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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:19 pm
by Bigant0408
Recent article in regards to the 787s being used in PHL next year and beyond

https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... nd-beyond/

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:49 pm
by usairways85
The airport has explored the possibility of using some amount of space between the existing International Plaza and the FedEx facility as a bigger general cargo facility. I'm not really sure what they want to attract with the facility though. Amazon Air, LH cargo, KE cargo, etc.? The UPS facility will remain as is (and I think they plan to expand a bit).

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:26 pm
by PHLBOS
lowfareair wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
What is PHL lacking to become a bigger airport? What can PHL do to improve given it's current situation. A few users mentioned making B/C into one Terminal but lose a few gates. Another suggested is upsizing the F gates to accept larger aircraft maybe like the E175 (A321?), is this even possible? I suggested dual jet bridges for Terminal A east and west. The taxiway and runways is fine current growth of PHL.
It's 2018, what is your version CEP?


Many years ago, AirTran used to fly out of F with 717s, which are 7.5' wider and 20' longer than an e175.
Such was only a temporary situation while the Hammerhead addition at Concourse D was being constructed. I believe the gates used for the 717s/DC-9s (this was prior to FL retiring them) were F11 & F13. Additionally, US did use a couple of other F-gates for their E170s but such was short-lived.

lowfareair wrote:
]make the airport A380-capable (by the time that happens, many will already start to be retired).
Given the recent news that A380 production is being halted after 2021 (no surprise to most of us); there's really no need to make either the terminals or the airfields able to handle the A380... i.e. make PHL handle FAA Design Group VI aircraft for regular operations.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:57 am
by N292UX
AA will be running an A319 on PHL-MEM this summer. I believe that is the first time AA/US have run mainline metal on PHL-MEM.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:05 am
by crownvic
N292UX wrote:
AA will be running an A319 on PHL-MEM this summer. I believe that is the first time AA/US have run mainline metal on PHL-MEM.


The older US operated daily DC-9-30s on PHL-MEM for many years.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:51 pm
by TheFlyGuy
Interesting discussion going on in the thread linked below about AA reportedly considering launching non-stop flights to India and Africa and PHL mentioned as a likely beneficiary of such routes. Obviously this is all mere speculation at this point, but this would be a boon for PHL if it ever comes to fruition.

viewtopic.php?p=21135303

Based on this recent article:
https://skift.com/2019/02/28/american-a ... eamliners/

As far as likely destination candidates in Africa, CMN stands out as perhaps the most probable as RAM will be joining OW. I’ll admit I was a little disappointed (but not surprised) when RAM announced service to BOS recently as I was hoping to see RAM at PHL. I can help but think PHL-CMN has a high possibility of being launched (likely by AA) in the near future.

Other potential African destinations include CAI, LOS, or a long shot possibility JNB (however that would be one uber ULH flight and is probably more likely to be flown from MIA if AA ever feels a need to fly there). Any other African destinations that might be a possibility?

As far as India destinations go, BOM and DEL seem like the most likely, but India seems like it would be less likely in the near term as AA lacks a fellow OW member or other codeshare partner in India to my knowledge. However, it’s a huge market, so who knows.

Again, this is all nothing more than speculation at this point, but fun to think about.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:41 pm
by Bigant0408
TheFlyGuy wrote:
Interesting discussion going on in the thread linked below about AA reportedly considering launching non-stop flights to India and Africa and PHL mentioned as a likely beneficiary of such routes. Obviously this is all mere speculation at this point, but this would be a boon for PHL if it ever comes to fruition.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtop ... p=21135303

Based on this recent article:
https://skift.com/2019/02/28/american-a ... eamliners/

As far as likely destination candidates in Africa, CMN stands out as perhaps the most probable as RAM will be joining OW. I’ll admit I was a little disappointed (but not surprised) when RAM announced service to BOS recently as I was hoping to see RAM at PHL. I can help but think PHL-CMN has a high possibility of being launched (likely by AA) in the near future.

Other potential African destinations include CAI, LOS, or a long shot possibility JNB (however that would be one uber ULH flight and is probably more likely to be flown from MIA if AA ever feels a need to fly there). Any other African destinations that might be a possibility?

