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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:52 pm

No kidding. I've just never seen or noticed it around before. Now I'm connecting through MSP weekly and noticing a lot more things around the airport.
 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:10 pm

 
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:30 pm

New SY service from MSP. At this time these are strictly summer flights, nothing after August.

4/8/19 PVD 4x per week
4/11/19 EWR 4x per week. Daily starting 4/28
4/18/19 PHL 4x per week. 6x starting 6/2
4/19/19 ORD 4x per week. Daily starting 5/26
4/25/19 IAD 4x per week. 5x starting 6/2
5/23/19 SMF 4x per week
5/23/19 SAT 4x per week
6/7/19 STL 4x per week
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:19 am

Antoli0794 wrote:
Any 2018 numbers?


Not yet! Anyone think we will get a record this year again?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:21 am

lavalampluva wrote:
New SY service from MSP. At this time these are strictly summer flights, nothing after August.

4/8/19 PVD 4x per week
4/11/19 EWR 4x per week. Daily starting 4/28
4/18/19 PHL 4x per week. 6x starting 6/2
4/19/19 ORD 4x per week. Daily starting 5/26
4/25/19 IAD 4x per week. 5x starting 6/2
5/23/19 SMF 4x per week
5/23/19 SAT 4x per week
6/7/19 STL 4x per week


PVD will be interesting. The PVD-MSP routing allows for many people to connect in MSP, I will be interested to see how that route does.

All of the other make sense. Very happy to see IAD and EWR (replacing JFK) as well as ORD. Three markets that a MN based airline needs to be able to serve from MSP!
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:18 am

rainaviation wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
New SY service from MSP. At this time these are strictly summer flights, nothing after August.

4/8/19 PVD 4x per week
4/11/19 EWR 4x per week. Daily starting 4/28
4/18/19 PHL 4x per week. 6x starting 6/2
4/19/19 ORD 4x per week. Daily starting 5/26
4/25/19 IAD 4x per week. 5x starting 6/2
5/23/19 SMF 4x per week
5/23/19 SAT 4x per week
6/7/19 STL 4x per week


PVD will be interesting. The PVD-MSP routing allows for many people to connect in MSP, I will be interested to see how that route does.

All of the other make sense. Very happy to see IAD and EWR (replacing JFK) as well as ORD. Three markets that a MN based airline needs to be able to serve from MSP!

If connection times a good it should do well. SY operates out of Terminal 2 it’s easy to connect there. But gate space is getting tight. But it sounds like MAC plans on increasing the number of gates. It’s good that EI will be operating out of Terminal 1. That flight would suck up a gate for quite a while.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:32 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
If connection times a good it should do well. SY operates out of Terminal 2 it’s easy to connect there. But gate space is getting tight. But it sounds like MAC plans on increasing the number of gates. It’s good that EI will be operating out of Terminal 1. That flight would suck up a gate for quite a while.


That's what I am thinking, if you can do PVD-MSP-ANC, those types of connections, then they will do good.

Does anyone have the gate assignments for Terminal 2 and Terminal 1? I am interested to see how long Terminal 2 can operate without needing more gates with SY planning to increase by 6ish planes this year. I know there was a plan for building more gates but that doesn't happen until they finish renovating Terminal 1. Which, I saw the new F Concourse gates yesterday and they look very nice!

Yes, especially with Condor and Icelandair over at Terminal 2, that sucks up 3 gates for many hours!
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:55 pm

There is a plan for expanding T2 to maximum of 44 gates, although I don't know if there still going to do it.

Image
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:03 pm

Dfthu wrote:
There is a plan for expanding T2 to maximum of 44 gates, although I don't know if there still going to do it.

Image


The picture is actually an interim step. Eventually the terminal would make a turn and create concourse and gate space where those parking spots are depicted on the diagram. If I recall, that's in the plan for by 2035. But subject to flight demand of course.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:15 am

rainaviation wrote:
Antoli0794 wrote:
Any 2018 numbers?


