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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:41 pm

looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:22 pm

tphuang wrote:
looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.


Anything better than the "penalty corner" they use now :D
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:30 pm

They need to come to SAN ANTONIO !!!!!
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:08 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.


Anything better than the "penalty corner" they use now :D



Oh it’s yet another corner. The corner wasn’t the issue it was all the wide body’s that would push. So hopefully the make up of airplanes will be better.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:57 pm

tphuang wrote:
looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.


They maxed out their 1 gate at 11 turns i believe, Irrops they go and steal a gate from NK if needed (hand counting pax on board is a fun experience to see in this day and age), I hope moving to T2 allows them a little more flexibility with this. I don't think they have intentions of growing into 2 gates, but it would definitely help them a bit to split operations.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:55 pm

VS4ever wrote:
tphuang wrote:
looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.


They maxed out their 1 gate at 11 turns i believe, Irrops they go and steal a gate from NK if needed (hand counting pax on board is a fun experience to see in this day and age), I hope moving to T2 allows them a little more flexibility with this. I don't think they have intentions of growing into 2 gates, but it would definitely help them a bit to split operations.


I think if they just have one dedicated gate + a couple of CUTE gates they can use, it should be enough. Right now, things do get a little tight with just 1 gate.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:59 pm

tphuang wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
tphuang wrote:
looks like JetBlue is moving to T2 at ORD
https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... al-airport
anyone knows if this will give them more a little more gate access? At least yesterday looks like all their departures are out of 1 gate.


They maxed out their 1 gate at 11 turns i believe, Irrops they go and steal a gate from NK if needed (hand counting pax on board is a fun experience to see in this day and age), I hope moving to T2 allows them a little more flexibility with this. I don't think they have intentions of growing into 2 gates, but it would definitely help them a bit to split operations.


I think if they just have one dedicated gate + a couple of CUTE gates they can use, it should be enough. Right now, things do get a little tight with just 1 gate.


That was the issue before, there weren't any CUTE gates for them to use, if T2 has some, then yes they should be fine, if not, all that has happened is a move of the same issues to a different concourse.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:25 pm

VS4ever wrote:
tphuang wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

They maxed out their 1 gate at 11 turns i believe, Irrops they go and steal a gate from NK if needed (hand counting pax on board is a fun experience to see in this day and age), I hope moving to T2 allows them a little more flexibility with this. I don't think they have intentions of growing into 2 gates, but it would definitely help them a bit to split operations.


I think if they just have one dedicated gate + a couple of CUTE gates they can use, it should be enough. Right now, things do get a little tight with just 1 gate.


That was the issue before, there weren't any CUTE gates for them to use, if T2 has some, then yes they should be fine, if not, all that has happened is a move of the same issues to a different concourse.

I’m not 100% certain but I believe this is merely a move. I don’t think they will have any more access than they did at L. This was done by the airport not B6. They moved AS over to G back in January I believe. This has been in the works for months.
I was “told” that the city did offer B6 another gate but B6 wouldn’t increase their flights enough to the city’s liking for the second gate.
I’ll try to find out some more information tomorrow.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:08 am

So they're in an alleyway of all RJs and ERJs. Also I think G2 was originally split into G2A and G2B. If so the airport might have deleted a gate to move B6 there. Doesn't make sense to me. Why delete an RJ/ERJ gate to make room for a bigger plane.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:50 am

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-a321neo-debut/
The first A321NEO is planned for September entrance from JFK to FLL.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:33 am

Not network as so much as fleeting, but B6's oldest plane, which is fully owned, N503JB, has almost 75,000 hours on it (at the last heavy check, it was just shy of 74,000 hours); their next oldest frame, N504JB, is right behind that, around 74,000 hours. Does B6 have any plans to retire and scrap its oldest frames, as I doubt they have any resale value other than parts? By the time the next heavy maintenance is due, these frames will be north of 90,000 hours and 30,000 cycles, and possibly close to 100,000 hours.

