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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:19 pm
by dfw88
Planes4you wrote:
When should it be approved?


Right about now: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420041#p21404941

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:18 pm
by Planes4you
I’m betting once the mayor gets back from Australia an announcement will be made for a new route

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:32 pm
by DFWflightpath
so in last night's storms, AA5868 (DFW-LBB) and WN4883 (DEN-LBB) both held east of Lubbock for conditions to improve at LBB. WN4883 and AA5979 (DFW-LBB), which did not hold, eventually landed at LBB.

AA5868 returned to DFW. does anyone know why?

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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:41 pm
by Ishrion
DFWflightpath wrote:
so in last night's storms, AA5868 (DFW-LBB) and WN4883 (DEN-LBB) both held east of Lubbock for conditions to improve at LBB. WN4883 and AA5979 (DFW-LBB), which did not hold, eventually landed at LBB.

AA5868 returned to DFW. does anyone know why?

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It was probably easiest to divert back to DFW instead of diverting to another airport nearby.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:18 pm
by Planes4you
If in fact we get a new route to Australia when do you guys think it’ll be announced?imo I think there’ll be an announcement when the mayor is either on his way back or when he gets back to Dallas

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:20 pm
by Planes4you
Also with DFW being on the list of new routes for the Turkish 787 when do you guys think that will happen?

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:35 pm
by Ishrion
Planes4you wrote:
Also with DFW being on the list of new routes for the Turkish 787 when do you guys think that will happen?


Do you have an actual source to confirm DFW is on a list of new routes by TK? I’ve seen you bring it up many times but not a source.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:20 pm
by Planes4you
Ishrion wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
Also with DFW being on the list of new routes for the Turkish 787 when do you guys think that will happen?


Do you have an actual source to confirm DFW is on a list of new routes by TK? I’ve seen you bring it up many times but not a source.


No someone on the Turkish aviation thread said so and he/she mentioned something about a list.Im assuming he/she is close to the airline

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:11 am
by DFWflightpath
Ishrion wrote:

It was probably easiest to divert back to DFW instead of diverting to another airport nearby.



I guess what I am asking is why AA5868 chose to divert 45 minutes back to DFW, while WN4883 and AA5979 continued to LBB at essentially the same time last night?

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:13 am
by LAXdude1023
Planes4you wrote:
I’m betting once the mayor gets back from Australia an announcement will be made for a new route


They did announce new routes. BNE-SFO/ORD

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:24 am
by IndianicWorld
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I’m betting once the mayor gets back from Australia an announcement will be made for a new route


They did announce new routes. BNE-SFO/ORD


They announced the intention to launch if the JV gets formal approval so we will wait and see.

Not sure DFW will get any love from QF anytime soon.

The current moves continue to create more options, which will allow them to move focus away from what had until recently been largely a LAX-focused approach, with the likelihood of the following:

LAX-SYD/MEL/BNE (both QF and AA on SYD and MEL. QF will continue to have a LAX-JFK tag also)
SFO-SYD/MEL/BNE (QF)
DFW-SYD (QF)
BNE-ORD (QF)

That will give passengers 2 west coast cities or the 2 more central cities to connect in. A far broader network offering.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:40 am
by blueflyer
DFWflightpath wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

It was probably easiest to divert back to DFW instead of diverting to another airport nearby.



I guess what I am asking is why AA5868 chose to divert 45 minutes back to DFW, while WN4883 and AA5979 continued to LBB at essentially the same time last night?

I would guess it may have to do with the choice of diversion airport and fuel reserves.

With the weather moving East, perhaps DFW was the planned alternate for the flight. If so, in order to land at LBB, the plane needed to have enough fuel to make the landing attempt, go around, and divert back to DFW while staying above legal reserves. If there wasn't enough fuel onboard for that, then diverting to DFW without an attempt to land was the only correct choice.

Southwest presumably had enough fuel to make a landing attempt and divert. Different aircraft, different fuel capacity, different burn rate, and different fuel loads. Bottom line, they can't compare.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:57 pm
by Planes4you
So with AA replacing qantas on MEL-LAX does that mean what I think it means?

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:33 pm
by Planes4you
I never knew mainline used Terminals b

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:44 pm
by AAtakeMeAway
Planes4you wrote:
I never knew mainline used Terminals b


When they first expanded B terminal, the new gates (around where the Admirals Club is) were mainline (we're talking about 20 years ago).
Then when the A2 satellite closed, B became all Eagle
Now that the E satellite has been reopened for Eagle, some gates in B will once again be mainline.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:46 pm
by Ishrion
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
I never knew mainline used Terminals b


When they first expanded B terminal, the new gates (around where the Admirals Club is) were mainline (we're talking about 20 years ago).
Then when the A2 satellite closed, B became all Eagle
Now that the E satellite has been reopened for Eagle, some gates in B will once again be mainline.


