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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:40 pm

SANFan wrote:
cpl22586 wrote:
In SAN Jetblue will be using Terminal 1 - West Gate 14 with 13 and 15 as backups

You got it -- the West Rotunda in T1 is their new home, along with most other smaller and LCC/ULCC cx which currently serve SDIA. They are expected to remain there until the replacement T1 is built in a few years (hopefully!)

I have a question for anyone in the know about Blue's SAN ops. I checked yesterday in the booking engine at JetBlue.com and the 3rd BOS flight which begins on July 1, is now showing as a MINT A321. I'm sure I had heard that the temporary 3rd flight being added for the peak summer season would NOT be Mint, but only a 320. Can anyone confirm that the booking engine is correct and that all 3 BOS flights plus the daily-double JFK service will be Mint 321s? Nice if true. (Our FLL flight is still a non-Mint 320.)

bb


Weird setup they have. Seems like July/August are all on mint. Sep/Oct have 1 of 3 flights that is A320. Not sure why they do this, maybe after the summer rush, they need to do some regular maintenance.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:54 am

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TheLunchbox wrote:
trueblew wrote:

It's unfortunate and a little bit scary. MSG was one of the few "adults in the room" in leadership, and JG is likely going to be the downfall of B6.


Neither of you know the real reason. Maybe he left for Moxy :stirthepot:


A little birdy from the upper management stated this is 100% JG. Her ego won’t allow someone better suited for her job to remain at blue


Same thing happened with her and Jeff Martin for COO role
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:51 am

Interesting piece on Marty’s twitter feed. Chief Revenue Officer at SWA says “it’s been an honor competing with you, hope it’s not over.” Marty replied “I have zero interest in ever competing with you again.”
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:07 pm

notes from the recent schedule extension on some BOS markets. Just following how they adjust to each market YoY and whether or not the announced frequencies changes are kept around from last year. Just commenting on markets that changed. Looking at frequency changes and upgauging/down gauging. Generally speaking, most A320 markets will see some capacity increase from A320 reconfigs.
B6 BOS-BUF JAN 1.0>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[3]
this one I thought they were at more flights than this, but I ran the T-100 numbers from this year and it's the same number of flights. Looks like they only do 3 flights in Jan/Feb, grow to 5 flights during peak months and then have 4 in off peak days in fall months. Looks like they have not shrunk here based on the declining yields from overcapacity.

B6 BOS-CHS JAN 0.5>1.2[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.5]
Looks like slight reduction in capacity for February although higher in Jan. It's been fully upgauged to A320 vs a mix of A320/E90 in 2019.

B6 BOS-CLE JAN 0.8>4[3] FEB 0>1.6[2]
Definite increase here after UA withdrawing. All E90s like last year.

B6 BOS-CLT JAN 0.5>3[1.9] FEB 0>1.2[2.0]
Definite increase here to 3 a day. All E90s like last year.

B6 BOS-DCA JAN 3>13[9] FEB 0>5[8]
Again, 14x a day here as announced. They are probably going to have around the same number of flights as AA, although AA runs a mix of A319 + E90 instead of all E90s here.

B6 BOS-DFW JAN 0.4>1.6[1.7] FEB 0>0.7[1.4]
A little more capacity here. I see them as close to 2x daily for Feb (only 1x in sat/su) and all on A320s (vs a mix of A320 + E90s last year)

B6 BOS-DTW JAN 0.8>4[3] FEB 0>1.5[3]
Another confirmed increase in flights. It's 4x daily except for Sat (2x). Again, all E90s

B6 BOS-EWR JAN 1.7>7[5] FEB 0>3[4]
Another confirmed increase to 7x daily (5x on Sat). All E90s like last year

B6 BOS-FLL JAN 1.6>6[5] FEB 0>2[6]
Feb is actually down a flight whereas Jan is up. Still all on A320s so the capacity increase here is minimal. Not sure why they can't add more here.