Not yet! Anyone think we will get a record this year again?


I am sure that it will be a record, especially with all the extra Super Bowl and related event traffic.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:02 am

I am a bit concerned that PVG-MSP is the carrot that DL will use to move HND to another airport. The route just isn't performing all that well and was handed to DL at MSP versus AA. I just dont see us maintaining three Asian destinations.

Over the course of 2019/2020, it's going to be really interesting how the A220's function within the MSP hub. Having ridden on one, I could see the plane taking over a significant amount of flying from MSP on routes served by A319s, 717s and MD80's. Its just a great plane for our hub.

Besides the other items suggested, I really hope we can get COPA. The options to South America aren't super great. B6 to FLL would also help. I flew UA EZE-EWR-MSP Tuesday, which was fine for deep South America, however, COPA would create a great option for the southern Caribbean and Colombia/Ecuador/Costa Rica.

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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:22 am

OAG Changes for this week...

DL BWI-MSP SEP 4>3[3] OCT 4>3[3]

FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]

SY MSP-ORD APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]
SY MSP-PHL APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY MSP-PVD APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SAT MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SMF MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-STL JUN 0>0.5[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY IAD-MSP MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY EWR-MSP APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]

*Icelandair is now flying mostly 757-300's to MSP next summer which is why the reduction doesn't mean too much. This still may be in response to Aer Lingus?

*SY new adds, now the most destinations they have ever served from MSP. SY is going to need more gates at Terminal 2 soon!
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:00 am

rainaviation wrote:
OAG Changes for this week...

DL BWI-MSP SEP 4>3[3] OCT 4>3[3]

FI KEF-MSP JUL 1.5>1.0[1.5] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.6] SEP 1.3>1.0[1.2]

SY MSP-ORD APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]
SY MSP-PHL APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY MSP-PVD APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SAT MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-SMF MAY 0>0.2[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY MSP-STL JUN 0>0.5[0] JUL 0>0.5[0] AUG 0>0.4[0]
SY IAD-MSP MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.8[0] JUL 0>0.8[0] AUG 0>0.5[0]
SY EWR-MSP APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>0.6[0]

*Icelandair is now flying mostly 757-300's to MSP next summer which is why the reduction doesn't mean too much. This still may be in response to Aer Lingus?

*SY new adds, now the most destinations they have ever served from MSP. SY is going to need more gates at Terminal 2 soon!

Hopefully they’re not stretching their fleet to thin. That only causes problems. With EI using Terminal 1 will help and with only one FI flight will free up some gate space.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:03 am

I would like them to add more European routes not everything is Amsterdam and Paris, if DL saves AZ it would be excellent if any of the 2 returned the seasonal service MSP-FCO
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG
 
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:13 am

[list=][/list]
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
I would like them to add more European routes not everything is Amsterdam and Paris, if DL saves AZ it would be excellent if any of the 2 returned the seasonal service MSP-FCO

The DL flight to FCO just didn’t pan out. Maybe daily was too much.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:08 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
I would like them to add more European routes not everything is Amsterdam and Paris, if DL saves AZ it would be excellent if any of the 2 returned the seasonal service MSP-FCO


Let's not move too fast. We have MMX, ICN and DUB starting this year and most likely PVG in 2020. I don't see DL bringing back FCO, at least not for now. Wait for these adds to pan out and then add another Europe route.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:26 pm

Does anyone know of a way for a passenger to get from the secure area of terminal 2 to the secure area of terminal 1 without going through security again?

