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Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:17 am

Please continue from last year's discussion.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:21 am

Happy New Years F9 followers!

Here’s to 2019 and what should be another whirlwind of a year for our beloved Frontier!

I’m Expecting dartboard style route announcements, 16+ new A320neo deliveries, further indigo/wizz/wow/F9/volaris/enterjet/jetsmart partnership announcements, several multi-day-delays and a couple emotional support squirrel incidents. Hopefully no urantion incidents (even tho it really is all part of the F9 experience).

Whatever the year brings, I look forward to discussing it all here with you!

Cheers!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:41 am

2019 F9 Predictions:
-Absolute insanity on route launches
-Wouldn't shock me if F9 launches routes like SAT-PIT/PBI, RDU-SJC, PSM-MIA, ISP-MSY/JAX, MEM-RDU/IAD, and ATL-SMF
Most likely, none or very few of those routes will happen. It could be even crazier than that!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:46 pm

rph99 wrote:
Happy New Years F9 followers!

Here’s to 2019 and what should be another whirlwind of a year for our beloved Frontier!

I’m Expecting dartboard style route announcements, 16+ new A320neo deliveries, further indigo/wizz/wow/F9/volaris/enterjet/jetsmart partnership announcements.

Cheers!


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: Likewise, I am hearing of a number of new route announcements coming in the near future. It makes sense with the new planes arriving and just a couple of older frames being jettisoned. Will SBN be re-activated? Perhaps prior service to DEN had a high load factor before it was cancelled a few years back.

Additionally, F9 anticipates the passage of a new pilot contract which will be needed to staff the the additional flying with the new aircraft. The AFA ( flight attendants) are also in negotiations to improve their employment landscape. If these are both ratified, this will solidify F9s labor contracts for a number of years going forward.

Philadelphia comes on-line as a pilot base as of 1/1/2019 (today). The airline is ramping up staffing for PHL which is certainly an indication that F9 may see more flying coming out of that focus city.

Undoubtedly there will be some miscues along the way for Frontier in 2019, but the overall future currently is bright thanks the employees and the ownership. A little over five years ago F9 was pretty much given up as being "dead in the water". It has survived to live another day :yes:

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:00 pm

Honestly I'd like to see them start DEN-BIL. Given how they've been re-opening old stations, I think it's a possibility.
Something exceptionally random would be cool too...like DEN-GNV weekend service. But that's probably too crazy even for F9!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:22 am

BrodieBruce wrote:
Honestly I'd like to see them start DEN-BIL. Given how they've been re-opening old stations, I think it's a possibility.
Something exceptionally random would be cool too...like DEN-GNV weekend service. But that's probably too crazy even for F9!


GNV would absolutely win craziest route announcement.

I’d like to see MLB or DAB - both of which are probably just slightly more likely than GNV! I imagine zero difficulty filling planes to one of those two.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:24 am

rph99 wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
Honestly I'd like to see them start DEN-BIL. Given how they've been re-opening old stations, I think it's a possibility.
Something exceptionally random would be cool too...like DEN-GNV weekend service. But that's probably too crazy even for F9!


I have a pretty good filling DEN-BIL will be announced this year. Maybe a return to BLI (or even YVR, given their flights to calagary seem to be a hit).

GNV would absolutely win craziest route announcement.

I’d like to see MLB or DAB - both of which are probably just slightly more likely than GNV! I imagine zero difficulty filling planes to one of those two.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:18 am

rph99 wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
Honestly I'd like to see them start DEN-BIL. Given how they've been re-opening old stations, I think it's a possibility.
Something exceptionally random would be cool too...like DEN-GNV weekend service. But that's probably too crazy even for F9!


GNV would absolutely win craziest route announcement.

I’d like to see MLB or DAB - both of which are probably just slightly more likely than GNV! I imagine zero difficulty filling planes to one of those two.

I think either of those would work out really well. Florida-DEN has quite a bit of traffic.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:17 pm

rph99 wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
Honestly I'd like to see them start DEN-BIL. Given how they've been re-opening old stations, I think it's a possibility.
Something exceptionally random would be cool too...like DEN-GNV weekend service. But that's probably too crazy even for F9!


GNV would absolutely win craziest route announcement.

