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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:44 pm

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First flight coming soon


No. Even Boeing said 2020 today

https://leehamnews.com/2019/10/23/boein ... more-31443

The GE9X engines are the pacing items for the 777X to begin flight testing, which Muilenburg now sees as early 2020, a further slip from 2019’s schedule.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:59 pm

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VV wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Some they sources that flight will happen in week of 9 or 16 Dec.

We shall see the if it happens. Any update on the cargo door blow-out?


The cargo door is doing alright and is recovering at the hospital.


Genuine LOL...

I don't know about this. It's been a while since the incident, shouldn't the door be in a rehab hospital or at home recuperating and rehabbing?
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:04 pm

Will the Antonov deliver all the Genx engines for the 777X program moving forward?
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:05 pm

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Will the Antonov deliver all the Genx engines for the 777X program moving forward?


I guess it depends on whether or not the fan of a GE9X will fit in a 747 freighter.
 
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Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:35 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
SomebodyInTLS wrote:
VV wrote:

The cargo door is doing alright and is recovering at the hospital.


Genuine LOL...

I don't know about this. It's been a while since the incident, shouldn't the door be in a rehab hospital or at home recuperating and rehabbing?


Depends... What if it has latchkey syndrome? That is a possibility given that it was reported that it was the latch that failed. ;)

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:10 am

Stitch wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
Will the Antonov deliver all the Genx engines for the 777X program moving forward?


I guess it depends on whether or not the fan of a GE9X will fit in a 747 freighter.


It fits in a 777F, detachted though. But I don't see why it shouldn't fit in a 747F.
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:15 am

Has anyone seen photos of the test aircraft that blew out the cargo door?
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:40 pm

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Has anyone seen photos of the test aircraft that blew out the cargo door?


Why would the Boeing publish them? Sheesh. It's private.
 
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:05 pm

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Fxsrider wrote:
Has anyone seen photos of the test aircraft that blew out the cargo door?


Why would the Boeing publish them? Sheesh. It's private.


Absolutely.

People take Boeing for a masochist to expose their problems to the public and (especially) not the media. For a bit people will even want Boeing to offer them popcorn!
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:09 pm

GE9Xs are being delivered to Boeing

https://aviationweek.com/commercial-avi ... oeing-777x

Behind a paywall, but the title says enough
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:26 pm

The first flight compliant GE9X engine has been delivered by General Electric to Boeing, marking the restart of preparations for the start of 777-9 flight tests.

The engine, which is believed to have arrived at Boeing’s Everett facility by Antonov An-124 freighter on Oct 18, incorporates improvements to fix durability problems that were unearthed late in the test program this summer. The issue, which centered on the stator vanes in the compressor, forced Boeing to delay the start of flight tests of the 777-9 from July 2019 to early 2020.

A second compliant engine is expected to arrive at Everett by the end of October, according to sources close to the program. Neither GE or Boeing were able to comment on the engine shipments which, if confirmed, set the clock ticking for the start of the flight test program. The improved GE9Xs represent the first pair of 10 compliant engines required for the test effort which will involve five 777-9s.

Aviation Week understands that Boeing engineers plan to install the engines on the first test airframe, WH001, with the intent of powering up the aircraft by around mid-November. While in previous development programs this would have enabled first flight to occur within two months it remains uncertain as to whether the initial flight could be achieved by year-end 2019 under the current circumstances. Boeing has continued to complete ground tests of the first two test aircraft while GE validated the improvements, but engineering resources have been depleted while the company wrestles with the continuing crisis consuming the 737 MAX program.

Boeing’s president and CEO Dennis Muilenburg candidly admitted in July that the additional hold ups to the start of flight tests will more than likely push first 777-9 deliveries to launch customers Emirates and Lufthansa into 2021. “While we continue to target 2020 for first delivery of the 777-9, the engine issue is adding significant risk to the schedule. We continue to work closely with GE as well as explore opportunities to improve the schedule, such as leveraging our system integration labs and additional airplane ground testing as we strive to meet this delivery target,” Muilenburg said at the time.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:41 pm

jagraham wrote:
GE9Xs are being delivered to Boeing

https://aviationweek.com/commercial-avi ... oeing-777x

Behind a paywall, but the title says enough

Thanks for the link. I was able to read the entire article and I don't have a paid subscription, however I am registered.

Highlights:

    GE delivered the first engine October 18 on an Antonov An-124 freighter.
    A second compliant engine is expected to arrive at Everett by the end of October.
    Installation and power up by around mid-November.
    It remains uncertain as to whether the initial flight could be achieved by year-end 2019, more likely early 2020.

https://aviationweek.com/commercial-avi ... oeing-777x
 
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:12 pm

This article was posted a page ago by VV
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:30 am

Engines now on site and began preparation for installation https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/11 ... 32224?s=19

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:02 am

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Engines now on site and began preparation for installation https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/11 ... 32224?s=19

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Our first pictorial evidence. Nice! I am expecting power up in November as the article stated. First flight, I’ll wait and see
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm

Another application for GE9X engine movements with the AN-124 from October 28th to November 26th 2019


https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1187 ... 60128?s=21
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Love the look of the 777...quite agressive & majestic.