Late February I am flying into terminal 2, I have a friend flying out of terminal 1 three hours later. I would like to meet up with my friend for dinner and there would be a lot less time pressure if we could sit down after she has gone through security.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:52 pm

tn55337 Basically no. You have to leave T 2 take the light rail over to T 1. TSA may not let you pass security as you are no longer a pax.a T 1 airline
"Don't believe it unless its parked on the ramp, or printed in the schedule...SUBJECT TO CHANGE"

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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:36 pm

For those of you looking for year-end numbers, while MSP Airport hasn't published a "year-end" file, if you look at 2018 December file, the YTD numbers should be all-inclusive.

https://metroairports.org/Airport-Autho ... ports.aspx
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:48 pm

rainaviation wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
I would like them to add more European routes not everything is Amsterdam and Paris, if DL saves AZ it would be excellent if any of the 2 returned the seasonal service MSP-FCO


Let's not move too fast. We have MMX, ICN and DUB starting this year and most likely PVG in 2020. I don't see DL bringing back FCO, at least not for now. Wait for these adds to pan out and then add another Europe route.


What is this MMX? Malmo, Sweden? What airline, frequency?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:22 pm

spinotter wrote:
rainaviation wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
I would like them to add more European routes not everything is Amsterdam and Paris, if DL saves AZ it would be excellent if any of the 2 returned the seasonal service MSP-FCO


Let's not move too fast. We have MMX, ICN and DUB starting this year and most likely PVG in 2020. I don't see DL bringing back FCO, at least not for now. Wait for these adds to pan out and then add another Europe route.


What is this MMX? Malmo, Sweden? What airline, frequency?


I think he or she meant MEX which Delta is restarting this year.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:49 am

Tn55337 wrote:
Does anyone know of a way for a passenger to get from the secure area of terminal 2 to the secure area of terminal 1 without going through security again?

Late February I am flying into terminal 2, I have a friend flying out of terminal 1 three hours later. I would like to meet up with my friend for dinner and there would be a lot less time pressure if we could sit down after she has gone through security.


There is no way to go from T2 to T1 without having to go through security again. The gates at T2 and T1 are totally different secure areas. I doubt that TSA would even let you enter the secure area of T1 with a boarding pass for a T2 airline.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:50 am

klakzky123 wrote:

I think he or she meant MEX which Delta is restarting this year.


Yes, I did mean MEX, I always mess that one up!
 
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Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:40 am

rainaviation wrote:
Yes, I did mean MEX, I always mess that one up!


The ICAO code is MMMX, so you weren't all wrong.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:26 am

SteveXC500 wrote:
For those of you looking for year-end numbers, while MSP Airport hasn't published a "year-end" file, if you look at 2018 December file, the YTD numbers should be all-inclusive.

https://metroairports.org/Airport-Autho ... ports.aspx



Thanks to the Super Bowl, it only helped a little or else it would’ve of been a negative for the first time in 10 years.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:57 pm

Interesting to look at the airline breakdowns on passengers. Delta as a whole was up though, but not huge. Other big players all down... America, United, Southwest, Sun Country, Spirit... Woof.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:23 pm

MNgopher wrote:
Interesting to look at the airline breakdowns on passengers. Delta as a whole was up though, but not huge. Other big players all down... America, United, Southwest, Sun Country, Spirit... Woof.


It would also be good to have the context. Some of them are down as a result of overcapacity the prior year? Change in the market strategy? Down OPS and Avail. seats? All kinds of questions to understand the reasons for numbers changing, especially since we are seeing new routes being added in 2019.

EDIT: Thinking of WN, they dumped MKE and that would be reflected in 2018 being lower. I believe AA also dumped LAX, so that would be shown...just random thoughts.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:31 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
For those of you looking for year-end numbers, while MSP Airport hasn't published a "year-end" file, if you look at 2018 December file, the YTD numbers should be all-inclusive.

https://metroairports.org/Airport-Autho ... ports.aspx


Disappointing results. A flat passenger total in this economy is alarming. And MSP had the Super Bowl bump too.

