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Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:11 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:10 pm

Hope 2019 will be smooth year for the NEO program since Rolls Royce recently had a lot of hiccups regarding the Trent 7000s
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:16 am

I didn't get a 'Harumph' outta that guy!
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:53 am

Any word on when the first Delta A339 will exit the paint shop?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

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Test Aircraft A388neo F-WTTO positioned LDE-TLS

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Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:23 pm

qf789 wrote:
Test Aircraft A388neo F-WTTO positioned LDE-TLS

Good to know that Airbus is progressing the A338's certification campaign. Hopefully, RR's T7000 would be cured of its hiccups soon. :crossfingers:
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:06 pm

qf789 wrote:
Test Aircraft A388neo F-WTTO positioned LDE-TLS

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wtto


Ah, I didn’t know they finally built the A380neo! ;)
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:16 pm

rufusmi wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Test Aircraft A388neo F-WTTO positioned LDE-TLS

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wtto


Ah, I didn’t know they finally built the A380neo! ;)


It seems EK has finally made Airbus cave in.
 
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Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:02 pm

qf789 wrote:
Test Aircraft A388neo F-WTTO positioned LDE-TLS


Breaking News ! Long awaited A380 neo ! :talktothehand:
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:08 am

According to plan the next two A339NEO for TAP Portugal, CS-TUC and CS-TUD, will fly to Lisbon next Thursday.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:13 am

Two birds in one day...Thanks for the update.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:57 pm

First Azul A330-900neo performing engine run

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Two A339's for TAP delivered today

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:15 pm

any updated pics on the DELTA birds?
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:38 pm

qf789 wrote:
Two A339's for TAP delivered today

CS-TUC

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CS-TUD

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https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/1083335260669124609


They look gorgeous. Any idea when CS-TUA is going to be delivered?
 
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:58 am

Azul A330-900 PR-ANZ MSN 1876, RTO and taxi test

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1876

Also had first flight

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Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:41 am

Just booked JFK-LIS on a TAP A330 NEO, excited to give it a try. I always thought the A330 was one of the ugliest commercial aircraft but it looks a lot better with these updates. I still think the winglets look a little off, but better than the "square" ish ones from before.
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Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:53 am

737max8 wrote:
Just booked JFK-LIS on a TAP A330 NEO, excited to give it a try. I always thought the A330 was one of the ugliest commercial aircraft but it looks a lot better with these updates. I still think the winglets look a little off, but better than the "square" ish ones from before.


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Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:17 pm

737max8 wrote:
Just booked JFK-LIS on a TAP A330 NEO, excited to give it a try. I always thought the A330 was one of the ugliest commercial aircraft but it looks a lot better with these updates. I still think the winglets look a little off, but better than the "square" ish ones from before.

You're crazy!

From the back especially, the wing root dihedral and twist on the 330 has always been incredibly beautiful, along with the (visually) extremely wide wings.

Personally both of these elements have always made the 330 seem very graceful, and indeed it seems pilots feel she acts the same way (especially landing characteristics, etc).

Having said that, I don't mind the more "muscle car" look with the huge engine diameter increase, raccoon eyes, and the wing changes! :)
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:52 pm

First A330-900 F-WTTN MSN 1795, test flight TLS-TLS (15 Jan)

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Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:45 am

estorilm wrote:
737max8 wrote:
Just booked JFK-LIS on a TAP A330 NEO, excited to give it a try. I always thought the A330 was one of the ugliest commercial aircraft but it looks a lot better with these updates. I still think the winglets look a little off, but better than the "square" ish ones from before.

You're crazy!

From the back especially, the wing root dihedral and twist on the 330 has always been incredibly beautiful, along with the (visually) extremely wide wings.

Personally both of these elements have always made the 330 seem very graceful, and indeed it seems pilots feel she acts the same way (especially landing characteristics, etc).

Having said that, I don't mind the more "muscle car" look with the huge engine diameter increase, raccoon eyes, and the wing changes! :)


I really think I disliked the smallish appearing engines and squarish winglets of the ceo. Those updates on the neo help a lot. The nose is still kind of ugly though :P
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:58 am

Seems like AirAsia Grouip brought forward their delivery by taking two ex-WW A330neo . What is surprising is both are heading to XJ instead of D7.

XJ has added few pre-loved A330ceo last year, with another pending for delivery. Not sure if these two A339neo will replace current fleet which are mostly pre-loved, except two factory fresh A330ceo.
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Movements 16 Jan 19

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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:25 am

Database photo of A338N, reg F-WTTO (msn 1888) on the other test flight a bit over a fortnight ago...... :airplane: ......



