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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:49 am

izbtmnhd wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
jplatts wrote:

I agree with your point, especially with WN already serving many domestic destinations in the Mountain West, Southwest, Midwest, and South that aren't served by B6. WN also already offers 1-stop connecting service to domestic destinations not served by B6 from the Midwestern cities served by WN.

When I was talking about B6 possibly establishing a hub or focus city in the Midwest, I was primarily talking about domestic connections to the Western U.S., the western half of the Midwest, and the Southern U.S. from East Coast cities that do not require backtracking (as opposed to connections to the Caribbean from the East Coast through a Midwestern hub).


I don’t think a Midwest hub will happen. Our best bet for a mid-continent hub on B6 is AUS (it has flights to all of the B6 hubs; no other mid continent airport can say that) and that’s a stretch. As for any airport becoming a B6 focus city, I think that DCA or PBI is our best bet.


With increasing non-stop transcontinental options for East Coast and Midwest cities, what would be the attraction of flying all the way down to AUS to connect to the West Coast? The only sensible flow would be north-south. AUS as a B6 LATAM hub? I don't see it.


I see it as an O&D focus city that can support connections like MSY to SEA, or ABQ to TPA. B6's focus city at LGB barely supports connections at all; your only options are to/from JFK, BOS, AUS, and PHX. Otherwise, you're backtracking.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:43 am

arfbool wrote:
Just noticed while searching for holiday flights that the JFK-BUR flights switch up to A321 around December 17th and seems to stay that way at least through January (as far as I looked.) No MINT option, but still very curious about what this means and also how the A321 will perform departing Burbank.



It’s looking like that will be operated with the new 321NEO and it doesn’t look like any seats will be blocked/held from selling for performance leaving BUR
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:55 am

FARmd90 wrote:
arfbool wrote:
Just noticed while searching for holiday flights that the JFK-BUR flights switch up to A321 around December 17th and seems to stay that way at least through January (as far as I looked.) No MINT option, but still very curious about what this means and also how the A321 will perform departing Burbank.



It’s looking like that will be operated with the new 321NEO and it doesn’t look like any seats will be blocked/held from selling for performance leaving BUR


Very exciting! Perhaps those rumors of HA serving BUR (with the A321neo) may not be so farfetched after all :-)
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:25 pm

Not sure if this was posted but here is an interview with the B6 COO, some news on London. Geraghty says in this interview that B6 might choose multiple UK airports including LHR. That part is towards the end of the video

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2 ... -u-k-video
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:21 pm

I think they are cautiously ‘optimistic’ that Norwegian ceases to exist well before they take Wing.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:57 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:

I don’t think a Midwest hub will happen. Our best bet for a mid-continent hub on B6 is AUS (it has flights to all of the B6 hubs; no other mid continent airport can say that) and that’s a stretch. As for any airport becoming a B6 focus city, I think that DCA or PBI is our best bet.


With increasing non-stop transcontinental options for East Coast and Midwest cities, what would be the attraction of flying all the way down to AUS to connect to the West Coast? The only sensible flow would be north-south. AUS as a B6 LATAM hub? I don't see it.


I see it as an O&D focus city that can support connections like MSY to SEA, or ABQ to TPA. B6's focus city at LGB barely supports connections at all; your only options are to/from JFK, BOS, AUS, and PHX. Otherwise, you're backtracking.


LA is much bigger than Austin.

There are some east-west flows which could work, just not enough to make an AUS B6 hub worth it, in my opinion.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:35 am

arfbool wrote:
Just noticed while searching for holiday flights that the JFK-BUR flights switch up to A321 around December 17th and seems to stay that way at least through January (as far as I looked.) No MINT option, but still very curious about what this means and also how the A321 will perform departing Burbank.


About time. Maybe the first stepping stone to Introducing MINT on this depending on how performance works out with the standard configuration 321. MINT would absolutely kill it on BUR-JFK.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:09 am

nine4nine wrote:
arfbool wrote:
Just noticed while searching for holiday flights that the JFK-BUR flights switch up to A321 around December 17th and seems to stay that way at least through January (as far as I looked.) No MINT option, but still very curious about what this means and also how the A321 will perform departing Burbank.


About time. Maybe the first stepping stone to Introducing MINT on this depending on how performance works out with the standard configuration 321. MINT would absolutely kill it on BUR-JFK.


