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Fri May 03, 2019 11:57 pm

There was a nice diversion today due to storms in the IAH area.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCA995

PEK-IAH

Air China 777-300, the "Smiling China" special livery.

Hope some people caught it.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 12:13 am

I don't see how American is going to operate 900 flts a day out of DFW this summer especially if we keep having major storms once a week and getting from the main terminal to Gilligan's island is a hall, the moving sidewalk still makes it a long trek. if you come into B and have a short connection out of the new gates, it's going to be very hard. it worked great for Delta because if was connected to the Delta terminal and connections were easy. if you take the train, then a hike, if you make it, will your bag....
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 12:28 am

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I don't see how American is going to operate 900 flts a day out of DFW this summer especially if we keep having major storms once a week and getting from the main terminal to Gilligan's island is a hall, the moving sidewalk still makes it a long trek. if you come into B and have a short connection out of the new gates, it's going to be very hard. it worked great for Delta because if was connected to the Delta terminal and connections were easy. if you take the train, then a hike, if you make it, will your bag....


I believe all departing flights from the new satellite terminal have 10 extra minutes allocated before departure... something like that...

And yes, the storms have been bad in the past months. Tons of cancellations and diversions. On good days, they'll reach 900.

According to the AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type, AA will have 915 departures on a peak day.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 8:45 pm

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Ceilings are low, but they did a nice job freshening it up with what they could do. It will serve its purpose well, getting 100 regional jet flights in and out every day. Better than boarding via airstairs!

I can oly imagine that that Whataburger is going to be a big hit with traveler's and the workers out there once word gets out that it's there, will probably cause it to be crazy busy in there at times!!
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Tue May 07, 2019 11:46 pm

A United 787-10 (N16009) came into DFW for a few hours today. Looks like a weather diversion en route LAX-IAH. First 787-10 visit?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2361/history/20190507/1732Z/KLAX/KIAH

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Wed May 08, 2019 12:10 am

Yep. On its way back to IAH now.
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Fri May 10, 2019 8:32 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute ... 5962556416

BA 744 is coming back in October.

As well as that, EVA Air and Air China from PTY-IAH both diverted to DFW last night due to storms.
 
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Sat May 11, 2019 11:53 pm

If only we had a Taiwanese airline
 
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Sun May 12, 2019 3:40 am

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If only we had a Taiwanese airline


We do, we have EVA Air and China Airlines Cargo :smile:
 
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Sun May 12, 2019 10:57 pm

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Planes4you wrote:
If only we had a Taiwanese airline


We do, we have EVA Air and China Airlines Cargo :smile:


Close enough I guess
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 12:28 am

Ishrion wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1126910995962556416

BA 744 is coming back in October.

As well as that, EVA Air and Air China from PTY-IAH both diverted to DFW last night due to storms.


Hallelujah!!!!!! I was worried the BA 744 Retro Jets would be retired before ever seeing one at DFW :)
 
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Sat May 18, 2019 2:29 am

Does anyone know what the DFW Facebook live stream will be about? I know they said the future of the airport but besides HND will they announce any new routes?
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 5:29 pm

AA and DFW just announced Terminal F at the State of DFW conference. 24 new gates to open by 2025. Also will renovate Terminal C. F will be both domestic and international.
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 6:37 pm

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw ... n-terminal

The use of international and domestic in the future F will help relieve much congestion D sees during peak morning/early evening hours. AA will have the ability to increase DFW by another ~170 operations/day, so this summer will be a testament of how DFW can handle AA's close to 900 daily departures at the height of summer and how Terminal F will be an asset to the airport.
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 6:37 pm

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AA and DFW just announced Terminal F at the State of DFW conference. 24 new gates to open by 2025. Also will renovate Terminal C. F will be both domestic and international.


Now the $64,000 question...... will Term F be a Term D clone or will they break
the mold and go with a finger type layout AA has been rumored to be asking for???
 