Not much fuss this time around...seems to have gone by relatively quietly, all things considered. :shhh:
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:44 am

juliuswong wrote:
. What is surprising is both are heading to XJ instead of D7.


Probably used to jump-start operations between DMK-Europe.
 
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Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:15 am

juliuswong wrote:
XJ has added few pre-loved A330ceo last year, with another pending for delivery. Not sure if these two A339neo will replace current fleet which are mostly pre-loved, except two factory fresh A330ceo.

Those that are leased from AerCap are on ten year leases - the first of these are due to expire around mid 2023.

Their latest deliveries are on shorter leases (perhaps 5-6 years), but I don't have the definitive information.
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:15 pm

Delta A330-900 MSN 1915 out of the hangar:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1087333496232779778
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:35 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Delta A330-900 MSN 1915 out of the hangar:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1087333496232779778

A very nice looking plane that will look even better once the engines are attached.

Do we know which airline will receive the next A330neo after TAP:

Air Senegal
Air Mauritius
Air Asia X

???
 
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:48 pm

Breathe wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Delta A330-900 MSN 1915 out of the hangar:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1087333496232779778

A very nice looking plane that will look even better once the engines are attached.

Do we know which airline will receive the next A330neo after TAP:

Air Senegal
Air Mauritius
Air Asia X

???


Azul
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:45 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Delta A330-900 MSN 1915 out of the hangar:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1087333496232779778


Nice to see an A330 with appropriately sized titles. The 333s look silly with tiny titles, wasn’t it something to do with the 332s and the sizing between the doors?

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Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:46 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
737max8 wrote:
Just booked JFK-LIS on a TAP A330 NEO, excited to give it a try. I always thought the A330 was one of the ugliest commercial aircraft but it looks a lot better with these updates. I still think the winglets look a little off, but better than the "square" ish ones from before.


:grumpy: That's ban-worthy! (just kidding)

Agreed. The A330/40 aircraft are the most sexy looking aircraft built!
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Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:17 pm

Just to let you know, two more A330-900NEO in service!
CS-TUC is operating LIS-GRU on TP83 while CS-TUD will do the night flight to GRU on TP87.
Today, the three daily flights from LIS to GRU are being operated by A330neo since the first flight of the day is already operating with CS-TUB!
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:04 am

Breathe wrote:
Do we know which airline will receive the next A330neo after TAP:

Air Senegal
Air Mauritius
Air Asia X

???

It is most likely to be Azul Linhas Aéreas Brasileiras.

MSN1876 PR-ANZ had its first flight on 11 Jan 2019. So if all goes well, delivery should take place next month.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:30 pm

EASA certifies A330neo for “beyond 180 minutes” ETOPS

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... etops.html
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:23 pm

First A330neo for Air Senegal performed its first test flight:
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/airbus-a330neo-voor-air-senegal-maakt-eerste-vlucht
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EASA certifies A330neo for “beyond 180 minutes” ETOPS

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... etops.html

285 minutes is insane, could you imagine casually flying 2000nmi on a single engine?

Congrats to airbus and RR! beautiful bird.
 
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Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:23 pm

estorilm wrote:
BobMUC wrote:
EASA certifies A330neo for “beyond 180 minutes” ETOPS

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... etops.html

285 minutes is insane, could you imagine casually flying 2000nmi on a single engine?

Congrats to airbus and RR! beautiful bird.


285 mins here. 777/787 got 330 mins.

A350 was given 370 mins. (6hrs 10mins) on one engine. Really quite incredible tbh. Realistically this is what they are certified for, but I’d be willing to bet a lot they’d fly longer than that if they had the fuel.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:16 pm

MSN1920, N402DX, DL's second A339, rolled out of the FAL yesterday.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:40 am

https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/ponti ... -emirates/

Idk if it's posted anywhere else (searched but couldnt find anything), but apparently the rate is being dropped to 3.5 a month?

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:38 am

What about Kuwait Airways? According to Wikipedia (I know...) they are receiving their first A338 in March 2019. Any news/update on that front?
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MoKa777 wrote:
What about Kuwait Airways? According to Wikipedia (I know...) they are receiving their first A338 in March 2019. Any news/update on that front?

They are not, that is just people misreading the order PR. KU is getting the first of their new Airbus fleet (A320neo, A330neo, A350) in March, which will be a A320neo. They are not getting their first A338 in March.
 
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Polot wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
What about Kuwait Airways? According to Wikipedia (I know...) they are receiving their first A338 in March 2019. Any news/update on that front?

They are not, that is just people misreading the order PR. KU is getting the first of their new Airbus fleet (A320neo, A330neo, A350) in March, which will be a A320neo. They are not getting their first A338 in March.


Thank you. Aah, Wikipedia - got to love it...

