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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:11 pm

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Any chance that these aircarft can be given away to African countries, desperately in need of aircraft for intra-African use? Seems such a waste to scrap them already

With scrap and parts values in the millions, some of these a/c's needing major maintenance and checks, tax write offs, it is financially better to do so than than sell to some small airline. Airliners and leasing companies are not charities.

One thing I find interesting is that some of the oldest and 1st Gen 777's are still in service but later 1st Gens and earlier 2nd Gens are going to the scrapper.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:25 pm

ltbewr wrote:
One thing I find interesting is that some of the oldest and 1st Gen 777's are still in service but later 1st Gens and earlier 2nd Gens are going to the scrapper.


We all know the older 77A's have little resale value, so they might as well be flown until the frame is done (Think UA). Older 77E's (such as BA's) also fall under this case. Other airlines have a lot of 787's and A350's on the way in, so there is little need to keep flying the older, more inefficient 77A/77E/773 models.

It might also be the case that the airlines replacing their 77E's prefer to keep a young and modern fleet....
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:41 pm

AlexA340B777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
A6-EBF, A6-EBH and A6-ECB will shortly leave the EK fleet for Royal Flight soon.

I addition, A6-EBX and EBZ will also go down to Nordwind Airlines soon too.


EKs A6-EBZ has not flown since February 12th... seems that frame is leaving the fleet soon.

Spot on, yes the frame will exit the EK fleet and finish final preps before being delivered to Azur Air.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:04 pm

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:04 am

N774AM (28689/365), which last flew for Aeromexico, was shredded last month at GYR. VP-BLA (28676/246) is now without engines at GYR and soon to meet the same fate.

As for EC-MIA, now 2-AERC (28685/400), are there any penalties being enforced against P6 because of the condition of the aircraft when they handed the plane back to AerCap, since PS found the aircraft unusuable and didn't take up the plane? I'm not sure from where another PW-powered frame can be sourced until OZ starts retiring older frames again. (However, the remaining 9 B77Es operated by OZ of what was a 13-strong fleet are owned by them---2 that had been sold and leased back are with PS, a third was rejected, and the other one crashed at SFO).
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:59 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
AlexA340B777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
I addition, A6-EBX and EBZ will also go down to Nordwind Airlines soon too.


EKs A6-EBZ has not flown since February 12th... seems that frame is leaving the fleet soon.

Spot on, yes the frame will exit the EK fleet and finish final preps before being delivered to Azur Air.

Did you spotted it or is it others? I heard Azur is taking these.
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Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:03 pm

AlexA340B777 wrote:
SQ789 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
A6-EBF, A6-EBH and A6-ECB will shortly leave the EK fleet for Royal Flight soon.

I addition, A6-EBX and EBZ will also go down to Nordwind Airlines soon too.


EKs A6-EBZ has not flown since February 12th... seems that frame is leaving the fleet soon.

That's right. EBZ is also leaving for Azur. 5 77W retirement for 2019 is listed below.

A6-EBF - Royal Flight in Q4 2019
A6-EBH - Royal Flight in Q4 2019
A6-EBX - Azur Air in Q2 2019
A6-EBZ - Azur Air in Q2 2019
A6-ECB - Royal Flight in 2019
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:53 pm

Plus, did I also heard on the other thread that the first EK 777F will also be retired this year? Based on the thread below. EFD was confirmed to leave fleet.

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:17 am

A another Boeing 777-200 is going to the boneyard
Boeing 777-281 81 JA703A ANA All Nippon ferried 11-12mar19 HND-ANC-SBD, for part-out & scrap.
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:09 pm

And there goes another one.

Aircraft Type: Boeing 777-200LR
LN: 621
First Flight Date: July 19th, 2007
Age: 11 Years
Engines: (x2) General Electric GE90-115B1L
Airline: Etihad

This plane is flying from TEV-SNB as we speak. Looks to be a transfer over to the other boneyard.
(Link to FlightAware)
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:35 pm

Currently I count between 130-140 Triple Sevens either scrapped, sold for scrap, permanently wfu, crashed, in storage for years or otherwise retired with a high chance never to fly again.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:54 am

Thai's HS-TJA soldiers on...
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:34 am

DENTK wrote:
Thai's HS-TJA soldiers on...

