Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

shamrock604 · Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:37 pm

ck8msp wrote:
http://www.startribune.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-aer-lingus-msp-airport-s-new-international-carrier/512061162/

Everything you need to know about Aer Lingus, MSP Airport's new international carrier
The flag carrier of Ireland will offer direct flights between the Twin Cities and Dublin.

It hasn’t been mentioned on this thread yet, but has been in the Irish thread - MSP-DUB will be going daily A330 from next May, and will remain daily for this winter season on the 757 instead of the originally planned 4 flights per week.

BoeingGuy · Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:01 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.

IIRC, NW did PWM-MSP for just one season... on a CR2 (ugh). Why do you think those destinations would be better served out of MSP than DTW?

It had to have been about 2007. I was meeting a friend in PWM, who lived in MSP. I remember there being that non-stop but she instead went through CVG on DL due to price or schedule.

FlyHappy · Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:44 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

rainaviation2 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:39 am

FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

Well, SY did make many cuts to their MSP international winter service this past year to make room for new routes. They have really spread their network thin in many areas.

MSPNWA · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:11 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more

I didn't keep track of DL/SY's CUN frequencies this winter, but DL didn't operate the A333 this winter like the previous. That would have removed quite a few thousand seats assuming constant frequency.

tys777 · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:35 am

FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.

lavalampluva · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 am

MSPNWA wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more

I didn't keep track of DL/SY's CUN frequencies this winter, but DL didn't operate the A333 this winter like the previous. That would have removed quite a few thousand seats assuming constant frequency.

DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.

MSPNWA · Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:51 am

lavalampluva wrote:
DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.

I'm not sure of what you're trying to say, but on double check I think the YoY A330 comp was the same. I was thinking the W17/18 rotation started in December, but I was wrong - it started in January. The lack of it in W18/19 wouldn't have affected the seat count comparison for 2018.

lavalampluva · Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:44 am

MSPNWA wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
DL didn’t operate that aircraft this last winter on the route.

I'm not sure of what you're trying to say, but on double check I think the YoY A330 comp was the same. I was thinking the W17/18 rotation started in December, but I was wrong - it started in January. The lack of it in W18/19 wouldn't have affected the seat count comparison for 2018.

DL didn’t operate the A330 winter 2018/19, but did winter 2017/18. So you’re correct, that would explain the drop in pax.

rainaviation2 · Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:56 am

tys777 wrote:

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.

I think you are correct.... I know for a fact that YWG has seen larger planes in the past year. Not sure about the others.

MSP818 · Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:19 pm

Interesting article in the Minneapolis St. Paul Business Journal last week about how business leaders have been working to bring new destinations to MSP.

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/ ... t-map.html

The article is locked, but here are a couple interesting tidbits.
"RASP just wrapped up another survey of the local business community earlier this year, and that data show high demand for a new direct flight to Sao Paolo, the Brazilian megalopolis and financial center, and business ties between Minnesota and Nordic countries are pushing Copenhagen up the list, King said."
"And there could be more news coming out of MSP before long. Aer Lingus is part of the International Airlines Group along with British Airways and Iberia, and King suggested that leaders at the IAG subsidiaries will be watching the performance of the MSP-Dublin route closely."

HTCone · Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:30 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
I have compiled updated numbers for MSP's international traffic in 2018...

Rank/Airport/Passengers in 2018/Comments
1 Amsterdam, Netherlands 533,796 Up by about 10,000, good to see!
2 Cancún, Mexico 288,280 Down by more than 12,000, probably due to SY focusing on other markets more
3 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 275,851 About the same
4 Paris–Charles de Gaulle, France 224,655 Up by more than 12,000, the 777 on DL must help with this a tad.
5 Winnipeg, Canada 220,534 Up by more than 20,000.... Wonder why?
6 Vancouver, Canada 175,996 Up by more than 20,000.... Also wonder why?
7 Tokyo–Haneda, Japan 168,642 About the same with no real change in the Aircraft
8 Calgary, Canada 157,225 Up by more than 10,000... Wow, Canada-MSP is doing great!
9 Reykjavík–Keflavík, Iceland 126,559 Down by around 5,000
10 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 125,557 Up just a little
11 Edmonton, Canada 114,974 Up by about 5,000
12 Saskatoon, Canada 88,625 About the same
13 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 87,784 Up by about 15,000, surprising with all of the travel warnings
14 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico 87,602 About the same
15 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 62,502 A little down from 2017
16 Montego Bay, Jamaica 43,479 Up by about 3,000
17 San Jose Del Cabo, Mexico 39,729 Down by about 3,000
18 Frankfurt, Germany 28,535 Almost the exact same!
19 Liberia, Costa Rica 25,583 About the same
20 Mazatlán, Mexico 24,935 About the same

