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Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:50 am

Continuation thread for 2019. "Hawaii airports..." in the topic title reflects usage (in Hawaii) of "Hawaii" as an adjective (rather than Hawaiian), and to avoid confusion with HA.

The big non-news is that WN did not begin ticket sales by year-end 2018 for service to Hawaii. The delay in sales is probably a result of the delay in ETOPS certification.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:16 pm

HA's last B767 flight is today, 07 Jan. 2019.
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Was just in HNL for the holidays and wondering if there are any plans to replace any of the terminals/concourses? The HNL facilities are some of the worst I have ever been in. I was mainly in the main terminal and United's G gates. It looks like they are doing work there but I think the whole place needs a bulldozer.

On the other side of the pond, UA's renovations at LAX were fantastic!

BTW, glad to see that they are building a consolidated rental car facility, the current setup is terrible.
 
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:40 pm

HI DOT refuses to let airlines pretty-up the gate areas and concourses like they do in other parts of the world, they want to keep everything common use.

If you follow the construction of light rail, then you'll understand WHY HNL is in such bad shape. With luck, your great great grandchildren will finally have a facility up to par with LAX (of today).
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:14 am

United787 wrote:
Was just in HNL for the holidays and wondering if there are any plans to replace any of the terminals/concourses? The HNL facilities are some of the worst I have ever been in. I was mainly in the main terminal and United's G gates. It looks like they are doing work there but I think the whole place needs a bulldozer.

On the other side of the pond, UA's renovations at LAX were fantastic!

BTW, glad to see that they are building a consolidated rental car facility, the current setup is terrible.


Flew through HNL last October (2017) and there was a big display on the complete redo of HNL. Looked great, not sure if it's still on track on or not. Like most of Honolulu itself, HNL is TIRED. It needs a redo. But yet...I have so many memories of the airport as it is now, flying through there as a kid a lot. Love the open air walkways, smelling the plumeria flowers, the tropical feel...one of my favorite airports for just that reason.
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:31 pm

SY adds SFO/HNL to service from LAX and PDX.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/01/ ... s-flights/

Gotta be some grumbling at WN.
 
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So it's 2019, and still no WN? What's the latest on them?
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:11 pm

WN is waiting for ETOPS certification.
SY has had ETOPS certification for several years for its charter ops, LAX/HNL and PDX/HNL.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:16 pm

I felt the entire HNL airport was dated, at least the Delta terminal I was in this past April. The Delta Sky Club is small and outdated as well with terrible restrooms.
 
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:43 pm

The Sky Club at HNL may be small compared to A and E terminal clubs at ATL, but name another Sky Club, or any airline club, with full height, real koa paneling and koa furniture. Originally built and operated by CO. Yes, the lavs are undersized for rush hours, but I'll take that tradeoff any day.

As for HNL terminal as a whole... stuck in a time warp with the Wiki buses... but from that came Wikipedia and all the other wikis.

All gates at HNL are shared except in Terminal 1 (HA) and "Terminal 3" (MW). There is no "Delta terminal" per se.
 
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EA CO AS wrote:
So it's 2019, and still no WN? What's the latest on them?

Heard for short term due construction WN flights will arrive at T1 in HNL and Departure T3 ramp side gates. Until construction is finished on a baggage claim area for the ramp side gates.
I this will hold up Inter Island service until at least fall or first quarter 2020 since construction is behind 6mo on the HNL terminal projects.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:21 am

wnflyguy wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
So it's 2019, and still no WN? What's the latest on them?

Heard for short term due construction WN flights will arrive at T1 in HNL and Departure T3 ramp side gates. Until construction is finished on a baggage claim area for the ramp side gates.
I this will hold up Inter Island service until at least fall or first quarter 2020 since construction is behind 6mo on the HNL terminal projects.