As far as India destinations go, BOM and DEL seem like the most likely, but India seems like it would be less likely in the near term as AA lacks a fellow OW member or other codeshare partner in India to my knowledge. However, it’s a huge market, so who knows.

Again, this is all nothing more than speculation at this point, but fun to think about.


Yea I had posted my 2 cents on that thread about it. For Africa if PHL was to potentially get a route I agree CMN would be the most likely destination for connections reasons. I would prefer RAM but idk if they’ll have enough aircrafta for service or if they even want to serve PHL. As for India I’m personally not sure what routes would benefit PHL if AA went that route. I know QR has offered decent connections to India from PHL at assume decent pricing so maybe there could be something there for AA but who knows.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:26 am
by PhillyAviation
lowfareair wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
My CEP would start out by moving the tenants of the cargo city parts East of the AA hangar to a new portion of the recently purchased land tract on the NW of the property and removing the parking lot East of Tinicum Island Road. Then turn that area into a terminal 'Far A West' which should fit about 10-11 net new A330/777 gates (Gate A18 would be removed in the process). Put in a better airside connector system, then upsize terminal F, then build the new single terminal B/C.

What I wouldn't do is a radical rebuilding of the airport, add a 3rd parallel runway (I don't think it is necessary), or make the airport A380-capable (by the time that happens, many will already start to be retired).


I think this is all pretty spot on, and likely close to what we'll see moving into the next 10-15 years. New Master Plan will be coming later this year or next, will be interesting to see what they decide on this time around.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:40 am
by PHLspecial
PhillyAviation wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
My CEP would start out by moving the tenants of the cargo city parts East of the AA hangar to a new portion of the recently purchased land tract on the NW of the property and removing the parking lot East of Tinicum Island Road. Then turn that area into a terminal 'Far A West' which should fit about 10-11 net new A330/777 gates (Gate A18 would be removed in the process). Put in a better airside connector system, then upsize terminal F, then build the new single terminal B/C.

What I wouldn't do is a radical rebuilding of the airport, add a 3rd parallel runway (I don't think it is necessary), or make the airport A380-capable (by the time that happens, many will already start to be retired).


I think this is all pretty spot on, and likely close to what we'll see moving into the next 10-15 years. New Master Plan will be coming later this year or next, will be interesting to see what they decide on this time around.


I agree that PHL will have to announce the New Master plan soon because it's costing PHL if they don't use that new acquired land.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:16 pm
by Bigant0408
For those who didn't hear yet Aer Lingus is having delays with aircraft delivery which has caused change in frequencies including PHL for at least July for now

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 76736.html

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:59 pm
by usairways85
Bigant0408 wrote:
For those who didn't hear yet Aer Lingus is having delays with aircraft delivery which has caused change in frequencies including PHL for at least July for now

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 76736.html

It does not appear to be drastic. Assuming they've already updated the schedule, I only count 2 days the flight does not operate in July.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:39 pm
by Bigant0408
usairways85 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
For those who didn't hear yet Aer Lingus is having delays with aircraft delivery which has caused change in frequencies including PHL for at least July for now

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 76736.html

It does not appear to be drastic. Assuming they've already updated the schedule, I only count 2 days the flight does not operate in July.


Oh ok well that good to know. So not to bad of a frequency change.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:23 am
by usairways85
On the UPS front, they seem to be running a 747 a bit on SDF-PHL
2/22 - 744
3/1 - 748 (no record of this departing, so it might be an error)
3/4 - 744 (saw this one today)



Pretty sure the last time the regularly used the 747 into PHL was with the 742 and 741.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:35 pm
by PHLspecial
usairways85 wrote:
On the UPS front, they seem to be running a 747 a bit on SDF-PHL
2/22 - 744
3/1 - 748 (no record of this departing, so it might be an error)
3/4 - 744 (saw this one today)



Pretty sure the last time the regularly used the 747 into PHL was with the 742 and 741.