Overall, it seems like long-haul routes are up a little or about the same in 2018 from 2017... What surprises me most is the large increase in Canada=MSP routes! Any thoughts on this?

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

Reddevil556 · Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:04 am

HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip

klakzky123 · Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:40 am

Reddevil556 wrote:
HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip

Summer fares have been higher than I expected them to be. I figured EI would price their flights to compete with FI but that hasn't been the case. FI is still the cheapest option to Europe in the Summer. And J fares on MSP-DUB are astronomical. It seems like EI is more expensive than DL on J fares in the summer.

Now in the winter, it seems like EI is the cheapest option right now on most routes to Europe.

TW870 · Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:39 am

Hey All-

It's approximately 2330 local on July 9th, and they're landing runway 17 tonight - and have been doing so for at least a half an hour. All landings and departures are on 17. Winds don't appear to be a factor. Are they doing night runway repairs on the parallels? Or is this some new night noise abatement thing? I usually only see landings on 17 during thunderstorms or in the rare cases that there are very strong winds out of the south. Anyone know what the scoop is?

Ishrion · Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:00 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-4q19/

KLM adds 777-200ER service from 27OCT19 to 06DEC19

Reddevil556 · Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:49 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
Reddevil556 wrote:
HTCone wrote:

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

What are fares looking like round trip? Haven’t priced them out yet, but interested in a trip

Summer fares have been higher than I expected them to be. I figured EI would price their flights to compete with FI but that hasn't been the case. FI is still the cheapest option to Europe in the Summer. And J fares on MSP-DUB are astronomical. It seems like EI is more expensive than DL on J fares in the summer.

Now in the winter, it seems like EI is the cheapest option right now on most routes to Europe.

Thanks for the info, I usually travel off season anyways.

Antoli0794 · Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:08 am

Do you think Delta is still interested in PVG now that AA returned their slots?

lavalampluva · Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:12 am

Antoli0794 wrote:
Do you think Delta is still interested in PVG now that AA returned their slots?

I think it has always been DL intention of flying that route, but if they are going to start in 2020 they should be announcing it soon.

SteveXC500 · Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:58 pm

AS cutting MSP-SAN on Jan 7, 2020.

https://thriftytraveler.com/alaska-airl ... o-in-2020/

sunking737 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:13 am

Sun Country is doing a fair share of NCAA Football flights again this fall. Also if no one knew N716SY has left the fleet, week ago. N710 & 711SY leave this fall. and N713Sy is getting a VIP interior. No word on HV winter birds. I know SY is getting some more planes this fall( new to them), but dates are unknown due to other carriers hanging on to their -800 because of MAX not coming back into service yet.

rainaviation2 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:32 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
AS cutting MSP-SAN on Jan 7, 2020.

https://thriftytraveler.com/alaska-airl ... o-in-2020/

Not surprised... I flew this multiple times and it was never a very high load. DL gets the business traffic on this route and SY picks up the leisure travelers.

rainaviation2 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:36 am

sunking737 wrote:
Sun Country is doing a fair share of NCAA Football flights again this fall. Also if no one knew N716SY has left the fleet, week ago. N710 & 711SY leave this fall. and N713Sy is getting a VIP interior. No word on HV winter birds. I know SY is getting some more planes this fall( new to them), but dates are unknown due to other carriers hanging on to their -800 because of MAX not coming back into service yet.

