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WPvsMW wrote:You're right. I've flown in Makani Kai's Grand Caravan HNL/MKK... yes, it's a single. My point about the Grand Caravan to HPV is that I assume reduced payload with a single, so yields must be worse that with the Chieftain. Otherwise, why wouldn't they fly the C208?
WPvsMW wrote:Makani Kai (non-member of IATA, no code) will launch HNL/HPV (Princeville, N. shore of Kauai) service on 01 May 2019 operating its 9-pax Piper Chieftain piston twins. By inference, their Cessna Grand Caravan twins can't operate from the 3,560 ft. strip at HPV with acceptable yields.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/04/ ... u-flights/
https://www.kitv.com/story/40325224/kau ... r-20-years
HPV was originally the home of Princeville Airways, which evolved into Island Air (RIP 2017), but stopped service to HPV almost 25 years ago. With the frequent closures of Prince Kuhio Hwy due to accidents, and the growth of Princeville development, the HNL/HPV service may survive.
vfw614 wrote:What use has HPV seen since the departure of scheduled services? Very little information on the airport available on the internet.
wnflyguy wrote:I recently just got home from my first WN HNL trip thanks to the cheap kick off fare sale. While in HNL I hooked up with a long ago WN friend to discuss all things HNL.
He said they were told recently because of the MAX8 grounding SMF-HNL and SMF-OGG starts in the first week of August.
Inter island HNL-LIH sometime in Early October.
HNL-SAN and OGG-SAN in Mid November.
Everything else pushed to spring & summer 2020.
The MAX8 grounding pushed a massive summer expansion from 2019 into 2020.
He didn't have any information on when anything would go on sale.
But given that HNL-OGG starts on Sunday I'm gonna guess something will be announced during the service kickoff ceremony in HNL.
Flyguy
Justjoshua wrote:I work for southwest. Nobody has told us anything about SMF Hawaii service being delayed until 2020. Your friend is telling u rumors
WPvsMW wrote:NH commenced (24 May 2019) regular service, HNL/TYO, on Honu (A380 in sea turtle livery).
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/05/ ... and-tokyo/
HNL has NH's only NH-operated overseas lounge (F pax only). The mediocre UA/NH joint lounge will remain open.
ANA will add a second A380 to the Hawaii market in July and a third in July of 2020.
WPvsMW wrote:First... the easy question to answer. NH's target market is nihonjin, all of whom are certified operators of bidet toilets... even inakajin (country folk, some of whom went from squat toilets to bidet toilets).
The tougher question is the one you raised, cabin configuration on the Honu. My personal opinion is that NH is out to totally dominate TYO/HNL in a fare war after all three Honu are in operation. If NH's planners are correct, matching CASM with LF, they will succeed, to the detriment of JL, UA, DL, and HA in that city-pair. If there is a Plan B (JFK/LAX/LHR), I don't think we'll see it for a few years. Here's where it gets curiouser and curiouser... NH is selling J and F at astronomical fares... $10K for J and $15K for F.... 3 months advance. Y is $1K and W is $1.6K... about average. Could the F and J pricing be intended get *A elites to burn miles and certs?
highflier92660 wrote:Why doesn't Ohana (by Hawaiian) fly into Princeville with their ATR42-500s? The regional turboprop has the capability to use the short 3,560 ft. runway although its 60 ft. width might make for a tight turning radius. One would think the number of luxury resorts around Princeville would more than fill the seats with premium passengers connecting from HNL.
highflier92660 wrote:Both Ohana's ATR42-500s and Island Air's DHC8-100s that used to land in Princeville are dual wheel aircraft. At the low gross weights flown on the short interisland route both aircraft are below the weight bearing capacity of the runway. Both the aircraft and adequacy of the airport facility are not issues so it's a bit of a mystery why a larger, more premium passenger friendly aircraft is not used.
CanesFan wrote:highflier92660 wrote:I'm aware that the ATR and Dash are both dual wheel aircraft. The single wheel weight limit is the only one published. When did either the ATR or Dash-8 serve Princeville? The largest airliner I can recall was the Twin Otter.
WPvsMW wrote:No FAA a/c registration, no skydiving ops certificate or lease from state DOT AptDiv, or employee documentation for the "parachute rigging" company behind the fatal crash.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/07/ ... f46e9fa9ed
IMO, "fly by night" doesn't capture the gross negligence/willful intent of the operator in this fact pattern.
If VIN numbers are checked in an auto inspection, one would hope that tail numbers are checked in an a/c inspection. Wait.... that assumes the a/c was inspected.
WPvsMW wrote:WN's sales for its new CONUS routes (SMF/HNL, OAK/KOA, and SJC/LIH) and interisland routes (HNL/ITO, HNL/LIH, and ... KOA/OGG!!!) begin today (15 Aug 2019). Operation of those segments starts 19 Jan.2019... all without a base in HNL, and TMK, not even a RON. Sales also start today for OAK/LIH and SJC/KOA (ops start Jan. 21).
SAN/HNL planned for 1H2020.
"Interisland sales prices for travel through March 4 start at $29 one-way. Special trans-Pacific pricing starts at $99 each way. * * * Once we see what California does, we’ll see if we want to move further inland,” Watterson said."
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/08/ ... n-january/
HA's interisland fares on routes it shares with WN are now about half the fare prior to WN's entry.
ikramerica wrote:So more money losing prices locals will call fair. Then HA will go under and everyone will cry again. The cycle repeats.
x1234 wrote:Any chance of Hawaiian with its new 787's offering service to GUM (Guam) to compete with UA!? Or service to Asian cities like HKG (when it calms down again) or SIN!? I know HA suspended service to TPE and PEK. It would be great for HA to try SIN as its a strategic port of the US Military and Singapore's in the VISA Waiver Program.
hawaiian717 wrote:x1234 wrote:Any chance of Hawaiian with its new 787's offering service to GUM (Guam) to compete with UA!? Or service to Asian cities like HKG (when it calms down again) or SIN!? I know HA suspended service to TPE and PEK. It would be great for HA to try SIN as its a strategic port of the US Military and Singapore's in the VISA Waiver Program.
I don’t see the 787 going to Guam. I expect the 787 will initially be deployed on the longest routes and extending the network to places a bit beyond the A330s reach. The A330 can comfortably do HNL-GUM; I’m not sure about the A321neo (which feels to me like the perfect plane to open more island markets) but maybe the A321XLR (which Hawaiian hasn’t ordered).
77H wrote:hawaiian717 wrote:x1234 wrote:Any chance of Hawaiian with its new 787's offering service to GUM (Guam) to compete with UA!? Or service to Asian cities like HKG (when it calms down again) or SIN!? I know HA suspended service to TPE and PEK. It would be great for HA to try SIN as its a strategic port of the US Military and Singapore's in the VISA Waiver Program.
I don’t see the 787 going to Guam. I expect the 787 will initially be deployed on the longest routes and extending the network to places a bit beyond the A330s reach. The A330 can comfortably do HNL-GUM; I’m not sure about the A321neo (which feels to me like the perfect plane to open more island markets) but maybe the A321XLR (which Hawaiian hasn’t ordered).
My understanding is that there is some sort of gentlemen’s agreement between UA and HA that keeps them from starting GUM in exchange for UA staying out of the Hawaiian inter island market. Maybe someone has more insight.
77H