Also, based on this, unless Airbus develops an extension of life for the BCS3, based on B6's usage would be about 20-25 years before timing out, depending on utilization. (However, the E190s aren't racking up hours as much as the A320 fleet.)
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:25 pm

I'm sort of surprised B6 hasn't ever tried something to SKB. The Caribbean seems like a big strength for them and you'd think they'd be able to make daily FLL-SKB work.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:19 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Not network as so much as fleeting, but B6's oldest plane, which is fully owned, N503JB, has almost 75,000 hours on it (at the last heavy check, it was just shy of 74,000 hours); their next oldest frame, N504JB, is right behind that, around 74,000 hours. Does B6 have any plans to retire and scrap its oldest frames, as I doubt they have any resale value other than parts? By the time the next heavy maintenance is due, these frames will be north of 90,000 hours and 30,000 cycles, and possibly close to 100,000 hours.

Also, based on this, unless Airbus develops an extension of life for the BCS3, based on B6's usage would be about 20-25 years before timing out, depending on utilization. (However, the E190s aren't racking up hours as much as the A320 fleet.)

All I can tell you is that a mechanic mentioned that there is now a timeline for retirements but had no further information.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:48 pm

From WN thread on their latest extension.
Update to WN cuts out of BOS starting in January 2020:
BOS-ATL, BOS-MCI, and BOS-MKE permanently discontinued after January 5th
BOS-HOU reduced to Sunday-only, starting on January 5th
BOS-AUS and BOS-DAL reduced to seasonal nonstop service after January 5th

also FLL-JAX is cut.

I've called that last one for several quarters now. Funny that after 2 quarters of 3 carriers, now that route is back to being a B6 monopoly. As for the BOS cuts, I think they be very happy about AUS/ATL/DAL, maybe not so much about MCI//MKE since WN was a real drag on DL performances there. Maybe time for B6 to jump in on a few more of these routes ex-BOS.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:58 pm

https://www.caribjournal.com/2019/08/19 ... p-flights/
looks like JFK-ANU is going to 5x weekly from 3x weekly
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:25 pm

I can't help but think WN's arrival at BOS wasn't such a positive thing for them. They hold no leverage with Massport and they can't turn their planes anywhere near as fast as they might like. Plus, I see all sorts of 'bargain' fares at BOS, signaling (to me, at least) that they are pressured from all sides. As a NH resident, I'd have been happy to see them grow at MHT. But, I'm not them and they probably thought all this out.

As for JetBlue (since it is their thread), this bodes well for them. The only real FF program I relish is theirs, mostly because they serve Charleston, SC...a place my wife and I are contemplating retiring to.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:54 pm

B6 will increase JFK-ANU to 5x weekly, up from 3x weekly.

https://www.caribjournal.com/2019/08/19 ... p-flights/
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:01 pm

Anyone have any ideas or rumors if B6 will be taking then WN gates in EWR?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:45 pm

Are you asking if B6 has a transaction to buy the gates, or if they have a pending request in to PANYNJ for expansion?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:54 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
I can't help but think WN's arrival at BOS wasn't such a positive thing for them. They hold no leverage with Massport and they can't turn their planes anywhere near as fast as they might like. Plus, I see all sorts of 'bargain' fares at BOS, signaling (to me, at least) that they are pressured from all sides. As a NH resident, I'd have been happy to see them grow at MHT. But, I'm not them and they probably thought all this out.


Reasons why WN is serving DAL, HOU, and AUS nonstop from BOS include:
(a) Texas is the home state for WN,
(b) Most of those traveling to BOS from Texas prefer to do so on WN, AA, or UA over B6, DL, or NK,
(c) B6 is weaker in Texas than in most of the other U.S. markets that are served by B6,
and
(d) WN is connecting some passengers to BOS from Texas destinations not served by B6 through DAL, HOU, and AUS.

WN is also connecting some passengers to BOS from cities not served by B6 such as BHM, CVG, MCI, IND, SDF, MEM, MKE, ORF, OKC, OMA, SAT, and TUS through BWI, MDW, DEN, BNA, and STL.

WN also carried more domestic passengers out of BOS in the June 2018 - May 2019 period than out of any other airport in the New England region.