She is in dire need a new coat of paint.......
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:56 am

DENTK wrote:
Thai's HS-TJA soldiers on...

And on the topic of TG 772As, HS-TJD returned into service, which is odd considering they didn't write it off after it suffered an exploding tire in DAC last year.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:02 am

An "exploding tire" is not a reason to write off an airplane...
She probably got a new seat of gear and fresh tires, no big deal.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:09 am

juliuswong wrote:
DENTK wrote:
Thai's HS-TJA soldiers on...

She is in dire need a new coat of paint.......


Very unlikely so short of permanent retirement.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:48 pm

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:50 pm

How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:52 pm

Charlie757 wrote:
How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?

One factor may be the high cost of Honeywell AIMS1 support, which is now negotiated on a one to one basis.

Even though AIMS2 was released in 2003, many ER customers continued to specify AIMS1 beyond 2003, for commonality reasons.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:54 pm

Charlie757 wrote:
How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?


Some may be closing on on a Heavy Maintenance check and therefore the expense is not worth it. Some frames might also have the smaller rear cargo door (SQ had a number of these) that cannot take pallets, only ULDs.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:31 pm

Stitch wrote:
Charlie757 wrote:
How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?


Some may be closing on on a Heavy Maintenance check and therefore the expense is not worth it. Some frames might also have the smaller rear cargo door (SQ had a number of these) that cannot take pallets, only ULDs.

Charlie77, Yes, new gen of widebodies can perform what B772/ER does at fraction of the cost hence the retirement. Also, the A330 has improved significantly in terms of spec and operating cost over the years, pushing B772/ER into oblivion.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:46 pm

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TropicalSky wrote:
I'm sorta surprised that these 777LR couldn't find other operators.....I mean even Delta surprised me by not shaking the tree to see what conditions these Eithad birds were in,given how tight they've (DAL) been on widebodies


Same here. I was hoping DL would pick them up - but they certainly have a reason they didn't, just don't know what it is.

could it be their condition or Configuration? Or? the Price asked for them? Let's face it. There's no way in Heck Delta would give them Top Dollar.
They have to make it REAL , or ? Scrap them!
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:48 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
DENTK wrote:
Thai's HS-TJA soldiers on...

And on the topic of TG 772As, HS-TJD returned into service, which is odd considering they didn't write it off after it suffered an exploding tire in DAC last year.

Why would they scrap an airplane like that for a Tire Burst? Was the Damage that Bad?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:44 pm

I wonder if the 787 RR engine problem drags on or gets worse will some carriers pick up some used 777.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:46 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
I'm sorta surprised that these 777LR couldn't find other operators.....I mean even Delta surprised me by not shaking the tree to see what conditions these Eithad birds were in,given how tight they've (DAL) been on widebodies


Same here. I was hoping DL would pick them up - but they certainly have a reason they didn't, just don't know what it is.

could it be their condition or Configuration? Or? the Price asked for them? Let's face it. There's no way in Heck Delta would give them Top Dollar.
They have to make it REAL , or ? Scrap them!



That’s a shame that an LR is going to be scrapped they are only around 10 years old. Must be some shoddy MX.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:49 pm

DL757NYC wrote:
That’s a shame that an LR is going to be scrapped they are only around 10 years old. Must be some shoddy MX.


More likely that nobody needs the capability and therefore do not want to pay whatever the current owner wanted. Plenty of 777-300ERs in the world that need parts so the plane could very well be worth more as spares.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:04 am

Another Etihad 77L ferrying from Teruel to San Bernardino. Not sure of the registration.


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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:38 am

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

A6-LRD has been sent on its way to the scrapyard.

 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:46 am

DL757NYC wrote:

That’s a shame that an LR is going to be scrapped they are only around 10 years old. Must be some shoddy MX.