Mainline began operating on the 6th of this month with gates B5-12 I believe. It’s capable of handling MD-80s, A319, A320, A321, A321neo, and 737.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:10 am
by Planes4you
Air France did pretty good with loads in April avianca did pretty good too

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:35 pm
by reednavy
Apparently there's been damage done at KDAL due to severe storms, max gust of 62kts taken by the ASOS on field. Southwest hangars reportedly have door and roof damage, and also one of their large billboards on Mockingbird toppled onto a Chevron station.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:39 pm
by william
Went through dfw this morning. Blue skies......Doesn’t take long for weather to change in Texas

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:33 pm
by FriscoHeavy
reednavy wrote:
Apparently there's been damage done at KDAL due to severe storms, max gust of 62kts taken by the ASOS on field. Southwest hangars reportedly have door and roof damage, and also one of their large billboards on Mockingbird toppled onto a Chevron station.


BigLeague storms rolled through Frisco before it hit DAL. I believe the winds.

Neighbor was at DAL and said power was out. Flight delayed until 8:30, so he rebooked on AA and drove over to DFW.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:35 pm
by FriscoHeavy
william wrote:
Went through dfw this morning. Blue skies......Doesn’t take long for weather to change in Texas


Silly saying. It doesn’t take long for weather to change anywhere.

It’s sunny skies again, just like nothing happened.

This type of weather can happen anywhere (sun, rain, sun).

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:37 pm
by FriscoHeavy
My neighbor saw the jet bridges moving a bit in the wind at DAL.

A crane fell on another friend’s apartment and has caused significant damage in downtown Dallas.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:19 pm
by william
FriscoHeavy wrote:
reednavy wrote:
Apparently there's been damage done at KDAL due to severe storms, max gust of 62kts taken by the ASOS on field. Southwest hangars reportedly have door and roof damage, and also one of their large billboards on Mockingbird toppled onto a Chevron station.


BigLeague storms rolled through Frisco before it hit DAL. I believe the winds.

Neighbor was at DAL and said power was out. Flight delayed until 8:30, so he rebooked on AA and drove over to DFW.


True, but it’s a poplar saying in Texas, “ Don’t like the weather, wait five minutes”.

Hope no one was hurt in crane collapse.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:42 pm
by FriscoHeavy
william wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
reednavy wrote:
Apparently there's been damage done at KDAL due to severe storms, max gust of 62kts taken by the ASOS on field. Southwest hangars reportedly have door and roof damage, and also one of their large billboards on Mockingbird toppled onto a Chevron station.


BigLeague storms rolled through Frisco before it hit DAL. I believe the winds.

Neighbor was at DAL and said power was out. Flight delayed until 8:30, so he rebooked on AA and drove over to DFW.


True, but it’s a poplar saying in Texas, “ Don’t like the weather, wait five minutes”.

Hope no one was hurt in crane collapse.


One person dead and two more are critical.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:02 am
by f18raider
Was sitting at gate 4 at DAL and watched the whole thing come through as I waited for WN3732 to DEN. Winds howled windows shook and the roof made some loud snapping sounds. The southern side of the terminal lost power, so all those folks came to our side so it was very crowded. Our plane and jetway went dancing. We ended up being delayed 2.5 hours, mostly waiting on inspections of the aircraft.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:04 am
by KlimaBXsst
Does anyone have a list of the nonstop destinations Envoy typically serves exclusively out of the DFW Terminal E Satellite?

I kind of think this would be fascinating to compare this with DAL’s list of nonstop destinations.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:11 am
by Ishrion
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Does anyone have a list of the nonstop destinations Envoy typically serves exclusively out of the DFW Terminal E Satellite?

I kind of think this would be fascinating to compare this with DAL’s list of nonstop destinations.


Would they operate specific rotes out of the satellite? Seems a bit inefficient since schedules and aircraft can always change.

DAL has more long range routes considering WN has 737s... while Envoy’s will be shorter.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:37 am
by ctrabs0114
f18raider wrote:
Was sitting at gate 4 at DAL and watched the whole thing come through as I waited for WN3732 to DEN. Winds howled windows shook and the roof made some loud snapping sounds. The southern side of the terminal lost power, so all those folks came to our side so it was very crowded. Our plane and jetway went dancing. We ended up being delayed 2.5 hours, mostly waiting on inspections of the aircraft.