Yeah I noticed this on flightaware. It would be cool if the B744 flew during the day time for some pictures. It would be awesome to see the BA, LH and UPS B744 all at once.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:20 pm
by wagz
UPS has had the B748 at PHL at least 3 times now. I've seen it on UPS2194 Friday afternoons 2/8, 2/15 and 3/1. It always departs that night back to SDF at 10:15pm (forget the flight number but that's the proposed time for the flight plan). As noted the 2/22 UPS2194 was a B744 but stayed until Sunday morning. Not sure where it departed to as I wasn't around for it, but it made an intersection departure of 27L at U.

Its worth noting that when UPS has the B748 in they only park it in the very middle of their ramp facing east, as opposed to the B744 which they can park in the normal spots along the north and south edge of the ramp facing in.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:22 pm
by APettyJ
wagz wrote:
UPS has had the B748 at PHL at least 3 times now. I've seen it on UPS2194 Friday afternoons 2/8, 2/15 and 3/1. It always departs that night back to SDF at 10:15pm (forget the flight number but that's the proposed time for the flight plan). As noted the 2/22 UPS2194 was a B744 but stayed until Sunday morning. Not sure where it departed to as I wasn't around for it, but it made an intersection departure of 27L at U.

Its worth noting that when UPS has the B748 in they only park it in the very middle of their ramp facing east, as opposed to the B744 which they can park in the normal spots along the north and south edge of the ramp facing in.



UPS expanded the ramp on the eastern edge to hold 3 748s; the spots are also marked for use for 767s. When the ramp gets more crowded they'll be parked there.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:26 pm
by PHLspecial
I thought I would mention this here but as usairways85 kindly mention in the weekly OAG thread

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... &t=1416993

AA has quietly dropped service between PHL-SLC. I tired a few booking in the month of DEC and don't see any nonstops.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:01 pm
by usflyer msp
PHLspecial wrote:
I thought I would mention this here but as usairways85 kindly mention in the weekly OAG thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416993

AA has quietly dropped service between PHL-SLC. I tired a few booking in the month of DEC and don't see any nonstops.


AA's PHL-SLC has always been summer only...

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:16 pm
by usairways85
usflyer msp wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I thought I would mention this here but as usairways85 kindly mention in the weekly OAG thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416993

AA has quietly dropped service between PHL-SLC. I tired a few booking in the month of DEC and don't see any nonstops.


AA's PHL-SLC has always been summer only...

I'm pretty sure the season was extended quite a bit so that it was only suspended Jan/Feb. Regardless, it is not even on the schedule anymore through the summer.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:46 pm
by jbpdx
AA did the same thing with SLC-MIA last year (or 2017?). They dropped it without an announcement and some on here kept saying it was seasonal.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:35 pm
by usairways85
APettyJ wrote:
wagz wrote:
UPS has had the B748 at PHL at least 3 times now. I've seen it on UPS2194 Friday afternoons 2/8, 2/15 and 3/1. It always departs that night back to SDF at 10:15pm (forget the flight number but that's the proposed time for the flight plan). As noted the 2/22 UPS2194 was a B744 but stayed until Sunday morning. Not sure where it departed to as I wasn't around for it, but it made an intersection departure of 27L at U.

Its worth noting that when UPS has the B748 in they only park it in the very middle of their ramp facing east, as opposed to the B744 which they can park in the normal spots along the north and south edge of the ramp facing in.



UPS expanded the ramp on the eastern edge to hold 3 748s; the spots are also marked for use for 767s. When the ramp gets more crowded they'll be parked there.

You've alluded to this before, but man...the ability to park 3 748's...what does UPS have in store for PHL.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:24 pm
by usairways85
An update on AA domestic widebody schedules

PHL-LAS 1x 763
**Since 3/4 and appears to be through end of April. AA only operates 2x total in March
PHL-SFO 1x 763, 1x 332
**Through much of April. AA operating 4x total in April

Plus the normal MCO, MIA, CLT, LAX rotations

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:16 am
by flyboy7974
usflyer msp wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I thought I would mention this here but as usairways85 kindly mention in the weekly OAG thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1416993

AA has quietly dropped service between PHL-SLC. I tired a few booking in the month of DEC and don't see any nonstops.


AA's PHL-SLC has always been summer only...