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Tue May 21, 2019 9:05 pm

I wonder if terminal F will have double jetways
 
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Tue May 21, 2019 9:06 pm

On a side note does anyone have any updates on Air india and AAs plans to start DFW-DEL
 
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Tue May 21, 2019 9:47 pm

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I wonder if terminal F will have double jetways


Is this really needed? I've boarded and deplaned A380s and 77Ws and never noticed a difference with 1 or 2 jet bridges.
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Thu May 23, 2019 1:30 am

Anyone know when the AA flagship lounge in D will open? Tks
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 1:47 am

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Anyone know when the AA flagship lounge in D will open? Tks


I was at the Qatar Lounge on the 13th of May. I thought I overheard the guy at the desk up there say the new lounge would be opening that Thursday, which would have been 5/17. Definitely could be wrong.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:27 pm

Today Qatar Airways began using the A350-1000 to DFW.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 9#20af62c2

Landing video: https://youtu.be/aouyUNHgBc0
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:47 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw-airport/2019/05/20/american-airlines-dfw-airport-strike-deal-build-new-3billion-terminal

The use of international and domestic in the future F will help relieve much congestion D sees during peak morning/early evening hours. AA will have the ability to increase DFW by another ~170 operations/day, so this summer will be a testament of how DFW can handle AA's close to 900 daily departures at the height of summer and how Terminal F will be an asset to the airport.


With three arrival runways and the around the end taxiways getting started, it should not be a problem.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:48 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw-airport/2019/05/20/american-airlines-dfw-airport-strike-deal-build-new-3billion-terminal

The use of international and domestic in the future F will help relieve much congestion D sees during peak morning/early evening hours. AA will have the ability to increase DFW by another ~170 operations/day, so this summer will be a testament of how DFW can handle AA's close to 900 daily departures at the height of summer and how Terminal F will be an asset to the airport.


With three arrival runways and the around the end taxiways getting started, it should not be a problem.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:45 pm

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On a side note does anyone have any updates on Air india and AAs plans to start DFW-DEL


There was never a rumor AA would start that route.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:54 pm

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YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Either one. Air India "said" they would start DFW service but never did: https://onemileatatime.com/air-india-lo ... s-flights/

AA is looking at returning to India but they never specified which city.
AA said they would fly to India from PHL using 787s, if ever they do.

AI to DFW sounds believable, but if they went to IAH rather than DFW that would not surprise me either.


I seem to remember that someone here, maybe Laxdude, said that even though the Indian population sizes between IAH and DFW aren't tremendously different, DFW's O/D traffic to India is more dispersed than IAH's, which is skewed more towards one or two cities that I'm not remembering right now. But the idea being that DFW has more significant traffic to more Indian cities than IAH, which only has strong demand to 1 or 2 places there.

If that's the case (and please correct me if it's not), it would make that choice even more interesting if AI decided to give Texas a try. Do you go to DFW from DEL and try to build the flight on one stop connections from Dallas significant O/D traffic to secondary cities in India? Or do you do DEL-IAH which has a smaller O/D component, but would potentially have connections on both ends?

Extremely interesting decision and AA (and to a far lesser extent UA) might want to beat AI to the punch here. One thing that AI may want to take into account - is there any doubt AA would retaliate if AI started DEL-DFW?


DFW does have what I’d call a significantly larger Indian population than Houston, but the O&D to the subcontinent from both is similar. You remembered right that the market is much more dispersed from DFW. DFW is larger to some secondary cities like HYD and BLR, but IAH is much larger to BOM and is larger (but a smaller gap) to DEL.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:56 pm

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I think we can all agree on one thing that’s china southern will be flying to DFW sooner or later hopefully they announce this year though.


No, we can’t agree on that. In fact, I think such a move would be stupid. There are no frequencies to fly to a CAT 1 Chinese market and DFW-CAN barely exists from an O&D perspective. Why on earth would CZ cancel an LAX, SFO, or JFK frequency for any other city?
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:01 pm

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Planes4you wrote:
I think we can all agree on one thing that’s china southern will be flying to DFW sooner or later hopefully they announce this year though.


No, we can’t agree on that. In fact, I think such a move would be stupid. There are no frequencies to fly to a CAT 1 Chinese market and DFW-CAN barely exists from an O&D perspective. Why on earth would CZ cancel an LAX, SFO, or JFK frequency for any other city?