I’d like to see MLB or DAB - both of which are probably just slightly more likely than GNV! I imagine zero difficulty filling planes to one of those two.


I have heard some rumors about Frontier coming to MLB from some friends who work there. Don't be surprised if something is announced in the coming months.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:33 pm

I’d like to see more routes to/from MDT, but I’m wondering if part of their strategy this year involves frequency increases vs lots of oddball routes.
Either way, looking forward to 2019!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:59 am

A birdie told me there may be an announcement this week about a major airport nobody was expecting. Time will tell!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:01 am

isp2 wrote:
A birdie told me there may be an announcement this week about a major airport nobody was expecting. Time will tell!


LHR, obviously.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:10 am

isp2 wrote:
A birdie told me there may be an announcement this week about a major airport nobody was expecting. Time will tell!

So EWR, BOS, YYZ or YVR.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:29 pm

isp2 wrote:
A birdie told me there may be an announcement this week about a major airport nobody was expecting. Time will tell!

There are only so many major airports left in the US they don't fly to such as JFK, EWR, BOS, HNL, ANC. Personally, I would like to see ANC added and it is one major airport that many don't mention for new service. Now they could be looking at more Canada flying so that leaves YYZ, YUL, YVR as the major airports. I think it will be some smaller airport like DAB, MLB, EYW (dart board routes they will close quickly). My wildcard pick is KEF.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:23 pm

Canadian cities might not be a bad guess for a couple of reasons:

1. Frontier's parent Indigo Partners is investing in Canadian charter company Enerjet and promises rapid expansion. (There's another link to a Delaware story on this but it doesn't play nicely with my browser -- seek it out if you'd like more info from that one.)
https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... adian-ULCC

2. There have been "broken" flows for weeks now and a number of airports. It's not uncommon for Frontier to do this -- publish a schedule which includes big gaps like an aircraft seemingly idle from 11am until 6:pm. But then usually within a few days some new flying is unveiled and it all makes sense. That it has been several weeks suggests something is more complicated about this one.

3. Canada has comparably little transboarder ULCC service.

Maybe...and this is obviously just speculation...the quick growth Indigo promises for Enerjet will be transboarder stuff operated by Frontier. Which would be trickier in a legal and regulatory way than, say, if they are launching a bunch of new routes out of Portland or Boston or Salt Lake or wherever.

Certainly just a guess but it would fit with the "unexpected" aspect, with Indigo's recent investment, with plans to have them grow rapidly, and with how long the unresolved aircraft flows have been sitting in the Frontier schedule.


DABPIT is right that the current Frontier strategy is running out of good airports to route-bomb -- certainly there are some opportunities remaining but fewer of them are strong candidates for success. Austin -- certainly a fast-growing darling among planners these days -- was bombed with 24 new markets last summer and this year about 15 are not coming back. Ten good enough to try again in 2019 might be considered a positive, but the issue is when you're down to route-bombing places more in the category of Jacksonville there are fewer routes even worth trying and lower odds of success at the ones you do. So something off the board like Canada might be around the corner, indeed.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:27 pm

I think the bridges were burned with BOS years ago. Would love to see MHT, but with PVD, PSM, PWM all being served that’s likely not going to happen.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:37 pm

I don’t see Frontier in Canada but rather bombing the cities near the Canadian border. BUF, BTV, SYR etc...
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:58 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
I don’t see Frontier in Canada but rather bombing the cities near the Canadian border. BUF, BTV, SYR etc...


They fly to YYC already. I don't think adding a 2nd is a longshot.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:03 pm

Help! Can anyone give me any ideas about a reliable (and free or at least cheap) source that will tell me what nonstop flights F9 offers from SAN? And hopefully, what season particular routes operate as well? I try to maintain a data base of all nonstop routes from SAN and F9 makes it impossible to keep it accurate.

I've really tried to search the F9 website and everything I've found there mixes nonstop flights with connecting ones. I simply cannot (and won't) take the time to search the booking engine day-by-day, week-by-week and monthly, route-by-route to figure out what route is served nonstop now and in the near future.

The route map for me is useless; I've eaten plates of spaghetti and meatballs that are easier to follow than the completely useless F9 one. Is there any form of interactive map for F9 that most other cx offer that make it very easy to know precisely which destinations are served from a selected origin city?