Fox 4 showed a brief clip of roof damage to one of WN's hangars at DAL. They were also reporting at least 60 mph straight-line winds which struck this afternoon.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:20 am
by KlimaBXsst
Ishrion wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Does anyone have a list of the nonstop destinations Envoy typically serves exclusively out of the DFW Terminal E Satellite?

I kind of think this would be fascinating to compare this with DAL’s list of nonstop destinations.


Would they operate specific rotes out of the satellite? Seems a bit inefficient since schedules and aircraft can always change.

DAL has more long range routes considering WN has 737s... while Envoy’s will be shorter.



It’s a regional terminal so do the most part I am guessing only certain banks of flights would be leaving from here.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:52 am
by ChuckSchumer
Line for customer service tonight at Terminal D.

Mind you end of the line, as shown, is at D18 and next to the new Flying Saucer and continues for another 200 yards past Duty Free and the lounges to the customer service counter at D24.Image

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:01 am
by AA737-823
FriscoHeavy wrote:
Neighbor was at DAL and said power was out. Flight delayed until 8:30, so he rebooked on AA and drove over to DFW.


Should have taken the DART LoveLink524 to the Orange Line light rail.
That way, he could have spent just $3 to get to DFW, AND had the pleasure of watching multiple spontaneous fist fights while on the train!
My last DAL arrival saw me taking the DART rail, and I got to witness such entertainment.
It's completely put me off of flying into Love instead of DFW.
Although, to be fair, the orange line now shuttles the homeless population straight into the terminal complex of DFW. Always kinda strange to see the homeless setting up camp in terminal A... I guess it's the new normal.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:59 pm
by Planes4you
Mike Rawlings is on his way back to Dallas (if he isn’t here already) after having a meeting with Qantas officials and other people with talks to trade

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:00 pm
by Planes4you
He’s the Dallas mayor btw

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:36 pm
by sccutler
reednavy wrote:
Apparently there's been damage done at KDAL due to severe storms, max gust of 62kts taken by the ASOS on field. Southwest hangars reportedly have door and roof damage, and also one of their large billboards on Mockingbird toppled onto a Chevron station.


I was working in a hangar at Addison Airport (KADS) when the storm hit, and had the pleasure of watching the roof peel off the hangar from the inside. Good fun. Hope never to repeat it.

Lots of aircraft at Addison damaged but I think mine came through unscathed (unlike its hangar mate, which did sustain damage from tumbling and building materials).

The storm arrived as I was closing the hangar door (and I barely got it closed before the power failed for good), and it went from dead calm to over 60 kn pretty much instantaneously. I have never seen anything like it.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:29 am
by Ishrion
Recently, AA upgauged DFW-EYW on an A319 starting December. It looks like Madison will receive mainline A319 service in September.

AA is really increasing service out of DFW. Can’t wait to see what’s next.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:28 pm
by Planes4you
Will Korean ever go daily?

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:41 pm
by PSAatSAN4Ever
Sitting at my desk happily eating a big plate of crow, delighted that my prediction of the demise of DFW-BFL was wrong, as AA is upping this flight to x2 starting later this year! For an airport with a nearly 70+% leakage to every other airport in southern, central, and northern California, any expansion of any route whatsoever is a major accomplishment.

Both AA and UA have flown BFL-Texas when the oil booms were on, but other than that, there isn't a huge amount of business travel to the southern San Joaquin valley. Couple that with LAX being within a 2-3 hour drive (or more, considering how the Gods and Goddesses of Los Angeles traffic are feeling that day), and you have America's most pulled-out-from airport.

Congratulations, Bakersfield!!

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:48 pm
by jsnww81
AAtakeMeAway wrote:

When they first expanded B terminal, the new gates (around where the Admirals Club is) were mainline (we're talking about 20 years ago).
Then when the A2 satellite closed, B became all Eagle
Now that the E satellite has been reopened for Eagle, some gates in B will once again be mainline.


Yep - American took over the lower third of B (then called 2W) in 1999. In addition to the 6-7 gates they took over from United and Northwest - who were moved to the upper third of 2W and to 4E, respectively - they also built a southward extension with 3-4 additional gates, which was later joined to the new Terminal D when it opened in 2005. That's when today's Admirals Club went in, and they also built a station for the old TrAAin. It was quite a large project and got a fair bit of publicity when it opened.