B6 BOS-JAX JAN 0.6>2[3] FEB 0>0.8[3]
So this is one case where they completely upgauged from E90s to A320s and cut a flight. Capacity should be about the same. Looks to be one way to combat declining yield from DL capacity adds in leisure markets where frequency is not as important.

B6 BOS-LAS JAN 1.0>4[3] FEB 0>1.7[3]
Definite increase here to 4x daily with 2 on mint

B6 BOS-LGB JAN 0.3>1.0[1.8] FEB 0>0.4[1.7]
LA area as a whole is seeing less capacity here. Continuing the cut from last year

B6 BOS-MCO JAN 2.0>6[6] FEB 0>3[7]
About the same number of flights. Might be seeing slightly more A321s.

B6 BOS-MSY JAN 0.5>1.6[1.2] FEB 0>0.6[1.5]
not only seeing more flights in Jan, but also upgauging to all A320s (except Sat). Last year saw more than half on E90s.

B6 BOS-ORD JAN 0.9>4[4] FEB 0>1.9[4]
Definite increase on peak days from 5 to 6 flights. Interesting enough off peak days are 4x. All E90s

B6 BOS-PBI JAN 1.5>5[6] FEB 0>2[7]
Seems like an actual reduction in flights on average day to 5x. Here is where we are seeing some upgauging from mostly A320s with rare E90s to 3x A320s and 2 A321s by Feb. Still think there is slight reduction in capacity here.

B6 BOS-PHL JAN 1.9>7[6] FEB 0>3[5]
Again, confirmed increase to 8x daily with all E90s

B6 BOS-PIT JAN 1.1>5[5] FEB 0>1.9[5]
I thought this was cut from last year, but they did seem to run 5x in this schedule update last year also. Still one of the route with overcapacity so tworth watching.

B6 BOS-RDU JAN 1.1>5[5] FEB 0>1.9[5]
This is one route where their frequency addition in summer/fall didn't seem to carry through to winter month.

B6 BOS-RIC JAN 1.1>4[3] FEB 0>1.3[3]
seems like a slight increase in capacity to more days with 4x daily in winter month.

B6 BOS-RSW JAN 1.4>5[5] FEB 0>2[7]
February seems to show lower number of flights, but they normally do add more flights for spring training, which begins in the second half. No upgauging it seems like vs last year.

B6 BOS-SAN JAN 0.5>2[1.9] FEB 0>1.0[1.9]
Seems like a permanent change to 3x daily with one flight on A320

B6 BOS-SJU JAN 0.4>1.5[1.1] FEB 0>0.6[1.0]
Seems like an increase here to 2x daily on peak days.

B6 BOS-SRQ JAN 0.3>1.0[1.7] FEB 0>0.4[1.5]
Seems like real cut here. Losing a E90 service on some days

B6 BOS-TPA JAN 1.1>4[5] FEB 0>1.7[5]
Another cut here where they are seeing 4x everyday rather than 5x on peak days.

So overall, looks like a good number of changes are kept around. There is some cuts and upgauging to leisure markets. Shifting most of the E90s from leisure markets to business markets. Not the greatest schedule update if you are looking for more growth.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:44 am

SurfandSnow wrote:
Is LGB-BZN coming back?

It's not showing up past 1/7 on JetBlue.com. Nothing in February either.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:23 pm

The May traffic report is out.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005161/en/
Actually a bit of good news, the RASM is raised to 2 to 4% vs 1 to 4% previously. Also, OTP was at 77.6%, which is the highest they've had all year.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:59 pm

tphuang wrote:
notes from the recent schedule extension on some BOS markets. Just following how they adjust to each market YoY and whether or not the announced frequencies changes are kept around from last year. Just commenting on markets that changed. Looking at frequency changes and upgauging/down gauging. Generally speaking, most A320 markets will see some capacity increase from A320 reconfigs.

B6 BOS-FLL JAN 1.6>6[5] FEB 0>2[6]
Feb is actually down a flight whereas Jan is up. Still all on A320s so the capacity increase here is minimal. Not sure why they can't add more here.