Here is the number of domestic passengers that WN carried to/from airports in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions in June 2018 - May 2019:
BWI - 16,618,000
DCA - 3,469,000
LGA - 2,831,000
BOS - 2,784,000
PIT - 2,458,000
PHL - 2,174,000
PVD - 1,537,000
BDL - 1,506,000
EWR - 1,479,000
BUF - 1,468,000
ALB - 1,048,000
ISP - 973,000
MHT - 954,000
ORF - 615,000
IAD - 526,000
ROC - 420,000
PWM - 303,000
RIC - 242,000

There is clearly enough demand for WN service to BOS since
(a) ORH, MHT, and PVD are all more than 50 miles from Downtown Boston,
(b) Many of those traveling to BOS from outside of the Northeast prefer to do so on WN, AA, DL, UA, or other airlines over B6,
and
(c) BWI, DCA, and LGA are the only airports in the Northeast or Mid-Atlantic that have more demand for WN service than BOS does.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:23 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
B6 will increase JFK-ANU to 5x weekly, up from 3x weekly.

https://www.caribjournal.com/2019/08/19 ... p-flights/


Can't believe they are not running a BOS-ANU weekend flight. They must love that sub 65% LF on BOS-HAV.
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2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:33 am

this is not good for B6
B6 has had some unexpected cost pressures, like delays to A320 NEO deliveries, as well as capacity reductions. To help meet financial targets as a company, B6 have reviewed several events that contribute to our expenses we will be postponing B6 events.
There will be official announcement soon
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:38 pm

jplatts wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
I can't help but think WN's arrival at BOS wasn't such a positive thing for them. They hold no leverage with Massport and they can't turn their planes anywhere near as fast as they might like. Plus, I see all sorts of 'bargain' fares at BOS, signaling (to me, at least) that they are pressured from all sides. As a NH resident, I'd have been happy to see them grow at MHT. But, I'm not them and they probably thought all this out.


Reasons why WN is serving DAL, HOU, and AUS nonstop from BOS include:
(a) Texas is the home state for WN,
(b) Most of those traveling to BOS from Texas prefer to do so on WN, AA, or UA over B6, DL, or NK,
(c) B6 is weaker in Texas than in most of the other U.S. markets that are served by B6,
and
(d) WN is connecting some passengers to BOS from Texas destinations not served by B6 through DAL, HOU, and AUS.

WN is also connecting some passengers to BOS from cities not served by B6 such as BHM, CVG, MCI, IND, SDF, MEM, MKE, ORF, OKC, OMA, SAT, and TUS through BWI, MDW, DEN, BNA, and STL.

WN also carried more domestic passengers out of BOS in the June 2018 - May 2019 period than out of any other airport in the New England region.

Here is the number of domestic passengers that WN carried to/from airports in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions in June 2018 - May 2019:
BWI - 16,618,000
DCA - 3,469,000
LGA - 2,831,000
BOS - 2,784,000
PIT - 2,458,000
PHL - 2,174,000
PVD - 1,537,000
BDL - 1,506,000
EWR - 1,479,000
BUF - 1,468,000
ALB - 1,048,000
ISP - 973,000
MHT - 954,000
ORF - 615,000
IAD - 526,000
ROC - 420,000
PWM - 303,000
RIC - 242,000

There is clearly enough demand for WN service to BOS since
(a) ORH, MHT, and PVD are all more than 50 miles from Downtown Boston,
(b) Many of those traveling to BOS from outside of the Northeast prefer to do so on WN, AA, DL, UA, or other airlines over B6,
and
(c) BWI, DCA, and LGA are the only airports in the Northeast or Mid-Atlantic that have more demand for WN service than BOS does.



I’m surprised SYR didn’t make that list
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:42 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I’m surprised SYR didn’t make that list


The numbers that I was listing was only for Northeast and Mid-Atlantic airports that are already served by WN. SYR wasn't listed as WN doesn't currently serve SYR.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:36 pm

jplatts wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I’m surprised SYR didn’t make that list


The numbers that I was listing was only for Northeast and Mid-Atlantic airports that are already served by WN. SYR wasn't listed as WN doesn't currently serve SYR.


That’s the joke.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:37 am

tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Things to observe here is that BOS-PSP looks pretty bad. And same with BOS-BUR. I'm not surprised if PSP doesn't come back. It seems to even effect JFK-PSP LF.


