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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:15 am

The next B763F for FedEx, N177FE, was delivered on Tuesday from PAE>IND.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:52 pm

Federal Express ordered six (6) additional 767-300F aircraft at June 24th 2019, see latest Boeing orders & delivery update of June 30th.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:26 am

The next 767-300F, L/N 1185, MSN 63107, N176FE for Federal Express, returning to Paine Field from her 5e or 6e flight at July 11th 2019

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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/11 ... 5633592321

First flight was at July 5th 2019 with callsign BOE628, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE

The following , to be produced 767-300F aircraft are already listed in the N-registry, see : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... 0&PageNo=1

L/N 1186? C/N 65789 B767-300F N366UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE

L/N XXXX C/N 63109 B767-300F N178FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 63110 B767-300F N179FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 63111 B767-300F N180FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 63112 B767-300F N181FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 63113 B767-300F N182FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 64057 B767-300F N119FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 64058 B767-300F N136FE FEDEX
L/N XXXX C/N 65790 B767-300F N367UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE
L/N XXXX C/N 65907 B767-300F N368UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE
L/N XXXX C/N 66240 B767-300F N369UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:33 pm

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Federal Express ordered six (6) additional 767-300F aircraft at June 24th 2019, see latest Boeing orders & delivery update of June 30th.

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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:01 pm

Latest movements (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767-381 25661 543 JA8674 ANA All Nippon ferried 11-12 July 2019 HND-ANC-SBD, for part-out & scrap
Boeing 767-316 29228 699 N304CM Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 11-13 July 2019 ILN-SNN-TLV for freighter conversion, ex CC-CZT
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:27 pm

KPAE update :

L/N 1185 C/N 63107 B767-300F N176FE FEDEX (VT628) delivery flight to Indiapolis at July 15.

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Original uploaded by Matt Cawby, see : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/07/paine- ... ly-15.html


L/N 1186 C/N 65789 B767-300F N366UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR294) made her first (B1) flight at July 17th with callsign BOE294, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE


L/N 1187 C/N 63109 B767-300F N178FE FEDEX (VT629) , seen at July 19th, just before moving to paint hangar 45-01.

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L/N 1188 C/N xxxxx B767-2LKC 18-46051 USAF KC-46A (VH051) Lot 4, #11/18, tail 86051
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:39 am

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L/N 1186 C/N 65789 B767-300F N366UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR294) made her first (B1) flight at July 17th with callsign BOE294, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE



N366UP, landing at Paine Field after a customer flight, July 23th 2019.

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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:32 am

L/N 1187 C/N 63109 B767-300F N178FE FEDEX , made her first (B1) flight from Paine Field (PAE) towards Spokane (GEG) at July 28th 2019. Callsign was BOE629.

See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KGEG
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:57 pm

Latest movement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767‑323(F) 24035 211 N354AA Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 31 Jul-01 Aug 2019 TLV-SNN-CVG after freighter conversion, reg N397AZ res
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:24 pm

audidudi wrote:
Latest movement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767‑323(F) 24035 211 N354AA Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 31 Jul-01 Aug 2019 TLV-SNN-CVG after freighter conversion, reg N397AZ res


It's still in Shannon, but presumably will be on its way by tomorrow. Have a look at the photos of it. LOTS of skin work.

For what it's worth:

CC-CZU is moving to ILN today. Presumably will be going to TLV for conversion after registration to CAM. LATAM had it in MEX for several months. (It of course occurs to me that MEX is an IAI/Bedek conversion site, but I don't believe that it has already been converted.) Its sister, CC-CZT is already at TLV being converted (after being reregistered as N304CM.)

I-AIGG has been at TLV since 3/20. Now reregistered to CAM, with tail number N392UP. First of 4 767s that will be converted by CAM and dry-leased to UPS. Other than the JAL birds, UPS 767s have heretofore been purchased new by them. Now they're picking up 4 conversions via CAM.

I-AIGJ has been at TLV since 4/2. Presumably the same thing will happen to it -- conversion by CAM at IAI/Bedek and dry-lease to UPS.

