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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:11 am

Any news on TG's 77A fleet?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:17 am

TheEuphorian wrote:
Any news on TG's 77A fleet?

HS-TJA, TJB, TJD, TJG, TJH are all still flying.
HS-TJC seems to be stored at DMK since last month (maintenance?).
They have certainly paid for themselves many times over.

 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:04 am

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

ln.698, 777-200LR A6-LRE has been ferried to the scrappers. Its a shame, its just 11 years old and has been in service for less than 10 years.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:05 pm

KFTG wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
Any news on TG's 77A fleet?

HS-TJA, TJB, TJD, TJG, TJH are all still flying.
HS-TJC seems to be stored at DMK since last month (maintenance?).
They have certainly paid for themselves many times over.



I flew on HS-TJB last month CNX - BKK and it was showing it's age.... but am happy I managed to experience one of the TG 772's before they go...
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:41 pm

Fiend wrote:
KFTG wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
Any news on TG's 77A fleet?

HS-TJA, TJB, TJD, TJG, TJH are all still flying.
HS-TJC seems to be stored at DMK since last month (maintenance?).
They have certainly paid for themselves many times over.



I flew on HS-TJB last month CNX - BKK and it was showing it's age.... but am happy I managed to experience one of the TG 772's before they go...

On an AvGeek perspective, it is nice to see rare aircraft to be flown around normally and not on an adhoc basis.
But, on an business perspective, TG's 77A fleet is so old that they need to be replaced ASAP.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:07 pm

Latest movements (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 777-212 28524 350 EC-MUA Privilege Style ferried 27 July 2019 MIA-VCV for engine change** during wet-lease to Norwegian, ex N593BC
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:23 am

The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:37 am

EC-MUA is back in service with DI on the LGW-MIA run as before it's VCV engine change.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:50 am

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

A former Saudia 777 has been ferried to the US to be "scrapped" in the fastest way ever by the US Army.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:55 am

KFTG wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:
Any news on TG's 77A fleet?

HS-TJA, TJB, TJD, TJG, TJH are all still flying.
HS-TJC seems to be stored at DMK since last month (maintenance?).
They have certainly paid for themselves many times over.



HS-TJC is flying again, but TJD is grounded since July.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:48 pm

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

Air NZ has returned a 77E to Boeing which was on short lease.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:04 pm

na wrote:
The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.

Who was the original customer for B-HNL? Was it UA? I know they were the launch customer and received the first one delivered, but that was not the prototype. Or was it CX?
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:14 pm

SEPilot wrote:
na wrote:
The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.

Who was the original customer for B-HNL? Was it UA? I know they were the launch customer and received the first one delivered, but that was not the prototype. Or was it CX?


United got the first customer delivery.

N7771 remained with Boeing until June 2000 when it was re-registered and transferred over to CX as B-HNL.

If you haven't seen it Airfleets.net is an amazing resource for the history of fleets/registrations etc.

na wrote:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

ln.698, 777-200LR A6-LRE has been ferried to the scrappers. Its a shame, its just 11 years old and has been in service for less than 10 years.


I'm amazed that a home couldn't be found for this...with ULH on the rise you'd think someone already operating the type would be interested.

Not knowing much about the 77L is there a reason a 77E/77W operator wouldn't want to pick one of these up, other than the GE engines?
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:15 pm

SEPilot wrote:
na wrote:
The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.

Who was the original customer for B-HNL? Was it UA? I know they were the launch customer and received the first one delivered, but that was not the prototype. Or was it CX?


I think it wasn´t destined to be sold from the beginning. It had PW engines first, which were exchanged with R-R Trents when CX bought it.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:16 pm

SEPilot wrote:
na wrote:
The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.

Who was the original customer for B-HNL? Was it UA? I know they were the launch customer and received the first one delivered, but that was not the prototype. Or was it CX?

Correct me if I'm wrong. It was Boeing property since its beginning and they would have kept it for future improvement test bed. However in late 90s or early 2000s, CX needed immediate capacity increase and Boeing could not produce B777 fast enough then, hence Boeing offered its prototype, re-engined from PW to RR and delivered to CX. I read this somewhere, need to dig it out again.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:28 pm

fbgdavidson wrote:

na wrote:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

ln.698, 777-200LR A6-LRE has been ferried to the scrappers. Its a shame, its just 11 years old and has been in service for less than 10 years.


I'm amazed that a home couldn't be found for this...with ULH on the rise you'd think someone already operating the type would be interested.

Not knowing much about the 77L is there a reason a 77E/77W operator wouldn't want to pick one of these up, other than the GE engines?


Lots of parts in common with the 773ER, 772F. Engines many times are leased separate from the airframe so might not be included. I've heard that over 5000nm, the 772LR is more economical than the 772ER on an identical route, but not many operators are willing to take that option.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:05 pm

fbgdavidson wrote:
Not knowing much about the 77L is there a reason a 77E/77W operator wouldn't want to pick one of these up, other than the GE engines?