Totally agree...I don't understand why they'd bother with a core A321. The MINT would print money being the only thing of its kind at that airport, assuming it's technically feasible.

I've been playing with the Jetblue website and I can determine from 12/15 - 1/8 we have a 1x daily A321neo. Starting on the 9th of January you have a 2x daily A321-not neo not mint. I conclude this from looking at the seat maps and the exit positions, which are different as far as I am aware.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:11 am

Just a reminder B6 has focus cities. B6 is east coast focused leisure airline. MINT is a premium product for long transcontinental/ high end South America/ Caribbean routes.
It is not ment to be first class. They do not intend it to be on short haul flights.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:53 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Just a reminder B6 has focus cities. B6 is east coast focused leisure airline. MINT is a premium product for long transcontinental/ high end South America/ Caribbean routes.
It is not ment to be first class. They do not intend it to be on short haul flights.


A.net is a better place thanks to reliable, factual and dependable sources like this guy.






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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:13 pm

arfbool wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
arfbool wrote:
Just noticed while searching for holiday flights that the JFK-BUR flights switch up to A321 around December 17th and seems to stay that way at least through January (as far as I looked.) No MINT option, but still very curious about what this means and also how the A321 will perform departing Burbank.


About time. Maybe the first stepping stone to Introducing MINT on this depending on how performance works out with the standard configuration 321. MINT would absolutely kill it on BUR-JFK.


Totally agree...I don't understand why they'd bother with a core A321. The MINT would print money being the only thing of its kind at that airport, assuming it's technically feasible.

I've been playing with the Jetblue website and I can determine from 12/15 - 1/8 we have a 1x daily A321neo. Starting on the 9th of January you have a 2x daily A321-not neo not mint. I conclude this from looking at the seat maps and the exit positions, which are different as far as I am aware.


Also keep in mind B6 is not taking any delivery’s of any Mint configured 321s for the foreseeable future. I wouldn’t be surprised if our next new mint plane is when the 321LR is delivered. All NEOs will be in a 200 seat core configuration.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:23 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:

With increasing non-stop transcontinental options for East Coast and Midwest cities, what would be the attraction of flying all the way down to AUS to connect to the West Coast? The only sensible flow would be north-south. AUS as a B6 LATAM hub? I don't see it.


I see it as an O&D focus city that can support connections like MSY to SEA, or ABQ to TPA. B6's focus city at LGB barely supports connections at all; your only options are to/from JFK, BOS, AUS, and PHX. Otherwise, you're backtracking.


LA is much bigger than Austin.



A low-volume AUS hub would get crushed - absolutely crushed - by AA at DFW and UA at IAH. You wouldn't be able to offer enough frequencies nor enough destinations to drive connectivity. AUS may build out as a focus city within the next ten years (by DL, not B6) but that's it.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:00 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:

I see it as an O&D focus city that can support connections like MSY to SEA, or ABQ to TPA. B6's focus city at LGB barely supports connections at all; your only options are to/from JFK, BOS, AUS, and PHX. Otherwise, you're backtracking.


LA is much bigger than Austin.



A low-volume AUS hub would get crushed - absolutely crushed - by AA at DFW and UA at IAH. You wouldn't be able to offer enough frequencies nor enough destinations to drive connectivity. AUS may build out as a focus city within the next ten years (by DL, not B6) but that's it.


B6 already allows a small number of connections from LGB to the east coast via AUS. I see B6 making routes from AUS to places such as SFO, LAS, SAN, and TPA. For B6, the definition of “hub” is quite different than other airlines. For a B6 hub, you’d only need five or so more destinations.
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:28 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Just a reminder B6 has focus cities. B6 is east coast focused leisure airline. MINT is a premium product for long transcontinental/ high end South America/ Caribbean routes.
It is not ment to be first class. They do not intend it to be on short haul flights.


That will change in a heartbeat if they can't make this strange hybrid model of their works.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:35 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Just a reminder B6 has focus cities. B6 is east coast focused leisure airline. MINT is a premium product for long transcontinental/ high end South America/ Caribbean routes.
It is not ment to be first class. They do not intend it to be on short haul flights.