B6 BOS-JAX JAN 0.6>2[3] FEB 0>0.8[3]
So this is one case where they completely upgauged from E90s to A320s and cut a flight. Capacity should be about the same. Looks to be one way to combat declining yield from DL capacity adds in leisure markets where frequency is not as important.

B6 BOS-LAS JAN 1.0>4[3] FEB 0>1.7[3]
Definite increase here to 4x daily with 2 on mint

B6 BOS-LGB JAN 0.3>1.0[1.8] FEB 0>0.4[1.7]
LA area as a whole is seeing less capacity here. Continuing the cut from last year

B6 BOS-RDU JAN 1.1>5[5] FEB 0>1.9[5]
This is one route where their frequency addition in summer/fall didn't seem to carry through to winter month.

B6 BOS-SAN JAN 0.5>2[1.9] FEB 0>1.0[1.9]
Seems like a permanent change to 3x daily with one flight on A320

B6 BOS-TPA JAN 1.1>4[5] FEB 0>1.7[5]
Another cut here where they are seeing 4x everyday rather than 5x on peak days.

So overall, looks like a good number of changes are kept around. There is some cuts and upgauging to leisure markets. Shifting most of the E90s from leisure markets to business markets. Not the greatest schedule update if you are looking for more growth.


Thanks! Some thoughts:

BOS-FLL: I agree they can add capacity there, although I think they feel pretty comfortable with their position given that this is a hub-to-hub market. I'm pretty sure this is one of their most profitable markets.

Agreed with your assessment on BOS-JAX. The A320's allow for much lower CASM, which can help them compete with DL.

It will be interesting to see how BOS-LAS fares with 4x during the low season. That's a lot of capacity.

BOS-LGB going down to 1x year-round is smart. Frankly, I think they should look at adding a fifth frequency on BOS-LAX (and sixth on BOS-SFO) to pull further way from the competition. Yields seem to have stabled, if not increased, especially on BOS-SFO.

Disappointing to see the additional BOS-RDU flights haven't carried through to the winter. Although, I suspect this could change very quickly.

The additional capacity on BOS-SAN - especially during the slow season - is really interesting. Perhaps a preemptive move to keep DL off?

B6 really appears to be struggling to TPA. WN may have an opening in this market, given their strong TPA point-of-sale (although I suspect the majority of this traffic is BOS-based).

tphuang wrote:
The May traffic report is out.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005161/en/
Actually a bit of good news, the RASM is raised to 2 to 4% vs 1 to 4% previously. Also, OTP was at 77.6%, which is the highest they've had all year.


This is even more impressive given that very high completion factor (99.7% versus 99% last May), which will put pressure on CASM growth. I think there is room for B6 to have a stronger Q2 than initially expected.

OTP looks to be improving not just throughout the year, but also compared to last year (73.8% OTP last May). Lower overtime expense and customer comp expense will further help CASM. This is also pretty impressive given that JFK is down one runway.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:29 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Strong rumors in late fall on another round of cuts.

The cut list was missing a few that were originally thought to be gone. Notably, ABQ and RNO.

They either changed their minds or there is more to come.

Cuba is also a money pit for them. Id look for changes (downguages) there if money becomes tight

Also, look for a LR decision with a heavy focus on JFK BOS London. Really seems to be an emphasis on that if it happens. That is a big if.

Connect the dots and more frequency seem to be the way for them to grow in 2019.

Also, still have strong UA takeover rumors swirling around. Strong.


Good thing those strong 100% un-provable rumors that wont seem to die are so Strong.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:27 pm

Yup JetBlue just got a stock upgrade as well, so maybe things are coming together.
 
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:52 am

Winter is coming...OCT?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:22 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Winter is coming...OCT?


With the exception of the farthest northwest point on the route map, I don't necessarily see these as bad changes as long as ASMs remain the same or increase.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:13 pm

Sounds like there will be more cuts for B6 coming. My view is the one from last year didn't go deep enough. Seems like trimming weak performing station is the only way they can do more necessary adds given the need for margin improvement + lack of A321 deliveries this year.