I expect the OAG would tell me what I want but that source is too expensive for me.

In a related matter, what is the easiest way to know thru what date F9's booking window is open? I do try to monitor this info be reading threads here on A.net but that can end up being quite a chore.

I'd really appreciate any help from anyone who may know the answers to my questions. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:13 pm

SANFan wrote:
Help! Can anyone give me any ideas about a reliable (and free or at least cheap) source that will tell me what nonstop flights F9 offers from SAN? And hopefully, what season particular routes operate as well? I try to maintain a data base of all nonstop routes from SAN and F9 makes it impossible to keep it accurate.

I've really tried to search the F9 website and everything I've found there mixes nonstop flights with connecting ones. I simply cannot (and won't) take the time to search the booking engine day-by-day, week-by-week and monthly, route-by-route to figure out what route is served nonstop now and in the near future.

The route map for me is useless; I've eaten plates of spaghetti and meatballs that are easier to follow than the completely useless F9 one. Is there any form of interactive map for F9 that most other cx offer that make it very easy to know precisely which destinations are served from a selected origin city?

I expect the OAG would tell me what I want but that source is too expensive for me.

In a related matter, what is the easiest way to know thru what date F9's booking window is open? I do try to monitor this info be reading threads here on A.net but that can end up being quite a chore.

I'd really appreciate any help from anyone who may know the answers to my questions. Thank you in advance.

bb


The Frontier mobile app has an interactive route map.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:42 pm

SANFan wrote:
Help! Can anyone give me any ideas about a reliable (and free or at least cheap) source that will tell me what nonstop flights F9 offers from SAN? And hopefully, what season particular routes operate as well? I try to maintain a data base of all nonstop routes from SAN and F9 makes it impossible to keep it accurate.

I've really tried to search the F9 website and everything I've found there mixes nonstop flights with connecting ones. I simply cannot (and won't) take the time to search the booking engine day-by-day, week-by-week and monthly, route-by-route to figure out what route is served nonstop now and in the near future.

The route map for me is useless; I've eaten plates of spaghetti and meatballs that are easier to follow than the completely useless F9 one. Is there any form of interactive map for F9 that most other cx offer that make it very easy to know precisely which destinations are served from a selected origin city?

I expect the OAG would tell me what I want but that source is too expensive for me.

In a related matter, what is the easiest way to know thru what date F9's booking window is open? I do try to monitor this info be reading threads here on A.net but that can end up being quite a chore.

I'd really appreciate any help from anyone who may know the answers to my questions. Thank you in advance.

bb


Not the most ideal way but if you use google flights and have it set to SAN with no destination, nonstop, Frontier (you have to set it with a destination first then take it out). It will then show locations that are nonstop on F9 for that date. Biggest issues would still be cycling thru dates but at least they all would show up for each date.

The interactive route map on the app sucks (shows nonstop and stops) and isn't up to date half the time.

Try this link

https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#f ... 1;t:e;tt:o
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:05 pm

dabpit wrote:
isp2 wrote:
A birdie told me there may be an announcement this week about a major airport nobody was expecting. Time will tell!

There are only so many major airports left in the US they don't fly to such as JFK, EWR, BOS, HNL, ANC. Personally, I would like to see ANC added and it is one major airport that many don't mention for new service. Now they could be looking at more Canada flying so that leaves YYZ, YUL, YVR as the major airports. I think it will be some smaller airport like DAB, MLB, EYW (dart board routes they will close quickly). My wildcard pick is KEF.


F9 could also add RIC-DEN nonstop service since (a) RIC is located in the largest market in the U.S. that doesn't currently have nonstop service to DEN on any LCC's and (b) WN is unlikely to add RIC-DEN nonstop service.

ROC is located in the largest market in the U.S. that currently has no nonstop service to DEN on any airline, and F9 could add ROC-DEN nonstop service if WN or UA doesn't add ROC-DEN nonstop service.

While F9 has recently reentered many of the destinations that it previously pulled out of, F9 hasn't yet announced any plans to re-enter ANC, even though F9 did serve ANC nonstop from DEN on a seasonal basis in the past.