For the first 5-6 years American concentrated high-O&D mainline flights in those gates - just about every flight to Chicago or Los Angeles went out of lower B. I was in college in Chicago during 1999-2003 and almost always arrived and departed from B. I can remember AA's trial of doing reverse-thrust pushbacks from the B gates... used to happen frequently on the DFW-MDW flights.

When D opened in 2005, it was rather oversized and underutilized (seems funny today, no?) so the mainline flights were moved in there, and the lower B gates got a bunch of new jetbridges to accommodate regional jets. That enabled the closure of the much-hated A2 satellite, as you said. I remember little ads around DFW during that time that said "No More Buses!"

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:06 pm
by AAtakeMeAway
jsnww81 wrote:
For the first 5-6 years American concentrated high-O&D mainline flights in those gates - just about every flight to Chicago or Los Angeles went out of lower B. I was in college in Chicago during 1999-2003 and almost always arrived and departed from B. I can remember AA's trial of doing reverse-thrust pushbacks from the B gates... used to happen frequently on the DFW-MDW flights.


Also they seemed to try to concentrate westbound flights to these B gates since, in general, westbound flights depart from the runways on the west side of the field. Judging by the flights departing from the newly re-mainlined gates in B (SFO, SEA, SAN, SMF, LAS are what I recall seeing out of those gates the last couple times I've been to DFW) they're following this logic again this time. Those gate areas were overflowing though -- Did they not reconfigure the gate areas to accommodate mainline seating (I can't tell - I don't fly Eagle terribly often)?

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:34 pm
by stevend08
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
jsnww81 wrote:
For the first 5-6 years American concentrated high-O&D mainline flights in those gates - just about every flight to Chicago or Los Angeles went out of lower B. I was in college in Chicago during 1999-2003 and almost always arrived and departed from B. I can remember AA's trial of doing reverse-thrust pushbacks from the B gates... used to happen frequently on the DFW-MDW flights.


Also they seemed to try to concentrate westbound flights to these B gates since, in general, westbound flights depart from the runways on the west side of the field. Judging by the flights departing from the newly re-mainlined gates in B (SFO, SEA, SAN, SMF, LAS are what I recall seeing out of those gates the last couple times I've been to DFW) they're following this logic again this time. Those gate areas were overflowing though -- Did they not reconfigure the gate areas to accommodate mainline seating (I can't tell - I don't fly Eagle terribly often)?


Walked through those gates yesterday and especially the section from B5-B8, when a flight is boarding the entire hallway becomes impassable and is only worse when the carts try to get through. ,

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:39 pm
by WPvsMW
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
you have America's most pulled-out-from airport. [BFL]

Congratulations, Bakersfield!!


I thought STL is credited with that distinction.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:06 pm
by ChuckSchumer
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
jsnww81 wrote:

Also they seemed to try to concentrate westbound flights to these B gates since, in general, westbound flights depart from the runways on the west side of the field. Judging by the flights departing from the newly re-mainlined gates in B (SFO, SEA, SAN, SMF, LAS are what I recall seeing out of those gates the last couple times I've been to DFW) they're following this logic again this time. Those gate areas were overflowing though -- Did they not reconfigure the gate areas to accommodate mainline seating (I can't tell - I don't fly Eagle terribly often)?


Absolutely brilliant point and observation on the westernly traffic flow through the reconfigured B gates.

Regarding the gate space, the only reconstruction AA did inside there terminal was change out the ticket counters and open up a service center near B6. In AA's defense though, B is built narrowly compared to the rest of the terminals, limiting space, so the only other place you could add extra seats is along the wall of the hall, but that's already narrow as is.

I've noticed as well that AA has this same problem at A21, A34, and D22. When there are international flights or doemstic widebody flights out of these gates a good chunk of passengers are having to stand in the corridor and along the wall of the corridor, just because there aren't even seats to accommodate everyone.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:21 pm
by PSAatSAN4Ever
WPvsMW wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
you have America's most pulled-out-from airport. [BFL]

Congratulations, Bakersfield!!


I thought STL is credited with that distinction.


STL, like PIT, is a former hub. Operations there were, at least at one time, quite large, but now that there's not a hub anymore, it has been "right-sized" to manage the needs of O&D.

BFL, on the other hand has seen itself start with absolutely nothing after deregulation to a few LAX commuter carriers. United was out of there so fast it was more like an evacuation than a departure, followed by Hughes Air West very shortly thereafter. Really depressing as a child to see your hometown being given a great big middle finger by every airline in existence...truly a hard lesson about basing one's entire economy on family owned mega-farms and oil boom and busts!