So I would hope they cut the following if they do cut.
all the Cuban stuff outside of maybe 2x daily on FLL-HAV.
ABQ - obvious cut here given the below average performance and utilization to JFK slot
RNO - another obvious cut here that managed to survive first time around
PSP - I know they extended the season this year, but I don't think the performance was great.
PWM - not sure the rationale for keeping it around. They need those 3 slots for peak summer season.
BTV - either cut completely or reduce by 1 flight and add BOS-BTV. Either seem to be needed.
PSE - both JFK/MCO are underperforming routes
FLL-BQN - really underperfomring route that should probalby be cut and just concentrate on FLL-SJU

They can repurpose those freed up JFK slots for GEO/SAL/MSP/BNA. E90s freed up from Cuba and short JFK flights can get used out of Boston. Add more Boston to middle of the country markets. Any of IND/CMH/CVG/MEM/SDF would be good.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:49 pm

tphuang wrote:
Sounds like there will be more cuts for B6 coming. My view is the one from last year didn't go deep enough. Seems like trimming weak performing station is the only way they can do more necessary adds given the need for margin improvement + lack of A321 deliveries this year.

So I would hope they cut the following if they do cut.
all the Cuban stuff outside of maybe 2x daily on FLL-HAV.
ABQ - obvious cut here given the below average performance and utilization to JFK slot
RNO - another obvious cut here that managed to survive first time around
PSP - I know they extended the season this year, but I don't think the performance was great.
PWM - not sure the rationale for keeping it around. They need those 3 slots for peak summer season.
BTV - either cut completely or reduce by 1 flight and add BOS-BTV. Either seem to be needed.
PSE - both JFK/MCO are underperforming routes
FLL-BQN - really underperfomring route that should probalby be cut and just concentrate on FLL-SJU

They can repurpose those freed up JFK slots for GEO/SAL/MSP/BNA. E90s freed up from Cuba and short JFK flights can get used out of Boston. Add more Boston to middle of the country markets. Any of IND/CMH/CVG/MEM/SDF would be good.


Makes interesting reading and i would support a number of those, however i will say from a deleted post from yesterday, that if true (and I am not going to recount it because i suspect it was confidential and reported to the mods) but virtually none of the above was on the table in this round based on what i read. It was slanted more to freeing up resources for BOS.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:50 pm

It would be a shame if they cut PSE, they have invested heavily in the station. Add to that, the community supports them. I can see JFK being cut but I think they will keep MCO



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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:57 pm

Lots of cuts coming

None of the above was cut

2 pretty bad cuts though
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:01 pm

well, that's just what I think they should cut, but they have a lot of considerations that I have no access to. They are committed to PR clearly, so what I put are just guesses.

VS4ever wrote:
Makes interesting reading and i would support a number of those, however i will say from a deleted post from yesterday, that if true (and I am not going to recount it because i suspect it was confidential and reported to the mods) but virtually none of the above was on the table in this round based on what i read. It was slanted more to freeing up resources for BOS.

I didn't see the first thread that came up. I think they need to clearly free up resources for BOS given that the aircraft deliveries are delayed this year. I do hope they do more than just add frequencies in existing market and actually do add some new ones to complete their domestic network. I guess we will see!
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:01 pm

A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market

Relevant in JFK Leisure market and not much else. But no more slots

Relevant in FLL VFR market but gate/terminal constrained

Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Really not in a good position if you are a stock holder.

There will be intense pressure for a merger/acquisition/buy out going forward.

This company clearly has no forward plan other than narrowbodies to Europe...and history shows that is an iffy plan
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:22 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market

Relevant in JFK Leisure market and not much else. But no more slots

Relevant in FLL VFR market but gate/terminal constrained

Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Really not in a good position if you are a stock holder.

There will be intense pressure for a merger/acquisition/buy out going forward.