N367AZ has been going through post-conversion-and-painting induction at ILN since 6/18/19. It's in the middle of a test flight right now, so should be in service at ATI shortly.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:16 am

UPS second new 763F of 2019 was delivered 26Jul.

https://twitter.com/UPSAirlines/status/1157052781699764225?s=19
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:36 am

Looks like Uzbekistan is getting rid of the 767's. All of the articles I've found are under a stupid paywall, but this seems like a waste of a young pax fleet. :frown:

https://cargofacts.com/for-sale-on-face ... -and-767s/

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 767s-b757s
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:26 pm

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Looks like Uzbekistan is getting rid of the 767's. All of the articles I've found are under a stupid paywall, but this seems like a waste of a young pax fleet. :frown:


Well they were secured due to delays in their initial 787 deliveries so now that they have most of those frames (at least 5 of 7, if not more) the 767s may now be redundant.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:13 am

Fedex N178FE delivery flight Paine Field (KPAE) towards Indianapolis (KIND) with callsign FX9035 at August 8th 2019, see :
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX ... /KPAE/KIND

N178FE, named : "Paisley" , KPAE, August 8th 2019

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Aircraft data : L/N 1187 C/N 63109 B767-300F N178FE FEDEX (VT629) "Paisley"
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:28 pm

Boeing is increasing 767 production to 3 per month https://twitter.com/boeingairplanes/sta ... 11040?s=21
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:42 pm

Kind of not surprised. FedEx and UPS really like the plane and Amazon may eventually decide to operate their own metal so they would need a significant number.

I'm guessing UPS is getting ready to start A300-600 replacements (AirFleets shows the average age of the fleet is 16 years) and they operate close to 60 of the type.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:26 am

Stitch wrote:
Kind of not surprised. FedEx and UPS really like the plane and Amazon may eventually decide to operate their own metal so they would need a significant number.

I'm guessing UPS is getting ready to start A300-600 replacements (AirFleets shows the average age of the fleet is 16 years) and they operate close to 60 of the type.


UPS is far from replacing their A300-600. Their oldest ones only has about 20,000 hours and about 13,000 cycles. UPS is investing in cockpit upgrades for their A300s. N173UP is in TLS right now for certification of the upgrades.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:02 am

dcs921 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Kind of not surprised. FedEx and UPS really like the plane and Amazon may eventually decide to operate their own metal so they would need a significant number.

I'm guessing UPS is getting ready to start A300-600 replacements (AirFleets shows the average age of the fleet is 16 years) and they operate close to 60 of the type.


UPS is far from replacing their A300-600. Their oldest ones only has about 20,000 hours and about 13,000 cycles. UPS is investing in cockpit upgrades for their A300s. N173UP is in TLS right now for certification of the upgrades.


In fact, UPS is talking about keeping the A300-600s around until 2035. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-437223/

What's most-interesting about the Primus Epic upgrade from Honeywell that is going into the A300s is that it leaves the steam gauges and CRTs in the center of the panel completely-untouched.

The Rockwell Collins Large Format Display System that is contemporaneously going into the UPS 767s and 757s replaces all the old instruments in the center of the console.

AMES is doing the 767s in ILN, and the 757s are being done at Cascade Aerospace in Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:31 am

wjcandee wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767‑323(F) 24035 211 N354AA Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 31 Jul-01 Aug 2019 TLV-SNN-CVG after freighter conversion, reg N397AZ res


It's still in Shannon, but presumably will be on its way by tomorrow. Have a look at the photos of it. LOTS of skin work.

For what it's worth:

CC-CZU is moving to ILN today. Presumably will be going to TLV for conversion after registration to CAM. LATAM had it in MEX for several months. (It of course occurs to me that MEX is an IAI/Bedek conversion site, but I don't believe that it has already been converted.) Its sister, CC-CZT is already at TLV being converted (after being reregistered as N304CM.)

I-AIGG has been at TLV since 3/20. Now reregistered to CAM, with tail number N392UP. First of 4 767s that will be converted by CAM and dry-leased to UPS. Other than the JAL birds, UPS 767s have heretofore been purchased new by them. Now they're picking up 4 conversions via CAM.

I-AIGJ has been at TLV since 4/2. Presumably the same thing will happen to it -- conversion by CAM at IAI/Bedek and dry-lease to UPS.

