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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri May 10, 2019 2:22 am

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According to the AWL document, the LOV of a 767-300BCF is 75,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours
The LOV of a 767-300F is 60,000 Flight Cycles and 180,000 Flight Hours.

So, it a bit closer to 70,000 flight hours left. Quite a bit of life for a freighter.


Can you provide proof of 180,000 hours? Because this document says 150,000. https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... ticle2.pdf
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 7:13 pm

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An ex-DL B763ER, N1501P, is now on the move after it's retirement from DL's fleet, and will become a freighter. I wonder why it was retired in the first place if it wasn't ready to be scrapped? (info from skyliner-aviation.de).

Boeing 767-3P6 24983 334 N409AZ Cargo Aircraft Management delivery 30 April 2019 SBD-ILN, old N-reg prior freighter conversion ex-N1501P

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1501P

N1501P has now flown to TLV, via SNN, for freighter conversion.

Boeing 767-3P6 24983 334 N1501P Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 12/14 May 2019 ILN-SNN-TLV, for freighter conversion...(skyliner-aviation.de).
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue May 14, 2019 7:27 pm

And N730WE is on its way back to CONUS, which I guess Skyliner didn't notice. To be N367AZ. The new photo of it when you track it on flightaware is excellent. Doesn't look too scary post-conversion.

And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 8:04 pm

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And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.

Actually it was noted in reply #120 above!
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 9:01 pm

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wjcandee wrote:
And 1501P is going to be N409AZ. Skyliner missed that. Flightaware has a good photo of it leaving SNN for TLV. Still has the satellite antenna on top.

The AZ suffix means both will be flying for Amazon, likely at ATI.

Actually it was noted in reply #120 above!


You are correct. My apologies. I remember seeing that post at the time and thinking they had jumped the gun on the number change before I read it more carefully.

I just forgot about that. Didn't mean to sound snitty; sometimes I just state info and then when I look at it later I realize that you can't tell from the typed words how it was intended if stated aloud.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:32 am

Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.
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Wed May 15, 2019 5:25 am

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Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

So much for reply #118 in answer to my post #115!
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:27 am

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Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am

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CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

So much for reply #118 in answer to my post #115!


Yeah the guy with the wrong information was pretty-definitive about it. Doh! :-)
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 7:52 am

Spacepope wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?


Boeing's monthly order and delivery update
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 8:08 am

Azur Air acquired yet another bird,

C/N27477 LN780 VP-BRA Azur Air delivery 12-14may19 GYR-BGR-SAW ex 4X-EAL

This one is one of the former El Al aircraft, a PW engined one, so most probably unwanted as a freighter. And they have one more to come LN853 as VQ-BEO ex Hawaiian as N581HA. There are a few more fairly young El AL frames on the market, wonder if they decide on acquiring more.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:19 pm

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Someone83 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.

That’d sure be neat, but what’s the source for this confirmation?


Boeing's monthly order and delivery update


Correct

Nice growth at UPS over the past several years. 28 new 747-8Fs, now 8 new 767-300Fs and the 3 767-300BCFs.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed May 15, 2019 8:18 pm

The first "new" UPS 767-300F since 2013

L/N 1180, N365UP, KPAE, May 15th 2019, landing after second flight with callsign BOE293 (B1 flight was at May 11th 2019 ), see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE
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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/11 ... 6993016832
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Wed May 15, 2019 8:26 pm

HONGKONG - Hong Kong airport is looking for a buyer for an abandoned Boeing 767-300ER from the Russian Transaero Airlines. If you put down $ 795,000 (about $ 700,000), you can take the device home.

The Boeing, with registration EI-DFS, was built in 1991 and flew for Royal Brunei Airlines, Ethiopian Airlines and Transaero Airlines. When the latter company went bankrupt in 2015 and lost its flight permit, the 767 remained behind in Hong Kong.

Because the aircraft takes up valuable space, Hong Kong airport now wants to get rid of it. Flying away just like that is not possible: the device first requires intensive maintenance and, in addition, the required maintenance documents are lost.

The chance is therefore high that the device will go to demolition, but also a conversion into a restaurant, garden house or play paradise is possible. Those interested can make a bid until 7 August. Viewing is possible on June 5 and 26.


source in Dutch

So, if you have some spare money lying around....
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:56 am

Seen the present ground and flight tests of UPS B767-300F N365UP with Rockwell Collins Large Format Displays (according UPS spec's), I did some research on the certification requirements of this LDS installation.