What South American route do they fly MINT on?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:46 pm

The do mint on Jfk-lir Bos/jfk-sxm/UVf/AUA. These are all seasonal though
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:51 pm

Blueknows wrote:
The do mint on Jfk-lir Bos/jfk-sxm/UVf/AUA. These are all seasonal though

You do realize none of those are in South America right?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:31 pm

What slots are available for LHR, there tough to get. Maybe they will get Stansted, that airport is growing and offering cheep landing fees. On another time note, just spoke with one of Jetblue's mechanic and said they have quite away form going. Just to mention aircraft and proving runs.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:00 pm

I’m sorry Costa Rica is in LATIN AMERICA. That’s my bad
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:11 pm

A couple of things. Aus as a focus city won't happen.

A321 deliveries are currently all core configuration, so it's not possible in near term for bur to get one. I would say a220 might be a better option when that's ready.

btw, 2x A321 to BUR is crazy amount of capacity for that market in Q1. I wonder if they will cut back on JFK-LGB a little bit.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:47 pm

tphuang wrote:
btw, 2x A321 to BUR is crazy amount of capacity for that market in Q1. I wonder if they will cut back on JFK-LGB a little bit.


Agreed. Instead of 2 321’s, why not offer 3x 320, with the third flight operating with a morning BUR departure on the days Boston isn’t?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:42 pm

Blueknows wrote:
I’m sorry Costa Rica is in LATIN AMERICA. That’s my bad

No worries, just wanted to make sure they’re wasn’t a surprise change in the future schedule.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:11 pm

I found this CF interview really interesting
https://crankyflier.com/2019/09/05/the- ... -and-more/
according to Andrew Watterson, WN couldn't find any takers for its EWR gates when it tried to swap for them. That's both good and bad news
Bad because that would explain why B6 hasn't been more proactive adding flights to EWR since the announcement and F9 has moved in.
Good because I don't think F9 will last long and maybe they will be more ready to add flights once that happens.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:00 pm

tphuang wrote:
A couple of things. Aus as a focus city won't happen.

A321 deliveries are currently all core configuration, so it's not possible in near term for bur to get one. I would say a220 might be a better option when that's ready.

btw, 2x A321 to BUR is crazy amount of capacity for that market in Q1. I wonder if they will cut back on JFK-LGB a little bit.


Why do you think that?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:24 pm

BlueBaller wrote:
Blueknows wrote:
Just a reminder B6 has focus cities. B6 is east coast focused leisure airline. MINT is a premium product for long transcontinental/ high end South America/ Caribbean routes.
It is not ment to be first class. They do not intend it to be on short haul flights.


A.net is a better place thanks to reliable, factual and dependable sources like this guy.






:lol:

Hey now! More “news” will definitely be released “soon”.

50% of the time it happens every time.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:54 pm

tphuang wrote:
I found this CF interview really interesting
https://crankyflier.com/2019/09/05/the- ... -and-more/
according to Andrew Watterson, WN couldn't find any takers for its EWR gates when it tried to swap for them.


This is fake news. He never said that. He said Southwest tried to swap slots back when Newark had slots. He never said anything about gates.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:38 am

RodFarva wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I found this CF interview really interesting
https://crankyflier.com/2019/09/05/the- ... -and-more/
according to Andrew Watterson, WN couldn't find any takers for its EWR gates when it tried to swap for them.


This is fake news. He never said that. He said Southwest tried to swap slots back when Newark had slots. He never said anything about gates.


what is up with people using the word fake news so much. It's entirely disrespectful.

Check the part starting 11:20, he specifically said they tried to trade what they had in newark with other airlines and no taker. He used the words newark infrastructure. Back when they had slots, it was slots, but now it's gates. You can interpret this as only trying when it was slot based, but I think he was saying they generally haven't been able to find takers for what they have at EWR.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:19 am

So with CX cutting JFK-YVR, it seems like there is plenty of room for B6 to get in on this route at least in the summer time.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:28 pm

couple of more things.

Looks like the first passenger flight for A321NEO happened today on JFK-MCO.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KJFK/KMCO
courtesy of Wandrme

also A220 will be using the same IFE solution as A320 phase 2 and A321NEO.
https://paxex.aero/2019/09/jetblue-sele ... -a220-ife/
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:53 pm

alright, JFK-GEO is finally happening.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... nded-Range
starting April 2nd, which is right before Easter holidays. Makes a lot of sense for them to skip through the slow winter month.