Do the cockpit windows share any with the MD11??
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 pm

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Love the look of the 777...quite agressive & majestic.

Do the cockpit windows share any with the MD11??


They share with the 767!

I love the look of the 777 too!
And I can not wait the first flight and test program anymore
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:47 pm

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Has anyone seen photos of the test aircraft that blew out the cargo door?


Yes. You can’t tell much from the supporting jig for the stress test. When I saw it they were dismantling it ~18th October.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:14 pm

WH001 has been moved back into stall 213 for engine installation. As you can see one of the redesigned engines is sitting on the tarmac waiting for installation

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/11 ... 39712?s=21
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:51 pm

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:42 pm

I know what has been said but I think there is a real shot first flight happens before the end of the year.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:17 pm

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https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1190369636270739456

engines are back on wh001


Do you see 2 engines in those pictures?
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:05 am

Are there any photos on real websites that show the X with engines on?

I refuse to click on social media sites like twitter.
Bet it looks niiiiicccee!
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:37 pm

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Are there any photos on real websites that show the X with engines on?

I refuse to click on social media sites like twitter.
Bet it looks niiiiicccee!

I think your comment about Twitter not being a real web site became false once the US President chose it as one of his primary communication methods.

But the point that Matt's pictures only show one engine still stands, we do not have a picture of both sides of the aircraft.
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:15 pm

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Are there any photos on real websites that show the X with engines on?

I refuse to click on social media sites like twitter.
Bet it looks niiiiicccee!


http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/11/paine- ... ber-1.html
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:24 pm

SFOtoORD wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
Are there any photos on real websites that show the X with engines on?

I refuse to click on social media sites like twitter.
Bet it looks niiiiicccee!


http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/11/paine- ... ber-1.html


That clearly says to the picture: GE9X engine installation on 777-9 WH001. The second engine is not yet on the flightline.

so one engine only is fitted as it is.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:51 pm

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enzo011 wrote:
Is there anything to be gained trying to do all of the certification and test flights done in a record time when lessons should be learned? I don't know of any program in the past 2 decades, new or new engine, that has taken less than a year to complete all of the required tests and flights so why should Boeing try to do this when there is the same pressure on the program that the 737MAX faced and items could potentially be missed as well?

Clearly 777x will get lots of scrutiny as the next major certification effort, and that's a good thing.

It's also a good thing to let the flight testers do their job without undo pressure.

We should keep in mind that there are a lot of certification efforts that you can do without flying the airplane so progress is being made as the plane is grounded, and even before grounding some initial taxi testing was conducted which should at least de-risk the future taxi testing.

From the Max grounding thread, Boeing have discounted malfunction rates. Presumably the FAA, EASA and others are asking Boeing to identify if discounting has been applied to the 777X (and perhaps even other mature models too).

Absence of post-delivery funding market activity for early 777X customers suggests either funded in-house by LH and EK (unusual even if sale leaseback planned), or Boeing Capital is funding (material unless a very low delivery rate or does Boeing apply discounting to safety and financial reporting?), or April 2021 isn't THE date.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:21 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
Are there any photos on real websites that show the X with engines on?

I refuse to click on social media sites like twitter.
Bet it looks niiiiicccee!


http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/11/paine- ... ber-1.html


That clearly says to the picture: GE9X engine installation on 777-9 WH001. The second engine is not yet on the flightline.

so one engine only is fitted as it is.


Is it what is meant by "One engine out"?
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:00 pm

Question, it seems no airline has yet chosen the 8-door option, all built frames have the 8+2 auxiliary emergency exits in the rear. I would think certainly in LH case, their cabin density would not warrant the extra doors? Or is it to give them more flexibility down the line?
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:10 pm

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Question, it seems no airline has yet chosen the 8-door option, all built frames have the 8+2 auxiliary emergency exits in the rear. I would think certainly in LH case, their cabin density would not warrant the extra doors? Or is it to give them more flexibility down the line?

Maybe the extra exits just get plugged prior to delivery instead of fitting proper doors? Perhaps Boeing want all identical initial aircraft for testing purposes.
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm

https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1191 ... 12646?s=21

Uh oh. A GE9X has to go back to GE for rework. Probably the second engine that hasn’t been installed yet
 
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Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:41 pm

Or maybe one of the other engines after the first 2 were reworked.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:51 am

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Or maybe one of the other engines after the first 2 were reworked.



Nope all engines were shipped back right away... this ain't looking to good..
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:43 am

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https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1191852573126512646?s=21

Uh oh. A GE9X has to go back to GE for rework. Probably the second engine that hasn’t been installed yet


Ah, that's where I left the missing wrench :duck:
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:01 am

Question - maybe I haven’t seen it but it is my understanding that so far there is no 777X-production-thread: so, how many production airframes have already been produced?
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:12 am

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Question - maybe I haven’t seen it but it is my understanding that so far there is no 777X-production-thread: so, how many production airframes have already been produced?