Bad luck perhaps? When I was at the inaugural BOS-PSP flight back in February, the plane was not packed but not completely empty either. However, I think the issue was the horrific weather in Palm Springs. We landed just after the area was soaked by a severe rain storm. Several roads were washed away and access to PS was severely restricted. Several popular local attraction were closed for an indefinite amount of time.

So, who would want to go to a chilly, washed-away destination if you can bask in the sun in the Caribbean?

seems like this kind of route does need a lot of good promotion and some luck to do well. If everyone got rained on in their first trip there, they might not want to go back.


I thought BOS-PSP would be gone permanently, but it seems it returned twice weekly in April.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:26 pm

OAG from this week
B6 BOS-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 BOS-SAN DEC 1.9>2[1.8]
B6 CHS-FLL NOV 0.9>1.7[1.1]
B6 FLL-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 FLL-JAX NOV 3>4[3]
B6 FLL-MSY NOV 1.0>1.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-PUJ SEP 1.1>0.7[1.0]

so more PUJ cut, HDN ends sooner. And November adding 1 flight for CHS, JAX and MSY out of FLL. I'm not sure why they only did it for November. I don't see it in December, Jan/Feb. Kind of weird.

also seems like there has been some glowing reviews recently on the A320 phase 2 mods.

Dieuwer wrote:
I thought BOS-PSP would be gone permanently, but it seems it returned twice weekly in April.

I was surprised too. I guess it takes a lot for B6 to drop a BOS route.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:20 pm

tphuang wrote:
OAG from this week
B6 BOS-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 BOS-SAN DEC 1.9>2[1.8]
B6 CHS-FLL NOV 0.9>1.7[1.1]
B6 FLL-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 FLL-JAX NOV 3>4[3]
B6 FLL-MSY NOV 1.0>1.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-PUJ SEP 1.1>0.7[1.0]


I wonder if B6 should consider going 3x per day on BOS-SAN. Just looking at fares, they are Minting gold.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:49 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
OAG from this week
B6 BOS-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 BOS-SAN DEC 1.9>2[1.8]
B6 CHS-FLL NOV 0.9>1.7[1.1]
B6 FLL-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 FLL-JAX NOV 3>4[3]
B6 FLL-MSY NOV 1.0>1.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-PUJ SEP 1.1>0.7[1.0]


I wonder if B6 should consider going 3x per day on BOS-SAN. Just looking at fares, they are Minting gold.

they are 3x daily for several months already. Not sure how they pick and choose which month gets the third flight. It's certainly one of their most profitable mint routes.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:00 pm

jplatts wrote:
There is clearly enough demand for WN service to BOS since
(a) ORH, MHT, and PVD are all more than 50 miles from Downtown Boston,
(b) Many of those traveling to BOS from outside of the Northeast prefer to do so on WN, AA, DL, UA, or other airlines over B6,
and
(c) BWI, DCA, and LGA are the only airports in the Northeast or Mid-Atlantic that have more demand for WN service than BOS does.

ORH?

Also, the BOS numbers for WN are heavily inflated with reduced fare passengers. So the loads may look good, but almost any airport can look good with bargain basement fares.
I also think that B6 had WN for lunch at BOS. WN's best bet to manage capacity and only serve BOS via hubs and large WN stronghold stations. But MCI falls into that category and it didn't work either.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:13 pm

Blueknows wrote:
this is not good for B6
B6 has had some unexpected cost pressures, like delays to A320 NEO deliveries, as well as capacity reductions. To help meet financial targets as a company, B6 have reviewed several events that contribute to our expenses we will be postponing B6 events.
There will be official announcement soon


I love these secret squirrel games. :rotfl: :liar:
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:27 pm

flyby519 wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
this is not good for B6
B6 has had some unexpected cost pressures, like delays to A320 NEO deliveries, as well as capacity reductions. To help meet financial targets as a company, B6 have reviewed several events that contribute to our expenses we will be postponing B6 events.
There will be official announcement soon


I love these secret squirrel games. :rotfl: :liar:


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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:04 pm

tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
OAG from this week
B6 BOS-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 BOS-SAN DEC 1.9>2[1.8]
B6 CHS-FLL NOV 0.9>1.7[1.1]
B6 FLL-HDN APR 0.3>0[0]
B6 FLL-JAX NOV 3>4[3]
B6 FLL-MSY NOV 1.0>1.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-PUJ SEP 1.1>0.7[1.0]


I wonder if B6 should consider going 3x per day on BOS-SAN. Just looking at fares, they are Minting gold.

they are 3x daily for several months already. Not sure how they pick and choose which month gets the third flight. It's certainly one of their most profitable mint routes.