This company clearly has no forward plan other than narrowbodies to Europe...and history shows that is an iffy plan


B6 is stuck. USAir east dilemma and I'm guessing Joanna will be our version of Doug Parker.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:27 pm

So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:31 pm

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So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.

It was an internal memo to all employees and it is all true. Why they think that 20,000 people will keep something like that under wraps for more than a few hours is beyond me.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:33 pm

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So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.


Do you remember what it said?
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:40 pm

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Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Safe to assume that LGB is gone?
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:41 pm

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jfklganyc wrote:
Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Safe to assume that LGB is gone?


Actually if I remember correctly, the answer to that question is no.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:45 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.


Do you remember what it said?


For the most part, YES
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:47 pm

VS4ever wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Safe to assume that LGB is gone?


Actually if I remember correctly, the answer to that question is no.


IIRC.....ditto
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:00 pm

727LOVER wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.


Do you remember what it said?


For the most part, YES


ha. ha.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:14 pm

flyby519 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market

Relevant in JFK Leisure market and not much else. But no more slots

Relevant in FLL VFR market but gate/terminal constrained

Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Really not in a good position if you are a stock holder.

There will be intense pressure for a merger/acquisition/buy out going forward.

This company clearly has no forward plan other than narrowbodies to Europe...and history shows that is an iffy plan


B6 is stuck. USAir east dilemma and I'm guessing Joanna will be our version of Doug Parker.

Given the timing here, I would guess this is at least partly the reason MSG is leaving. JetBlue in the past have been very slow and cautious with network changes. And maybe that's why last year's changes weren't more drastic. I do wonder if this will indicate that we will see more radical changes going forward. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Sometimes you have to make painful cuts in other part of the network to fund additions in places you are building up. I do continue to puzzle over their love of Cuba.

The next few years will be very busy with building up BOS/FLL, transitioning to A220 from E90 and flying to Europe. There really isn't a lot of bandwidth for anything else. And once they are done with that, who knows what the landscape will look like? We might be in the middle of another huge recession.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:15 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:

Do you remember what it said?


For the most part, YES


ha. ha.


Well, if I post it...I'm not an employee of B6...I'm just posting what I read on here. So I don't know if that still gets me in trouble with the mods. LOL
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:23 pm

any word on BTV? B6's presence there seems tenuous at best.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:37 pm

727LOVER wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
727LOVER wrote:

For the most part, YES


ha. ha.


Well, if I post it...I'm not an employee of B6...I'm just posting what I read on here. So I don't know if that still gets me in trouble with the mods. LOL


Well, at least right it down somewhere before you forget it and then figure out if you can post it later.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:38 pm

BTV and Upstate NY cities are served for political reasons along with SWF and ORH

Stop fixating on them...they aren’t going anywhere
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:39 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
BTV and Upstate NY cities are served for political reasons along with SWF and ORH

Stop fixating on them...they aren’t going anywhere


how exactly is BTV served for political reasons? genuinely curious since I've never heard this before.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:43 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:

ha. ha.


Well, if I post it...I'm not an employee of B6...I'm just posting what I read on here. So I don't know if that still gets me in trouble with the mods. LOL


Well, at least right it down somewhere before you forget it and then figure out if you can post it later.


Yeah.. someone posted the full release here and someone made two threads earlier. Assuming it's the mods that deleted it.

I still remember it exactly, although one thing about it was kinda vague. I've saved a doc about the cuts. We'll see when it's released.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:44 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market



Are you saying BOS is a medium-sized market? In domestic O&D it's in the Top 10 and bigger than SEA, EWR or DFW (if a bit behind LAS/DEN/ATL). It's also a good market for range-limited narrowbodies to Europe. DL and AA are a good bit behind at BOS (unlike in NYC where B6 is well behind UA and DL but ahead of AA for #3).
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:49 pm

unusualattitude wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
So what was posted on here yesterday is not true? Because that sure as hell looked like a press release. It was in the language of a press release.

It was an internal memo to all employees and it is all true. Why they think that 20,000 people will keep something like that under wraps for more than a few hours is beyond me.