First I was looking into the B767 Type certificate.
See : http://rgl.faa.gov/regulatory_and_guida ... Rev_37.pdf
I was surprised to discover that a new 767 sub-type (see VII. 767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System) was created.
Aircraft listed in this sub-type were produced with a Rockwell Collins, Inc. STC number ST01750WI installed during production.

STC number ST01750W see : http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... 1750WI.pdf

Conclusions :
The first three Fedex 767-32SF aircraft (N101FE-103FE) were delivered with the old Dispay system installed, but wiring changes already included for modification to LDS
The following 767-32SF aircraft (N104FE - N128FE) were delivered with LDS installed, but certified with STC number ST01750W
L/N 1090, N129FE, delivered 24 November 2015 was the first to be certified as factory certified "767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System"
L/N 1180, N365UP will be the first "non Fedex" 767-300F to be delivered as a "767-300F Major Design Change – Large Format Display System" according unique "UPS specification"
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Thu May 16, 2019 1:37 pm

CX747 wrote:
Not sure if this was reported but it looks like the February 22, 2019 UFO for (4) 767-300Fs was placed by UPS.


UPS 767-300F Backlog

UPS 4x767-300F 01-Feb-2018
UPS 3x767-300F 30-Mar-2018
UPS 2x767-300F 15-Jun-2018
UPS 4x767-300F 22-Feb-2019

Total 13
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Thu May 16, 2019 4:33 pm

Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 6:19 pm

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Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.
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Thu May 16, 2019 7:36 pm

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Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.

Yes that's true, but it did exit UA's fleet in Nov 2005, and then flew for Asia Atlantic Airlines as HS-AAC from July 2013 until Jan 2019. I don't know where it was (stored?) from Nov 2005 when it left UA, until July 2013.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 7:40 pm

Several other movements courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de:

Boeing 767-33A 25534 477 YA-KMR Kam Air delivery 13 May 2019 SAW-KBP ex UR-AAH
Boeing 767-31B 26259 534 D-ABUL Condor ferried 15 May 2019 MAN-FRA after paint into new cs ex EI-CRD
Boeing 767‑319(F) 26912 509 N730WE Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 14-15 May 2019 TLV-SNN-CVG-ROW after freighter conversion ex ZK-NCG
Boeing 767-24Q 28270 629 N767CJ Elan Express ferried / in svc 09/11 May 2019 AMA-YHM-PLS after paint into “Air Drake” cs (Canadian rap-star Drake) ex N767KS
Boeing 767-304(F) 28979 691 B-20AC SF Airlines delivery 13 May 2019 TPE-HAN-SZX after freighter conversion, N-reg canx at HAN ex N661AC
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 7:27 am

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bennett123 wrote:
Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 9:09 am

Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 10:53 am

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Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).


That is really interesting, I didn't know that. Then I do really wonder why there are quite a few young PW birds at age 20-25 around and still birds like N354AA get converted?
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 11:13 am

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wjcandee wrote:
Atlas is operating 2 PW-engined 767-300Fs for Amazon (N1511A, N1619A) and one more in the passenger fleet (N662GT). ABX Air operates 3 (N219CY, N220CY, N226CY).


That is really interesting, I didn't know that. Then I do really wonder why there are quite a few young PW birds at age 20-25 around and still birds like N354AA get converted?


Because you are right that the GE is more-popular, and these leasing companies want to give the operators what they would prefer.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 11:36 am

NG263 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Dutchy

IMO, lack of maintenance records will be a deal breaker.

Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.

Which is strange as I had checked Airfleets.net before typing that and they say it’s a CF6 bird. Perhaps they have an error that needs to get updated? https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25346.htm
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Fri May 17, 2019 12:45 pm

Spacepope wrote:
NG263 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Are the engines still on it, because CF-6s even for parts might be worthwhile. I agree that lack of records will end up the doom of the airframe, but with all the freighter conversions lately there are plenty of parts that can get stripped, inspected, and put into the spares pool.

Skyliner-aviation.de also reports an ex-UA 763 is headed to the Houston Rockets, LN 449.


it is a PW bird, might also be a reason why I did not leave earlier. The CF-6 767'S are basically not on the market, at least almost no frames parked around that are below 30 years of age. The PW's are somehow not as beloved as freighters as the CF-6 frames. Kalitta bought 3 or 4 of the ex Transaero 767s, all CF-6 engined, that were parked around for some time since Transaero went bankrupt and are all converted now. Most probably this 767 will not leave Hong Kong in one piece unfortunately.