Not this season, AA actually has been flying this out of PHL on less then daily basis, AA593 is now an A320 but was an A321

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:10 pm
by PHLspecial
usairways85 wrote:
An update on AA domestic widebody schedules

PHL-LAS 1x 763
**Since 3/4 and appears to be through end of April. AA only operates 2x total in March
PHL-SFO 1x 763, 1x 332
**Through much of April. AA operating 4x total in April

Plus the normal MCO, MIA, CLT, LAX rotations


Interesting peak travel on Monday and Friday bewtween PHL-SFO. I guess UA and AS has no room to really compete

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:01 pm
by PHLCVGAMTK
usairways85 wrote:
An update on AA domestic widebody schedules

PHL-LAS 1x 763
**Since 3/4 and appears to be through end of April. AA only operates 2x total in March
PHL-SFO 1x 763, 1x 332
**Through much of April. AA operating 4x total in April

Plus the normal MCO, MIA, CLT, LAX rotations


Is there still an SJU widebody flight? And is it 763 or 332?

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:47 pm
by PHLspecial
PHLCVGAMTK wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
An update on AA domestic widebody schedules

PHL-LAS 1x 763
**Since 3/4 and appears to be through end of April. AA only operates 2x total in March
PHL-SFO 1x 763, 1x 332
**Through much of April. AA operating 4x total in April

Plus the normal MCO, MIA, CLT, LAX rotations


Is there still an SJU widebody flight? And is it 763 or 332?


Right now it's been once daily B763 the second daily is a narrowbody. Last year during the summer season I think might have replaced the B763 with a A321 because AA needed all the widebodys for the European routes.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:38 pm
by Bigant0408
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:11 pm
by PHLspecial
Can anyone give me a brief history on the PHL-CDG route flown by Air France and Delta? History like the load factor and aircraft type. Also why the Skyteam completely retreated from PHL?

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:14 pm
by steeler83
PHLspecial wrote:
Can anyone give me a brief history on the PHL-CDG route flown by Air France and Delta? History like the load factor and aircraft type. Also why the Skyteam completely retreated from PHL?

They retreated probably due to AA's stronghold on PHL and due to the close proximity of the stronger presence at JFK. Anyway, I remember AF operating PHL-CDG at least a few times weekly if not daily with an A330. They had a gate on either D or E.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:29 am
by crownvic
PHLspecial wrote:
Can anyone give me a brief history on the PHL-CDG route flown by Air France and Delta? History like the load factor and aircraft type. Also why the Skyteam completely retreated from PHL?


I can only recall the earlier years. They started service (vis BOS) with 707s in the early 70s. It was replaced by a 747 at some point. AFR started and stopped PHL service several times during the 70s through 90s. I had read somewhere, that they did this to maintain rights on the route. At some point, when service was resurrected, it became an A310-300. This eventually gave way to the "rare" AFR 767-300. In the end, the A330 and A340 became the regular a/c for AFR at PHL until service was once again discontinued. IIRC, AFR was in and out of PHL 4 times starting from the 1970s.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:41 am
by Zbogart757
Bigant0408 wrote:
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:04 pm
by steeler83
Zbogart757 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.

China Southern in PHL would be a site to behold! A 787 would be just the plane to do PHL-China with. I'd love to see PHL become a true OneWorld gateway airport with service on multiple OneWorld airlines given that they are an intercontinental AA hub and already have good service to LHR on both AA and BA..

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:30 pm
by Bigant0408
Zbogart757 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.


This article below shows China Southern intent for future destinations and PHL unfortunately didn't make the cut granted the article is from Sept '18 and things have changed since then with them pulling out of SkyTeam but who knows. Yea I completely agree having any service to China would be great but I still feel it's going be a few years before any route is created. Hope I'm wrong.

https://ftnnews.com/aviation/34947-abou ... -guangzhou

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:28 pm
by Bigant0408
https://thepointsguy.com/news/qatar-add ... -us-route/

People have been doubting the PHL-DOHA route even before it began saying it won't last but this news definitely shows the route has progress over the past few years after what I feel was rough start. Qsuite coming this summer still on 350-900

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:23 am
by usairways85
AA dropping 1 PHL-LHR flight to seasonal in W19 (will resume Mar 2020) to make way for the additional winter MIA-LHR frequency. It baffles me a bit that AA/BA can't manage at least ~3x on a hub to hub route year round.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1106332067137286144

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:06 am
by PHLspecial
crownvic wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Can anyone give me a brief history on the PHL-CDG route flown by Air France and Delta? History like the load factor and aircraft type. Also why the Skyteam completely retreated from PHL?


