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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:30 pm

From the DFW Spotters Facebook Page (same place the Air France rumor popped up), Korean Air is rumored to switch to the 787 (789) next Spring. This is from the 277 seat 777-300ER. Switching to the 789 will decrease 2 First Class, 24 Business, but increase 18 Economy Class seats... sort of strange move, losing all that premium capacity.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 am

AA adds seasonal DFW-AKL for Oct 2020.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:39 am

Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.


If I had to guess I would say BCN would be the most likely to happen (with AA). With a distant second MEL with QF.


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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:44 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.


I could see BCN be a summer seasonal route on a 787 and then during the winter MEL gets flown by the same 787 from DFW.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.


True that. Seems like stations like FCO/MUC have seen rapid expansion as well.

BCN might be next considering AA has quiet a few frequencies out of MIA; DFW will be more convenient for the obvious O/D but SW US in general.

Wondering why Qantas has not picked on Melbourne, Brisbane etc? The Sydney service has been tremendously successful.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:09 pm

vadodara wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.


True that. Seems like stations like FCO/MUC have seen rapid expansion as well.

BCN might be next considering AA has quiet a few frequencies out of MIA; DFW will be more convenient for the obvious O/D but SW US in general.

Wondering why Qantas has not picked on Melbourne, Brisbane etc? The Sydney service has been tremendously successful.


DFW-MEL I’ll bet is just a matter of when QF gets more 787’s.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:37 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.


AA adding DFW-NGO nonstop service is a possibility if there is enough demand with Toyota having its North American headquarters in Plano and Toyota having its world headquarters near Nagoya in Toyota, Japan.

Another option for getting to Toyota's world headquarters from DFW is to fly into HND on AA, take the Keikyu line from HND to Shinagawa station, take the Tokaido Shinkansen from Shinagawa station to Toyohashi, take the Tokaido Main Line from Toyohashi station to Okazaki Station, and then take the Aichi Loop Line from Okazaki Station to Mikawa-Toyota Station.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:22 pm

AA getting 2 more gates at Terminal E (main not satellite).

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... yptr=yahoo
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:42 pm

Delta28L wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.

Of those destinations, Auckland, Dublin, Munich, and Rome have been added.

Personally, Melbourne, Barcelona, and Helsinki are the next top contenders. Really nice to see DFW's success in their program.


I could see BCN be a summer seasonal route on a 787 and then during the winter MEL gets flown by the same 787 from DFW.


I don't think AA's 789 can reliable perform DFW-MEL in their config. That would have to be a QF route.
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:47 pm

jplatts wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Since August 2016, DFW launched a new incentive program to attract carriers to launch destinations to Auckland, Barcelona, Dublin, Munich, Helsinki, Rome, Johannesburg, Berlin, Nagoya, Melbourne, Addis Ababa and Nairobi.


AA adding DFW-NGO nonstop service is a possibility if there is enough demand with Toyota having its North American headquarters in Plano and Toyota having its world headquarters near Nagoya in Toyota, Japan.

Another option for getting to Toyota's world headquarters from DFW is to fly into HND on AA, take the Keikyu line from HND to Shinagawa station, take the Tokaido Shinkansen from Shinagawa station to Toyohashi, take the Tokaido Main Line from Toyohashi station to Okazaki Station, and then take the Aichi Loop Line from Okazaki Station to Mikawa-Toyota Station.


In all the years Toyota was in LA, LAX-NGO never materialized. LAX was a much larger market to NGO to begin with. Don’t see the appeal there.
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:40 am

deltaffindfw wrote:
AA getting 2 more gates at Terminal E (main not satellite).

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... yptr=yahoo


Does anyone know which gates these are, who currently uses them, and where that carrier will move to?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:58 am

These are NEW gates.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:15 am

The question will be where and how these new gates will be built out of out. According to the article it's being added to the main terminal structure. Any guesses or hypotheses to it's future location?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:19 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
In all the years Toyota was in LA, LAX-NGO never materialized. LAX was a much larger market to NGO to begin with. Don’t see the appeal there.


