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SUNCTRY738
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Antoli0794 wrote:
Seems that PVG is still in the works but awaiting DOT approval. According to the article

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... twincities


I didn't see anything in the linked article related to MSP?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:44 pm

If Delta wants to serve MSP-PVG, there are enough frequencies available for three daily flights. And if Delta wants them, they’ll have to file with DOT. The further we get into fall, the less likely I consider it flight starting until the Trump trade war is resolved.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:56 pm

SUNCTRY738 wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Seems that PVG is still in the works but awaiting DOT approval. According to the article

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... twincities


I didn't see anything in the linked article related to MSP?



I couldn’t get the correct link since it directs to the previous link but I took a screen shot of it. I found that article in the stock market section with Delta
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:13 am

Antoli0794 wrote:
SUNCTRY738 wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Seems that PVG is still in the works but awaiting DOT approval. According to the article

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... twincities


I didn't see anything in the linked article related to MSP?



I couldn’t get the correct link since it directs to the previous link but I took a screen shot of it. I found that article in the stock market section with Delta



https://apple.news/AiS6pWarURlGoniHDzrk-aw
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:08 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.


DL offered PVD-MSP for several years. It would go away for a couple months the week after New Year. I beleive they used CR9s or 7s. One could reach many cities in the Northwest that would take two plane changes via DTW and passengers tolerated the fare premium over BOS to the North. Despite the population and business concentration in the Southern part of New England DL pulled MSP, part of an overall strategy of not diluting BOS.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:34 am

Where in the article? I’ve read it twice
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:40 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
Where in the article? I’ve read it twice



The MSP PVG? Article?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:05 pm

Antoli0794 wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Where in the article? I’ve read it twice



The MSP PVG? Article?



Yes. The first link you posted. Someone else also called that out and I believe you have clarified where you saw the information.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:30 pm

 
SUNCTRY738
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:40 pm

That article link highlighted in red within the linked article is old news. Nothing new there that indicates DL is actively pursuing MSP to PVG service. I am doubtful anything will happen in 2020 given no announcement has been made as of today in October 2019.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:19 pm

SUNCTRY738 wrote:
That article link highlighted in red within the linked article is old news. Nothing new there that indicates DL is actively pursuing MSP to PVG service. I am doubtful anything will happen in 2020 given no announcement has been made as of today in October 2019.

I feel the longer they wait to announce the less likely it’ll happen. DL has mentioned expansions like this just to appease the fans.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:56 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
SUNCTRY738 wrote:
That article link highlighted in red within the linked article is old news. Nothing new there that indicates DL is actively pursuing MSP to PVG service. I am doubtful anything will happen in 2020 given no announcement has been made as of today in October 2019.

I feel the longer they wait to announce the less likely it’ll happen. DL has mentioned expansions like this just to appease the fans.


They might be having trouble obtaining slot authorization to China since so many slots are available to US carriers to tier one cities
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:55 am

Looks like another positive month for passenger traffic and YTD is up too.

https://metroairports.org/sites/default ... 02019.xlsx
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:39 pm

Antoli0794 wrote:
Looks like another positive month for passenger traffic and YTD is up too.

https://metroairports.org/sites/default ... 02019.xlsx


Interesting how Sun Country and Southwest are joined together in the "other" category.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:08 pm

DakotaFlyer wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Looks like another positive month for passenger traffic and YTD is up too.

https://metroairports.org/sites/default ... 02019.xlsx


Interesting how Sun Country and Southwest are joined together in the "other" category.


Especially since they account for more passengers than American, United, Spirit, Condor, Air France, Jet Blue, and KLM which are listed on the Major Airline Stats page along with Delta. It is not even a T1 vs T2 issue since Jet Blue and Condor are with Southwest and Sun Country over at T2, but for some reason are included on the Major Airline Stats page.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:18 pm

WN had said in yesterday's earnings call that it is planning on significantly expanding at HOU, and WN adding MSP-HOU nonstop service might happen with WN planning on significantly expanding at HOU.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:01 pm

nws2002 wrote:
DakotaFlyer wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Looks like another positive month for passenger traffic and YTD is up too.

https://metroairports.org/sites/default ... 02019.xlsx


Interesting how Sun Country and Southwest are joined together in the "other" category.