N367AZ has been going through post-conversion-and-painting induction at ILN since 6/18/19. It's in the middle of a test flight right now, so should be in service at ATI shortly.


UPS having planes on operating leases will be interesting. All of the current UPS stock is owned or capital-leased (capital leases count as assets of UPS)...these will be the first operating leases in a long time.

1989worstyear wrote:
Looks like Uzbekistan is getting rid of the 767's. All of the articles I've found are under a stupid paywall, but this seems like a waste of a young pax fleet. :frown:

https://cargofacts.com/for-sale-on-face ... -and-767s/

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 767s-b757s


CAM should be all over those frames, but not for conversions. Rather, they would be suitable for their subsidiary Omni Air while the existing Omni Air stock is converted to freighters. Those are end-of-the-line B763 pax frames (the only customer after them for the newest frames was Air Astana). The older frames were already converted to freighters. The other potential buyer could be United Airlines, to either replace older B763s with newer ones, or to grow the high-J subfleet.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:30 am

aemoreira1981: I haven't seen the terms of the UPS leases, so I'm not completely-convinced that they are operating leases. If we knew the lease term, that would tell us almost-instantly. The estimated useful life of a converted 767-300 freighter is 20 years from conversion. So if the lease is less than 15 years (75 percent of the estimated useful life of 20 years), then it's by definition an operating lease. I'm assuming that these are most-likely 10-or-12-year leases with renewal options, so you are likely correct. But we can probably figure it out from the UPS financials or press releases; I just haven't made the effort.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:49 am

According the Cargo Aircraft Managment (CAM) website ALL CAM B767-300BDSF aircraft are fitted with the IS&S Flat Panel Display in the cockpit for improved operation and lower costs.
See : https://www.cargoleasing.com/cargo-airc ... 67-300.asp

Seen the fact that all owned (or financial leased) UPS 767 (and 757) aircraft are equipped or will be upgraded with the Rockwell Collins Large Format Display System (LDS) these CAM leases will probably be operational leases to increase capacity until new factory built UPS 767-300F aircraft will be available.
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Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:07 pm

747classic: That's an interesting observation. I know that all-or-almost-all of the CAM aircraft leased to Amazon have the IS&S FPDS solution. Of course, they are being flown by ABX and ATI pilots, who are accustomed to that configuration. The UPS aircraft are going to be flown by UPS pilots, who will be getting accustomed to the Rockwell Collins LDS. Depending upon the length of the leases, it could well make sense to equip the UPS aircraft with the LDS. Given that CAM's sister company AMES (Airborne Maintenance and Engineering Services) is installing the LDS on UPS's aircraft at ILN, it would be easy enough to do.

CAM does offer all 3 avionics solutions on its 767s -- Legacy box, PIP box and Pegasus -- depending upon what the customer is willing to pay for. I heard tale of them pulling Pegasus from one aircraft when being leased, because the customer didn't want to pay for it. Out it came, replaced with the Legacy box. Don't know if that tale is true, but it fits.

So I could see the LDS going into these UPS aircraft. I do think that the aircraft are less-temporary than you think. Given UPS's need to expand the number of UPS-Pilot-operated aircraft -- and quick -- this is a fast way to get long-term metal on the property. But a quick look didn't turn up any references that I saw to the length of these leases. Maybe someone was smart enough to ask the question at the latest ATSG earnings call, which I didn't listen to.
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:33 am

On 13 August 2019, Airport of Thailand started scrapping process of Jet Asia B767-2J6ER HS-JAK which has been in storage at BKK since June 2015.