Flyguy

WN will be using the area that was originally constructed for Island Air in T2. It is at the far end of the Diamond Head Concourse "G" under Gate G6 (formerly gate 6). There are covered walkways heading out to hardstands (between T2 and Mokulele's T3) where the aircraft will park (boarding by stairs/ramps; no jet ways). I heard there will be space for five 737s. Check in will be in T2, Lobby 5. The work on the gate areas for WN are mostly complete. Recently, someone posted pics somewhere of the numbered boarding lineup posts installed, as well as their baggage desk in baggage areas and some signage installed at neighbor island airports.

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:59 am

aloha73g wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
So it's 2019, and still no WN? What's the latest on them?

Heard for short term due construction WN flights will arrive at T1 in HNL and Departure T3 ramp side gates. Until construction is finished on a baggage claim area for the ramp side gates.
I this will hold up Inter Island service until at least fall or first quarter 2020 since construction is behind 6mo on the HNL terminal projects.

Flyguy

WN will be using the area that was originally constructed for Island Air in T2. It is at the far end of the Diamond Head Concourse "G" under Gate G6 (formerly gate 6). There are covered walkways heading out to hardstands (between T2 and Mokulele's T3) where the aircraft will park (boarding by stairs/ramps; no jet ways). I heard there will be space for five 737s. Check in will be in T2, Lobby 5. The work on the gate areas for WN are mostly complete. Recently, someone posted pics somewhere of the numbered boarding lineup posts installed, as well as their baggage desk in baggage areas and some signage installed at neighbor island airports.

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It’s not as if passengers will have to contend with any weather, other than the occasional makai shower. I expect they will use boarding ramps like they do in Kona?, IIRC those are covered. I expect WN will find success in the Hawaiian Islands. In PDX we enjoy SY, who keeps fares low on AS & HA, WN will do that at first & I fully expect WN to not always be the lowest priced option consistently & that will lance what I think, are people’s great expectations.
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:59 am

Just got back from OGG and looks like the CONRAC is just about completed.
Itʻs huuuge (looks like it has more total square footage than the whole terminal), but they did a good job of building it below ground so itʻs not too imposing.

They are already doing test runs for the new electric tram system from the CONRAC to the baggage claim.
Wish I took a picture.
Got me wondering how long the tram is gonna be in working condition. Hawaii airports are so poorly maintained it seems that all the escalators and moving walkways are always out of order.
 
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:54 am

I've never seen a "covered boarding ramp" at any airport in Hawaii... but really, that boils down to KOA, which has no jetways. No service to MKK or MUE that needs a ramp.
 
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I've never seen a "covered boarding ramp" at any airport in Hawaii... but really, that boils down to KOA, which has no jetways. No service to MKK or MUE that needs a ramp.


MKK is the same place I first went to in 1979 on a TS 737-200. Our flight was the biggest thing I’ve ever seen there, until I got to fly HA HNL-LNY-MKK on a DC-9-50. The flight LNY-MKK was less than ten minutes & the shortest jet flight I’ve flown, shortest flight was JHM-OGG on WP. I flew my only SD-330 & Dash-7 to or from MKK. Best airport in Hawaii, IMHO. It’s old & the map of the island on the wall by the arrival gate, chain link gate area IIRC is purely Kitsch.
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MKK is one of a kind. Hasn't seen mainline in 20 years or so.
 
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MKK is one of a kind. Hasn't seen mainline in 20 years or so.


Honestly, I doubt it’ll change, there is no reason. If it can handle a mainline jet, it’ll handle anything that flies there currently. Last I was there was Nov 2012 & we took a day trip from Maui. It was the morning after MW put down a caravan on the Highway near Makena, the pilot did an excellent job, they ran outta fuel & all passengers, shaken but not broken. Pilot even chocked the wheels. I read the article in the waiting area for our Caravan to MKK.

On the return at MKK, I took a photo of a Makana Kai Airlines (I may have misspelled that name please correct me, if I am) caravan, it ended up being the caravan that pitched in the ocean just off of Molokai & sadly one lady that worked for the state perished, purely coincidental those incidents happened so close together in 2012 & while we were vacationing.