Which is strange as I had checked Airfleets.net before typing that and they say it’s a CF6 bird. Perhaps they have an error that needs to get updated? https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25346.htm


Possibly, planespotters.net lists it as PW bird & pictures seem to prove that. It has the thin engine cowlings compared to the bigger ones that the CF-6 has.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 5:02 am

Another ex-ANA B763 has ferried from HND>ANC>SBD for part-out and scrap (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767-381 25660 539 JA8670 ANA All Nippon ferried 23-24May 2019 HND-ANC-SBD, for part-out & scrap.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 5:16 am

N153DL
N376AN
N381AN
N389AA
N830WE
This is all for Amazon Prime right?

Also quick question about N367AZ, that's also amazon prime too?
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 7:20 am

The current plan (things can change):
153DL (currently stored at SBD) plans unknown
376AN will be 344CM, currently on ATI certificate, running 5 days a week for UPS; future plans unknown
381AN (currently stored at ROW) plans unknown
389AA (currently stored at MZJ) has been renumbered 432AX, going to Omni as a passenger aircraft.
830WE (in conversion at ILN) plans unknown

730WE is at ROW for paint now, following conversion at ILN. Should be done in a couple of days. Will become 367AZ, as you point out, so going to Amazon.

When I say, "unknown", I mean unknown to me. What I do know is that there is at least one non-Amazon customer that wants to dry lease at least one and possibly two 767-300s when/if they are available. My understanding that CAM currently has commitments on everything coming off the line before late this year. As an EWAG, figure August for 354AA, September for 830WE, November for 1501P (those are the 3 currently at TLV in conversion).

There are a few others you probably know about:

373AA was going to be 359CM, and is going to paint on 6/2. But now it's going to be 379AZ, so it's going to Amazon and will likely come out of paint in Prime Air colors.

382CM, formerly 930WE, will become 389AZ, just back from being repainted in Prime Air colors. At ILN now. So going to Amazon.

354AA is at TLV in conversion now. Will become 397AZ, so going to Amazon.

1501P is at TLV in conversion now. Will become 409AZ, so going to Amazon.

So we know of five that definitively will be going to Amazon.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 7:51 am

Correction: 830WE is in conversion at TLV (obviously not ILN, duh).
Similarly, 730WE completed conversion at TLV (not ILN, clearly I was having a brain cramp, geez), currently at ROW getting painted into Amazon livery.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 11:22 am

The next 767-300F for Federal Express

L/N 1182 C/N 63106 B767-300F N175FE FEDEX (VT626) “Ahnya Kailani”, KPAE, May 23th 2019
First (B1) flight with callsign BOE626, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE

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See : https://www.airliners.net/photo/FedEx-Fe ... 0F/5540391

Latest additions to the firing order :

L/N 1179 C/N 64056 B767-300F N296FE FEDEX (VT625) “Sullivan
L/N 1180 C/N 65788 B767-300F N365UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR293)
L/N 1181 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 18-46049 USAF KC-46A (VH049) Lot 4, #09/18, tail 86049
L/N 1182 C/N 63106 B767-300F N175FE FEDEX (VT626) “Ahnya Kailani”
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:06 pm

When was the last 767-300 non-er delivered?
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:13 pm

wjcandee wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
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The current UPS 767 (and 757) fleet is also upgraded to the same Rockwell Collins Large Display System (LDS)
A total of 62 UPS 767-300's will be (are already) upgraded.

The 767s are being done at ILN. I think they're currently on the second one.
The 757s are being done somewhere else.


Cascade Aerospace at YXX. They do a lot of Rockwell Collins avionics (and other electronics) upgrades, including for the Canadian and Mexican military. Still, this will be a nice contract for them.

The IS&S FPDS upgrade was designed to be fairly-plug-compatible. The Rockwell Collins one seems to be more robust but also to require more labor and training. It also relocates quite a few warning/info lights on the panel. (IS&S had a concept to replace the EICAS CRTs, but I don't think they ever certified it, so the Rockwell Collins solution dumps two more CRTs than IS&S does.)

Don't CRTs last longer than LCDs?
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:14 pm

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When was the last 767-300 non-er delivered?