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Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:32 am

Lots of B767 movement last week with Air Incheon has returned their sole B767-300F:

Boeing 767‑381(F) 25136 379 JA8356 ANA All Nippon ferried 13-14aug19 HND-ANC-ILN, for Cargo Aircraft Management?
Boeing 767‑323(F) 25202 441 HL8319 Air Incheon ferried 05-06aug19 ICN-ANC-ILN on return to lessor ex N7375A
Boeing 767‑324(F) 27568 593 N663GT Atlas Air delivery 17aug19 TPE-ANC-CVG, all white after freighter conversion ex I-NDDL
Boeing 767-316 29229 729 N308CM Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 19-21aug19 ILN-SNN-TLV for freighter conversion ex CC-CZU
Boeing 767-316 34629 944 N542LA Latam Cargo Colombia ferried 11-12aug19 BOG-LAX-ANC-QPG for freighter conversion ex LV-CFV
Boeing 767-300F 63109 1187 N178FE FedEx delivery 08aug19 PAE-IND
Source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3

N542LA in her last picture as passenger configuration before conversion to cargo. Seen here in her final into Paya Lebar, Singapore. https://www.facebook.com/FLAPV1/photos/ ... =3&theater
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:10 am

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N542LA in her last picture as passenger configuration before conversion to cargo. Seen here in her final into Paya Lebar, Singapore. https://www.facebook.com/FLAPV1/photos/ ... =3&theater


I picked up this aircraft from the factory in its original configuration and registration CC-CWG. Sad to see it go, but happy it isn't being broken up. Does bring a lot of memories back.

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:08 am

First flight of the next 767-300F for Fedex, registration N119FE, at August 22th with callsign BOE630 , see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE

Aircraft data : L/N 1189 C/N 64057 B767-300F N119FE FEDEX (VT630)

See : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/08/paine- ... st-23.html

Note : Registration N119FE was occupied until 2012 by an (ex Fedex) 727-100 aircraft, stored at the Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum and not used in the registration sequence of the Fedex 767-300F fleet.

See : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33xsVcLYes

Aircraft data : Eastern Airlines 727-025C, L/N 352, MSN 19301, F/F 1/3/67, Del 1/27/67, N8154G, transferred 6/9/81 Fedex, N119FE, "Steffani Lynn" , Donated Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum, Michigan 2003, N-registration cancelled at 06/04/2012, scrapped ?
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:26 am

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Very much enjoyed reading the responses to my question about leases, esp. the Delta MD11 story. And it confirmed my suspicion that it could be complicated.


Some of those Delta MD-11 Frames has less than 5k cycles and 30k hours
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:11 am

SEQU wrote:
juliuswong wrote:

N542LA in her last picture as passenger configuration before conversion to cargo. Seen here in her final into Paya Lebar, Singapore. https://www.facebook.com/FLAPV1/photos/ ... =3&theater


I picked up this aircraft from the factory in its original configuration and registration CC-CWG. Sad to see it go, but happy it isn't being broken up. Does bring a lot of memories back.

Saludos,

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I know - seems like a waste being only 13. I think LAN is retiring all of the 767's.
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:17 pm

One new movement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Boeing 767-319(F) 26913 558 N830WE Cargo Aircraft Management ferried 25 Aug 2019 TLV-SNN after freighter conversion, reg N419AZ res, ex ZK-NCI
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:42 pm

One new movement (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de);

Boeing 767‑304(F) 28041 614 N392UP United Parcel Services air-test at TLV 27 Aug 2019 after freighter conversion prior delivery, ex I-AIGG
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:46 pm

392UP is a CAM aircraft. First of 4 they're leasing to UPS this year. Should be leaving TLV within a few days.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:46 pm

The 75th 767-300F for Federal Express has been delivered.

L/N 1189 C/N 64057 B767-300F N119FE FEDEX (VT630) delivery flight FX9035 towards Indianapolis at August 29th 2019.
See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX ... /KPAE/KIND

N119FE, named " Landon ", KPAE, August 29.

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Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:59 pm

N392UP is arriving at CVG right now (8/30/19) following freighter conversion at TLV. First of 4 to be leased from CAM by the end of the year.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:04 am

The next new built 767-300F for UPS, N367UP, performed her first (B1) flight at September 01th with callsign BOE295
See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KMWH

Aircraft data : L/N 1190 C/N 65790 B767-300F N367UP UNITED PARCEL SERVICE (VR295)

N367UP, KPAE, Sept 01th 2019

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Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:03 pm

So 767-300 N156DL is scheduled to fly to ILN from ATL tomorrow. Given that it is proximate in N-number to the two ex-DL aircraft that CAM acquired from DL this year (N1501P and N153DL), one wonders whether it is another frame going for cargo conversion. OTOH, AMES does do some work on DL aircraft at ILN, so this also could be an HMV being undertaken now that the summer flying season is over. Any ideas?
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:24 pm

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So 767-300 N156DL is scheduled to fly to ILN from ATL tomorrow. Given that it is proximate in N-number to the two ex-DL aircraft that CAM acquired from DL this year (N1501P and N153DL), one wonders whether it is another frame going for cargo conversion. OTOH, AMES does do some work on DL aircraft at ILN, so this also could be an HMV being undertaken now that the summer flying season is over. Any ideas?