F9 could also re-enter DAY, and there would still be enough demand for F9 service out of CVG if F9 re-enters DAY since (a) F9 will likely have a much smaller presence at DAY than it currently does at CVG if it re-enters DAY, (b) there are some destinations that F9 serves nonstop from CVG that F9 will never serve nonstop from DAY, (c) F9 already carries over 1,000,000 passengers per year out of CVG, and (d) F9 would likely carry far fewer passengers per year out of DAY than it currently does out of CVG if it re-enters DAY.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:07 pm

The problem with the Canada notion is that YYC doesn’t appear to be working that great for F9 - LAS already cut and DEN going to 1x weekly and 2x in the summer... which, doesn’t even make a lot of sense to even serve during the winter at 1x a week seeing as YYC isn’t going to serve as a place people want to stay a week (even ex-YYC traffic isn’t going to want to be gone a week unless on the way to Mexico or the Caribbean, and that’s almost certainly not going to be on F9)
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:20 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Help! Can anyone give me any ideas about a reliable (and free or at least cheap) source that will tell me what nonstop flights F9 offers from SAN? And hopefully, what season particular routes operate as well? I try to maintain a data base of all nonstop routes from SAN and F9 makes it impossible to keep it accurate.
bb


The Frontier mobile app has an interactive route map.

Jshank83 wrote:
Not the most ideal way but if you use google flights and have it set to SAN with no destination, nonstop, Frontier (you have to set it with a destination first then take it out). It will then show locations that are nonstop on F9 for that date. Biggest issues would still be cycling thru dates but at least they all would show up for each date.

The interactive route map on the app sucks (shows nonstop and stops) and isn't up to date half the time.

Try this link

https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0#f ... 1;t:e;tt:o

Thanks much guys. I don't have a smart phone but you've both helped with great ideas and I'll try them out.

bb
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:14 am

jplatts wrote:
F9 could also re-enter DAY, and there would still be enough demand for F9 service out of CVG if F9 re-enters DAY since (a) F9 will likely have a much smaller presence at DAY than it currently does at CVG if it re-enters DAY, (b) there are some destinations that F9 serves nonstop from CVG that F9 will never serve nonstop from DAY, (c) F9 already carries over 1,000,000 passengers per year out of CVG, and (d) F9 would likely carry far fewer passengers per year out of DAY than it currently does out of CVG if it re-enters DAY.


First, Happy New Year to all, and thanks to you, jplatts, for your contributions. Throughout last year, even though I live in Northern Kentucky, I was beating the drum for ULCC service to come to Dayton. My idea was for Spirit (NK) to inaugurate service to DAY. F9 could provide that service, too, but it would have to be one airline or the other, not both . . . at least for now. There is a market there!
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:27 am

jeepyjeep wrote:
I’d like to see more routes to/from MDT, but I’m wondering if part of their strategy this year involves frequency increases vs lots of oddball routes.
Either way, looking forward to 2019!

I agree, it would be nice to see DEN go year round and up the frequency.The fact that they launched BWI-DEN year round at 4weekly when there is already three other carriers on the route seems odd.
I could see MCO go up in frequency. Not sure what other city they would add, so far RDU and MDW didn’t fare well.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:14 am

Buddys747 wrote:
I agree, it would be nice to see DEN go year round and up the frequency.The fact that they launched BWI-DEN year round at 4weekly when there is already three other carriers on the route seems odd.


There are a few other nonstop routes such as BWI-CVG, BWI-MIA, and BWI-SAT that could be added by F9 at BWI since (a) NK doesn't currently serve CVG, MIA, or SAT, (b) AA is currently the only airline that serves MIA nonstop from BWI, (c) WN is currently the only airline that serves SAT nonstop from BWI, (d) CVG only currently has nonstop service out of BWI on DL and WN, and (e) there are no ULCC's serving CVG or MIA nonstop from any of the DC airports.

F9 might be able to make BWI-MIA nonstop service work since FL used to serve MIA nonstop from BWI prior to the WN-FL merger. However, FL had planes with fewer seats than F9's A319, A320, and A321 planes, and FL also had connecting feed from the Northeastern U.S. in addition to O&D to support BWI-MIA nonstop service.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:01 am

I could see F9 doing these Canadian Routes easily, I'm guessing out of the routes F9 operates from cross border airports like BUF & BTV along with airlines like Swoop operating flights from YXX & YHM.