Also alarming to see the majors besides DL shrink. Full service choices are whittling away, and the consumer will pay for it.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:28 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
SteveXC500 wrote:
For those of you looking for year-end numbers, while MSP Airport hasn't published a "year-end" file, if you look at 2018 December file, the YTD numbers should be all-inclusive.

https://metroairports.org/Airport-Autho ... ports.aspx


Disappointing results. A flat passenger total in this economy is alarming. And MSP had the Super Bowl bump too.

Also alarming to see the majors besides DL shrink. Full service choices are whittling away, and the consumer will pay for it.


Alternatively, the market may not have caught up to the level of capacity SY’s injected through the years. SY has barely been profitable through the current Golden Age, and likely would’ve lost money in several years if not for charter flying.

That MSP could support 18 peak-day flights to LAX with an average gauge of nearly 180 seats is, well, interesting... had it not been for SY’s multiple dailys, AA and UA May have stood a chance.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:32 pm

Pushing back in a crazy snow storm on DL121 to Tokyo... hats off to this amazing ground crew. Everything seems to be running fine.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:27 pm

Pudelhund wrote:
Pushing back in a crazy snow storm on DL121 to Tokyo... hats off to this amazing ground crew. Everything seems to be running fine.


Brutal weather here in upper Minnesota and Dakotas. Closed interstates, major road to FAR closed, just a mess. Yet someone very few canceled flights. Grounds crew never get enough credit for the work they must endure.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:58 pm

Official 2018 numbers are out and posted, up by 3,000 from last year so still a record-breaking year: 38,037,381

1 Delta Air Lines 26,254,595 71.39%
2 Sun Country Airlines 2,349,393 6.39%
3 American Airlines 2,103,725 5.72%
4 Southwest Airlines 1,944,336 5.29%
5 United Airlines 1,588,226 4.32%
6 Other 3,797,106 6.89%
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:45 pm

Passengers:
2017 38,034,341
2018 38,037,381 (Up 0.01%)
Operations:
2017 416,213
2018 407,476 (Down 2.10%)
Cargo:
(Up 4.29%)
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:16 pm

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rainaviation2 wrote:
Official 2018 numbers are out and posted, up by 3,000 from last year so still a record-breaking year: 38,037,381

1 Delta Air Lines 26,254,595 71.39%
2 Sun Country Airlines 2,349,393 6.39%
3 American Airlines 2,103,725 5.72%
4 Southwest Airlines 1,944,336 5.29%
5 United Airlines 1,588,226 4.32%
6 Other 3,797,106 6.89%


Kinda sad given that we hosted the Super Bowl. Had we not hosted it likely would’ve been a decent decline for the year.

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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:18 pm

OAG Changes for MSP this week...

Maybe a retaliation for AA starting service???
*DL DLH-MSP JUL 5>6[5] AUG 5>6[5] SEP 5>7[5] OCT 5>7[5]
DL MCO-MSP SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3]
DL MSP-TUL OCT 1.6>2[1.7] NOV 1.7>2[1.5]

SY ANC-MSP AUG 1.2>1.6[1.4]
SY AUS-MSP AUG 0.3>0.6[0.4]
SY BNA-MSP AUG 0.4>0.5[0]
SY BOS-MSP AUG 0.6>1.0[1.9]
SY DEN-MSP AUG 1.0>1.6[0.9]
SY EWR-MSP AUG 0.6>1.0[0]
SY IAD-MSP AUG 0.5>0.7[0]
SY LAS-MSP AUG 1.3>2[1.8] SEP 0>0.3[3]
SY LAX-MSP AUG 1.8>3[3] SEP 0>0.3[1.9]
SY MCO-MSP AUG 0.7>1.0[1.0]
SY MSP-ORD AUG 0.6>1.0[0]
SY MSP-PDX AUG 0.6>1.0[1.4]
SY MSP-PHL AUG 0.5>0.7[0]
SY MSP-PHX AUG 0>0.4[0.5]
SY MSP-PVD AUG 0.4>0.6[0]
SY MSP-RSW AUG 0.6>0.9[0.9]
SY MSP-SAN AUG 0.6>0.9[1.0]
SY MSP-SAT AUG 0.4>0.6[0]
SY MSP-SBA AUG 0.4>0.6[0.2]
SY MSP-SEA AUG 1.2>1.9[3] SEP 0>0.2[1.3]
SY MSP-SFO AUG 1.4>2[2] SEP 0>0.2[1.3]
SY MSP-SMF AUG 0.4>0.6[0]
SY MSP-STL AUG 0.4>0.6[0]
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:20 pm

