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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:44 am

LJ wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
I wonder if the routes that Transavia announced yesterday to be cancelled from AMS (Helsinki, Katowice, Reus, Sofia, Tirana) will be the first to be tried in LEY.


Highly unlikely, the first flights will probably be charter destinations like Palma, Malaga and Antalya. It would make more sense to fly to destinations where people from nearby Almere and Leleystad want to fly to.


Quite likely that both things at the same time happen. This is Ryanair 101 out of neighbouring airports like Barcelona (main) and Girona (secondary), Frankfurt and Hahn, Düsseldorf and Weeze, etc. It makes a lot sense moving destinations like TIA to Lelystad.

For instance in GRO they keep destinations with traffic to the area (e.g. Brussels - also TUI and Brussels Airlines serve BRU-GRO -) coupled with some secondary destinations which are not served from Barcelona (like Thessaloniki or Pescara). So if someone from Pescara wants to go to Barcelona, they have only one non-stop "nearby" choice (GRO). It is a captive market and Ryanair knows it.

Tirana is a perfect example. AMS-TIA on Transavia is the only Netherlands-Albania link. If they move it to LEY, the users (I reckon VFR and some tourism) have no other choice than taking LEY-TIA unless they change somewhere else (AMS-XXX-TIA) likely at a higher cost and time. Flights for VFR also tend to capture regional traffic, so probably from some Albanian living in, let's say, Nijmegen, driving to LEY is even preferable than to AMS (smaller airport, probably much cheaper parking, etc.).

In a way it is not different than the new Rotterdam-Perugia route. Someone from Amsterdam heading for the area might find easier to take a train/car to RTM and fly directly rather than just taking a AMS-FCO flight and taking ground transportation there.

A mix of main beach destinations like AGP, PMI and "captive" markets like TIA would make the most sense.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:54 pm

KLM FAST FROM FIVE TO FOUR FLIGHTS PER DAY DIRECTION BRUSSELS

SCHIPHOL - KLM, in collaboration with Dutch Railways and Thalys, will be phasing out the scheduled service between Schiphol and Brussels. Next summer season, the frequency on the route is already going down from five to four flights a day, the three parties announced on Friday at the KLM Open.

The intention is that these travelers will travel by train later. "We have worked hard in recent months to solve the practical problems that come with this," said KLM CEO Pieter Elbers at the presentation of the plans, which had already leaked out to this medium.

One of the results is that KLM, Thalys and NS are going to expand their Air & Rail cooperation, the program that allows travelers to purchase a combined train and flight ticket. For example, there will be a special Air & Rail check-in counter at Schiphol.


Interesting that they started to find alternatives for short-haul routes below the 500km. It will free up 10 slots a day eventually that will be put on more profitable routes. This slot restriction has made some choices real.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:16 am

Dutchy wrote:
KLM FAST FROM FIVE TO FOUR FLIGHTS PER DAY DIRECTION BRUSSELS

SCHIPHOL - KLM, in collaboration with Dutch Railways and Thalys, will be phasing out the scheduled service between Schiphol and Brussels. Next summer season, the frequency on the route is already going down from five to four flights a day, the three parties announced on Friday at the KLM Open.

The intention is that these travelers will travel by train later. "We have worked hard in recent months to solve the practical problems that come with this," said KLM CEO Pieter Elbers at the presentation of the plans, which had already leaked out to this medium.

One of the results is that KLM, Thalys and NS are going to expand their Air & Rail cooperation, the program that allows travelers to purchase a combined train and flight ticket. For example, there will be a special Air & Rail check-in counter at Schiphol.


Interesting that they started to find alternatives for short-haul routes below the 500km. It will free up 10 slots a day eventually that will be put on more profitable routes. This slot restriction has made some choices real.

Brussels is also a natural candidate once the Air/Rail program is in place. Air France already has check-in desks and a lounge at the Brussels Thalys station.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:27 pm

This October Transavia will be increasing AMS-LJU to 5 weekly while AMS-BEG will be 6 weekly. In winter frequencies are reduced and are brought back in April 2020.

Nice to see Transavia have success on these routes which were launched at the same time.

AMS-ZAG will be reduced to 6 weekly from the very start of the winter season unlike the previous winter season.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:06 am

With Adria Airways officially bankrupt, SN Brussels will be launching its own six weekly BRU-LJU flights starting this November.