CAT 1 limits have been mentioned at least a dozen times now. Planes4You has something with CZ starting DFW as noted earlier in the thread...
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:27 pm

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Today Qatar Airways began using the A350-1000 to DFW.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 9#20af62c2

Landing video: https://youtu.be/aouyUNHgBc0


I spotted it from Lewisville as I was driving back from Frisco... starting to wish I had been at Founder's Plaza instead, but I don't think I would've made it in time.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:46 pm

On another note, AA is adding DFW-TGU and DFW-SAP in a week. A319s.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:47 pm

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On another note, AA is adding DFW-TGU and DFW-SAP in a week. A319s.


Along with MUC, DUB, DGO, FCA, and STS.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:48 pm

On another another note, Gates B4-B11 are going mainline June 6th. Walked through those gates today and looked like most of the hardware was ready to go.
 
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On another another note, Gates B4-B11 are going mainline June 6th. Walked through those gates today and looked like most of the hardware was ready to go.


What aircraft will be operating out of there? MD80s, 738s, A320s?
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:54 pm

Ishrion wrote:
stevend08 wrote:
On another another note, Gates B4-B11 are going mainline June 6th. Walked through those gates today and looked like most of the hardware was ready to go.


What aircraft will be operating out of there? MD80s, 738s, A320s?
I really like that Admirals Club in B, I guess it is going to become crowded now.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:14 am

They need an AC up in high B near the stinger. It’s a loooong walk otherwise
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:56 am

Ishrion wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I think we can all agree on one thing that’s china southern will be flying to DFW sooner or later hopefully they announce this year though.


No, we can’t agree on that. In fact, I think such a move would be stupid. There are no frequencies to fly to a CAT 1 Chinese market and DFW-CAN barely exists from an O&D perspective. Why on earth would CZ cancel an LAX, SFO, or JFK frequency for any other city?


CAT 1 limits have been mentioned at least a dozen times now. Planes4You has something with CZ starting DFW as noted earlier in the thread...


I AM from Guangzhou and know at least a bit about Chinese market, so I think I can add a word to it. It would have been most definitely a flattering piece of news, but I agree that it can’t happen anytime soon unless suddenly Guangzhou gov begin throwing cash to airlines like Shenzhen is doing right now.

I remember that a very significant portion of CZ’s traffic is based on transferring, up to 45% for N.American routes. Given that it pretty much means SE Asia-CAN-N.America and vise versa combined for 500 dollars or less with fierce competition, they bleed off cash each time they fly such routes and have to compensate for that by charging high prices for domestic flights. It has seemed to me that the Chinese proverb of “a paid demon can push mill for you” have become seriously true given the development of SHE-LAX and WUH-JFK just a few years after Hainan Airlines doing such things. They indeed are both “focus cities” of CZ, but well, again, since there is pretty much no premium demand whatsoever, subsidies at work.

The recent leadership change of CZ should also be accountable for such decisions. Their plan of flying to TLV, MAD, HEL and MXP have all disappeared and presumably would not be mentioned for at least this year... while millions of rmb have put SZX-MAD or even more insane ones (i,e. SZX-DUB reported have LF as low as 10%) work. Well, that is fairly problematic.

Note that the lack of central N.American destination does represent a significant hole in CZ’s network (other than Europe which consists of pretty much nothing), and I believe they know it, I doubt, seriously, if that can be resolved anytime soon. Given the current trade conflict between China and United States, the total visitor count of Chinese to America has first dropped for 15 years, definitely no good. I do think that cutting the flights are very unfortunate but necessary to better profit of domestically, but I do hope that they will hold on to the flight rights.

The fastest possible way for DFW-CAN to suddenly be started is that CZ somehow join oneworld (by threatening CX with a cut of tie? I don’t know) and AA receives its 2nd batch of 789 preferably with over 40 J seats and some F as a subfleet and use it to fly CAN and HKG both on daily on the same configuration of 789. Not that it’s impossible, but they would probably prefer PKX/ZBAD instead.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:09 am

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Ishrion wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

No, we can’t agree on that. In fact, I think such a move would be stupid. There are no frequencies to fly to a CAT 1 Chinese market and DFW-CAN barely exists from an O&D perspective. Why on earth would CZ cancel an LAX, SFO, or JFK frequency for any other city?


CAT 1 limits have been mentioned at least a dozen times now. Planes4You has something with CZ starting DFW as noted earlier in the thread...