In passenger form, on 23 August 2001 to Shanghai Airlines per Boeing's Orders and Deliveries page.
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 9:00 pm

The following 767-32SF aircraft (N101FE - N128FE) were delivered with classic cockpits installed, and LDS installed in MEM by FedEx before revenue service. but certified with STC number ST01750W. Their were four sets of classic instruments that would be removed in MEM and sent back to Boeing to be reused on production a/c.
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 9:02 pm

N297FE & N298FE have LDS installed.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 11:48 am

According latest info received : N365UP will be delivered (together with UPS 747-8F N616UP) in a double delivery, scheduled for 27 June 2019.
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Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm

The next B763F for FedEx, N175FE, was delivered yesterday from PAE>IND.
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:20 am

Maybe you guys caught this, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere (although Planespotters.net now seems to have it):

379AA moved to ROW on 5/21/19. wfu on 5/20/19. Ln 481. Delivered 3/93.

Presumably this is one that CAM will purchase via its options with Jetran and convert.

Did we know that more AA 767s were coming out of service in 2019? I was thinking that more weren't coming until late this year or early 2020, but I may be confused. CAM still has two more frames (153DL and 381AN) waiting to go to TLV to convert, so presumably this will slot in behind them if it is to be converted. As it is, anything that goes to TLV now won't be converted and ready for service until after this year's Peak (i.e. early 2020).

Also, 347AN moved to TUL on 5/29/19, but that may just be for scheduled maintenance.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:37 pm

N365UP, UPS newest 763F was delivered yesterday. It flew to SAT instead of SDF. I'm guessing its going to VT San Antonio Aerospace for winglet fitting.

https://twitter.com/spotterkoeln/status ... 47232?s=09
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:46 pm

Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:54 pm

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Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.


Think B767 winglets are an after market product.,
Therefore, other companies other than Boeing would fit...?
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm

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Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.


I don't think they are a factory option. FedEx is not fitting winglets to their new 763F fleet and UPS has them on all their 763F fleet except for their three 763BCF.
 
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:56 pm

dcs921 wrote:
DY789 wrote:
Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.


I don't think they are a factory option. FedEx is not fitting winglets to their new 763F fleet and UPS has them on all their 763F fleet except for their three 763BCF.


On the 767-300 the Aviation Partners Boeing blended winglets are only available as a retrofit kit, see : http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/s ... trofit.php
In this case : perhaps some parts of the kit are already installed at the FAL, following contract negotiations between Boeing and UPS.
Only the 737-700 and -800 the winglets can (could) be installed "in production by Boeing ", see : http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/s ... uction.php
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:26 am

N365UP was flown to SDF on 25Jun19 after having its winglets fitted at SAT.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/ ... 788-7-1-67
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:40 pm

dcs921 wrote:
DY789 wrote:
Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.


I don't think they are a factory option. FedEx is not fitting winglets to their new 763F fleet and UPS has them on all their 763F fleet except for their three 763BCF.


Are UPS 763F flights longer than FedEx 763F flight?
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:35 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
dcs921 wrote:
DY789 wrote:
Just a quick question...

Would winglets to these aircraft get bolted on as such by Boeing before delivery or is it entirely down to the operator to fit them? Just seems bizarre in today's climate, a newly built 767 wouldn't have winglets fitted.


I don't think they are a factory option. FedEx is not fitting winglets to their new 763F fleet and UPS has them on all their 763F fleet except for their three 763BCF.


Are UPS 763F flights longer than FedEx 763F flight?


I can't give you an exact answer to if UPS flights are longer than FedEx flights. What I can speak to.

UPS uses their 763F on a wide variety of flights. They are used for domestic US, TATL, TPAC, European, Americas and Asian flights.

FedEx bought their 763F primarily as replacements for their older A300 and MD-10 fleets. Which are mainly used on domestic US flights. I'm sure they are used in other roles but I can't say for certain.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:47 pm

dcs921 wrote:
I can't give you an exact answer to if UPS flights are longer than FedEx flights. What I can speak to.

UPS uses their 763F on a wide variety of flights. They are used for domestic US, TATL, TPAC, European, Americas and Asian flights.

FedEx bought their 763F primarily as replacements for their older A300 and MD-10 fleets. Which are mainly used on domestic US flights. I'm sure they are used in other roles but I can't say for certain.


Thanks dcs921.

It is possible that FX do not see the same benefits of the winglets that UPS do.

It's interesting to see 2 airlines in the same region, operating in the same section of the industry (freight) and using the same aircraft model choosing somewhat different paths for said aircraft.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:41 pm

dcs921 wrote:
N365UP was flown to SDF on 25Jun19 after having its winglets fitted at SAT.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/ ... 788-7-1-67
UPS will not be installing winglets on this new batch of 767s.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:40 pm

FedEx not having winglets on 767 & 757 has to do with gate space.

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