DEN-YYZ, MCO-YYZ, LAS-YYZ, TPA-YYZ
PHX-YYC
DEN-YVR, LAS-YVR, PHX-YVR
MCO-YUL
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:58 am

Looks like they just started loading new summer routes. I see TPA-RDU.
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:10 am

PHL-RDU has also been added as well
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:22 am

Along with RDU-BOS
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:01 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
Along with RDU-BOS


Wasn’t expecting that. When did F9 last serve Boston? 2006?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:31 am

master14225 wrote:
I could see F9 doing these Canadian Routes easily, I'm guessing out of the routes F9 operates from cross border airports like BUF & BTV along with airlines like Swoop operating flights from YXX & YHM.

DEN-YYZ, MCO-YYZ, LAS-YYZ, TPA-YYZ
PHX-YYC
DEN-YVR, LAS-YVR, PHX-YVR
MCO-YUL

The last thing any American carrier should do is jump into the Canada-Sun destination markets. 90% Canada point of sale in a country with no distribution presence ( places like flight center are still important in distribution). High taxes and high airport costs.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:51 am

Then how does F9, B6, and WN do well on sun destinations out of BUF? Most of the pax at BUF are from Toronto. I did this out of what is served from BUF and other cross border airports.

Bobloblaw wrote:
master14225 wrote:
I could see F9 doing these Canadian Routes easily, I'm guessing out of the routes F9 operates from cross border airports like BUF & BTV along with airlines like Swoop operating flights from YXX & YHM.

DEN-YYZ, MCO-YYZ, LAS-YYZ, TPA-YYZ
PHX-YYC
DEN-YVR, LAS-YVR, PHX-YVR
MCO-YUL

The last thing any American carrier should do is jump into the Canada-Sun destination markets. 90% Canada point of sale in a country with no distribution presence ( places like flight center are still important in distribution). High taxes and high airport costs.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:09 am

master14225 wrote:
Then how does F9, B6, and WN do well on sun destinations out of BUF? Most of the pax at BUF are from Toronto. I did this out of what is served from BUF and other cross border airports.

Bobloblaw wrote:
master14225 wrote:
I could see F9 doing these Canadian Routes easily, I'm guessing out of the routes F9 operates from cross border airports like BUF & BTV along with airlines like Swoop operating flights from YXX & YHM.

DEN-YYZ, MCO-YYZ, LAS-YYZ, TPA-YYZ
PHX-YYC
DEN-YVR, LAS-YVR, PHX-YVR
MCO-YUL

The last thing any American carrier should do is jump into the Canada-Sun destination markets. 90% Canada point of sale in a country with no distribution presence ( places like flight center are still important in distribution). High taxes and high airport costs.


BUF isn't in Canada.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:15 am

Still not seeing PDX-AUS or PDX-CLE. :?

Any word on if these routes will return at all?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Looks like the full Raleigh complement is BOS, TPA, CMH, JAX, ISP, PHL, BDL, ALB, all starting around the end of April.

Kind of interesting -- last year when Austin got heavily route-bombed Raleigh also had quite a few additions but it seemed more restrained at RDU. Now a lot of the potential RDU routes that didn't get tried last summer are coming for 2019.

There's almost certainly more coming to the summer schedule elsewhere -- not sure if further announcements will come today or if they will be staged.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:55 pm

master14225 wrote:
I could see F9 doing these Canadian Routes easily, I'm guessing out of the routes F9 operates from cross border airports like BUF & BTV along with airlines like Swoop operating flights from YXX & YHM.

DEN-YYZ, MCO-YYZ, LAS-YYZ, TPA-YYZ
PHX-YYC
DEN-YVR, LAS-YVR, PHX-YVR
MCO-YUL


Another airport that could qualify as "cross border," given its catchment area, is SYR. It's a straight shot down 81 from the border and draws from the Kingston area and even Ottawa on occasion.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:03 pm

PHL-RDU previously operated but IIRC did not operate last summer
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:04 pm

Interestingly, when you go on the F9 site and try to book a flight out of BOS, only 4 destinations are searchable and only RDU is bookable. (RDU, MCO, DEN, and RNO). Do the latter two suggest they’re going to finally add DEN-BOS at some point (perhaps it’s not loaded yet) as well?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:19 pm

