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Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:26 pm

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My understanding is that there is some sort of gentlemen’s agreement between UA and HA that keeps them from starting GUM in exchange for UA staying out of the Hawaiian inter island market. Maybe someone has more insight.

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Unfortunately that would garner the interest of the U.S. Department of Justice and also the U.S. Department of Transportation. (anti-trust)
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:07 pm

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As far as the government contracts, remember those are rebid every year, so there is a chance for HA to grab GUM contracts from UA should HA decide to start flying to GUM. For fiscal year 2020, for example, SAN-HNL is Southwest. Those only apply to government personnel (including military when flying on scheduled flights); contractors traveling on government business would still fly according to their company policies.


Well that's all true of course. Maybe HA will bid at some point. I'm not familiar with the process...do they have to have existing service to put in a bid, or can they bid with the contingency that IF they win THEN they'd start the service?
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:12 pm

usxguy wrote:
77H wrote:
My understanding is that there is some sort of gentlemen’s agreement between UA and HA that keeps them from starting GUM in exchange for UA staying out of the Hawaiian inter island market. Maybe someone has more insight.

77H


Unfortunately that would garner the interest of the U.S. Department of Justice and also the U.S. Department of Transportation. (anti-trust)


Quite so; collusion!!
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:37 am

WN's unexpected success in the Hawaii market (interisland and CONUS) is quickly and "persuasively" forcing HA's hand. HA must act to counter revenue erosion, and that means, IMO, more service to the South Pacific, not Asia. I predict the B789s will be used not only to increase frequency HNL/PPT, but also to add more S. Pacific destinations ex-HNL, maybe some island-hoppers tagged on the long-haul. Analogous to the new HNL/BOS service.... start non-stops where there is little or no non-stop competition.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:23 am

WPvsMW wrote:
WN's unexpected success in the Hawaii market (interisland and CONUS) is quickly and "persuasively" forcing HA's hand. HA must act to counter revenue erosion, and that means, IMO, more service to the South Pacific, not Asia. I predict the B789s will be used not only to increase frequency HNL/PPT, but also to add more S. Pacific destinations ex-HNL, maybe some island-hoppers tagged on the long-haul. Analogous to the new HNL/BOS service.... start non-stops where there is little or no non-stop competition.


I just read in PBN that AUS Airport Management has an incentive on offer for a nonstop to HNL. Perhaps HA will look into starting AUS. It’s a growing city with a vibrant economy and is the largest TX market that could realistically support a nonstop that isn’t already served.

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Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:23 pm

DL would be a good candidate for the AUS offer, given DL's growth in AUS as the "replacement DFW".
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:47 pm

77H wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
WN's unexpected success in the Hawaii market (interisland and CONUS) is quickly and "persuasively" forcing HA's hand. HA must act to counter revenue erosion, and that means, IMO, more service to the South Pacific, not Asia. I predict the B789s will be used not only to increase frequency HNL/PPT, but also to add more S. Pacific destinations ex-HNL, maybe some island-hoppers tagged on the long-haul. Analogous to the new HNL/BOS service.... start non-stops where there is little or no non-stop competition.


I just read in PBN that AUS Airport Management has an incentive on offer for a nonstop to HNL. Perhaps HA will look into starting AUS. It’s a growing city with a vibrant economy and is the largest TX market that could realistically support a nonstop that isn’t already served.


WPvsMW wrote:
DL would be a good candidate for the AUS offer, given DL's growth in AUS as the "replacement DFW".


While AUS is too far from HNL for WN to serve HNL nonstop on 737 NG or 737 MAX planes, the successor to the Boeing 737 MAX will likely have the range needed for WN to serve HNL nonstop from AUS.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:01 am

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DL would be a good candidate for the AUS offer, given DL's growth in AUS as the "replacement DFW".


As opposed to HA why ?

With a rapidly decreasing 763 fleet, what aircraft do you propose they use? I’d assume DL can find better uses for the 764, 332 and 333 frames than AUS-HNL.