Yet they can't seem to find a Mint a/c to operate the 3rd flight, apparently throwing a 320 at it when it operates.

I'm also amazed that if the route is doing so well, why can't Blue add a morning departure from SAN; it's never seemed to occur to them that the peak business time for w/c departures on transcons is between 7 and 9. B6 seems uninterested in grabbing SAN-based business travelers at all but I'm sure that is ok with AS with their daily 8-ish am departure to Logan! (This same early morning w/c departure time issue also applies to SAN-JFK...)

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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:36 pm

flyby519 wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
this is not good for B6
B6 has had some unexpected cost pressures, like delays to A320 NEO deliveries, as well as capacity reductions. To help meet financial targets as a company, B6 have reviewed several events that contribute to our expenses we will be postponing B6 events.
There will be official announcement soon


I love these secret squirrel games. :rotfl: :liar:




LoL, so far he’s batting .000 on all his “secrets”

Just for starters JB hasn’t taken a 320 in years and never will again. NEO or otherwise.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:02 am

Any updates on when LON service is supposed to start?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:32 pm

LGB Spotters! JetBlue’s NEO is in town currently and is suppose to depart to JFK today at 8:40am as JBU6802. This would be a great chance to see 2 NEOs in LGB as HA’s HNL flight departs at 8:30am
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:39 pm

Does anyone have B6's ATL LFs? Their E-Jets are starting to become a common appearance over there, so it could mean that DL is fighting back, or the E190s are used as substitute aircraft while B6 is completing their A320 refurbish program.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:07 pm

HP69 wrote:
Any updates on when LON service is supposed to start?


February 29, 2021. :D
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:11 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
Does anyone have B6's ATL LFs? Their E-Jets are starting to become a common appearance over there, so it could mean that DL is fighting back, or the E190s are used as substitute aircraft while B6 is completing their A320 refurbish program.


Depends on the route, JFK-ATL is doing well. FLL-ATL is doing okay. BOS/MCO-ATL are huge red. The only ones with E90s should be BOS.

For BOS-ATL, neither the fares or the LFs were great, so they are moving more flights over to E90, which generally bumps up yield, since there are fewer cheap seats to be filled. Even if their margins don't get better, they will at least lose less money from the lower overall cost of E90 vs A320. Long term, these will get swapped out with A220. Short term, a mix of E90 and reconfigured A320 should do the job. Some routes like FLL-MSY really turned around when they swapped out A320 with E90. With WN exiting, this could at least end up becoming less of a bloodbath for them. We will see. I think A220 is what's needed to sustain this and BOS-MSP.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:43 pm

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Dieuwer wrote:
HP69 wrote:
Any updates on when LON service is supposed to start?


February 29, 2021. :D


Actually?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:51 pm

tphuang wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Does anyone have B6's ATL LFs? Their E-Jets are starting to become a common appearance over there, so it could mean that DL is fighting back, or the E190s are used as substitute aircraft while B6 is completing their A320 refurbish program.


Depends on the route, JFK-ATL is doing well. FLL-ATL is doing okay. BOS/MCO-ATL are huge red. The only ones with E90s should be BOS.

For BOS-ATL, neither the fares or the LFs were great, so they are moving more flights over to E90, which generally bumps up yield, since there are fewer cheap seats to be filled. Even if their margins don't get better, they will at least lose less money from the lower overall cost of E90 vs A320. Long term, these will get swapped out with A220. Short term, a mix of E90 and reconfigured A320 should do the job. Some routes like FLL-MSY really turned around when they swapped out A320 with E90. With WN exiting, this could at least end up becoming less of a bloodbath for them. We will see. I think A220 is what's needed to sustain this and BOS-MSP.