I can only recall the earlier years. They started service (vis BOS) with 707s in the early 70s. It was replaced by a 747 at some point. AFR started and stopped PHL service several times during the 70s through 90s. I had read somewhere, that they did this to maintain rights on the route. At some point, when service was resurrected, it became an A310-300. This eventually gave way to the "rare" AFR 767-300. In the end, the A330 and A340 became the regular a/c for AFR at PHL until service was once again discontinued. IIRC, AFR was in and out of PHL 4 times starting from the 1970s.


Thank you for the brief history of Air France and PHL. Makes me wonder if they had the A321LR they would try PHL again.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:14 am
by PHLspecial
Bigant0408 wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.


This article below shows China Southern intent for future destinations and PHL unfortunately didn't make the cut granted the article is from Sept '18 and things have changed since then with them pulling out of SkyTeam but who knows. Yea I completely agree having any service to China would be great but I still feel it's going be a few years before any route is created. Hope I'm wrong.

https://ftnnews.com/aviation/34947-abou ... -guangzhou


I know PHL has been targeting JAL for a long time. Cathy Pacific can't currently expand. China Southern would be an interesting add and highest probably. Air China is doubtful. Any airline that is not one world such as Korean Air basically has no shot at PHL. I too hope I'm wrong.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:25 am
by sagechan
usairways85 wrote:
AA dropping 1 PHL-LHR flight to seasonal in W19 (will resume Mar 2020) to make way for the additional winter MIA-LHR frequency. It baffles me a bit that AA/BA can't manage at least ~3x on a hub to hub route year round.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1106332067137286144


In this case it's probably more a LHR slot issue. Not hard to guess why MIA would have more midwinter demand than PHL.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:24 am
by flyboy7974
sagechan wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
AA dropping 1 PHL-LHR flight to seasonal in W19 (will resume Mar 2020) to make way for the additional winter MIA-LHR frequency. It baffles me a bit that AA/BA can't manage at least ~3x on a hub to hub route year round.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1106332067137286144


In this case it's probably more a LHR slot issue. Not hard to guess why MIA would have more midwinter demand than PHL.


Winter LHR has been abysmal, most often lower than a 40% load factor but always full up front and cargo waiting. Aircraft will be used probably for SJU or other Caribbean but finally lets allow BA to cover this route.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:03 pm
by PHLspecial
AerLingus adds A321neo LR Philadelphia service from Sep 2019

Airbus A321neo LR service, replacing Boeing 757. The service starts 01 SEP 2019 and continue daily.



https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:05 pm
by Bigant0408
PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.


This article below shows China Southern intent for future destinations and PHL unfortunately didn't make the cut granted the article is from Sept '18 and things have changed since then with them pulling out of SkyTeam but who knows. Yea I completely agree having any service to China would be great but I still feel it's going be a few years before any route is created. Hope I'm wrong.

https://ftnnews.com/aviation/34947-abou ... -guangzhou


I know PHL has been targeting JAL for a long time. Cathy Pacific can't currently expand. China Southern would be an interesting add and highest probably. Air China is doubtful. Any airline that is not one world such as Korean Air basically has no shot at PHL. I too hope I'm wrong.


What’s the reason Cathay can’t expand? I assume slot reasons? And yea any chance of any Asian flight would be Oneworld and obviously that’s hard to attract. I know for sure AA not doing it.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:07 pm
by Bigant0408
flyboy7974 wrote:
sagechan wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
AA dropping 1 PHL-LHR flight to seasonal in W19 (will resume Mar 2020) to make way for the additional winter MIA-LHR frequency. It baffles me a bit that AA/BA can't manage at least ~3x on a hub to hub route year round.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1106332067137286144


In this case it's probably more a LHR slot issue. Not hard to guess why MIA would have more midwinter demand than PHL.


