Gulf Coast east of MSY is a sizeable geographic black hole with no good travel alternatives. A one-hour flight as the bird flies is a huge premium over a 10-13 hour drive to this part of the world.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:48 pm

Is ViaAir receiving any money to start RDU?

PIT appears to be giving them incentives to start service. Not a lot of happy campers up here regarding that, even those of us that usually favor subsidies.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:53 pm

You know what I would like.. I would like RDU to talk to CapeAir and see if they would be interested in starting RDU-MEO/ORF/CAE/GSP/TYS/SAV/CHS/EWN/AVL.. I know some of them are driving distance.. but I think enough people travel those routes for a 9 seater.. and they can give them landing fee waiver and free advertisement for a year as incentive.. I really think the Outer Banks flight would be an instant hit
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:07 am

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rajincajun01 wrote:
JAX may be the surprise success in this group followed by ISP.


JAX can be driven in 6 hours. Compare that to 30 minutes to drive to RDU, getting to the airport 1 1/2 hours early, followed by a flight that will be blocked at 1 hour, followed by a 45 minute commute from JAX to your destination in Jacksonville, and you're at 4 hours. Saving 2 hours each way is hardly worth the expense and risk of delays, cancellations, inflexibility, etc.


Again, a possible surprise success.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:28 pm

Seen in another thread...RDU getting a United Club?

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"On Thursday, Oscar Munoz hosted a special preview event for media, during which he unveiled exciting news for United's lounge network. Before the end of 2019, United will introduce newly renovated United Clubs at LGA (New York-LaGuardia) and FLL (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida), and United will expand it's footprint with two brand-new United Club locations at MSY (New Orleans) and RDU (Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina)."
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:33 pm

Well it’s about time... I am sure AC is happy about this... that makes all major Alliances having a club... now for a general club in T1 and a Centurion in T2
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:52 pm

Saw this elsewhere.. Similarly, a new United Club lounge is coming at Raleigh-Durham International Airport (RDU). Construction is already underway. Again, no formal opening date target but it should be a matter of months, not years.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:58 pm

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Really hoping we get some real airlines adding real (i.e., almost daily) routes instead of this ultra-LCC dart board stuff that business travelers can't hang their hats on at all that seemed to pervade 2018. Otherwise connecting through (or driving to) CLT, ATL or IAD is just too convenient to put up with this trash stuff for short-lived routes or airlines at inconvenient frequencies and awful product.


ULCC dartboard is not a bad way for the market to test itself, though. Routes that were once ULCC fodder like MCI now have daily non-stops.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:50 pm

So who will be the first to get pics of the construction of the new UA club? And I wonder if this means DL won’t be able to expand their club now? I’m assuming the UA club is on the D side while DL and AA are on the C side?
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Where's the club going to be located? In what part of T2?
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:02 pm

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Where's the club going to be located? In what part of T2?


I feel like it’s gonna be across from D1/D3...
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:42 pm

Impressive, topic for its own thread but RDU has to be smallest airport/city— by not even close— to have lounge for each of the US3. Even very large cities with dominant hubs won’t have this. Not having a dominant carrier has its privileges.
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 pm

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Impressive, topic for its own thread but RDU has to be smallest airport/city— by not even close— to have lounge for each of the US3. Even very large cities with dominant hubs won’t have this. Not having a dominant carrier has its privileges.


Doesn’t MSY and AUS have all 3?
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:10 pm

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LovePrunesAnet wrote:

yeah the "show your work" bit is a little, um... cranky/passive aggressive? definitely antagonistic and unnecessary. Happy freaking 2019 though.

I was going to point out only that the fact they route was no longer in existence till via air took it up might indicate it wasn't sustainable. But these airlines like Frontier picking random city pairs, especially involving RDU, seem to be working in general. Especially so *if* Delta has hit the pause button.

As far as Memphis goes, I really see that WAY WAY down the list (or not even ON the list) of needing nonstops from RDU. I frankly think MEM can have everyone on all airlines connect thru hub-only flights as MEM is a shell of it's former self, but this is an RDU topic, not one for MEM.



And a Happy New Year's to you, too. My apologies to anyone I have offended.

IIRC, RDU-MEM was one of the last drops by DL Connection from the MEM hub. I don't know how much that means now, though.


MEM/RDU on Via made more sense than MEM/PIT. I just don't think VIa is the right airline with it'a reputation, I think a start up would fare better

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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:15 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
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Impressive, topic for its own thread but RDU has to be smallest airport/city— by not even close— to have lounge for each of the US3. Even very large cities with dominant hubs won’t have this. Not having a dominant carrier has its privileges.


Doesn’t MSY and AUS have all 3?


The Delta Club will open later this year in AUS.
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:02 am

I hope DL considers another expansion... from what I understand, they could use even more space...
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:18 am

ERJ170 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Impressive, topic for its own thread but RDU has to be smallest airport/city— by not even close— to have lounge for each of the US3. Even very large cities with dominant hubs won’t have this. Not having a dominant carrier has its privileges.


Doesn’t MSY and AUS have all 3?


No AA club at MSY. Third party lounge operator The Club will be in the new terminal, so AA and BA pax can use it as an alternative. The UA club will be a nice addition for UA, AC, and CM pax.
 
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:06 pm

Does anyone know if A220 lines are painted at the jetways for Delta? Asking for a friend.
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:33 pm

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Does anyone know if A220 lines are painted at the jetways for Delta? Asking for a friend.


RDUAA would just paint a line once the plane comes in when I worked there. There has been a lot of history at T2 with lines being painted in wrong places without a plane being present. Fun fact, C23 had a 787-3 line a couple years ago. IDK if it’s still there.
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Re: Raleigh/Durham Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:13 pm

I've got mixed feelings about RDU-SAN still being served by F9 (twice-weekly and appears to perhaps be year-round.)

I'm happy to see the continuation of the service, probably indicating that the loads are good. (Which I would expect.)

OTOH I'm unhappy that F9 is continuing to serve the market because it might be keeping a 'real' airline from stepping in with certainly more freq -- if not daily service -- which the market would certainly support. I bet that WN and AS (and maybe even DL) are carefully monitoring the city-pair and might jump if there's the slightest blink on Frontier's part.

With WN starting SAN-ORF this summer, I wouldn't be totally surprised to also see them jump on RDU-SAN this year or next, despite F9 already being there. WN is expanding their real estate in SAN this year -- rumored to be almost doubling their number of gates -- so they will have plenty of room for continued growth here!

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