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Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:20 pm

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Not only OGG and LIH, but KOA (no air bridges) and HNL ("wiki" buses... but "wiki" means quick, which they are not) would benefit from being managed by an Airport Authority. The bill to create an Airport Authority died in the 2019 Hawaii Legislature... for the FOURTH year in a row.


I wouldn't change a thing at KOA, it's in interesting experience and very Hawaiian.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:10 pm

mcg wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Not only OGG and LIH, but KOA (no air bridges) and HNL ("wiki" buses... but "wiki" means quick, which they are not) would benefit from being managed by an Airport Authority. The bill to create an Airport Authority died in the 2019 Hawaii Legislature... for the FOURTH year in a row.


I wouldn't change a thing at KOA, it's in interesting experience and very Hawaiian.


When KOA has (July-Sept) SIN levels of heat and humidity, an airbridge would be very welcome.
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:18 pm

77H wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
DL would be a good candidate for the AUS offer, given DL's growth in AUS as the "replacement DFW".


As opposed to HA why ?

With a rapidly decreasing 763 fleet, what aircraft do you propose they use? I’d assume DL can find better uses for the 764, 332 and 333 frames than AUS-HNL.

77H


77H, I'm not discounting HA as a candidate for n/s HNL/AUS service, just saying that DL "would be a good candidate". DL's 764ER would be the probable frame ... depends upon (i) network strategy and comparative yields, as usual, (ii) DL's plans for "DFW II".
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:28 am

WPvsMW wrote:
mcg wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Not only OGG and LIH, but KOA (no air bridges) and HNL ("wiki" buses... but "wiki" means quick, which they are not) would benefit from being managed by an Airport Authority. The bill to create an Airport Authority died in the 2019 Hawaii Legislature... for the FOURTH year in a row.


I wouldn't change a thing at KOA, it's in interesting experience and very Hawaiian.


When KOA has (July-Sept) SIN levels of heat and humidity, an airbridge would be very welcome.


There was a trip a couple of years back & it was Kona winds for the entire two weeks we were there & plenty of vog. I had on a whim, booked F for the three of us, because once we weighed the baggage fee & it ended up being $25 more overall & to me, the extra stuff it is worth it. The only place that is Air Conditioned in that entire airport is the Hawaiian lounge, which consists of a prefab building with only the most basic of services & unattended, you get a code to use on a keypad. But on that day, thank God for that tiny little box to wait in for our short hop to Kahului.

If there were jetbridges at KOA, they would need an entire new terminal built as well, the current one is ground level & not enclosed. Maui & Kauai have air conditioned waiting rooms & jetbbridges. I love Molokai Airport for being so darn authentic, ever since I started flying there back in 1979, it has not changed one iota, even the big Island map. Gate one & two serve very well still, in the day one was TS & the other HA. Then TS changed to AQ & the 737's turned into Twotters & the frequencies increased. With HA the SD-330's went away & MKK was two daily DC-9's & then the Dash-7's purchased for the new airport in Maui JHM, a perfect STOL aircraft for the short runway. Then HA went back to the twice daily DC-9's & then left MKK & LNY to WP/AQ. Now once again HA is back with Empire flying the ATR-42's for them to the littlest islands.
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:04 pm

On the topic of Guam, it came up in Cranky Flier's interview with HA CEO Peter Ingram, published today. My takeaway is that while it is a market they're aware of, we shouldn't expect to see HA flying there anytime soon. It's a bit too far for the A321neo, and a lot of the capacity into GUM is coming from Asia with a fair amount of LCC. It sounds like they do have people asking for it but not enough to support the A330.

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Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:58 pm

JD Powers: HNL is #22 out of 25 largest US airports.
Detailed story on HNL. $3.2 billion... and the wiki buses remain.
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:10 pm

Questions about A380 operations at HNL.

I understand that the new ANA lounge offers direct access to the upper deck cabin for the flight leaving gate C4. Is there direct aircraft access from the lounge to the second A380 gate?