Schedule between New York (JFK) and Georgetown (GEO)
Beginning April 2, 2020
JFK - GEO Flight #1965
GEO - JFK Flight #1966
11:55 p.m. – 5:58 a.m. (+1)
7:20 a.m. – 1:09 p.m.

Again, red eye on the way over, minimal ground time and coming back midday. Shouldn't use up a high value slot and still allow the to maximize utilization on new A321NEO. Looks like one of the low hanging fruit left out of JFK is now picked up. Interesting no FLL at this time.

As I discussed a while back when they added GYE, GEO is one of the most under-served VFR routes left out of JFK. Yes, AA added this route before Christmas, but the economics of A321NEO will make it very tough for both AA and BW on this route. I would think UIO, SAL and GUA are the remaining under served VFR routes now.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:03 pm

tphuang wrote:
alright, JFK-GEO is finally happening.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... nded-Range
starting April 2nd, which is right before Easter holidays. Makes a lot of sense for them to skip through the slow winter month.

Schedule between New York (JFK) and Georgetown (GEO)
Beginning April 2, 2020
JFK - GEO Flight #1965
GEO - JFK Flight #1966
11:55 p.m. – 5:58 a.m. (+1)
7:20 a.m. – 1:09 p.m.

Again, red eye on the way over, minimal ground time and coming back midday. Shouldn't use up a high value slot and still allow the to maximize utilization on new A321NEO. Looks like one of the low hanging fruit left out of JFK is now picked up. Interesting no FLL at this time.

As I discussed a while back when they added GYE, GEO is one of the most under-served VFR routes left out of JFK. Yes, AA added this route before Christmas, but the economics of A321NEO will make it very tough for both AA and BW on this route. I would think UIO, SAL and GUA are the remaining under served VFR routes now.



AA will drop JFK GEO just as they do other Caribbean routes whenever B6 enters. JFK GEO made sense for them when they shared high yields with BW. Fares will tumble on this route as B6 sets out to dominate the route.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:28 pm

tphuang wrote:
So with CX cutting JFK-YVR, it seems like there is plenty of room for B6 to get in on this route at least in the summer time.


This would be a great addition for B6, especially given that AC from EWR will now be the only other non-stop choice. Perhaps even a couple times weekly to BOS if JFK does well.

tphuang wrote:
alright, JFK-GEO is finally happening.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... nded-Range
starting April 2nd, which is right before Easter holidays. Makes a lot of sense for them to skip through the slow winter month.

Schedule between New York (JFK) and Georgetown (GEO)
Beginning April 2, 2020
JFK - GEO Flight #1965
GEO - JFK Flight #1966
11:55 p.m. – 5:58 a.m. (+1)
7:20 a.m. – 1:09 p.m.

Again, red eye on the way over, minimal ground time and coming back midday. Shouldn't use up a high value slot and still allow the to maximize utilization on new A321NEO. Looks like one of the low hanging fruit left out of JFK is now picked up. Interesting no FLL at this time.

As I discussed a while back when they added GYE, GEO is one of the most under-served VFR routes left out of JFK. Yes, AA added this route before Christmas, but the economics of A321NEO will make it very tough for both AA and BW on this route. I would think UIO, SAL and GUA are the remaining under served VFR routes now.


As I mentioned in the other thread this seems like a great use of lower value slots (or no slots at all).

I think the 321neo also makes JFK-BOG feasible now too, although with DL now entering that market it may be a bit saturated.

B6 will now be pushing quite a nice 11pm/midnight bank from JFK.....GEO, SDQ, STI, KIN, SJU, BQN, PSE, BGI, along with the final flights to Upstate/New England. Pretty impressive.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:44 pm

jplatts wrote:
B6 could establish a Midwestern focus city at CVG or IND in order to diversify itself beyond its JFK, BOS, FLL, MCO, and LGB focus cities.


There's no Midwestern city that doesn't already have a hub that has the population to support one. For context:

NYC CSA population: 22.6M (#1)
LA-LGB CSA population: 18.7M (#2)
BOS CSA population: 8.2M (#6)
MIA-FLL CSA population: 6.9M (#10)
MCO CSA population: 4.0M (#15) (plus theme parks)

IND CSA population: 2.4M (#28)
CVG CSA population: 2.2M (#30)

The closest would really be CLE at 3.5M now that UA's given up. But IIRC it has poor O&D for its size.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:14 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
alright, JFK-GEO is finally happening.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... nded-Range
starting April 2nd, which is right before Easter holidays. Makes a lot of sense for them to skip through the slow winter month.