I AM from Guangzhou and know at least a bit about Chinese market, so I think I can add a word to it. It would have been most definitely a flattering piece of news, but I agree that it can’t happen anytime soon unless suddenly Guangzhou gov begin throwing cash to airlines like Shenzhen is doing right now.

I remember that a very significant portion of CZ’s traffic is based on transferring, up to 45% for N.American routes. Given that it pretty much means SE Asia-CAN-N.America and vise versa combined for 500 dollars or less with fierce competition, they bleed off cash each time they fly such routes and have to compensate for that by charging high prices for domestic flights. It has seemed to me that the Chinese proverb of “a paid demon can push mill for you” have become seriously true given the development of SHE-LAX and WUH-JFK just a few years after Hainan Airlines doing such things. They indeed are both “focus cities” of CZ, but well, again, since there is pretty much no premium demand whatsoever, subsidies at work.

The recent leadership change of CZ should also be accountable for such decisions. Their plan of flying to TLV, MAD, HEL and MXP have all disappeared and presumably would not be mentioned for at least this year... while millions of rmb have put SZX-MAD or even more insane ones (i,e. SZX-DUB reported have LF as low as 10%) work. Well, that is fairly problematic.

Note that the lack of central N.American destination does represent a significant hole in CZ’s network (other than Europe which consists of pretty much nothing), and I believe they know it, I doubt, seriously, if that can be resolved anytime soon. Given the current trade conflict between China and United States, the total visitor count of Chinese to America has first dropped for 15 years, definitely no good. I do think that cutting the flights are very unfortunate but necessary to better profit of domestically, but I do hope that they will hold on to the flight rights.

The fastest possible way for DFW-CAN to suddenly be started is that CZ somehow join oneworld (by threatening CX with a cut of tie? I don’t know) and AA receives its 2nd batch of 789 preferably with over 40 J seats and some F as a subfleet and use it to fly CAN and HKG both on daily on the same configuration of 789. Not that it’s impossible, but they would probably prefer PKX/ZBAD instead.


With rumors of China southern starting a hub at PEK would PEK-DFW be possible?
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:29 am

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B1168 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

CAT 1 limits have been mentioned at least a dozen times now. Planes4You has something with CZ starting DFW as noted earlier in the thread...


I AM from Guangzhou and know at least a bit about Chinese market, so I think I can add a word to it. It would have been most definitely a flattering piece of news, but I agree that it can’t happen anytime soon unless suddenly Guangzhou gov begin throwing cash to airlines like Shenzhen is doing right now.

I remember that a very significant portion of CZ’s traffic is based on transferring, up to 45% for N.American routes. Given that it pretty much means SE Asia-CAN-N.America and vise versa combined for 500 dollars or less with fierce competition, they bleed off cash each time they fly such routes and have to compensate for that by charging high prices for domestic flights. It has seemed to me that the Chinese proverb of “a paid demon can push mill for you” have become seriously true given the development of SHE-LAX and WUH-JFK just a few years after Hainan Airlines doing such things. They indeed are both “focus cities” of CZ, but well, again, since there is pretty much no premium demand whatsoever, subsidies at work.

The recent leadership change of CZ should also be accountable for such decisions. Their plan of flying to TLV, MAD, HEL and MXP have all disappeared and presumably would not be mentioned for at least this year... while millions of rmb have put SZX-MAD or even more insane ones (i,e. SZX-DUB reported have LF as low as 10%) work. Well, that is fairly problematic.

Note that the lack of central N.American destination does represent a significant hole in CZ’s network (other than Europe which consists of pretty much nothing), and I believe they know it, I doubt, seriously, if that can be resolved anytime soon. Given the current trade conflict between China and United States, the total visitor count of Chinese to America has first dropped for 15 years, definitely no good. I do think that cutting the flights are very unfortunate but necessary to better profit of domestically, but I do hope that they will hold on to the flight rights.

The fastest possible way for DFW-CAN to suddenly be started is that CZ somehow join oneworld (by threatening CX with a cut of tie? I don’t know) and AA receives its 2nd batch of 789 preferably with over 40 J seats and some F as a subfleet and use it to fly CAN and HKG both on daily on the same configuration of 789. Not that it’s impossible, but they would probably prefer PKX/ZBAD instead.


With rumors of China southern starting a hub at PEK would PEK-DFW be possible?