On the days that ANA operate 2 A380 flights, which flight typically leaves from gate C4?
 
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:46 pm

Three liveries for the Honus, Blue, Green, and Orange. I think ex-NRT is the first arrival, and gets C4.
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/hawaii24/ai ... p201907368

NH operates a "Suite Lounge" and a regular "Lounge" at HNL.https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/serviceinfo ... l/hnl.html
Lounge jetbridge is only to upper deck on Gate C4.
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:17 pm

WPvsMW wrote:
mcg wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
Not only OGG and LIH, but KOA (no air bridges) and HNL ("wiki" buses... but "wiki" means quick, which they are not) would benefit from being managed by an Airport Authority. The bill to create an Airport Authority died in the 2019 Hawaii Legislature... for the FOURTH year in a row.


I wouldn't change a thing at KOA, it's in interesting experience and very Hawaiian.


When KOA has (July-Sept) SIN levels of heat and humidity, an airbridge would be very welcome.

Boo hoo. It’s the tropics. The lack of airbridges is not an issue considering how many airports around the world use remote stands.

KOA does need to provide more shade in various waiting and screening areas though
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:37 am

there is a new centralized screening checkpoint being built.
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:31 am

When will Hawaiian announce their next US destination
 
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:27 pm

After OGG/LAS (starts in Dec. 2019)?
Network planners at HA follow this thread... but I think such announcements will be, as usual, in the News Room.
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:39 pm

I think the changes coming about for HNL, when finally all completed, will not necessarily transform the airport,but make operations a bit better for the volume they are seeing. Recently I was traveling inter-island. Upon my return I noted that the taxi time from the runway to the gate at Hawaiian was reduced with the new taxiways built in that area. Rightsizing the airport for continued development will go a long way to addressing the traffic jam of planes that compete for gates at key times of the day. This could also be an entre to other airlines (Frontier) to start some sort of service to the islands.

On the other hand, there is also a growing narrative of which the amount of tourism to the islands has gotten too much. The new chief of the Hawaii Tourism Authority has shifted the focus of the state agency from building more tourism volume to managing the volume that Hawaii gets, currently. Needless to say these competing visions will land squarely at the gates and runways of HNL, OGG, LIH and KOA as developments arise and narratives developed as to what is "too much tourism"
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:13 am

What HNL needs is to start limiting the number of flights in the midday rush. Every day from 10-2 planes are sitting on the taxiways waiting for gates to open and yet airlines continue to add flights in that window. Yes the schedules are based on hub structure, etc. but the airport is half empty all other times so something needs to force airlines to operate at other times to reduce congestion.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:18 pm

Esp., for NH's Honus. Construction has removed about half of the pedestrian space in the central part of HNL Term. 2, and that space now looks like ATL B or C concourses during the mid-day crunch.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:27 pm

Sounds like WN is planning on increasing Daytime only handstand parking at HNL. G7A, G7B and G7C. Gates G7B and G7C will be used between 09:00-06:00 when the remote parking remains vacant.

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:20 am

I checked the flight records from BTS for last February
Daily flights miles, average number of seats (278 indicates all A330, 189 indicates all A321, something else indicates combination of A330s and A321s).
2338 OGG SFO 278 average seats
2349 OGG OAK 189
2355 OGG SJC 189
2398 HNL SFO 278
2409 HNL OAK 189
2417 HNL SJC 202
2457 LIH OAK 189
2462 HNL SMF 278
2486 OGG LAX 278
2504 KOA LAX 189
2541 OGG SAN 192
2562 OGG PDX 192
2569 HNL LGB 189
2603 HNL PDX 214
2614 HNL SAN 278
2615 LIH LAX 189
2640 OGG SEA 278
2677 HNL SEA 278
2917 HNL PHX 278
4983 HNL JFK 278

These flights are not daily
2599 HNL PPG 278 less than daily flight (Pago Pago International Airport )
2556 HNL LAX 278 multiple flights per day
2762 HNL LAS 278 multiple flights per day

Obviously since February BOS was added to the schedule, and SMF has been downsized from A330 to A321.