Especially since they account for more passengers than American, United, Spirit, Condor, Air France, Jet Blue, and KLM which are listed on the Major Airline Stats page along with Delta. It is not even a T1 vs T2 issue since Jet Blue and Condor are with Southwest and Sun Country over at T2, but for some reason are included on the Major Airline Stats page.

On a side note I noticed that Air Canada has a very high number of Non-Rev pax compared to the others (percentage wise) with exception of Delta/Delta Connection.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:21 pm

DakotaFlyer wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Looks like another positive month for passenger traffic and YTD is up too.

https://metroairports.org/sites/default ... 02019.xlsx


Interesting how Sun Country and Southwest are joined together in the "other" category.



Agree, but they've almost always been categorized this way. I don't have an answer for why, but it's been like this for several years.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:03 pm

jplatts wrote:
WN had said in yesterday's earnings call that it is planning on significantly expanding at HOU, and WN adding MSP-HOU nonstop service might happen with WN planning on significantly expanding at HOU.


Didn't happen this extension.
In fact, for MSP, only a 6th Denver flight and 3rd STL segment were added. Everything else remained the same vs. the prior extension for spring break, minus the seasonal Florida routes. For WN at MSP, they have done virtually the same thing year after year. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:03 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
WN had said in yesterday's earnings call that it is planning on significantly expanding at HOU, and WN adding MSP-HOU nonstop service might happen with WN planning on significantly expanding at HOU.


Didn't happen this extension.
In fact, for MSP, only a 6th Denver flight and 3rd STL segment were added. Everything else remained the same vs. the prior extension for spring break, minus the seasonal Florida routes. For WN at MSP, they have done virtually the same thing year after year. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much.


Even though WN does have plans to significantly expand at HOU, I can understand WN not adding MSP-HOU nonstop service yet with WN still facing a plane shortage due to the 737 MAX grounding and with WN making other adds in today's schedule extension such as SAN-Hawaii, resumption of previously operated seasonal nonstop routes, and increased frequencies on some current WN nonstop routes.

Here are the load factors for SY MSP-HOU in 2006 and 2007:
2006 - 91.93%
2007 - 85.43%

Even though SY pulled out of HOU in 2007, SY was able to fill MSP-HOU nonstop flights back when SY served HOU.

WN can probably make MSP-HOU nonstop service work if SY was able to fill MSP-HOU nonstop flights since (a) WN would have some connecting traffic in addition to O&D on the MSP-HOU route if WN adds MSP-HOU nonstop service, (b) HOU is the 2nd largest WN focus city (after LAS) that WN doesn't currently serve nonstop from MSP, (c) WN has a FF base in Greater Houston to support MSP-HOU nonstop service, and (d) HOU is closer than IAH is to Downtown Houston and most of the tourist attractions in Greater Houston.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:37 pm

Here is a question is msp days expansion adding more flight to areas over? If it is it because of Delta and b4 that nwa.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:21 pm

The HND and ICN flights must be successful for DL to pursue PVG flights from MSP.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:35 pm

SY just announced MSP-YVR today.
Wednesday and Saturday flights 5/20/20-8/22/20
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:52 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
SY just announced MSP-YVR today.
Wednesday and Saturday flights 5/20/20-8/22/20


Canada, eh? I wonder where SY is going to take this? YVR flights are WAY over-priced on DL, so hopefully this will bring those fares down!
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:36 am

It's an opportunistic play for Alaska cruise traffic - and nothing wrong with that. MSP travelers should welcome the price competition. Just watch the checked bag and overhead bag fees.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:49 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
It's an opportunistic play for Alaska cruise traffic - and nothing wrong with that. MSP travelers should welcome the price competition. Just watch the checked bag and overhead bag fees.


Yep. Now they fly to both traditional ends of the cruises, YVR and ANC.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:47 pm

Interesting facts about growth from Delta and Sun Country into 2020

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/ ... e=facebook
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:30 am

6 of 7 weekly Icelandair flights scheduled with the 763 instead of 752.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-16dec19/
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:48 am

Ishrion wrote:
6 of 7 weekly Icelandair flights scheduled with the 763 instead of 752.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-16dec19/


Last summer they used a 767 daily. I had family fly in from Norway. They said the service was very good.
"Don't believe it unless its parked on the ramp, or printed in the schedule...SUBJECT TO CHANGE"

I'm a SUNDUCK......Worked for RC & SY @ MSP
 
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