Schedule between New York (JFK) and Georgetown (GEO)
Beginning April 2, 2020
JFK - GEO Flight #1965
GEO - JFK Flight #1966
11:55 p.m. – 5:58 a.m. (+1)
7:20 a.m. – 1:09 p.m.

Again, red eye on the way over, minimal ground time and coming back midday. Shouldn't use up a high value slot and still allow the to maximize utilization on new A321NEO. Looks like one of the low hanging fruit left out of JFK is now picked up. Interesting no FLL at this time.

As I discussed a while back when they added GYE, GEO is one of the most under-served VFR routes left out of JFK. Yes, AA added this route before Christmas, but the economics of A321NEO will make it very tough for both AA and BW on this route. I would think UIO, SAL and GUA are the remaining under served VFR routes now.


As I mentioned in the other thread this seems like a great use of lower value slots (or no slots at all).

I think the 321neo also makes JFK-BOG feasible now too, although with DL now entering that market it may be a bit saturated.

B6 will now be pushing quite a nice 11pm/midnight bank from JFK.....GEO, SDQ, STI, KIN, SJU, BQN, PSE, BGI, along with the final flights to Upstate/New England. Pretty impressive.

yeah I think DL entering JFK-BOG might make it an overly saturated market. Too bad, it looked to be an obvious add 6 months ago.

There is a lot of things that really make VFR flights more attractive than other areas for an airline like B6. They are generally least affected by recessions. People are always very price sensitive and less inclined to pay premium for FC seat, which plays into the strength of an all-core A321. They tend to carry more luggages than your regular business or leisure crowd, And they actually prefer these late night departures out of JFK and don't mind early morning departures, which means B6 doesn't need to use a higher value slot.

If I were JetBlue, I'd really make a strong push to offer big discount on these flights in exchange for credit card sign up. Most VFR passengers only fly a couple of times a year, so they are unlikely to be overly saturated with airline credit card pitches. They've been talking a loyalty program for a while, seems like this might be a more receptive audience.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:57 pm

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=63227
This is pretty exciting. Major update to T5 concessions. Some of these items like shake shack, korilla and Melt shop are pretty exciting to me at least.

also as mentioned in this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431221
A220LR is coming. Seems to me like an obvious option for B6 to take up. Would open up even more long thin routes that may not make sense to have lie flat J seating. Something like JFK/BOS-SNN/GLA/EDI/BHX for TATL or even JFK-LIM/BSB/UIO/ANC/PDL if we want to expand from that.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=JFK-LIM%3B ... =wls&DU=mi
Also a lot of FLL to south america routes would work here.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:15 pm

tphuang wrote:
http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetblue_airways/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=981&newsid=63227
This is pretty exciting. Major update to T5 concessions. Some of these items like shake shack, korilla and Melt shop are pretty exciting to me at least.

also as mentioned in this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431221
A220LR is coming. Seems to me like an obvious option for B6 to take up. Would open up even more long thin routes that may not make sense to have lie flat J seating. Something like JFK/BOS-SNN/GLA/EDI/BHX for TATL or even JFK-LIM/BSB/UIO/ANC/PDL if we want to expand from that.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=JFK-LIM%3B ... =wls&DU=mi
Also a lot of FLL to south america routes would work here.


i love Shake Shack, but JFK prices will probably see $15 plus for a burger and fries from them, a little too pricy for my liking.

I love the idea of the 220LR, it's the Mini Mint that was discussed a while back, would give consistency of product in that regard along with coming up with some of the routes being discussed. Be still my beating heart, I may have to fly the inaugural BOS-BHX if they did that route on a 220LR.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:40 pm

There’s a shake shack in T4 at JFK and about $6 or a single shackburger and $9 for a double. Add $3.29 for fries. I’ve seen double burgers that are smaller and not as good for $12 with no fries in Manhattan so these prices aren’t that bad.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:29 pm

jetBlue will upgrade their ABQ-JFK flight during balloon fiesta this year, Oct. 3-14, to an A321. Looking forward to seeing it except, of course, its at midnight.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:12 am

Chuska wrote:
jetBlue will upgrade their ABQ-JFK flight during balloon fiesta this year, Oct. 3-14, to an A321. Looking forward to seeing it except, of course, its at midnight.