I can understand your point, even though there are some Toyota employees who travel between Toyota's North American headquarters in Plano and Toyota's world headquarters near Nagoya in Toyota, Japan.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:24 am

British Airways will downgauge LHR-DFW from the 744 to the 789 from October 25, 2020. Further changes are possible.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 4989599744
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:42 am

Ishrion wrote:
British Airways will downgauge LHR-DFW from the 744 to the 789 from October 25, 2020. Further changes are possible.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 4989599744


I figured the 744 was a seasonal upgauge from the 772 BA flew up until last week; I'd think the 789 (216 seats in four classes - 8 First/42 Club World/39 World Traveler Plus/127 World Traveler) is really a downgauge from the 772 (224 seats in four classes - 14 First/48 Club World/40 World Traveler Plus/122 World Traveler)? I know BA is phasing out their 744s over the next couple of years, so I wonder if that's partially the reason for the 789.
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:06 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
British Airways will downgauge LHR-DFW from the 744 to the 789 from October 25, 2020. Further changes are possible.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 4989599744


I figured the 744 was a seasonal upgauge from the 772 BA flew up until last week; I'd think the 789 (216 seats in four classes - 8 First/42 Club World/39 World Traveler Plus/127 World Traveler) is really a downgauge from the 772 (224 seats in four classes - 14 First/48 Club World/40 World Traveler Plus/122 World Traveler)? I know BA is phasing out their 744s over the next couple of years, so I wonder if that's partially the reason for the 789.


AA drops a daily frequency in winter so the 747 is partially to make up for that reduction. The 787 is an odd one though, unless AA is planning to go 4xdaily year round to LHR from DFW?

The cynic in me says that BA is planning its fastest aircraft on the route as LHR-DFW is within 10 minuted of triggering an extra night rest for flight crew - the 777 regularly fails in the winter to achieve the scheduled block time but the quicker 747 usually achieves it, the 787 certainly will. Compare the block times for the AA flights versus BA flights, the BA flights are a lot faster. In reality I'm sure that's only a minor consideration but the failing schedule would require a bunked aircraft on this route - the BA 777GEs don't have them, only the RR and 4 class RR 777s are being reconfigured to 3 class, DFW warrants a First Class cabin, so perhaps there is more to it.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:39 am

BA777FO wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
British Airways will downgauge LHR-DFW from the 744 to the 789 from October 25, 2020. Further changes are possible.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 4989599744


I figured the 744 was a seasonal upgauge from the 772 BA flew up until last week; I'd think the 789 (216 seats in four classes - 8 First/42 Club World/39 World Traveler Plus/127 World Traveler) is really a downgauge from the 772 (224 seats in four classes - 14 First/48 Club World/40 World Traveler Plus/122 World Traveler)? I know BA is phasing out their 744s over the next couple of years, so I wonder if that's partially the reason for the 789.


AA drops a daily frequency in winter so the 747 is partially to make up for that reduction. The 787 is an odd one though, unless AA is planning to go 4xdaily year round to LHR from DFW?

The cynic in me says that BA is planning its fastest aircraft on the route as LHR-DFW is within 10 minuted of triggering an extra night rest for flight crew - the 777 regularly fails in the winter to achieve the scheduled block time but the quicker 747 usually achieves it, the 787 certainly will. Compare the block times for the AA flights versus BA flights, the BA flights are a lot faster. In reality I'm sure that's only a minor consideration but the failing schedule would require a bunked aircraft on this route - the BA 777GEs don't have them, only the RR and 4 class RR 777s are being reconfigured to 3 class, DFW warrants a First Class cabin, so perhaps there is more to it.


Isn't AA currently 4x daily on DFW-LHR? When does it drop a frequency?
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:42 am

Ishrion wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

I figured the 744 was a seasonal upgauge from the 772 BA flew up until last week; I'd think the 789 (216 seats in four classes - 8 First/42 Club World/39 World Traveler Plus/127 World Traveler) is really a downgauge from the 772 (224 seats in four classes - 14 First/48 Club World/40 World Traveler Plus/122 World Traveler)? I know BA is phasing out their 744s over the next couple of years, so I wonder if that's partially the reason for the 789.


AA drops a daily frequency in winter so the 747 is partially to make up for that reduction. The 787 is an odd one though, unless AA is planning to go 4xdaily year round to LHR from DFW?

The cynic in me says that BA is planning its fastest aircraft on the route as LHR-DFW is within 10 minuted of triggering an extra night rest for flight crew - the 777 regularly fails in the winter to achieve the scheduled block time but the quicker 747 usually achieves it, the 787 certainly will. Compare the block times for the AA flights versus BA flights, the BA flights are a lot faster. In reality I'm sure that's only a minor consideration but the failing schedule would require a bunked aircraft on this route - the BA 777GEs don't have them, only the RR and 4 class RR 777s are being reconfigured to 3 class, DFW warrants a First Class cabin, so perhaps there is more to it.