Honestly, yes. But another daily Beijing-Dallas flight might be too much. It's probably best to start with a X weekly service.

Last I heard, I think AA will be moving ops to Daxing?
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:46 am

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B1168 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

CAT 1 limits have been mentioned at least a dozen times now. Planes4You has something with CZ starting DFW as noted earlier in the thread...


I AM from Guangzhou and know at least a bit about Chinese market, so I think I can add a word to it. It would have been most definitely a flattering piece of news, but I agree that it can’t happen anytime soon unless suddenly Guangzhou gov begin throwing cash to airlines like Shenzhen is doing right now.

I remember that a very significant portion of CZ’s traffic is based on transferring, up to 45% for N.American routes. Given that it pretty much means SE Asia-CAN-N.America and vise versa combined for 500 dollars or less with fierce competition, they bleed off cash each time they fly such routes and have to compensate for that by charging high prices for domestic flights. It has seemed to me that the Chinese proverb of “a paid demon can push mill for you” have become seriously true given the development of SHE-LAX and WUH-JFK just a few years after Hainan Airlines doing such things. They indeed are both “focus cities” of CZ, but well, again, since there is pretty much no premium demand whatsoever, subsidies at work.

The recent leadership change of CZ should also be accountable for such decisions. Their plan of flying to TLV, MAD, HEL and MXP have all disappeared and presumably would not be mentioned for at least this year... while millions of rmb have put SZX-MAD or even more insane ones (i,e. SZX-DUB reported have LF as low as 10%) work. Well, that is fairly problematic.

Note that the lack of central N.American destination does represent a significant hole in CZ’s network (other than Europe which consists of pretty much nothing), and I believe they know it, I doubt, seriously, if that can be resolved anytime soon. Given the current trade conflict between China and United States, the total visitor count of Chinese to America has first dropped for 15 years, definitely no good. I do think that cutting the flights are very unfortunate but necessary to better profit of domestically, but I do hope that they will hold on to the flight rights.

The fastest possible way for DFW-CAN to suddenly be started is that CZ somehow join oneworld (by threatening CX with a cut of tie? I don’t know) and AA receives its 2nd batch of 789 preferably with over 40 J seats and some F as a subfleet and use it to fly CAN and HKG both on daily on the same configuration of 789. Not that it’s impossible, but they would probably prefer PKX/ZBAD instead.


With rumors of China southern starting a hub at PEK would PEK-DFW be possible?


You don’t get it. There are no frequencies to start such a route.
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:18 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
B1168 wrote:

I AM from Guangzhou and know at least a bit about Chinese market, so I think I can add a word to it. It would have been most definitely a flattering piece of news, but I agree that it can’t happen anytime soon unless suddenly Guangzhou gov begin throwing cash to airlines like Shenzhen is doing right now.

I remember that a very significant portion of CZ’s traffic is based on transferring, up to 45% for N.American routes. Given that it pretty much means SE Asia-CAN-N.America and vise versa combined for 500 dollars or less with fierce competition, they bleed off cash each time they fly such routes and have to compensate for that by charging high prices for domestic flights. It has seemed to me that the Chinese proverb of “a paid demon can push mill for you” have become seriously true given the development of SHE-LAX and WUH-JFK just a few years after Hainan Airlines doing such things. They indeed are both “focus cities” of CZ, but well, again, since there is pretty much no premium demand whatsoever, subsidies at work.

The recent leadership change of CZ should also be accountable for such decisions. Their plan of flying to TLV, MAD, HEL and MXP have all disappeared and presumably would not be mentioned for at least this year... while millions of rmb have put SZX-MAD or even more insane ones (i,e. SZX-DUB reported have LF as low as 10%) work. Well, that is fairly problematic.

Note that the lack of central N.American destination does represent a significant hole in CZ’s network (other than Europe which consists of pretty much nothing), and I believe they know it, I doubt, seriously, if that can be resolved anytime soon. Given the current trade conflict between China and United States, the total visitor count of Chinese to America has first dropped for 15 years, definitely no good. I do think that cutting the flights are very unfortunate but necessary to better profit of domestically, but I do hope that they will hold on to the flight rights.