Demand for -200 sized passenger 777s has fallen off a cliff. No one wants them on the used market and Boeing hasn't built a new build pax -200LR since 2014.

The -LR is yesterday's technology. The 787 and the A350 just perform this mission better and the -300ER is a much more capable aircraft. The ULH routes never really materialized as much as Boeing thought they would either.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:57 pm

How come certain -200ER/LR aircraft are being scrapped so young. With some examples being around 10-15 years old?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 pm

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How come certain -200ER/LR aircraft are being scrapped so young. With some examples being around 10-15 years old?


If they are being scrapped that young, its because they are less efficient than aircraft replacing them at an airline. Also, some 777s have a small cargo door which won't allow container loading which further reduces their utility. With aggressive pricing on 787/350s and comparing the fuel and maintenance costs to a used 777, the bean counters are beginning to go with new.

Add in for the US airlines that changes in tax rules further favor new aircraft purchases.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:25 pm

juliuswong wrote:
SEPilot wrote:
na wrote:
The four oldest CX 777s have now been permanently wfu with B-HNL (the 777 prototype) going to be a museum exhibit, B-HNA ferried for scrap, B-HNB destined for destruction tests in the USA and B-HNC stored awaiting its fate. The fifth (and last) 772 is still active.

Who was the original customer for B-HNL? Was it UA? I know they were the launch customer and received the first one delivered, but that was not the prototype. Or was it CX?

Correct me if I'm wrong. It was Boeing property since its beginning and they would have kept it for future improvement test bed. However in late 90s or early 2000s, CX needed immediate capacity increase and Boeing could not produce B777 fast enough then, hence Boeing offered its prototype, re-engined from PW to RR and delivered to CX. I read this somewhere, need to dig it out again.

As far as I know it was intended to be delivered to United after the flight testing was finished but Cathay needed one immediately and hence it got delivered to Cathay as B-HNL


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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:38 pm

Another CX B772 retirement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 777-267 27264 31 B-HND Cathay Pacific ferried 25 Oct 2019 XMN-HKG-MZJ, for part-out & scrap.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:08 pm

A list of 10 recent or so far unreported 777 retirements:

77E SU-GBR &
77E SU-GBS Egyptair, both (permanently) retired in 2018
77E HZ-AKV &
77E HZ-AKW (Saudia has apparently retired its last two 77Es last month)
77E 9V-SRO (another Singapore 777 lease return a few weeks ago)
77E 9M-FGA &
77E 9M-FGA (both Fly Global 77Es are stored since summer 2018)
773 9M-FSM &
773 9M-FSM (both FlyGlobal 773s have seen no service since the beginning of 2019)

Questions surround
77E Med-View 5N-BVY (leased last year, but seems it has not flown this year)

All in all I count almost 150 777s which are either scrapped, written off, permanently retired or in various stages of storage or undergoing part-out.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:19 pm

na wrote:
773 9M-FSM &
773 9M-FSM (both FlyGlobal 773s have seen no service since the beginning of 2019)


I saw both of them in Subang this summer. Didn't look like they had moved for a long while, but at least intact.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:37 pm

na wrote:
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

A former Saudia 777 has been ferried to the US to be "scrapped" in the fastest way ever by the US Army.


I have to wonder why DHS hasn't sought to acquire a B733, B736, or maybe even one of the terrible teen B788s (from Air Austral, which will soon be parking them) for that purpose as well, in addition to the former HZ-AKF, especially the B788 on a composite fuselage.

As for the wide-body glut, I see virtually no market remaining for a Boeing 777-200-sized frame anymore.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:38 pm

What c/s were they in, I saw two white ones with 2- reg there recently.
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 pm

What c/s were they in, I saw two white ones with 2- reg there recently.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 pm

What c/s were they in, I saw two white ones with 2- reg there recently.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:19 pm

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What c/s were they in, I saw two white ones with 2- reg there recently.


All white with big streaks of dirt all over.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:21 pm

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As for the wide-body glut, I see virtually no market remaining for a Boeing 777-200-sized frame anymore.


Obviously true, the number of retired 77Es which could be placed placed with secondhand operators over the past two, three years was very low, with no signs to get better. 772s are completely dead beside those from UA and a few still flying in Japan.
Among the big operators still holding on to large numbers of standard-sized 777s older than 15 years (UA, BA, JAL, AA, DL and AF) I wonder when AF will start retiring its 77E fleet now that the A340s are basically gone. I guess they´ll be the first of this group I mentioned.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:24 pm

SonomaFlyer wrote:
Charlie757 wrote:
How come certain -200ER/LR aircraft are being scrapped so young. With some examples being around 10-15 years old?


If they are being scrapped that young, its because they are less efficient than aircraft replacing them at an airline. Also, some 777s have a small cargo door which won't allow container loading which further reduces their utility. With aggressive pricing on 787/350s and comparing the fuel and maintenance costs to a used 777, the bean counters are beginning to go with new.