Any idea when they will actually receive their A338 (and A359 for that matter)?
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:31 pm

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https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/pontifications-787-10-engines-too-small-for-emirates/

Idk if it's posted anywhere else (searched but couldnt find anything), but apparently the rate is being dropped to 3.5 a month?

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."

That is a rate only viable thanks to the large number of A330CEOs in use (demanding spares) and engine commonality with the 787.

The A330NEO has become the 717 of widebodies. This is a make or break year. Production must go up to pay for PIPs or this it is certain future sales will be tougher. E.g., Reshape the sidewalls for better 9-across comfort.

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Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:24 pm

lightsaber wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/pontifications-787-10-engines-too-small-for-emirates/

Idk if it's posted anywhere else (searched but couldnt find anything), but apparently the rate is being dropped to 3.5 a month?

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."

That is a rate only viable thanks to the large number of A330CEOs in use (demanding spares) and engine commonality with the 787.

The A330NEO has become the 717 of widebodies. This is a make or break year. Production must go up to pay for PIPs or this it is certain future sales will be tougher. E.g., Reshape the sidewalls for better 9-across comfort.

Lightsaber


Airbus is talking about the production rate for the A330ceo and neo combined. Going down to rate 3.5 would mean a 7 to 8 years backlog. Production rate 5 gives a 5 year backlog. As it is rate 3.5 would not make any sense.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:40 pm

The lower rate surely takes into account several factors. Airlines such as Jet AW not taking the backlogged A330ceo orders, the leasing companies finding it difficult to place their A330 deliveries and Air Asia doing as it has done before, chopping and changing the delivery stream and not taking so many or as fast as once supposed. That said, the new Airbus management team must be all too aware that at rate 14, Boeing is much more able and out to do what it takes to place the 787 wherever there is an A330NEO opportunity - witness Hawaiian and AAL thus far. Should be an interesting tussle this year.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:46 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
https://leehamnews.com/2019/02/04/pontifications-787-10-engines-too-small-for-emirates/

Idk if it's posted anywhere else (searched but couldnt find anything), but apparently the rate is being dropped to 3.5 a month?

"Airbus is reducing the production rate for the A330neo from six to 4.5/mo to 3/5mo, according to market sources."

That is a rate only viable thanks to the large number of A330CEOs in use (demanding spares) and engine commonality with the 787.

The A330NEO has become the 717 of widebodies. This is a make or break year. Production must go up to pay for PIPs or this it is certain future sales will be tougher. E.g., Reshape the sidewalls for better 9-across comfort.

Lightsaber


Airbus is talking about the production rate for the A330ceo and neo combined. Going down to rate 3.5 would mean a 7 to 8 years backlog. Production rate 5 gives a 5 year backlog. As it is rate 3.5 would not make any sense.

How firm are the leasing company orders?
What is the AirAsia delivery schedule?

Doesn't make sense? The 717 did the same thing and Boeing had to finance the planes.

I hope this is only a rumour. But even 6/month is too marginal to fund PIPs.

Many years ago we went through the same discussions on the 717, a dependable and we'll liked Airframe. The issue was A320/738 economics were just enough better to keep stalling sales.

Today it is A350, 787, A321LR (xLR?) and possibly anticipation of the 797. The A338 just isn't economical IMHO.

The A339 works high yeild (DL) and high Density (AirAsia). Airbus must sell to those two niches. The rule of thumb for a liquid market is 20+ airlines and 400+ examples. To sell to the A330 upgrade, there needs to be enough economy of scale to compete price and pay for PIPs. 100 per year has become survival.

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Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:58 pm

Air Asia X’s delivery schedule stretched out all the way to something like ~2028 when they first ordered the plane. They may have compressed that some but initially they were only planning to get about 7-8 max a year at delivery peak.
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:04 pm

res77W wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Delta A330-900 MSN 1915 out of the hangar:

https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1087333496232779778


Nice to see an A330 with appropriately sized titles. The 333s look silly with tiny titles, wasn’t it something to do with the 332s and the sizing between the doors?

-Rowen

Any idea when 1915 will receive its engines?
 
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Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:05 pm

If the rate is going down to 3.5 a month later this year, suppliers must have had notice for some time, so I am very surprised this has not leaked earlier. Other possibilities:

1 they are slowing 242t frame production because customers have asked to defer till the 251t frames come off the line in 2020

2 there is rumour confusion between A330 slowdown and A380 slowdown - the numbers look quite similar
 
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:02 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
What about Kuwait Airways? According to Wikipedia (I know...) they are receiving their first A338 in March 2019. Any news/update on that front?


First A330Neo for Kuwait is supposed to be delivered in October and first A350 sometime early 2020.

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