Thanks for the information! I am sure they will need to lease at least a few HV birds for the winter again. Any word on where they plan to get their next round of -800s from? What kind of VIP interior for 713SY? I assume this is for charters. It would really set them apart from other carriers as far as a charter plane goes.

sunking737 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:30 am

No idea yet on the -800. The CEO hinted in the last few days 35 this winter. with 29 now, 3 more leaving that's 26. 9 more this winter if my math is right 35 by this time next year If I recall they should be getting 4 -800 just to cover the -700 leaving skd service

BAINY3 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:34 am

Tonight (8/28) after 11 PM, several arrivals landed on 17 and this seems to be ongoing, 9 flights and counting as I write this. Arrivals prior to 11 were landing on the 30s. Does anyone know why this is happening instead of arriving on the 12s? The weather doesn't seem to be unusual tonight. I didn't think 17 was ever used for arrivals.

DakotaFlyer · Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:46 am

No idea if related but State Fair is going on and there were fireworks after a major concert, which ended around 11:30.

DakotaFlyer · Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:48 am

BAINY3 wrote:
Tonight (8/28) after 11 PM, several arrivals landed on 17 and this seems to be ongoing, 9 flights and counting as I write this. Arrivals prior to 11 were landing on the 30s. Does anyone know why this is happening instead of arriving on the 12s? The weather doesn't seem to be unusual tonight. I didn't think 17 was ever used for arrivals.

No idea if related but State Fair is going on and there were fireworks after a major concert, which ended around 11:30.

BAINY3 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:02 am

DakotaFlyer wrote:
BAINY3 wrote:
Tonight (8/28) after 11 PM, several arrivals landed on 17 and this seems to be ongoing, 9 flights and counting as I write this. Arrivals prior to 11 were landing on the 30s. Does anyone know why this is happening instead of arriving on the 12s? The weather doesn't seem to be unusual tonight. I didn't think 17 was ever used for arrivals.

No idea if related but State Fair is going on and there were fireworks after a major concert, which ended around 11:30.

It would be weird for that to have an impact. If planes were avoiding the fairgrounds they could just be vectored around the area and still line up with the 12s or 30s.

At any rate, around 11:50 arrivals switched to 35. There were a total of 15 arrivals on 17 between 11:00 and 11:50 PM tonight, and during that span nothing arrived on any other runway.

jrkmsp · Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:27 pm

BAINY3 wrote:
Tonight (8/28) after 11 PM, several arrivals landed on 17 and this seems to be ongoing, 9 flights and counting as I write this. Arrivals prior to 11 were landing on the 30s. Does anyone know why this is happening instead of arriving on the 12s? The weather doesn't seem to be unusual tonight. I didn't think 17 was ever used for arrivals.

MAC does a lot of runway maintenance work overnight in the summer. Could be that the 12s were out of service and with the winds, 17 was the only viable option. It's rare, but not unheard of to use 17 for landings.

maps4ltd · Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:46 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
tys777 wrote:

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.

I think you are correct.... I know for a fact that YWG has seen larger planes in the past year. Not sure about the others.

I've seen E175s on MSP-YXE, and A320s on MSP to YYC. MSP-YWG is now almost entirely A319s and CRJ-900s. I still see CRJ-900s on MSP-YYZ and MSP-YUL. Also, MSP-YVR sees 737-900ERs, though I'm not sure of that's an upgauge.

maps4ltd · Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:52 pm

Pretty rainy today. Most planes circled in a holding pattern then landed, resulting in a long line down the Mississippi corridor for the 30s around 8:30. Don't know if there were any diverts; I don't think so. Planes are coming straight in now; not too many delays.

TW870 · Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:18 pm

jrkmsp wrote:
BAINY3 wrote:
Tonight (8/28) after 11 PM, several arrivals landed on 17 and this seems to be ongoing, 9 flights and counting as I write this. Arrivals prior to 11 were landing on the 30s. Does anyone know why this is happening instead of arriving on the 12s? The weather doesn't seem to be unusual tonight. I didn't think 17 was ever used for arrivals.

MAC does a lot of runway maintenance work overnight in the summer. Could be that the 12s were out of service and with the winds, 17 was the only viable option. It's rare, but not unheard of to use 17 for landings.