These are Ex-Air India planes, so shoddy MX is indeed a possibilty. Shame though.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:34 am

Ronaldo747 wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:

That’s a shame that an LR is going to be scrapped they are only around 10 years old. Must be some shoddy MX.


These are Ex-Air India planes, so shoddy MX is indeed a possibilty. Shame though.

Honestly, apart from these AI birds and the Crystal 77L, has there been any other 77Ls that changed hands at all? I can't think of any.

This may partially be the reason - second hand market doesn't exist and the planes might be worth more being in parts, since there's such a big fleet of 772LRs and 773ERs worldwide.

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:57 am

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This may partially be the reason - second hand market doesn't exist and the planes might be worth more being in parts, since there's such a big fleet of 772LRs and 773ERs worldwide.
Michael


Exactly, there is basically no second hand market for the 77L, just as there is none for its older competitor, the A345. The masses of 77Ws however need spares as the oldest have passed 15 years of service.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:45 pm

Even if the speculation that Air India did not take care of their 777-200LRs is true, once they went to Etihad one would think they took care of them. Or is the assumption that because Etihad is experiencing financial difficulties, they too don't maintain their frames beyond the minimum to keep them airworthy?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri May 10, 2019 4:36 am

smartplane wrote:
Charlie757 wrote:
How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?

One factor may be the high cost of Honeywell AIMS1 support, which is now negotiated on a one to one basis.

Even though AIMS2 was released in 2003, many ER customers continued to specify AIMS1 beyond 2003, for commonality reasons.

Can you name some if not all of the carriers that specified AIMS-1 for 777-200 777-200ER and 777-300 after AIMS-2? Did it include Malaysia, Singapore, ANA, JAL and Cathay?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:40 pm

Emirates A6-ECB left DXB on 3rd July.

It was the last of the oldest group of EKs 2-class 77Ws.

There are still plenty of old 77Ws left in their fleet. Almost all of them are 3-class ones, on lease from GECAS. I wonder how much time is left, the oldest was delivered in March 2005.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:10 pm

B747fanReal wrote:
smartplane wrote:
Charlie757 wrote:
How come some airlines are retiring the 777-200ER so early on? It’s relatively efficient with good range and capacity? Is it simply because planes like the A350 and 787 are cheaper to operate?

One factor may be the high cost of Honeywell AIMS1 support, which is now negotiated on a one to one basis.

Even though AIMS2 was released in 2003, many ER customers continued to specify AIMS1 beyond 2003, for commonality reasons.

Can you name some if not all of the carriers that specified AIMS-1 for 777-200 777-200ER and 777-300 after AIMS-2? Did it include Malaysia, Singapore, ANA, JAL and Cathay?

AIMS-2 was offered on a staggered basis, initially only for the 200ER. Airlines with partly delivered 200ER orders were given the option of switching to AIMS-2 or continuing / completing deliveries with AIMS-1. The same applied to other versions.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 pm

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Emirates A6-ECB left DXB on 3rd July.

It was the last of the oldest group of EKs 2-class 77Ws.

There are still plenty of old 77Ws left in their fleet. Almost all of them are 3-class ones, on lease from GECAS. I wonder how much time is left, the oldest was delivered in March 2005.

Presumably leases are rolling for 1 or 2 year terms, or perhaps EK have secured on demand / PBTH-style leases.

When you get to this age group, often an additional inducement to extend, apart from lower lease costs, are discounted end of lease terms.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:24 am

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EK7777 wrote:
Emirates A6-ECB left DXB on 3rd July.

It was the last of the oldest group of EKs 2-class 77Ws.

There are still plenty of old 77Ws left in their fleet. Almost all of them are 3-class ones, on lease from GECAS. I wonder how much time is left, the oldest was delivered in March 2005.

Presumably leases are rolling for 1 or 2 year terms, or perhaps EK have secured on demand / PBTH-style leases.

When you get to this age group, often an additional inducement to extend, apart from lower lease costs, are discounted end of lease terms.

How times have changed. Before it was why does EK return aircraft at 12 years. Now it is how are they keeping them to 14? ;)

Are PBTH leases becoming more common? I assume a discounted monthly fee paired with a per cycle and per hour fee?