If I could find an affordable way to live on the Big Island I’d be moved in & ready to live out my years on a rather large rock, with smaller rocks to visit & fly every route I haven’t flown. KOA-LIH is next up.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:14 pm

The rock will be waiting for you. :D
Hilo will be the same.
Kona will not be the same.

It's Makani Kai. https://www.makanikaiair.com/
I've been the only pax HNL/MKK several times on Makani Kai (they aren't members of IATA... no code) . It's fun trying to talk the pilot out of doing the emergency briefing. The pilot ALWAYS does it.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:15 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Heard for short term due construction WN flights will arrive at T1 in HNL and Departure T3 ramp side gates. Until construction is finished on a baggage claim area for the ramp side gates. I this will hold up Inter Island service until at least fall or first quarter 2020 since construction is behind 6mo on the HNL terminal projects.
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I'm a little suspicious of this rumor. It better hold up ALL service, because what a disaster that will be, if it proves true. This means squeezing WN into an already overcrowded facility, then towing their planes to the complete opposite side of the airport, against traffic flow on very heavily used taxiways.
 
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:32 pm

azjubilee wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Heard for short term due construction WN flights will arrive at T1 in HNL and Departure T3 ramp side gates. Until construction is finished on a baggage claim area for the ramp side gates. I this will hold up Inter Island service until at least fall or first quarter 2020 since construction is behind 6mo on the HNL terminal projects.
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I'm a little suspicious of this rumor. It better hold up ALL service, because what a disaster that will be, if it proves true. This means squeezing WN into an already overcrowded facility, then towing their planes to the complete opposite side of the airport, against traffic flow on very heavily used taxiways.

It would make absolutely no sense to do this, so I don't think it will happen. What would be the purpose other than to make it difficult for WN? There are no customs issues that would require arriving in a specific area. All gates at HNL are common use and capable of handling domestic arrivals AND departures, and we know WN is not known for excessive ground time between flights.

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Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:26 pm

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The rock will be waiting for you. :D
Hilo will be the same.
Kona will not be the same.

It's Makani Kai. https://www.makanikaiair.com/
I've been the only pax HNL/MKK several times on Makani Kai (they aren't members of IATA... no code) . It's fun trying to talk the pilot out of doing the emergency briefing. The pilot ALWAYS does it.


I hope it does, I just bought a bigger house, allowing my folks to live with us. But I need to purchase my retirement property now. I think next year I want to look up Kohala for a condo, it’ll just be the two of us, so a two bedroom will do. I want to get in before it gets more expensive. My other thought is up country Kamuela.

Makani Kai air, what keeps them in business? I looked for them on my Sabre & couldn’t find them so no IATA code makes sense. It’s funny you’ve had that experience with them. It didn’t seem like many people were on the arrival that I witnessed at MKK, while we waited to go back to OGG after a day trip.
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Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:06 pm

RWA380 wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
MKK is one of a kind. Hasn't seen mainline in 20 years or so.


Honestly, I doubt it’ll change, there is no reason. If it can handle a mainline jet, it’ll handle anything that flies there currently. Last I was there was Nov 2012 & we took a day trip from Maui. It was the morning after MW put down a caravan on the Highway near Makena, the pilot did an excellent job, they ran outta fuel & all passengers, shaken but not broken. Pilot even chocked the wheels. I read the article in the waiting area for our Caravan to MKK.

On the return at MKK, I took a photo of a Makana Kai Airlines (I may have misspelled that name please correct me, if I am) caravan, it ended up being the caravan that pitched in the ocean just off of Molokai & sadly one lady that worked for the state perished, purely coincidental those incidents happened so close together in 2012 & while we were vacationing.