Yep I asked about this up thread, and it seems like it has to be runway maintenance. They stack them up for 17 starting about 11 many nights, and I watch them come in over Cedar Avenue out the window of my apartment near Lake of the Isles. Very indicative of overnight runway work on the 12s, as this seems to happen in all weather conditions.

SteveXC500 · Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:25 pm

Delta response to SY starting MSP-SRQ

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/

lavalampluva · Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:28 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Delta response to SY starting MSP-SRQ

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/

That didn’t take long.

Antoli0794 · Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:44 pm

Will Delta expand more domestically/internationally compared to other airports? DEN, SLC, ORD, DFW, BOS,PHL come to mind where they grow year over year.

rainaviation2 · Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:37 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Delta response to SY starting MSP-SRQ

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/

That didn’t take long.

That didn't take long at all! I feel like DL has served this route before?

lavalampluva · Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:29 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
Delta response to SY starting MSP-SRQ

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/

That didn’t take long.

That didn't take long at all! I feel like DL has served this route before?

I think you’re right. It was seasonal either Saturday or Sunday. Technically SY served it before but back when they had a 727 fleet.

usflyer msp · Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:31 am

HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

thanks for this list!
I have no insight about the Canada numbers, though it must be due to some adjustments to Delta/WestJet cross border connection strategy.
Having said that, I am specifcally blown away at the Toronto number, despite non-growth!

[thanks for rubbing in that SY Cancun drop, grumble, grumble...]

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

EI is moving to D3 next month to accommodate their upcoming aircraft upgauge. I didn't think any of the D-Gates could handle widebodies but apparently they can.

jrkmsp · Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:17 am

usflyer msp wrote:
HTCone wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:

No matter the reason for the stark jump in Canada numbers, it is good to see continuing international growth at MSP! I hope to see DUB make this list next year (especially if they move to A330). Toronto has always surprised me too.

EI A332 takes over DUB MSP from the B752 from next March I believe.

EI is moving to D3 next month to accommodate their upcoming aircraft upgauge. I didn't think any of the D-Gates could handle widebodies but apparently they can.

They’re reconfiguring the gate to handle a wide body. At this dry moment, it can’t.

tys777 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:51 am

Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

DakotaFlyer · Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:15 am

tys777 wrote:
Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

Hopefully they bring this to Bemidji! However a 4 hour trip might be just a tad to far and would really hurt the local airport.

Grandforks12 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:22 am

tys777 wrote:
Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

Very interesting concept, I can't imagine the Duluth Airport likes route pax like this unless they're getting a cut of money from Sun Country. I wonder how far this could spread each direction? Alexandria to the West, Duluth to the North, Rochester to the South, and Eau Claire to the East? Wonder how this will work long term.

tys777 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:30 am

Grandforks12 wrote:
tys777 wrote:
Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

Very interesting concept, I can't imagine the Duluth Airport likes route pax like this unless they're getting a cut of money from Sun Country. I wonder how far this could spread each direction? Alexandria to the West, Duluth to the North, Rochester to the South, and Eau Claire to the East? Wonder how this will work long term.

Airport has embraced them. They have counter space inside the airport. Not sure what the fee arrangement is, but from what I've heard the airport is happy with them.

My honest opinion on why that is would be that DLH pushed hard towards the local business community and makes very little effort to market to the VFR community. I'd venture a majority of the people utilizing this wouldn't fly out of DLH. I do, but I appreciate being home 5 min after landing.

rrbsztk · Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:54 am

Grandforks12 wrote:
tys777 wrote:
Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

Very interesting concept, I can't imagine the Duluth Airport likes route pax like this unless they're getting a cut of money from Sun Country. I wonder how far this could spread each direction? Alexandria to the West, Duluth to the North, Rochester to the South, and Eau Claire to the East? Wonder how this will work long term.

Rochester might be less likely than the others. RST is really looking to expand, and not sure how much business or Mayo Clinic travel sun country could get versus the big 3 in RST or Delta in MSP. For vfr, It's only 75-90 minutes depending where in Rochester you live to MSP by car and rarely is there any traffic on the way. There's also good frequent shuttle vans with free long term parking to MSP from Rochester.

maps4ltd · Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:08 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
tys777 wrote:

Hasn't there been some up gauging on the Canadian routes? I feel like a bunch that had CR9's and E175's now have A319 service. I could easily be wrong though as I'm working off of memory.

