FlyHappy
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:44 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?


thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]
 
rainaviation2
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:39 am

FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?


thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]


No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

Well, SY did make many cuts to their MSP international winter service this past year to make room for new routes. They have really spread their network thin in many areas.
 
MSPNWA
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:11 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more


I didn't keep track of DL/SY's CUN frequencies this winter, but DL didn't operate the A333 this winter like the previous. That would have removed quite a few thousand seats assuming constant frequency.
 
tys777
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:35 am

FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?


thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]


Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.
 
lavalampluva
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 am

MSPNWA wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more


I didn't keep track of DL/SY's CUN frequencies this winter, but DL didn't operate the A333 this winter like the previous. That would have removed quite a few thousand seats assuming constant frequency.

DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
MSPNWA
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:51 am

lavalampluva wrote:
DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.


I'm not sure of what you're trying to say, but on double check I think the YoY A330 comp was the same. I was thinking the W17/18 rotation started in December, but I was wrong - it started in January. The lack of it in W18/19 wouldn't have affected the seat count comparison for 2018.
 
lavalampluva
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:44 am

MSPNWA wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.


I'm not sure of what you're trying to say, but on double check I think the YoY A330 comp was the same. I was thinking the W17/18 rotation started in December, but I was wrong - it started in January. The lack of it in W18/19 wouldn't have affected the seat count comparison for 2018.

DL didn’t operate the A330 winter 2018/19, but did winter 2017/18. So you’re correct, that would explain the drop in pax.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
rainaviation2
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:56 am

tys777 wrote:

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.


I think you are correct.... I know for a fact that YWG has seen larger planes in the past year. Not sure about the others.
 
MSP818
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Interesting article in the Minneapolis St. Paul Business Journal last week about how business leaders have been working to bring new destinations to MSP.

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/ ... t-map.html

The article is locked, but here are a couple interesting tidbits.
"RASP just wrapped up another survey of the local business community earlier this year, and that data show high demand for a new direct flight to Sao Paolo, the Brazilian megalopolis and financial center, and business ties between Minnesota and Nordic countries are pushing Copenhagen up the list, King said."
"And there could be more news coming out of MSP before long. Aer Lingus is part of the International Airlines Group along with British Airways and Iberia, and King suggested that leaders at the IAG subsidiaries will be watching the performance of the MSP-Dublin route closely."
 
HTCone
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:30 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?


thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]


No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.


EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.
 
Reddevil556
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:04 am

HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]


No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.


EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.


What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip
Jumped out of: C130H, C130J, C17A, C212, CH47, and UH60. Bucket list: C160, A400, C2
 
klakzky123
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:40 am

Reddevil556 wrote:
HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.


EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.


What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip


Summer fares have been higher than I expected them to be. I figured EI would price their flights to compete with FI but that hasn't been the case. FI is still the cheapest option to Europe in the Summer. And J fares on MSP-DUB are astronomical. It seems like EI is more expensive than DL on J fares in the summer.

Now in the winter, it seems like EI is the cheapest option right now on most routes to Europe.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:39 am

Hey All-

It's approximately 2330 local on July 9th, and they're landing runway 17 tonight - and have been doing so for at least a half an hour. All landings and departures are on 17. Winds don't appear to be a factor. Are they doing night runway repairs on the parallels? Or is this some new night noise abatement thing? I usually only see landings on 17 during thunderstorms or in the rare cases that there are very strong winds out of the south. Anyone know what the scoop is?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:00 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-4q19/

KLM adds 777-200ER service from 27OCT19 to 06DEC19
 
Reddevil556
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
Reddevil556 wrote:
HTCone wrote:

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.


What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip


Summer fares have been higher than I expected them to be. I figured EI would price their flights to compete with FI but that hasn't been the case. FI is still the cheapest option to Europe in the Summer. And J fares on MSP-DUB are astronomical. It seems like EI is more expensive than DL on J fares in the summer.

Now in the winter, it seems like EI is the cheapest option right now on most routes to Europe.


Thanks for the info, I usually travel off season anyways.
Jumped out of: C130H, C130J, C17A, C212, CH47, and UH60. Bucket list: C160, A400, C2
 
Antoli0794
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:08 am

Do you think Delta is still interested in PVG now that AA returned their slots?
 
lavalampluva
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:12 am

Antoli0794 wrote:
Do you think Delta is still interested in PVG now that AA returned their slots?

I think it has always been DL intention of flying that route, but if they are going to start in 2020 they should be announcing it soon.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.

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