FWIW, SY is starting construction soon ( next few weeks, if not days) on the "new" HQ at the old XJ hanger they now lease. Commissary has moved in after 20 some years in Mendota Heights.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:06 pm

Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:50 am

sunking737 wrote:
FWIW, SY is starting construction soon ( next few weeks, if not days) on the "new" HQ at the old XJ hanger they now lease. Commissary has moved in after 20 some years in Mendota Heights.


I am very interested to see how this year works out for SY at MSP. They are implementing a lot of new technology (or at least updated technology) such as the new IT systems, the new HQ, possibly a new terminal operator (they mentioned possibly hiring out again after the Global Aviation woes). Can't wait to see how they transform that hangar space. If passengers in MSP do not get some more automation this year I will be very upset with SY though... They need to join 2019 :)
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:05 pm

fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.

Oh don’t even go there. The DTW fan boys are very protective of that route. Besides Worcester isn’t far from BOS.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:09 pm

rainaviation2 wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
FWIW, SY is starting construction soon ( next few weeks, if not days) on the "new" HQ at the old XJ hanger they now lease. Commissary has moved in after 20 some years in Mendota Heights.


I am very interested to see how this year works out for SY at MSP. They are implementing a lot of new technology (or at least updated technology) such as the new IT systems, the new HQ, possibly a new terminal operator (they mentioned possibly hiring out again after the Global Aviation woes). Can't wait to see how they transform that hangar space. If passengers in MSP do not get some more automation this year I will be very upset with SY though... They need to join 2019 :)

Minnesotans have given SY plenty of chances. But I think their patience is wearing thin. Hopefully SY have finally got its sh*t together.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:04 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.

Oh don’t even go there. The DTW fan boys are very protective of that route. Besides Worcester isn’t far from BOS.


DL serving ORH is to curry favor with Massport the operator of both BOS and ORH. The airport has horrible access via roads too though it is probably a better option that taking 90 to BOS or PVD/BDL for many people.

I don't why they are so protective of the route. Is there some massive business deal with Polar Seltzer with Detroit?
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:31 pm

fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.


IIRC, NW did PWM-MSP for just one season... on a CR2 (ugh). Why do you think those destinations would be better served out of MSP than DTW?
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:16 am

rainaviation2 wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
FWIW, SY is starting construction soon ( next few weeks, if not days) on the "new" HQ at the old XJ hanger they now lease. Commissary has moved in after 20 some years in Mendota Heights.


I am very interested to see how this year works out for SY at MSP. They are implementing a lot of new technology (or at least updated technology) such as the new IT systems, the new HQ, possibly a new terminal operator (they mentioned possibly hiring out again after the Global Aviation woes). Can't wait to see how they transform that hangar space. If passengers in MSP do not get some more automation this year I will be very upset with SY though... They need to join 2019 :)


Ground handling at MSP is done by DGS now. The updated res system, Navitare, should enable a lot more self-service including checking in online/mobile without a paid seat assignment and better self-options in IROPS like self-rebooking and cancellation/refund options. Also kiosks will be returning,which should speed up airport check-in.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:00 pm

nws2002 wrote:
rainaviation2 wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
FWIW, SY is starting construction soon ( next few weeks, if not days) on the "new" HQ at the old XJ hanger they now lease. Commissary has moved in after 20 some years in Mendota Heights.