The MW Maui incident was actually a fault of the engine over haul facility, apparently there were glass beads in the engine still. Plane also had 2 pilots. After that incident, MW changed their ops specs to a dual pilot operation (mandatory).
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:02 am

If you are TSA-Pre and use T2 at HNL, the only operating TSA-Pre is at the T2 central checkpoint (until the fed shutdown is over).
 
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[quote="RWA380"][quote="WPvsMW"]The rock will be waiting for you. :D
Hilo will be the same.
Kona will not be the same.

I hope it does, I just bought a bigger house, allowing my folks to live with us. But I need to purchase my retirement property now. I think next year I want to look up Kohala for a condo, it’ll just be the two of us, so a two bedroom will do. I want to get in before it gets more expensive. My other thought is up country Kamuela.



Dry side Kamuela :smile:
 
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Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:36 pm

Nob Hill has a few vacant parcels, even today.
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:35 pm

WN's terminal at HNL. WN "plans to fly to Hawaii from the California cities of San Diego, Oakland, San Jose and Sacramento and then add interisland routes that include Maui, Hawaii island and Kauai."

"improvements to the G-gates will accommodate the arrival of new airlines, including Southwest. The new waiting area will feature charging stations, rest- rooms, an escalator and an elevator. A Starbucks and Kona Brewery will be among the dining and shopping choices.

Upon approval, Southwest is slated to use G-gates 7-10 and baggage claims 26-31 in the Diamond Head Concourse in Terminal 2. The Southwest Airlines ticket lobby, which was paid for by the carrier, will be in Lobby 6 in Terminal 2. Southwest also intends to use its own funds to complete ticket counter and office space improvements at Kahului Airport, Ellison Onizuka Kona International Airport at Keahole, and Lihue Airport.

... the four new G-gates will bring the Honolulu airport’s gate count to 58. Gate capacity will grow further when the state completes the Mauka Concourse, which is expected to be a $200 million project.

...the Mauka Concourse, which is slated to be completed at the end of 2020, could add six wide-body airplane gates, 11 narrow-body airplane gates or a combination."

Wide body gates in the Mauka Concourse! Interisland checkin on WN in Terminal 2, Lobby 6, which will avoid the jams at Terminal 1 Lobby.

I suspect WN will move to the Mauka Concourse when it is completed.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/ ... 1036ffedc2
 
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I think HA will remain as the only occupant of T1, including the Mauka Concourse. The new gates there for HA will open up more space in C, D and E for everyone else.

For WN's sake I hope they don't move to the Mauka Concourse ... they are not adding any lobby space so the security and check-in fiasco that T1 currently has is not going to be getting any better.

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I think HA will remain as the only occupant of T1, including the Mauka Concourse. The new gates there for HA will open up more space in C, D and E for everyone else.

For WN's sake I hope they don't move to the Mauka Concourse ... they are not adding any lobby space so the security and check-in fiasco that T1 currently has is not going to be getting any better.

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"The new gates there for HA will open up more space in C, D and E for everyone else." I forgot "no lobby space" in the Mauka Concourse... so you are right. WN will move to the gates in Terminal 2 that HA vacates. Perhaps MW and Makani Air will move to the G-gate terminal, or maybe some "new airline" alluded to by the Airports Div. guy.
 
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I think HA will remain as the only occupant of T1, including the Mauka Concourse. The new gates there for HA will open up more space in C, D and E for everyone else.

For WN's sake I hope they don't move to the Mauka Concourse ... they are not adding any lobby space so the security and check-in fiasco that T1 currently has is not going to be getting any better.

-Aloha!


"The new gates there for HA will open up more space in C, D and E for everyone else." I forgot "no lobby space" in the Mauka Concourse... so you are right. WN will move to the gates in Terminal 2 that HA vacates. Perhaps MW and Makani Air will move to the G-gate terminal, or maybe some "new airline" alluded to by the Airports Div. guy.