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:50 pm

I was at Kemble today

JCB’s hard at work on A6-LRC.

The forward fuselage was in one piece and they were ‘playing’ with what looked like the wings.

The rest was already gone.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:01 pm

lightsaber wrote:
smartplane wrote:
EK7777 wrote:
Emirates A6-ECB left DXB on 3rd July.

It was the last of the oldest group of EKs 2-class 77Ws.

There are still plenty of old 77Ws left in their fleet. Almost all of them are 3-class ones, on lease from GECAS. I wonder how much time is left, the oldest was delivered in March 2005.

Presumably leases are rolling for 1 or 2 year terms, or perhaps EK have secured on demand / PBTH-style leases.

When you get to this age group, often an additional inducement to extend, apart from lower lease costs, are discounted end of lease terms.

How times have changed. Before it was why does EK return aircraft at 12 years. Now it is how are they keeping them to 14? ;)

Are PBTH leases becoming more common? I assume a discounted monthly fee paired with a per cycle and per hour fee?

Lessors and lessees are becoming more creative. EK Group have the inside running because they have space to store, maintain and perform EOL and start of lease (SOL) work, and importantly, the credit rating.

As a lessor, would you rather incur storage fees while seeking a buyer or new lessee for your 777 or A380, or free storage, have the aircraft maintained and flown (sporadically), ready for almost instant demo to prospects, AND derive some income?

Many of the remaining A340's in service are on PBTH, and two ex-SQ A380's, though one isn't active at present.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:42 am

Ex-Air China 777-2J6 B-2068 has escaped the scrapper (at least for a little while), having been purchased by Boeing for use as a eco-demonstrator.

 
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:55 am

Any idea what it'll be demonstrating?
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:46 pm

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Any idea what it'll be demonstrating?


https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-07-01 ... g-test-bed
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:33 pm

ex-Emirates Boeing 777-300 (A6-EMX) was ferried from DXB - XMN today as EK2518.

It will start a new life as B-HNX with Cathay Pacific.

This was the last non-ER B777-300 in EKs fleet.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:01 pm

There have been very few 777 retirements so far this year, less than in recent years. Older 777s from JAL, ANA, Thai and Korean should be due to be parked in the desert though soon. Quite odd that SV is still operating three 77Es, two years after the majority of the fleet has been retired.
 
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Etihad B777-200LR sent to scrapper

Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:33 am

Hey all,

It appears that a former Air India and Etihad B777-200LR was sent to the scrapper yesterday. The aircraft flew from TEV to San Bernadino, in California:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ey9809

I couldn't find any other information, but it seems as if it had been in storage for a while. Could they not find a new owner? Current owner is listed as Altavair AirFinance.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/NB41UqY6

Seems like a plane with not many cycles like this shouldn't be sent to the scrapper...
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Re: Etihad B777-200LR sent to scrapper

Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:00 am

Image

Well, it was owned by Air India! VT-ALH sat like this for 4 years at BOM, while being cannibalized for spare parts to support the rest of the AI B77L fleet.
 
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Re: Etihad B777-200LR sent to scrapper

Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:19 am

rjmf22 wrote:
Seems like a plane with not many cycles like this shouldn't be sent to the scrapper...

There's not much demand for a 772 frame, much less the heaviest version thereof.

The 787 and A350 can essentially match it on range, weigh far less, sip far less, and aren't lacking on payload uplift for anything but the most ridiculously long routes... where cargo isn't likely going to be a significant factor in the first place.

Ergo, it's worth more as parts.





......and no, despite reflexive A.net lore: no, they couldn't have "just gone to DL"
DL has essentially nil interest in operating used widebodies, and haven't since the early '90s and then the early '70s before that.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Etihad B777-200LR sent to scrapper

Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:30 am

Wish they sent it to air India so they could launch DFW or iah like they said they would.Then again they did get a new CEO after the announcement…
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:04 am

Planes4you wrote:
Wish they sent it to air India so they could launch DFW or iah like they said they would.Then again they did get a new CEO after the announcement…
Air India already had a go at it.

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