I believe 6 have been produced so far:

l/n 1567 N779XW
l/n 1574 N779XX
l/n 1581 N779XY
l/n 1587 N779XZ
l/n 1605 Originally destined for EK but EK painted wing-tips removed?
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:22 am

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/1191852573126512646?s=21

Uh oh. A GE9X has to go back to GE for rework. Probably the second engine that hasn’t been installed yet


It is interesting they need to send it back.

Either there are some test instrument or probe missing or it is a rework that absolutely needs to be done at the factory.

If it was a minor stuff it could have been done in Seattle.

If indeed there is a rework then there could be extra delay because it is possible each flight test engine is equipped with specific instruments for the specific flight test that will be performed by a specific flight test article.

I mean the engines can not be easily swapped around.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:55 am

How is the door blow out investigation progressing?

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Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:12 am

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How is the door blow out investigation progressing?

http://www.paineairport.com/images/kpae17693wn.png


I heard it has been closed.
Perhaps it was not the right information, but that's what I heard.

My understanding is that it was a solution, by analysis just like Airbus did on the A380 when the wing failed at one hundred forty something percent of the limit load when it should have been at 150%.

We almost forget about the door, but it was not a big deal.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:01 pm

VV wrote:
keesje wrote:
How is the door blow out investigation progressing?

http://www.paineairport.com/images/kpae17693wn.png


I heard it has been closed.
Perhaps it was not the right information, but that's what I heard.

My understanding is that it was a solution, by analysis just like Airbus did on the A380 when the wing failed at one hundred forty something percent of the limit load when it should have been at 150%.

We almost forget about the door, but it was not a big deal.


Thank you. I can't find any credible source after the event. Just hopes and expectations. I assume you have better sources.
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:18 pm

Calm down, girls.

I think the pattern we see (Boeing not discussing the door issue, Boeing not announcing MCAS fix turned over to FAA, Boeing not announcing FAA test flights for MAX) shows that Boeing is not going to be as forthcoming as it has been in the past with regard to providing updates, which is a shame for us av-geeks. It seems the main avenue for information release is now the quarterly earnings calls where the executives must provide feed back to investors.
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:00 pm

This is how they will force everything down to the rumors and hearsay level. That won't stop any bad news.
The smart way would be to return to detailed reliable information. This is how to restore trust.
 
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Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:50 pm

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This is how they will force everything down to the rumors and hearsay level. That won't stop any bad news.
The smart way would be to return to detailed reliable information. This is how to restore trust.


Not exactly. Right now Boeing is under a criminal investigation regarding the 737Max MCAS design and certification issue (and anything else the investigators "dig up"). Companies and people often go very silent during those times as the slightest misstatement can easily result in a criminal charge (regardless of what part of the company or project it applies too).

Once the criminal investigation is closed (with or without charges) you will see a return towards more disclosure; and I would expect a level typical of the past. I would also expect that press releases and information to be provided at conferences to be formally scrubbed by an upper manager or legal prior to release. That is not untypical of many industries as I had to get all of my conference presentations screened and approved by management - -and in one case Legal - for the last decade or so.

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:01 pm

I hope you are right. Boeing has become so quiet over the years. Too quiet for my taste. There is a lot going on aside from the MAX that would be easy to share.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:24 pm

scbriml wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Question - maybe I haven’t seen it but it is my understanding that so far there is no 777X-production-thread: so, how many production airframes have already been produced?


I believe 6 have been produced so far:

l/n 1567 N779XW
l/n 1574 N779XX
l/n 1581 N779XY
l/n 1587 N779XZ
l/n 1605 Originally destined for EK but EK painted wing-tips removed?
l/n 1611 Originally destined for EK but EK painted wing-tips removed?

Thanks very much for the information.

Is this somewhere in line with the planned production rate at this stage? I somehow thought they would produce a lot more production airframes already now but I might be wrong.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:44 pm

Noshow wrote:
This is how they will force everything down to the rumors and hearsay level. That won't stop any bad news.
The smart way would be to return to detailed reliable information. This is how to restore trust.


There is an unfounded belief that people in general and aficionados in particular are entitled to know everything that goes on within a company. that's BS. A company has to protect manufacturing process and procedures, sales campaigns, proprietary rights, and information that if mis understood or taken out of context would injure shareholders. Boeing is frequently beset by outsider lawsuits based on rumor and hearsay.

there is no public entitlement to see everything or anything outside official releases. and when legal gets through vetting any releases, there is little substance left and a lot of meaningless boiler plate and old history. that's the way it is.
 
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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:24 pm

You know Boeing had a very low key rollout of the 777X in light of the MAX debacle.

I'm wondering if we'll see a repeat of that plan with 1st flight?

Hoping they stream it on their FB page
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:27 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
You know Boeing had a very low key rollout of the 777X in light of the MAX debacle. I'm wondering if we'll see a repeat of that plan with 1st flight?


Rollouts has lost it's luster after the 787 rollout fiasco.

First flight is still a point of pride and should be shared with the world.

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Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:28 pm

That was my point. If they prefer to share nothing anymore they and we miss the good parts as well.

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