Add in for the US airlines that changes in tax rules further favor new aircraft purchases.

The tax rules will change fleet buying, in particular with widebodies. As SonomaFlyer notes, not all 777s are as desirable due to small cargo doors.

There was also a tremendous range increase late in the A333 life. With ready availability of the 787 (see rate cut), A339 (further rumored rate cut), and soon 779, old widebodies are not going to hold value as well as before.

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:38 pm

na wrote:
I wonder when AF will start retiring its 77E fleet now that the A340s are basically gone. I guess they´ll be the first of this group I mentioned.


Should be some time in the beginning of the new year, with the A350s arriving. First the A350 needs to be run up, then about 4 A340s to be replaced first and the 777s should be next. AF is taking 3 A350s this year and 3 more before next summer.
 
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:56 pm

na

Were they next to the Zimbabwe Airways aircraft?.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Does anyone know which 777s are being parted-out at Teruel at the moment? Is the Kuwait 77E among them?
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:16 pm

na wrote:
All in all I count almost 150 777s which are either scrapped, written off, permanently retired or in various stages of storage or undergoing part-out.


Btw, that is not including the 10 stored Jet Airways 77Ws.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:42 pm

The Subang aircraft were 2-RLBM and 2-RLBN.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:19 pm

Two more very recent 777 retirements:
SQ 77E 9V-SVN, ln.432, has been wfu in October.
https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4
LATAM has returned a former SQ-77E to Boeing, a plane which had been leased shortterm and never carried the livery of the Chilean carrier.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:53 am

After retiring, ex-SQ 9V-SVN has now been reregistered and flown to Goodyear for storage.
Two more (looking at their age, likely final) 777 retirements happened this week:
77E IrAero VQ-BSJ, line-no. 54
77E IrAero VQ-BMR, ln.176

Both have been ferried to Teruel, where now the largest number of retired 777 awaits their fate.
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:45 am

IrAero ending long haul ops ?
 
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:24 pm

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IrAero ending long haul ops ?

Airfleets indicates they still have VP-BLI, and another 772 on order.
Their website indicates three frames, though this appears not true anymore.
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:52 pm

Charlie757 wrote:
How come certain -200ER/LR aircraft are being scrapped so young. With some examples being around 10-15 years old?


While still being young (around 10 years), half of ex Vietnam Airlines have found new homes, the other ones are among the ones already scrapped or about to be. My guess is that it has also to do with very intensive use and mitigant maintenance
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:00 am

RP-C7774 was ferried to VCV on 08 Nov 2019 for storage.Why PAL has sent this 7 years old 77W to VCV?Its gonna be retired?
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:09 am

Possibly for paint.
 
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Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:31 am

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RP-C7774 was ferried to VCV on 08 Nov 2019 for storage.Why PAL has sent this 7 years old 77W to VCV?Its gonna be retired?


It is on its way back to Manila (15 December)
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:34 pm

B-KPH from Cathay Pacific will be withdrawn from use soon.
Anyone knows that where will it go? (MSN35301)
 
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:54 pm

na wrote:
After retiring, ex-SQ 9V-SVN has now been reregistered and flown to Goodyear for storage.
Two more (looking at their age, likely final) 777 retirements happened this week:
77E IrAero VQ-BSJ, line-no. 54
77E IrAero VQ-BMR, ln.176

Both have been ferried to Teruel, where now the largest number of retired 777 awaits their fate.

What is your source? I live near GYR and would like to see if SVN is near the runway or being parted out
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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:25 am

Malaysia's flyGlobal sole B773 (ex-EK A6-EMN) has been picked up for corporate cabin conversion. The company is bankrupt I think. Their other two B772ER are in storage for some time as well.

Boeing 777-31H 29063 262 N906CL Carlyle Aviation Partners ferried 22-23dec19 SZB-HNL-AFW, for corporate cabin config ex 2-RLBN
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

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Re: 777 Retirement/Scrapping Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:36 pm

drmlnr1 wrote:
na wrote:
After retiring, ex-SQ 9V-SVN has now been reregistered and flown to Goodyear for storage.
Two more (looking at their age, likely final) 777 retirements happened this week:
77E IrAero VQ-BSJ, line-no. 54
77E IrAero VQ-BMR, ln.176

Both have been ferried to Teruel, where now the largest number of retired 777 awaits their fate.

What is your source? I live near GYR and would like to see if SVN is near the runway or being parted out


That was reported by skyliner-aviation.de.

The third and last IrAero 777 has also been retired since, with the airline practically ending its short-lived 777 operations.
77E VP-BLI, ln. 47 (ex EK)

There are a few more old 777s which haven´t flown in the past 4 weeks, raising questions wether they have been retired.
772 JAL JA8984, ln. 68
77E Air Peace 5N-BVE, ln. 171 (ex EK)
 
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