Yep its laughable to think it would remain secret. I can only assume these get released internally as either a) bait to spring a trap on some people or b) they want it released.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:58 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Totally irrelevant out west as these round of cuts show.


Safe to assume that LGB is gone?


LGB is still safe
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:02 pm

Fex180 wrote:
any word on BTV? B6's presence there seems tenuous at best.


BTV isn't going anywhere
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:04 pm

Curious if PVD will be affected at all.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:11 pm

PVD757 wrote:
Curious if PVD will be affected at all.


The more BOS fills up, the more Florida service they can shift down. I'm assuming the PBI is doing well as they are keeping it at a daily A320 right into the off-season.

Maybe they will benefit with getting the much needed 2nd FLL.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:17 pm

Fex180 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
BTV and Upstate NY cities are served for political reasons along with SWF and ORH

Stop fixating on them...they aren’t going anywhere


how exactly is BTV served for political reasons? genuinely curious since I've never heard this before.


I am curious also. I have heard it before but never seen it explained. The only political angle that I can think of is that BTV can serve the Plattsburgh area.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:36 pm

Worcester is a political play. B6 is only there as a quid-pro-quo to curry favor with Massport at Logan.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:20 pm

727LOVER wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:

Safe to assume that LGB is gone?


Actually if I remember correctly, the answer to that question is no.


IIRC.....ditto


Shockingly enough, there did not seem to be any major cuts at LGB. I can't imagine WN adding LGB-SJC and then DL adding LGB-LAS is helping B6's situation there, though. I believe the competitive response to DL was cutting the new seasonal routes (LGB-BZN/HDN) so as to offer greater frequency on the LGB-SLC route. LGB probably isn't going anywhere until B6 has aircraft that can operate SNA-BOS/JFK with viable payloads. Only then will the transcon services from LGB likely be cut; and given B6's incredibly poor track record of p2p operations (as these network changes will further show), I highly doubt any other LGB services will survive once LGB-BOS/JFK are gone.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:09 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Actually if I remember correctly, the answer to that question is no.


IIRC.....ditto


Shockingly enough, there did not seem to be any major cuts at LGB. I can't imagine WN adding LGB-SJC and then DL adding LGB-LAS is helping B6's situation there, though. I believe the competitive response to DL was cutting the new seasonal routes (LGB-BZN/HDN) so as to offer greater frequency on the LGB-SLC route. LGB probably isn't going anywhere until B6 has aircraft that can operate SNA-BOS/JFK with viable payloads. Only then will the transcon services from LGB likely be cut; and given B6's incredibly poor track record of p2p operations (as these network changes will further show), I highly doubt any other LGB services will survive once LGB-BOS/JFK are gone.


I do want to comment on their west coast strategy a little bit, since this gets beaten to death. On LGB front, I think having WN lose 4 slots to DL is a tradeoff B6 will take anyday of the week, since DL is going to fly RJs on those 4 flights vs WN flying 738s. I would imagine LGB-LAS performance would improve and SJC drop a little. LGB-SJC is a route they struggle even without any competition. This might be one they drop and split the slots for LAS and PDX. Either way, last quarter showed that they can break even with this reduced schedule. So if they are willing to live with that, then they should keep their current schedule at LGB. They are apparently going to get more gates at LAX when MSC opens, but I don't think they can do any better at LAX vs LGB. The Big 4 + AS all lose huge amount of money on those intra-west coast routes out of LAX. And there is no end in sight for that madness. It's not a battle B6 should undertake given its limited resources. If it has more resources, it needs to put them in BOS/JFK/FLL.

So the question is what should their west coast strategy be? I'm sure this is a question the JetBlue leadership asks themselves all the time.

The most obvious scenario is to have a comprehensive code sharing partnership with AS like they do with HA. I think it would be a win/win for them. And it would help them attract more AS ff on their transcon flights + possibly win over more ff in west coast. I'm not sure why this has not happened yet.