Never once saw Air Cal or PSA here, nor did Western fly here, except for a very brief time for SkyWest before Western merged with Delta.

In 1984, BFL saw mainline service begin in August, in the form of SBA-BFL-DFW flights on the new MD-80. United returned a few months later (first flight to/from BFL in nearly six years), first to SFO, followed by schizophrenic-like scheduling to DEN via FAT. At first, SFO and DEN flights were kept separate; however, the neatly-wrapped BFL-FAT-DEN triangle of two flights a day hit arrival banks perfect. Then someone at UA decided to do SFO-FAT-BFL-DEN flights, and their schedules went downhill after that.

Frank Lorenzo's Continental of the late 1980's swooped in, competing with UA for DEN passengers. And what happens at BFL when two carriers compete on the same route? Why, they BOTH cancel it! Yep, there in the summer of 1987, but both gone by 1988. CO into bankruptcy, and UA focused solely on BFL-SFO. America West began prop operations, bizarrely with four daily flights to LAS. Why is that bizarre? Because HP only had one bank of flights to/from LAS at that time, the night owl bank. Getting to PHX required a double-connect. Why on earth weren't those other three flights rescheduled to PHX? Heck if I know! I couldn't figure it out, and neither could HP - they were gone by 1990, only to return in the early 2000's.

And three flights a day to PHX and one LAS night-owl turn. Just like I predicted. Did a whole lot of the "Told-You-So" dance upon seeing the schedule...

By the mid 1990's, BFL still clung to its sole MD80 to DFW, but by 1998, not only was American canceling this route, they pulled Eagle operations out of BFL. For a short time (post-AA departure but pre-HP arrival), BFL was back to the days immediately following post-deregulation, with only United Express EM2 Brasilias to SFO and EMB Bandierantes to LAX.

Continental tried a second time to tap the BFL market, with ERJ-145XR's plying the skies to IAH (longest ERJ-145 flight around for a short period of time!), hoping enough oil business would keep the flight going. Nope! It was "temporarily suspended", but the issues between CO and its feeder airlines was contentious at that time, and ExpressJet tried branded operations, flying BFL-SAN and BFL-SMF. Even if ExpressJet lasted as an independent carrier, loads out of BFL were not good, as I understand. I flew four roundtrips from SAN to BFL with them, enjoying them while I could; but their demise meant the end of that route.

Mexicana also tried BFL, with the old terminal being re-purposed into an international terminal. The timing was perfect, as the William Thomas Terminal had just opened, with all operations having moved to this modern facility. BFL saw Mexicana to GDL for a period of time, but the economic crash of 2008 meant this route was pulled and has never returned.

When you have what is estimated (from the figures I have heard) at least a 68% leakage to LAX and other California airports coupled with a boom-or-somewhat-bust economy, you have a region that is going to have nearly zero premium demand, leading to a ghost town airport. The Fresno area, while similar in "personality" to Bakersfield, has two things working in its favor: a much further driving distance to LAX (similar to SFO in Fresno's case), and a desire to diversify its economy, leading to FAT's boom while BFL has languished.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:31 pm
by Sooner787
In other news...... construction of Terminal F has not started yet LOL :)

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:15 am
by stevend08
Sooner787 wrote:
In other news...... construction of Terminal F has not started yet LOL :)


The Terminal D Southern Extension which has now been dubbed as "Terminal F Phase 1" is supposed to be complete March 2021 and not a single piece of dirt has been turned yet.
Granted it looks like they have begun to close off some of the express south parking lots near the extension as I presume they'll need the space for construction equipment.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:33 am
by Planes4you
Will I have to circle? I’m flying ORD-DFW on the A321

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:52 am
by DFW17L
Planes4you wrote:
Will I have to circle? I’m flying ORD-DFW on the A321


As of 9:50 pm ct, the faa is saying arrivals are delayed 3 hr and 17 min. Good news, you won’t have to circle. Bad news, you’ll have to go to TUL or OKC, perhaps.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:30 am
by sccutler
Ramps and fueling infrastructure for Terminal F is in place. Preconstruction work is moving along aggressively, as well.

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:46 pm
by Planes4you
Who would go it to Helsinki from here AA or Finnair

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:30 pm
by FriscoHeavy
Planes4you wrote:
Who would go it to Helsinki from here AA or Finnair



What? Brother, I've mentioned before, please slow down and write a coherent sentence. I know you are only 15, but you know (or should) how to compose a sentence with periods and commas by that age.