The fastest possible way for DFW-CAN to suddenly be started is that CZ somehow join oneworld (by threatening CX with a cut of tie? I don’t know) and AA receives its 2nd batch of 789 preferably with over 40 J seats and some F as a subfleet and use it to fly CAN and HKG both on daily on the same configuration of 789. Not that it’s impossible, but they would probably prefer PKX/ZBAD instead.


With rumors of China southern starting a hub at PEK would PEK-DFW be possible?


You don’t get it. There are no frequencies to start such a route.


Not that they can’t move frequency from CAN, but, well, why if AA is struggling on daily 788?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:31 am

B1168 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:

With rumors of China southern starting a hub at PEK would PEK-DFW be possible?


You don’t get it. There are no frequencies to start such a route.


Not that they can’t move frequency from CAN, but, well, why if AA is struggling on daily 788?


Struggling on DFW-PEK?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
B1168 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

You don’t get it. There are no frequencies to start such a route.


Not that they can’t move frequency from CAN, but, well, why if AA is struggling on daily 788?


Struggling on DFW-PEK?


Yes, because their load factor have repeatedly been lower than most US E. Coast or central cities other than Boston. Don’t tell me that AA can focus on “high yield traffic” with only 28 J class seats at most.
 
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Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:42 pm

B1168 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
B1168 wrote:

Not that they can’t move frequency from CAN, but, well, why if AA is struggling on daily 788?


Struggling on DFW-PEK?


Yes, because their load factor have repeatedly been lower than most US E. Coast or central cities other than Boston. Don’t tell me that AA can focus on “high yield traffic” with only 28 J class seats at most.


Are you basing your comment on facts, assumption or airliners.net rumor mill.? Do you work for AA and have access to how flights perform? I see you repeat comments based on seat counts, load factors etc, so I am curious how you come up with these statements which you state as fact.


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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:35 pm

chepos wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Struggling on DFW-PEK?


Yes, because their load factor have repeatedly been lower than most US E. Coast or central cities other than Boston. Don’t tell me that AA can focus on “high yield traffic” with only 28 J class seats at most.


Are you basing your comment on facts, assumption or airliners.net rumor mill.? Do you work for AA and have access to how flights perform? I see you repeat comments based on seat counts, load factors etc, so I am curious how you come up with these statements which you state as fact.


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B1168, do you actually know their load factors? According to the 1Q AA results, Pacific load factors were the highest out of all international flying.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:22 pm

I have heard from reputable sources that DFW-HKG is a homerun and that DFW-PVG is so-so. I havent heard much about PEK.
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
chepos wrote:
B1168 wrote:

Yes, because their load factor have repeatedly been lower than most US E. Coast or central cities other than Boston. Don’t tell me that AA can focus on “high yield traffic” with only 28 J class seats at most.


Are you basing your comment on facts, assumption or airliners.net rumor mill.? Do you work for AA and have access to how flights perform? I see you repeat comments based on seat counts, load factors etc, so I am curious how you come up with these statements which you state as fact.


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B1168, do you actually know their load factors? According to the 1Q AA results, Pacific load factors were the highest out of all international flying.


I apologize for not listing the source in the first place.
Below is a link to a table containing the load factor, passenger counts of both ways, both for 2018/11 only and for 2018/1-11 combined for all US-Mainland China routes.
https://minhangshi.oss-cn-beijing.aliyu ... x3ne6w.jpg
Comparatively, not that DFW-PEK is working poorly like HNL or LAS, but not ideal for adding flights.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:41 pm

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 59880.html

Don't know if this was mentioned but Dallas and Fort Worth mayors coming to BNE and SYD to discuss air services and trade. Hopefully DFW-BNE is launched when QF/AA JV is announced.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:27 am

oskarclare wrote:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/dallas-and-fort-worth-mayors-lead-business-mission-to-australia-300859880.html

Don't know if this was mentioned but Dallas and Fort Worth mayors coming to BNE and SYD to discuss air services and trade. Hopefully DFW-BNE is launched when QF/AA JV is announced.


https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... -approved/

“We’ll probably do a couple, American Airlines one,’’ he said. “We’ve said before it possibly will be Brisbane to Chicago, Brisbane to Seattle or Brisbane to Dallas as a new route.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:27 pm

When should it be approved?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:36 pm

Planes4you wrote:
When should it be approved?


As early as today.

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