There’s no slot control at that time, so you fit in where you can with the airframes that you have available.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:20 am

Anyone else notice the 321 on JFK ATL?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:49 pm

Chuska wrote:
jetBlue will upgrade their ABQ-JFK flight during balloon fiesta this year, Oct. 3-14, to an A321. Looking forward to seeing it except, of course, its at midnight.


Horrible red-eye.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:19 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Chuska wrote:
jetBlue will upgrade their ABQ-JFK flight during balloon fiesta this year, Oct. 3-14, to an A321. Looking forward to seeing it except, of course, its at midnight.


Horrible red-eye.

Can you give an example of a great red-eye?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:26 pm

tphuang wrote:
So with CX cutting JFK-YVR, it seems like there is plenty of room for B6 to get in on this route at least in the summer time.

B6 has been adamant about not adding service to Canada. They believe they can use BTV for YUL, BUF for YYZ and SEA for YVR. They state the taxes nullify the revenue earned by serving Canada nonstop so I don’t think we’ll see any Canada flights anytime soon.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:32 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Chuska wrote:
jetBlue will upgrade their ABQ-JFK flight during balloon fiesta this year, Oct. 3-14, to an A321. Looking forward to seeing it except, of course, its at midnight.


Horrible red-eye.

Can you give an example of a great red-eye?


LAX/SFO-BOS in Mint?
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:07 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
B6 has been adamant about not adding service to Canada. They believe they can use BTV for YUL, BUF for YYZ and SEA for YVR. They state the taxes nullify the revenue earned by serving Canada nonstop so I don’t think we’ll see any Canada flights anytime soon.


I would second that. When we flew YVR-LAX, the total fare was $106 one way all in, $60 of which was taxes!
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:53 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Anyone else notice the 321 on JFK ATL?

That's interesting, but I don't see it after November. Weird that we get 2x 321 on JFK-BUR and no A321 to places like MSY/AUS/IAH. All these seem to be good places to deploy A321 if they are unwilling to add flights.

B6 has been adamant about not adding service to Canada. They believe they can use BTV for YUL, BUF for YYZ and SEA for YVR. They state the taxes nullify the revenue earned by serving Canada nonstop so I don’t think we’ll see any Canada flights anytime soon.

The problem is not the taxes. service to london has high taxes too. The problem is how Canadian side dominates point of sale in these transborder market. YUL/BUF/YVR are not proxies for Canada unless you only care about the really price sensitive travelers.

From YVR, it's not obvious to me that Canadian side would necessarily dominate point of sale to BOS/jFK. And on top of that, YVR is not a logic transit point for TATL/TPAC flights (like YYZ/YUL are for NYC/BOS traffic), so I can see it working.

From OAG this wee,
B6 BOS-BUF NOV 4>3[5]
B6 BOS-PUJ DEC 0.4>0.2[0.4]
B6 BQN-JFK JAN 0.9>0.7[0.6]
B6 FLL-PUJ DEC 1.0>0.4[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.4[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-SDQ JAN 1.3>1.0[2] FEB 1.0>0.8[1.5]
B6 FLL-STI JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0] FEB 0.8>0.6[1.0]
*B6 GEO-JFK APR 0>0.9[0]
B6 JFK-MSY JAN 1.6>1.1[2]
B6 JFK-PUJ DEC 2>1.0[2.0] JAN 1.6>1.0[1.5]
B6 JFK-STI DEC 6>7[5]
B6 MCO-SJO JAN 1.7>1.4[1.8]

To me, BOS-BUF and JFK-MSY cuts are quite weak and doesn't make much sense. Especially JFK-MSY, which is a very profitable market for B6.

It almost feels like they reduced this along with JFK/BOS-TPA so they can later announce adding frequencies to these markets in the same announcement where they cut one or 2 more stations.
 
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Re: JetBlue Network Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:14 am

Im sure MSY is a mistake

Always 2 or 3 a day to JFK

JFK is the backbone of the MSY B6 operation

Wait a bit and see it level out

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