After that, I would say they need to continue growing mint + non-premium trancon out of west coast. If they get more gate resources in LAX, they can add more mint flights from EWR/FLL/BOS or non-premium transcon like BDL/HPN/RSW. Again, a lot of this is dependent on what they do about LGB.

And they should develop better ways partnership with JetSuiteX. Currently, the mileage earning on JetSuiteX is really low. They should fix increase that and also work to setup mileage redemption on JetSuiteX flight. Given that JSX has been exploding at BUR & OAK. This could be an additional way for them to make their network more attractive to higher yielding clients, who would then be more inclined to fly JetBlue on transcon and midcon flights. And the amount of money they invested in JSX is peanuts compared to what would be required for them to build up an operation in OAK or LAX. And JetSuitex already got all the expansion fundings they need for QR! They just need to help JetSuiteX be more successful in their west coast expansion. And since JetBlue is mostly O&D driven airline, the lack of feed from JSX is not a problem.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market



Are you saying BOS is a medium-sized market? In domestic O&D it's in the Top 10 and bigger than SEA, EWR or DFW (if a bit behind LAS/DEN/ATL). It's also a good market for range-limited narrowbodies to Europe. DL and AA are a good bit behind at BOS (unlike in NYC where B6 is well behind UA and DL but ahead of AA for #3).



Boston absolutely is a medium sized city and a medium sized market.

The US has 3 world cities: NY LA and CHI. Chicago is already in a lower tier.

Beyond that, you are in a lower category.

Cities like ATL and DFW bat above their city size in air travel because their respective locations lend themselves to connections. BOS doesnt have that luxury.

As for EWR, it is the largest air market in the US...who are you kidding when you separate that from NYC?

This is not to diminish BOS...it is just the reality.

DL is dumping a lot of capacity in a medium sized market and they are sticking it to B6 as they have the resources to outlast them.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:59 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
A good round up of B6 currently:

Relevant in BOS but under attack by DL in a medium-sized market



Are you saying BOS is a medium-sized market? In domestic O&D it's in the Top 10 and bigger than SEA, EWR or DFW (if a bit behind LAS/DEN/ATL). It's also a good market for range-limited narrowbodies to Europe. DL and AA are a good bit behind at BOS (unlike in NYC where B6 is well behind UA and DL but ahead of AA for #3).



Boston absolutely is a medium sized city and a medium sized market.

The US has 3 world cities: NY LA and CHI. Chicago is already in a lower tier.

Beyond that, you are in a lower category.

Cities like ATL and DFW bat above their city size in air travel because their respective locations lend themselves to connections. BOS doesnt have that luxury.

As for EWR, it is the largest air market in the US...who are you kidding when you separate that from NYC?

This is not to diminish BOS...it is just the reality.

DL is dumping a lot of capacity in a medium sized market and they are sticking it to B6 as they have the resources to outlast them.

Hmm, sounds familiar. Where I have I heard that before? Oh yeah, SEA, and AS folding up shop after DL makes SEA a hub.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:06 pm

Does anyone have insight on how the JFK-HYA service does as well as MYV and ACK? Loads have been around 50% for the June month historically from HYA. Hope they don't cut it...
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:55 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Lots of cuts coming

None of the above was cut

2 pretty bad cuts though



Can you divulge any of this?
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:03 pm

nine4nine wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Lots of cuts coming

None of the above was cut

2 pretty bad cuts though



Can you divulge any of this?


Yeah, this thread is a little strange. Is there intended to be a public press release for these allegedly large cuts or are these cuts just going be quietly loaded into their schedule without any notice?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:07 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Lots of cuts coming

None of the above was cut

2 pretty bad cuts though



Can you divulge any of this?


Yeah, this thread is a little strange. Is there intended to be a public press release for these allegedly large cuts or are these cuts just going be quietly loaded into their schedule without any notice?


I think it looks odd because someone posted what appeared to be an internal document showing some specific cuts, which was removed as it was not ready for release. I suspect they will have to announce it because of a couple of specific cuts, they just aren’t ready to officially yet, but their employees are aware.
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