I can’t tell you how happy I am Frontier is coming to Boston! Shocked as ever since they have surrounded BOS with PSM, PVD and BDL. I’m hoping they’ll add BOS-CVG as Delta is sky high. There’s plenty of other routes for them too.
I believe today will have tons of announcements- mainly from RDU. But we are also seeing more gaps open up. Did anyone notice the schedule for RDU-BDL? It looks like the plane does BDL-RDU-BDL... meaning something else from BDL is missing! (DEN-BDL turns BDL-DEN). Ever since Indigo can’t into play my new tag line has become “Oh the places Frontier will go Thanks to Indigo!”
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:00 pm

USAavdork wrote:
I can’t tell you how happy I am Frontier is coming to Boston! Shocked as ever since they have surrounded BOS with PSM, PVD and BDL. I’m hoping they’ll add BOS-CVG as Delta is sky high. There’s plenty of other routes for them too.
I believe today will have tons of announcements- mainly from RDU. But we are also seeing more gaps open up. Did anyone notice the schedule for RDU-BDL? It looks like the plane does BDL-RDU-BDL... meaning something else from BDL is missing! (DEN-BDL turns BDL-DEN). Ever since Indigo can’t into play my new tag line has become “Oh the places Frontier will go Thanks to Indigo!”


I can see MEM/BOS, MEM is supposedly getting aggressive to add BOS.

MEM/PHL is there for the summer at 2x along with MCO at 2x, no sign of LAS or SAT. They up Denver to 6x. Could that be the response/effect of Southwest adding DAL daily frequencies and Denver to MEM. Or is that a fortelling of new WN service to LAS from MEM like when the dropped DFW soon followed by WN adding DAL.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:13 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Looks like the full Raleigh complement is BOS, TPA, CMH, JAX, ISP, PHL, BDL, ALB, all starting around the end of April.

There's almost certainly more coming to the summer schedule elsewhere -- not sure if further announcements will come today or if they will be staged.


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark: More to come :bouncy:

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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:27 pm

Anything good for SAT?
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:52 pm

"Frontier has other route expansion announcements this week, “but none of them are as big,” he says."


"Right now, the plan is to continue to contract with ground handlers locally as opposed to installing an RDU-crew base. But Shurz does say Frontier plans to install a Raleigh manager at RDU in the coming year.

“We will continue to grow,” he predicts.

And that growth has already translated to jobs at RDU through its contractor."
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:39 am

But its used mostly by canadians.

BrodieBruce wrote:
master14225 wrote:
Then how does F9, B6, and WN do well on sun destinations out of BUF? Most of the pax at BUF are from Toronto. I did this out of what is served from BUF and other cross border airports.

Bobloblaw wrote:
The last thing any American carrier should do is jump into the Canada-Sun destination markets. 90% Canada point of sale in a country with no distribution presence ( places like flight center are still important in distribution). High taxes and high airport costs.


BUF isn't in Canada.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:32 pm

New PHL Flights: MYR/ATL/LAS/PNS/RDU

PHL – Atlanta (ATL) flying Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday
Departs PHL 1:43pm Arrives ATL 4:05pm; departs ATL 4:55pm Arrives PHL 7:08pm
PHL – Las Vegas (LAS) flying daily
Departs PHL 9:48pm Arrives LAS 12:14am; departs LAS 9:35pm Arrives PHL 5:28am
PHL – Myrtle Beach (MYR) flying Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday
Departs PHL 7:58pm Arrives MYR 9:34pm; departs MYR 10:24pm Arrives PHL 11:59pm
PHL – Pensacola flying Monday and Friday
Departs PHL 5:20pm Arrives PNS 7:01pm; departs PNS 7:51pm Arrives PHL 11:37pm
PHL – Raleigh-Durham flying Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday
Departs PHL 2:28pm Arrives RDU 3:45pm; departs RDU 4:35pm Arrives PHL 5:54pm

http://www.phl.org/Press%20Releases/Fro ... ry%208.pdf
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:09 pm

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fron ... ?r=US&IR=T

Frontier will now request for tips on all purchases.
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:33 pm

Congrats to PHL and RDU! On the subject of tips- it’s nothing new. It was on their charging device when o flew them PHL-MCO three years ago!
 
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Re: Frontier Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:36 pm

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