Winter LHR has been abysmal, most often lower than a 40% load factor but always full up front and cargo waiting. Aircraft will be used probably for SJU or other Caribbean but finally lets allow BA to cover this route.


Doing dummy bookings for this route for the winter your absolutely right AA flights were barely half full most of the time so I’m not surprised by this decision and actually think it’s for the best. Still overall 2 flights in winter to LHR between AA and BA is more than enough IMO

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:13 pm
by PHLspecial
Bigant0408 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

This article below shows China Southern intent for future destinations and PHL unfortunately didn't make the cut granted the article is from Sept '18 and things have changed since then with them pulling out of SkyTeam but who knows. Yea I completely agree having any service to China would be great but I still feel it's going be a few years before any route is created. Hope I'm wrong.

https://ftnnews.com/aviation/34947-abou ... -guangzhou


I know PHL has been targeting JAL for a long time. Cathy Pacific can't currently expand. China Southern would be an interesting add and highest probably. Air China is doubtful. Any airline that is not one world such as Korean Air basically has no shot at PHL. I too hope I'm wrong.


What’s the reason Cathay can’t expand? I assume slot reasons? And yea any chance of any Asian flight would be Oneworld and obviously that’s hard to attract. I know for sure AA not doing it.



Yes I believe the HKG pretty slot constrained at this point. Also I thought Cathay had a little tight budget but I mean they recently add SEA-HKG, although Delta did give up on that route. Crossing my fingers on JAL or Cathay at this point.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:36 pm
by usairways85
Bigant0408 wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
sagechan wrote:

In this case it's probably more a LHR slot issue. Not hard to guess why MIA would have more midwinter demand than PHL.


Winter LHR has been abysmal, most often lower than a 40% load factor but always full up front and cargo waiting. Aircraft will be used probably for SJU or other Caribbean but finally lets allow BA to cover this route.


Doing dummy bookings for this route for the winter your absolutely right AA flights were barely half full most of the time so I’m not surprised by this decision and actually think it’s for the best. Still overall 2 flights in winter to LHR between AA and BA is more than enough IMO

It is what it is, so if the loads aren't there then yes absolutely makes sense. But IMO as we've discussed, this is PHL hitting well below what it should. Have to wonder if they switch the remaining flight to a 772 that will counter the up front seat loss and further cuts down on the Y seats.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:56 pm
by SeanM1997
British Airways will be increasing their London Heathrow to Philadelphia flights in Winter 2019 from 7 to 10 weekly (a continuation of S19 frequencies) - https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 6717253632

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:42 pm
by Bigant0408
SeanM1997 wrote:
British Airways will be increasing their London Heathrow to Philadelphia flights in Winter 2019 from 7 to 10 weekly (a continuation of S19 frequencies) - https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 6717253632


That's good to hear. Even tho it's not 2x daily like AA was before the one winter route drop this still helps and give PHL travelers an extra option to LHR.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:47 pm
by Ishrion
Aer Lingus postpones a321neo service that was originally scheduled:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute ... 1351318529

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:24 am
by PHLspecial
Ishrion wrote:
Aer Lingus postpones a321neo service that was originally scheduled:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute ... 1351318529


Well my excitement was shorted lived. I wonder if the A321LR will be introduced before the summer next year.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:54 pm
by Bigant0408
PHLspecial wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Aer Lingus postpones a321neo service that was originally scheduled:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airlineroute ... 1351318529


Well my excitement was shorted lived. I wonder if the A321LR will be introduced before the summer next year.


Same here lol smh but I hope so too.

Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:12 pm
by PHLspecial
Bigant0408 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
British Airways will be increasing their London Heathrow to Philadelphia flights in Winter 2019 from 7 to 10 weekly (a continuation of S19 frequencies) - https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 6717253632


That's good to hear. Even tho it's not 2x daily like AA was before the one winter route drop this still helps and give PHL travelers an extra option to LHR.


So the flight options should be a daily 744 and a mix of 788/789 and 772ER. The 10x weekly makes sense though.