Isn't AA currently 4x daily on DFW-LHR? When does it drop a frequency?


For the winter season - it's 3 daily except FRI-SUN when it retains 4 daily so 4 frequencies per week are dropped in winter. For summer 2020 AA is 4 daily.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:13 am

Korean Air 787-9 now scheduled from March 29, 2020.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-08nov19/
 
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Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:21 am

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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:07 pm

To get gates online sooner, DFW Airport could explore Terminal F phasing.

They can't wait until its all done for the new gates.

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... yptr=yahoo
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:37 pm

"I don't want to be critical of other airports, but there are some airports building new terminals and I see pictures. And they're gorgeous pictures. These big, soaring lobbies that, from an architectural standpoint, look beautiful," Donohue said. "I say to myself, 'Is that really where we want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars?'"


Sigh. Read "I want crowded ticket areas, bag claim levels, shoulder to shoulder concourses bulging with retail shops encroaching the hallways, and limited seating at the gate forcing waiting passengers out into traffic areas."
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:56 pm

The KE DFW-ICN flight thrives on tech industry ties with the likes of Samsung. KE has a limited number of 787's and they are going to routes with marginal performance like DFW as BOS also due to the universities & tech has a higher load factor (BOS gets the 77W).
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:31 pm

Did Omni base one of its 777s at AFW? I seem to see N828AX on the ground there quite regularly, and it's not like the airport has extensive passenger services available.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:32 pm

There is a lot of earth moving at the future site of Terminal F. About 10 days ago, I was watching them as we were boarding out of D-11 and the taxi out. A lot of trucks scooping, leveling and moving dirt around.

Does anyone know when they are expected to start pouring concrete?
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:43 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
There is a lot of earth moving at the future site of Terminal F. About 10 days ago, I was watching them as we were boarding out of D-11 and the taxi out. A lot of trucks scooping, leveling and moving dirt around.

Does anyone know when they are expected to start pouring concrete?



That construction is for the 4 gates being added to the Terminal D extension. Nothing to due with Terminal F yet.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:36 am

Qantas' 7th weekly flight returns June 30, 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... june-2020/
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:07 pm

blueflyer wrote:
Did Omni base one of its 777s at AFW? I seem to see N828AX on the ground there quite regularly, and it's not like the airport has extensive passenger services available.


Omni moved their maintenance ops from DFW to AFW a month or two ago. I imagine DFW made sense when they flew more troop charters here, but with that pretty rare these days (at DFW, not the company) AFW probably makes more sense for them. Unless you're a commuting pilot, in which case DFW makes your life much easier.

Not sure if it has anything to do with them joining the ATSG family or not. I'm sure someone on the site knows.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:00 pm

British Airways is switching to the 787-10 from May 1, 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec19/
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Ishrion wrote:
British Airways is switching to the 787-10 from May 1, 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12dec19/
Great to see DFW get some new equpment rather than that raggity stuff they normally fly between DFW and LHR.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:24 pm

First scheduled 787-10 service for DFW. I like it.
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:03 pm

Volaris is adding two new routes to DFW next year:
Guanajuato starts 4/3 with Tuesday and Friday service and
Zacatecas starts 4/3 with Tuesday and Friday service.

https://www.vuela.com.mx/am/aviacion-comercial/8509-volaris-pone-a-la-venta-5-nuevas-rutas-entre-mexico-y-estados-unidos.html
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:55 pm

Brandon757 wrote:
First scheduled 787-10 service for DFW. I like it.


So do I . Hopefully the flights operate during daylight hours :)
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:08 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Brandon757 wrote:
First scheduled 787-10 service for DFW. I like it.


So do I . Hopefully the flights operate during daylight hours :)

LHR-DFW BA193 arrives 19.40
DFW-LHR BA192 departs 21.55
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:33 pm

IrishTexan wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
Brandon757 wrote:
First scheduled 787-10 service for DFW. I like it.


So do I . Hopefully the flights operate during daylight hours :)

LHR-DFW BA193 arrives 19.40
DFW-LHR BA192 departs 21.55


Excellent, .... arrives during the "golden hour" .. should get some great pics :)
 
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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:19 pm

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