If I was WN I would stay in the new G gates ... though they are "far" from the check in lobbies (still closer than C-whatever ... old gate 34 that HA uses) ... they have sort of back-doored themselves into a "dedicated" gate space situation even though all airport gates in Hawai'i are common use (even HA's gates in T1). The new G gates allow them to have their boarding columns set up "permanently" which wouldn't be possible anywhere else at HNL.

Personally, I am super excited to board & deplane via stairs/ramp, front & back. Besides KOA, there are few opportunities these days for that experience.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:05 am

If you like stairs, try AA B777s ex-MAD. Plenty of open gates, but no..., it was a bus to a remote stand and stairs. The only time I've seen stairs used for a triple 7.

The Ewa Conourse has wikibus service, so even C34 could be quicker than G gates.
Also, how will WN handle getting disabled pax to/from T2? WN will need at least one ramp at G for wheelchairs.
 
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If you like stairs, try AA B777s ex-MAD. Plenty of open gates, but no..., it was a bus to a remote stand and stairs. The only time I've seen stairs used for a triple 7.

The Ewa Conourse has wikibus service, so even C34 could be quicker than G gates.
Also, how will WN handle getting disabled pax to/from T2? WN will need at least one ramp at G for wheelchairs.


HNL forward boarding will be a swing Ramp no different than they currently use in BUR & LGB.
The aft loading will just be air stairs.

For the Proving flights getting the Ramps ready wasn't required since all 26 souls on board were without any wheelchair assistance needed.

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https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/ ... t-arrival/

Brief video showing the Southwest gates at HNL. Also some footage of the Southwest test flight
 
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Anyone know what gate or gates WN will be using in OGG?
Some rumors about WN paying for renovations behind gates 35/39 to have 2 dedicated hard stand gates on the seldom used commuter ramp.

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WN's Station Manager at OGG (Del Tauaese, https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/02/ ... 1036ffedc2 ) would know if anyone does.
 
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:27 pm

Kelly wants to add LAS/HNL next.
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"Hawaii" leaves the door open for LAS/OGG and LAS/LIH.
 
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WN confirms interisland competition with HA.
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The AS guy stating “It’s never worked with two [carriers interisland]. There’s a reason that Hawaiian flies the airplane that they do.” Clearly sour grapes... ignores decades of AQ and HA.
 
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United787 wrote:
Was just in HNL for the holidays and wondering if there are any plans to replace any of the terminals/concourses? The HNL facilities are some of the worst I have ever been in. I was mainly in the main terminal and United's G gates. It looks like they are doing work there but I think the whole place needs a bulldozer.

On the other side of the pond, UA's renovations at LAX were fantastic!

BTW, glad to see that they are building a consolidated rental car facility, the current setup is terrible.


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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:01 pm

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I felt the entire HNL airport was dated, at least the Delta terminal I was in this past April. The Delta Sky Club is small and outdated as well with terrible restrooms.


Our family found the airport easy to use and very nice for a short stay...no problems whatsoever.....
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:21 am

uconn99 wrote:
The Delta Sky Club is small and outdated as well with terrible restrooms.


Yeah, DL has dragged their feet on the restroom upgrade at HNL ... but the rest of the Sky Club is unique, esp. if you know all the staff. Like family. I'll take the solid koa paneled walls, and staff, over steel and glass at any other US lounge, except the Admirals Club, DFW C terminal as to design and furnishings. It's hard to be objective, however, because of decades of knowing the staff.
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:30 pm

WN's sales of Hawaii service (OAK/OGG and SJC/HNL) started. Intro fare: $49 OW
Including HNL/OGG 4x daily!! Intro fare: $29 OW.
HNL/KOA to start in May, but silent on CONUS/KOA.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/ ... his-month/

Will HA match? Do they have any choice?
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:12 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
WN confirms interisland competition with HA.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/ ... tive-says/

The AS guy stating “It’s never worked with two [carriers interisland]. There’s a reason that Hawaiian flies the airplane that they do.” Clearly sour grapes... ignores decades of AQ and HA.