I could be wrong but i don't believe it is due to be retired for a while. 171-175 are the next in line for retirement IIRC so this should be maintenance.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:34 pm

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So 767-300 N156DL is scheduled to fly to ILN from ATL tomorrow. Given that it is proximate in N-number to the two ex-DL aircraft that CAM acquired from DL this year (N1501P and N153DL), one wonders whether it is another frame going for cargo conversion. OTOH, AMES does do some work on DL aircraft at ILN, so this also could be an HMV being undertaken now that the summer flying season is over. Any ideas?

I could be wrong but i don't believe it is due to be retired for a while. 171-175 are the next in line for retirement IIRC so this should be maintenance.


When are 171-175 scheduled to get parked? I just looked and in Feb 171 had over 131,000 hours on her. 156 is a spring chicken with just 117,000 hours on her as of last December.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:52 pm

Spacepope: What are the cycles on each? Looking at recent flying, these things often get 9+ flying hours per cycle.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:44 pm

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When are 171-175 scheduled to get parked? I just looked and in Feb 171 had over 131,000 hours on her. 156 is a spring chicken with just 117,000 hours on her as of last December.

The first ones were expected to go towards the end of the W19-20 schedule.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:04 pm

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Spacepope: What are the cycles on each? Looking at recent flying, these things often get 9+ flying hours per cycle.


At 131k hours it was just a touch over 18k cycles. Now I know what you're thinking, but even CAM has to pass up on SOME feedstock.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:10 am

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Spacepope: What are the cycles on each? Looking at recent flying, these things often get 9+ flying hours per cycle.


At 131k hours it was just a touch over 18k cycles. Now I know what you're thinking, but even CAM has to pass up on SOME feedstock.


:D :D :D

It's true that the older DL frames that they have sent to TLV have had about 20,000 fewer hours than that. But that's such a low cycles number...
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:30 am

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At a minimum, AA will gather and review the maintenance records and inspect and rectify certain discrepancies, if any are found.


There have often been assumptions that if a plane is returned just about the time a major overhaul/heavy check is needed that the airline is responsible for paying for it. Wouldn't it be more common for leasing fees to be such that at the end of the lease the above quoted minimum be done. In most other sorts of leases you pay for a certain level of usage, and at the end of the lease you hand over a used but not misused nor overused piece of equipment and walk away.

Many if not Most leased airplanes have a reserve in the fees to account toward the Next Overhaul or Heavy check to come whether it's for the Engines or airframe,
Not many if any Leasing companies make that Mistake anymore. It was rampant in the '80's and early 90's.. I made a LOT of money as a Rep, shepherding airplanes through Overhauls before going to work at United. I know of aircraft owners who Paid United to keep their Airplanes on United's Maintenance Certificate even after the Lease was up to make their Transition easier to another Carrier.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:28 am

Question-Are the new build 767 coming of the line for FEDEX & UPS getting the PW upgraded engine that was for the ARMY?
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:39 am

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Question-Are the new build 767 coming of the line for FEDEX & UPS getting the PW upgraded engine that was for the ARMY?


The engine on the tanker is made by PW. However, the engines on the FedEx and UPS new-build 767-300 freighters are GE CF6-80C2B6Fs. So it's the latest version of the GE engine suitable for a 767 (albeit a 20+-year-old design), but it's a GE, not a PW.

The GE seems to be the preferred powerplant on 767-300 conversions, by a significant margin.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:47 am

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Spacepope: What are the cycles on each? Looking at recent flying, these things often get 9+ flying hours per cycle.