I think you are correct.... I know for a fact that YWG has seen larger planes in the past year. Not sure about the others.

YYC has seen A319s and maybe some A320s, definitely better than the 717s. YXE may have been flown by smaller planes before going to E75s.

maps4ltd · Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:10 am

rrbsztk wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:
tys777 wrote:
Interesting. Landline shuttle company has partnered with Sun Country in Duluth and Mankato. What I'm understanding is that they will take your bag when you get on shuttle and it's considered to be checked through. Also free flight/shuttle rebooking due to irrops. I'll be honest, this could be a very interesting play on Sun Country's part. Especially as landline wants to expand to St Cloud and Brainerd.

https://landline.com/airline-partnershi ... ent=duluth

Very interesting concept, I can't imagine the Duluth Airport likes route pax like this unless they're getting a cut of money from Sun Country. I wonder how far this could spread each direction? Alexandria to the West, Duluth to the North, Rochester to the South, and Eau Claire to the East? Wonder how this will work long term.

Rochester might be less likely than the others. RST is really looking to expand, and not sure how much business or Mayo Clinic travel sun country could get versus the big 3 in RST or Delta in MSP. For vfr, It's only 75-90 minutes depending where in Rochester you live to MSP by car and rarely is there any traffic on the way. There's also good frequent shuttle vans with free long term parking to MSP from Rochester.

Yeah, I'm not sure about RST. Is Albert Lea too far? They don't have commercial service.

tys777 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:28 am

maps4ltd wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Grandforks12 wrote:

Very interesting concept, I can't imagine the Duluth Airport likes route pax like this unless they're getting a cut of money from Sun Country. I wonder how far this could spread each direction? Alexandria to the West, Duluth to the North, Rochester to the South, and Eau Claire to the East? Wonder how this will work long term.

Rochester might be less likely than the others. RST is really looking to expand, and not sure how much business or Mayo Clinic travel sun country could get versus the big 3 in RST or Delta in MSP. For vfr, It's only 75-90 minutes depending where in Rochester you live to MSP by car and rarely is there any traffic on the way. There's also good frequent shuttle vans with free long term parking to MSP from Rochester.

Yeah, I'm not sure about RST. Is Albert Lea too far? They don't have commercial service.

https://landline.com/schedule/

The bottom of that page shows future routes.

St Cloud, Brainard, Eau Claire, Lacross, Rochester, Mason City.

rrbsztk · Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:55 am

tys777 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:

Rochester might be less likely than the others. RST is really looking to expand, and not sure how much business or Mayo Clinic travel sun country could get versus the big 3 in RST or Delta in MSP. For vfr, It's only 75-90 minutes depending where in Rochester you live to MSP by car and rarely is there any traffic on the way. There's also good frequent shuttle vans with free long term parking to MSP from Rochester.

Yeah, I'm not sure about RST. Is Albert Lea too far? They don't have commercial service.

https://landline.com/schedule/

The bottom of that page shows future routes.

St Cloud, Brainard, Eau Claire, Lacross, Rochester, Mason City.

Thanks for sharing. I for some reason had in my head they were exclusively Sun Country passengers for Landline. Looking at their website they are also looking to be a typical airport shuttle as well, and definitely room in Rochester for another option, and land line does differentiate their product.

tys777 · Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:57 am

rrbsztk wrote:
tys777 wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:

Yeah, I'm not sure about RST. Is Albert Lea too far? They don't have commercial service.

https://landline.com/schedule/

The bottom of that page shows future routes.

St Cloud, Brainard, Eau Claire, Lacross, Rochester, Mason City.

Thanks for sharing. I for some reason had in my head they were exclusively Sun Country passengers for Landline. Looking at their website they are also looking to be a typical airport shuttle as well, and definitely room in Rochester for another option, and land line does differentiate their product.

Yep, they've already been operating up here for a few months. Heard some really nice things about them. We will see how sustainable two shuttle operators are in the market longterm, but the SY partnership will set them apart for sure.

Antoli0794 · Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:46 pm

Seems that PVG is still in the works but awaiting DOT approval. According to the article

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... twincities

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