I think the AS CCO is on to something. Remember that AQ and HA were in a fare war interisland that bankrupted both airlines in the early to mid 2000s. It’s also important to note that historically, most people flew into HNL and connected to the neighbor islands which could sustain more than one carrier. Once airlines starting flying directly into OGG, KOA and LIH the demand interisland dipped making a two carrier market unsustainable.

There is nothing stopping AS, AA, DL or UA from starting interisland ops. Though I’d argue the fact none of them have ventured into the market is telling, especially because all 4 of the aforementioned carriers have RJs at their disposal.

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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:43 pm

WN "EIS" for Hawaii:

>> Oakland, Calif., and Honolulu, March 17

>> Oakland and Kahului, April 7

>> San Jose, Calif., and Honolulu, May 5

>> San Jose and Kahului, May 26

>> Honolulu and Kahului, April 28 (four round trips daily)

>> Honolulu and Kona, May 12 (four round trips daily)

>> Oakland and Kona, May 12 (connecting via Honolulu)

>> San Jose and Kona, May 12 (connecting via Honolulu)

>> Service announcements are expected for San Diego, Sacramento and Lihue in the coming weeks.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/ ... 35678a2b1f
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:10 pm

WN expansion of HI service with MAX 8s outlined.

“'We usually try to do four to six months of sales (before launching a new route),” he said. “This was unique to us. We’ve never announced or launched service this quickly.'

What will allow Southwest to reach more distant mainland cities is the addition of fuel-efficient 737 MAX 8 aircraft, which Southwest will use to replace its 737-800s later this year or early next year, Hawkins said.

There are 17 cities Southwest serves west of the Rockies that it hasn’t connected Hawaii to yet.

They include San Francisco, Burbank, Los Angeles, Ontario, Long Beach, and Orange County in California; Portland, Ore.; Seattle; Spokane, Wash.; Boise, Idaho; Reno and Las Vegas in Nevada; Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.; Denver; Albuquerque, N.M.; and Salt Lake City."

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/03/ ... e45955f8e6
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:05 pm

 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:33 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
There are 17 cities Southwest serves west of the Rockies that it hasn’t connected Hawaii to yet.

They include San Francisco, Burbank, Los Angeles, Ontario, Long Beach, and Orange County in California; Portland, Ore.; Seattle; Spokane, Wash.; Boise, Idaho; Reno and Las Vegas in Nevada; Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.; Denver; Albuquerque, N.M.; and Salt Lake City."


WN will very likely be offering connections in both directions to Hawaii from LAX and ONT through SJC once it starts nonstop service to Hawaii from SJC. Even a 12:30 PM departure to SJC from HNL will get you into SJC in enough time to be able to make a connection onto the last SJC-LAX and SJC-ONT flights of the day.
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:34 am

STOP THE PRESSES ! ! ! How does the grounding of all MAX 8s affect Southwest's new service to & in Hawaii?

rbavfan wrote:
The pond is the Atlantic


You are so right! I am from Kentucky. My wife is from Ohio. When we are in Alaska, we are from "The Lower 48". In Hawaii, we are from "The Mainland". I guess it's good to keep track of who you are & what you are as long as you remember where you are!
"Your talents may take you where your character can not keep you." - Terry Nelson
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:53 am

SkyVoice wrote:
STOP THE PRESSES ! ! ! How does the grounding of all MAX 8s affect Southwest's new service to & in Hawaii?


It doesn't (why are you yelling?).

The MAX isn't slated to enter HI service for many months - probably next year. The etops -800 NG's are earmarked for HI, so any hits from the MAX grounding will only be felt stateside.
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:05 am

barney, do you think the need for WN to replace Max 8s (while grounded) with NGs on its CONUS routes will delay startup of routes to and within Hawaii?
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:12 am

OGG is gonna get its first 787-9 today... AC 537 is inbound from YVR
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