BRU-LJU 15.30-17.10
LJU-BRU 17.55-19.45

How are these flights in terms of onward connections?
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:09 pm

'FARMERS WANT TO OCCUPY SCHIPHOL ON OCTOBER 29'

SCHIPHOL - After this week's demonstration in The Hague, the farmers want to occupy Schiphol on Tuesday 29 October. This is apparent from a report circulating in various WhatsApp groups of farmers. The campaigners would like to stop air traffic at the airport with their actions.

That is how the nitrogen problem would be solved in one go. It is not clear how farmers want to stop air traffic.

In the message that farmers frequently share, they call each other to the demonstration at Schiphol. "Forward to all farmers. The routes will be announced the day before the demonstration," the WhatsApp message states.

The action on October 29 would not be supported by Farmers Defense Force, one of the organizers of the big protest action on Tuesday in The Hague. That action caused a great deal of nuisance for road traffic.


Link

In the Netherlands there is a problem with nitrogen, with all the potentially short time solutions, targeting aviation is not mentioned, but the potentially farmers could be. So that's why the farmers are targeting Schiphol.

Don't think it will come to this, but we'll see if they can shut down Schiphol.
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:29 pm

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but why is Lelystad supposed to be the relief airport for Schiphol rather than, say, RTM? Surely that has a better catchment area, being close to both Rotterdam and Den Haag?
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:00 am

Volotea will increase its presence at LUX next summer launching flights to VCE (2x per week) and increasing frequencies to NCE (to 4x weekly).

https://www.volotea.com/en/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:33 pm

In the UEFA Champions League, title holders Liverpool are visiting Belgium this week, arriving in Maastricht with a Titan Airways Boeing 757 (or A320/321?) today at 18.30h:

https://championsleaguecharters.blogspo ... pions.html
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:37 pm

Ural Airlines is considerably increasing its presence in Amsterdam. Starting from 29.03.2020 ZIA-AMS will be doubled from 2 to 4 weekly flights while two class A320 will be replaced by a single class A321.

U6743 ZIA1120 – 1350AMS 321 x146
U6744 AMS1450 – 1910ZIA 321 x146

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:22 pm

Transavia will be discontinuing their AMS-SOF flights next summer, until then they will operate three weekly flights. Bulgaria Air will keep on operating daily flights.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:51 am

 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:24 pm

MrBren wrote:


But no base in Brussels as they have in RTM and EIN.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:08 pm

Very logical as there is hardly room for expansion at the Dutch airports.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... ls-airport

They cannot grow in AMS and EIN and hardly in RTM. GRQ and MST aren't profitable and LEY isn't open yet. A lot of Belgian customers already fly HV from EIN and RTM, so BRU makes sense.

Also something to consider for the environment freaks who want to put a cap on aviation. They can't stop growth from happening! If they put a cap on growth in the Netherlands, airlines will simply grow elsewhere. Caps don't stop them from growing.
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:19 am

Georgian Airways will be temporarily suspending TBS-BRU flights:

18 NOV 19 – 14 DEC 19, 13 JAN20 – 07 MAR20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... justments/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:03 am

Eindhoven wrote:
Very logical as there is hardly room for expansion at the Dutch airports.

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... ls-airport

They cannot grow in AMS and EIN and hardly in RTM. GRQ and MST aren't profitable and LEY isn't open yet. A lot of Belgian customers already fly HV from EIN and RTM, so BRU makes sense.

Also something to consider for the environment freaks who want to put a cap on aviation. They can't stop growth from happening! If they put a cap on growth in the Netherlands, airlines will simply grow elsewhere. Caps don't stop them from growing.


People living near such airport won't mind if it will grow elsewhere. ;)
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:36 am

After leaving the airport 15 years ago, as from October 25th 2020 Singapore Airlines is to return to Brussels with 4 weekly flights.

SQ304 SIN – BRU 23:55 – 06:50+1 –345-7
SQ303 BRU – SIN 11:20 – 06:55+1 1–456-

Great news for BRU and a long awaited return.

https://www.brusselsairport.be/pressroo ... singapore/
 
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Re: BeNeLux Aviation Thread - 2019

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