At 131k hours it was just a touch over 18k cycles. Now I know what you're thinking, but even CAM has to pass up on SOME feedstock.


That's actually amazing that a plane can have that few cycles and that many hours. It has to be up there in top 20 of most well-used airframes of all time. That said, it is due for a D-check soon, and that will be what finally gets this frame retired. Even N1501P was only just over 110,000 hours. What I could see CAM doing though is buying N171DN for parts such as cargo doors and anything not life-limited.
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:13 am

At about 131,000 hours, I would think she is in the middle of the second base cycle (i.e. between the second C8 and the second C12), assuming that DL has them on MSG-3 segmented C-checks.

Assuming I'm doing the math right (and I may not be because I don't know DL's maintenance program), I think you are looking at 144,000 hours for the C12, and the C8 would have been at about 120,000 hours.

Happy to be corrected by people who actually do this for a living...
 
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:24 am

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At about 131,000 hours, I would think she is in the middle of the second base cycle (i.e. between the second C8 and the second C12), assuming that DL has them on MSG-3 segmented C-checks.

Assuming I'm doing the math right (and I may not be because I don't know DL's maintenance program), I think you are looking at 144,000 hours for the C12, and the C8 would have been at about 120,000 hours.

Happy to be corrected by people who actually do this for a living...


Which is all well and good, but that brings us to another interesting question:

What’s the highest hour tally an airliner has been operated ever? I seem to recall the record holder as a KLM 744 recently parked, and it wasn’t too much more than this. I’d assume our DL bird has a bit north of 133,000 on it now after summer season.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:41 am

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
At about 131,000 hours, I would think she is in the middle of the second base cycle (i.e. between the second C8 and the second C12), assuming that DL has them on MSG-3 segmented C-checks.

Assuming I'm doing the math right (and I may not be because I don't know DL's maintenance program), I think you are looking at 144,000 hours for the C12, and the C8 would have been at about 120,000 hours.

Happy to be corrected by people who actually do this for a living...


Which is all well and good, but that brings us to another interesting question:

What’s the highest hour tally an airliner has been operated ever? I seem to recall the record holder as a KLM 744 recently parked, and it wasn’t too much more than this. I’d assume our DL bird has a bit north of 133,000 on it now after summer season.


Agreed. It seems to be doing about 300 hours per month, which would confirm your number. To go into conversion at 135,000 hours (say), with an expectation of flying another 20 years, even at the lower number of daily hours that most cargo aircraft operate, you would be looking at well over 155,000 hours at the end of 20 years, which seems improbable.

Remarkably (and probably as a compliment to DL's maintenance), the recent SDRs on the aircraft are mostly minor stuff like signage lights and batteries needing repair.
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Re: Boeing 767 Production/Activity Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:54 am

wjcandee wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
At about 131,000 hours, I would think she is in the middle of the second base cycle (i.e. between the second C8 and the second C12), assuming that DL has them on MSG-3 segmented C-checks.

Assuming I'm doing the math right (and I may not be because I don't know DL's maintenance program), I think you are looking at 144,000 hours for the C12, and the C8 would have been at about 120,000 hours.

Happy to be corrected by people who actually do this for a living...


Which is all well and good, but that brings us to another interesting question:

What’s the highest hour tally an airliner has been operated ever? I seem to recall the record holder as a KLM 744 recently parked, and it wasn’t too much more than this. I’d assume our DL bird has a bit north of 133,000 on it now after summer season.


Agreed. It seems to be doing about 300 hours per month, which would confirm your number. To go into conversion at 135,000 hours (say), with an expectation of flying another 20 years, even at the lower number of daily hours that most cargo aircraft operate, you would be looking at well over 155,000 hours at the end of 20 years, which seems improbable.

Indeed. PH-BFC was regarded as the record holder at the time with over 141,000 hours. Let’s face it, some of these stupid-high time 763s need to head to the breakers and give up their engines. Agh these high times, even with a great 20 year plan, the aging airframe check regimen alone make the economic sense.. unattainable. I think we will see someone else pulling the trigger on new builds soon, and who knows maybe we will even see some Pratt powered conversions. I mean I never saw in my crystal ball getting 2 (!) 762 conversions in 2019, so......
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