Other than that, there seems to be nothing changed in the schedule that was not planned when Hawaiian Airlines ordered the A321 about 3-4 years ago. Other than possibly downsizing in Sacramento there is no obvious changes in response to Southwestern entering the market.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:29 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Sounds like WN is planning on increasing Daytime only handstand parking at HNL. G7A, G7B and G7C. Gates G7B and G7C will be used between 09:00-06:00 when the remote parking remains vacant.

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I don’t know where you hear things but uhh...what?
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Re: Hawaii Airports and Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:43 am

PacoMartin wrote:
I checked the flight records from BTS for last February
Daily flights miles, average number of seats (278 indicates all A330, 189 indicates all A321, something else indicates combination of A330s and A321s).
2338 OGG SFO 278 average seats
2349 OGG OAK 189
2355 OGG SJC 189
2398 HNL SFO 278
2409 HNL OAK 189
2417 HNL SJC 202
2457 LIH OAK 189
2462 HNL SMF 278
2486 OGG LAX 278
2504 KOA LAX 189
2541 OGG SAN 192
2562 OGG PDX 192
2569 HNL LGB 189
2603 HNL PDX 214
2614 HNL SAN 278
2615 LIH LAX 189
2640 OGG SEA 278
2677 HNL SEA 278
2917 HNL PHX 278
4983 HNL JFK 278

These flights are not daily
2599 HNL PPG 278 less than daily flight (Pago Pago International Airport )
2556 HNL LAX 278 multiple flights per day
2762 HNL LAS 278 multiple flights per day

Obviously since February BOS was added to the schedule, and SMF has been downsized from A330 to A321.

Other than that, there seems to be nothing changed in the schedule that was not planned when Hawaiian Airlines ordered the A321 about 3-4 years ago. Other than possibly downsizing in Sacramento there is no obvious changes in response to Southwestern entering the market.


Weird coincidence, but HA up-gauged SMF-HNL back to A332 this week according to FlightAware.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:40 am

wnflyguy wrote:
Sounds like WN is planning on increasing Daytime only handstand parking at HNL. G7A, G7B and G7C. Gates G7B and G7C will be used between 09:00-06:00 when the remote parking remains vacant.

Flyguy

If you are talking about the handstands past G10...You cannot plan flights on them!!! You have constant parking on those spaces between 1000-1500. I am not sure if you have seen the gate holding area in HNL for WN, but with 3 flights there, the area is FULL!!!! You work for WN obviously, so is there any way that you can board multiple flights out of the same jetway door at the same time???
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:51 am

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Sounds like WN is planning on increasing Daytime only handstand parking at HNL. G7A, G7B and G7C. Gates G7B and G7C will be used between 09:00-06:00 when the remote parking remains vacant.

Flyguy

If you are talking about the handstands past G10...You cannot plan flights on them!!! You have constant parking on those spaces between 1000-1500. I am not sure if you have seen the gate holding area in HNL for WN, but with 3 flights there, the area is FULL!!!! You work for WN obviously, so is there any way that you can board multiple flights out of the same jetway door at the same time???


WN has 4 gates, G7-G10. Right now because most of the flights are concentrated at G7 and G8, the airport will still park a wide-body on the G9 and G10 space when WN isn’t using them. Currently there are multiple periods during the day where 3 of the 4 gates are occupied by WN. In January when the new flights are added there will be multiple times throughout the day where all 4 gates will be occupied.

It’s challenging, that’s for sure.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:33 am

KanaHawaii wrote:
The new chief of the Hawaii Tourism Authority has shifted the focus of the state agency from building more tourism volume to managing the volume that Hawaii gets, currently.


I feel that way about Las Vegas who is wrestling with an airport that cannot possibly sustain the growth. Tourism Authority should concentrate on finding ways to get people to spend an extra night. You already have millions of tourists, and if they stay one more night that should keep the hotels full.

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