I am very interested to see how this year works out for SY at MSP. They are implementing a lot of new technology (or at least updated technology) such as the new IT systems, the new HQ, possibly a new terminal operator (they mentioned possibly hiring out again after the Global Aviation woes). Can't wait to see how they transform that hangar space. If passengers in MSP do not get some more automation this year I will be very upset with SY though... They need to join 2019 :)


Ground handling at MSP is done by DGS now. The updated res system, Navitare, should enable a lot more self-service including checking in online/mobile without a paid seat assignment and better self-options in IROPS like self-rebooking and cancellation/refund options. Also kiosks will be returning,which should speed up airport check-in.


Ah! Never heard that news, hopefully DGS can swing around the baggage woes at T2 because on every recent flight I have taken with SY, time at baggage claim is horrible! I didn't know this until I just looked it up, but apparently SY Ramp Agents get SY and DL flight privileges, that there seems like it would be enough to get the correct number of staff. Yes, those self-service options should help speed things up too, check-in lines have been all the way back to baggage claim recently.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:15 pm

I’m excited for the Asia routes. In uni, I could be sitting in a class after lunch and hear the NRT-MSP flight on final. My girlfriend (now wife) flew the KIX-MSP flight several times.

I wish the ICN was on KE; certainly make the apron interesting.

I look forward to how the aircraft rotation will be.
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:13 am

centrair wrote:
I’m excited for the Asia routes. In uni, I could be sitting in a class after lunch and hear the NRT-MSP flight on final. My girlfriend (now wife) flew the KIX-MSP flight several times.

I wish the ICN was on KE; certainly make the apron interesting.

I look forward to how the aircraft rotation will be.


Yes, ICN on KE would be nice, but I am going to just imagine the 777 is in KE colors and not DL and just be happy that we have a flight to ICN :)
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:54 am

fsafsx wrote:
Theres a lot of routes that Delta is missing out on out of Minneapolis. I wonder why they don't do Portland Maine, Providence, Burlington, White Plains, Elmira, Harrisburg, Greenville, Greensboro, Birmingham, Sarasota and Myrtle Beach. They would do well on all of these routes. Why did Delta have to chose Detroit to fly to Worcester? I think Minneapolis would have been a better addition since there is plenty of more flying to the western part of the us.


Feel free to disagree, but I've always seen the United hub at Denver as MSP's closest peer competitor, and I feel like there has been some degree of stagnation in terms of domestic coverage. Over the next few months, United will be flying to 17 new markets from Denver; Delta's adding a grand total of 3 new markets from MSP. I'll grant you that Seoul is bigger than anything United's doing at Denver, and that there are a not insignificant amount of weekend and seasonal flying, but what United's doing definitely feels more dynamic. While MSP's still beating Denver in international service quality to Europe and Asia, the gap's narrowing there too. It's the same story at O'Hare; American's doing 11 new destinations and United's adding 9 routes.

On the whole, I think it says more about Delta's systemwide strategy: Atlanta's adding a whole 3 destinations, Detroit picks up 5, Salt Lake City up 2, Los Angeles and JFK add nothing, and only Boston seems to be going gangbusters with 7 new markets. Rather measured growth on the whole compared to what's going on elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see what happens going forward.
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Looks like all MD-90s are gone after May. Will be a lot less interesting at MSP this summer, nothing but 737s and A320 series aircraft (with the odd 717 here and there).

Jeremy
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:26 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Looks like all MD-90s are gone after May. Will be a lot less interesting at MSP this summer, nothing but 737s and A320 series aircraft (with the odd 717 here and there).

Jeremy


Will definitely miss those MD-90s, but you forgot about the daily 757s to LAX/ATL/MCO/SEA in the summer, those 757-300s are hard to miss!
 
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Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:29 pm

Feb. is officially the snowiest month ever in Minneapolis with more trouble at MSP today. Flights were temporarily halted due to low visibility and many are delayed, canceled, or being diverted.

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