I see your point. I just found out that B6 will temporarily use its A321s on one of its JFK-ATL flights from 9/4-11/26. Probably because of the increase in passenger demand. Also, I saw on the B6 website that their BOS-ATL schedule for 2020 is 3x E190 and 2X A320. I think it should have been 2-3X A321s because the E190 has high fuel costs, sometimes making DL a cheaper option for the route. You're right though, the A220 should fix the problem soon.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:08 pm

HP69 wrote:
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Dieuwer wrote:
HP69 wrote:
Any updates on when LON service is supposed to start?


February 29, 2021. :D


Actually?

I think he was being facetious.
No one knows. They still have to get ETOPS certified and get the planes on property, oh and that little thing of choosing an airport and getting slots.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:18 pm

BOS SFO 6th daily 2133/2334 to be operated by all Core 321 from the winter season. I did not see that coming!
333/134 Mint won't operate on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. Also 1 less Mint rotation on Saturdays.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:35 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
HP69 wrote:
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Dieuwer wrote:

February 29, 2021. :D


Actually?

I think he was being facetious.
No one knows. They still have to get ETOPS certified and get the planes on property, oh and that little thing of choosing an airport and getting slots.


He is definitely being facetious, since 2021 is not a leap year, therefore no Feb 29 in 2021 :lol:
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:37 pm

UkiAir wrote:
BOS SFO 6th daily 2133/2334 to be operated by all Core 321 from the winter season. I did not see that coming!
333/134 Mint won't operate on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. Also 1 less Mint rotation on Saturdays.

where are you seeing this? I don't see it on google flights
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:42 pm

tphuang wrote:
UkiAir wrote:
BOS SFO 6th daily 2133/2334 to be operated by all Core 321 from the winter season. I did not see that coming!
333/134 Mint won't operate on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. Also 1 less Mint rotation on Saturdays.

where are you seeing this? I don't see it on google flights


You can confirm the findings on the jetBlue website.

Its also on google flights. Just checked it there. 2133 departs BOS at 09:00
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:14 pm

UkiAir wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
HP69 wrote:
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Actually?

I think he was being facetious.
No one knows. They still have to get ETOPS certified and get the planes on property, oh and that little thing of choosing an airport and getting slots.


He is definitely being facetious, since 2021 is not a leap year, therefore no Feb 29 in 2021 :lol:


Indeed, :D
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:29 pm

I have no clue which days I should be looking at. I've checked days in Jan/Feb/Mar/April and still see the same 5 flights (all mint) on BOS-SFO. I give up.

Also, interesting that AA is adding LGA-BZN on Saturday. I think given that B6 already has a station there, they should try JFK/BOS-BZN on a seasonal basis. Seems like easy flight to fill in summer time and winter time. A lot of people would want to visit yellowstone in summer time and go there for skiing in winter.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:51 pm

tphuang wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Does anyone have B6's ATL LFs? Their E-Jets are starting to become a common appearance over there, so it could mean that DL is fighting back, or the E190s are used as substitute aircraft while B6 is completing their A320 refurbish program.


Depends on the route, JFK-ATL is doing well. FLL-ATL is doing okay. BOS/MCO-ATL are huge red. The only ones with E90s should be BOS.

For BOS-ATL, neither the fares or the LFs were great, so they are moving more flights over to E90, which generally bumps up yield, since there are fewer cheap seats to be filled. Even if their margins don't get better, they will at least lose less money from the lower overall cost of E90 vs A320. Long term, these will get swapped out with A220. Short term, a mix of E90 and reconfigured A320 should do the job. Some routes like FLL-MSY really turned around when they swapped out A320 with E90. With WN exiting, this could at least end up becoming less of a bloodbath for them. We will see. I think A220 is what's needed to sustain this and BOS-MSP.

Is ATL-MCO even worth serving for B6?
As we celebrate mediocrity, all the boys upstairs want to see, how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:45 pm

tphuang wrote:
I have no clue which days I should be looking at. I've checked days in Jan/Feb/Mar/April and still see the same 5 flights (all mint) on BOS-SFO. I give up.

Also, interesting that AA is adding LGA-BZN on Saturday. I think given that B6 already has a station there, they should try JFK/BOS-BZN on a seasonal basis. Seems like easy flight to fill in summer time and winter time. A lot of people would want to visit yellowstone in summer time and go there for skiing in winter.


I didn't go that far. The beginning of winter season starting on Oct 27. Picked random days during the first week of November.
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