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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:12 pm

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Zbogart757 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
This is good news to see about PHL overall for 2018 for passenger growth

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... since.html

Awesome to see PHL finally start growing again, now if we can get the traffic numbers back up. In another article there’s a photo with a China Southern B787 model in the background with the ceo of PHL, I may be just over thinking it but could they be hinting new service coming soon with them leaving SkyTeam and expanding codeshares with AA.


This article below shows China Southern intent for future destinations and PHL unfortunately didn't make the cut granted the article is from Sept '18 and things have changed since then with them pulling out of SkyTeam but who knows. Yea I completely agree having any service to China would be great but I still feel it's going be a few years before any route is created. Hope I'm wrong.

https://ftnnews.com/aviation/34947-abou ... -guangzhou


China Southern and AA announced a deeper relationship this week including earning and redeeming miles, although if they were looking at connecting to AA hubs, I'd put DFW and ORD before PHL.

From the BizJournals article: "Many Philadelphia-area companies do business in China, including Bassetts Ice Cream and the Chester County Economic Development Council..." They couldn't have picked better Philly-area companies as examples? Comcast is expected to make a billion dollars in revenue there in 2020, SAP has offices throughout China, etc.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:29 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
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British Airways will be increasing their London Heathrow to Philadelphia flights in Winter 2019 from 7 to 10 weekly (a continuation of S19 frequencies) - https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 6717253632


That's good to hear. Even tho it's not 2x daily like AA was before the one winter route drop this still helps and give PHL travelers an extra option to LHR.


So the flight options should be a daily 744 and a mix of 788/789 and 772ER. The 10x weekly makes sense though.

Yes, the current W19 PHL-LHR schedule is
7x AA 333
7x BA 744
1x BA 772
1x BA 789
1x BA 789

Can anyone confirm that the 3x BA flight in S19 is a 77W? I thought it was mentioned in this thread, but I cannot find a site online that explicitly labels it a 77W. I see it listed as "777."
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:14 pm

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Can anyone confirm that the 3x BA flight in S19 is a 77W? I thought it was mentioned in this thread, but I cannot find a site online that explicitly labels it a 77W. I see it listed as "777."


Well I plan on going spotting on 28th March or 5th of April. I can make a confirmation then :D
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:37 pm

According to the OAG post this morning by Enirlia Sun Country extended its PHL-MSP schedule past Sept

SY MSP-PHL SEP 0.1>0.8[0] OCT 0>0.8[0] NOV 0>0.2[0]
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:17 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
According to the OAG post this morning by Enirlia Sun Country extended its PHL-MSP schedule past Sept

SY MSP-PHL SEP 0.1>0.8[0] OCT 0>0.8[0] NOV 0>0.2[0]


I assume that’s an indication that bookings must be strong thus far. Good to see new entrant airlines at PHL doing well!
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:29 pm

TheFlyGuy wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
According to the OAG post this morning by Enirlia Sun Country extended its PHL-MSP schedule past Sept

SY MSP-PHL SEP 0.1>0.8[0] OCT 0>0.8[0] NOV 0>0.2[0]


I assume that’s an indication that bookings must be strong thus far. Good to see new entrant airlines at PHL doing well!


I was thinking the same thing for bookings.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:13 am

F9 has extended their schedule until mid-November. While we will need to wait until the next schedule extension to see which routes will stick through the winter season, overall it seems like continued growth at PHL. Some of the key frequency changes/extensions from August to November are below. (I did not check aircraft or look for new routes - though expect little to no changes there.)

- All the new S19 routes have been extended (ATL/LAS/MYR/PNS/RDU) with +1 weekly added to ATL
- Of the summer seasonal routes, only MEM, MSN, and OMA are being dropped in August; all others continue to November (I am not positive, but weren't routes like DFW/IAH/MCI dropped in August S18?)
- Relaunched in Feb '19, MBJ is becoming seasonal (or being dropped altogether, who knows?) as of August
- Compared to last winter, a few annual routes are seeing new weekly frequencies, but again these may be further changed with the next schedule extension: AUS +1, BNA +2, CHS +1, CLT +3, JAX +1, MCO +5, MIA -1, TPA -1

With F9, I am hesitant to read too much into this schedule extension - who knows what will happen post November. Also, I am fuzzy as to what Aug-Nov '18 looked like for F9 last year at PHL as I mostly recall true summer and true winter months. But nevertheless, this latest extension seems to indicate a continued growth trajectory for F9 at PHL
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:14 pm

With Icelandair canceling its CLE route because of the 737Max issues does any think PHL might be on the chopping block or upgauge to a 757 for the time being? Or something else?
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:20 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Can anyone confirm that the 3x BA flight in S19 is a 77W? I thought it was mentioned in this thread, but I cannot find a site online that explicitly labels it a 77W. I see it listed as "777."


So far the flight has operated with the B772. So maybe peak summer would be a 77W?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:25 pm

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With Icelandair canceling its CLE route because of the 737Max issues does any think PHL might be on the chopping block or upgauge to a 757 for the time being? Or something else?


I would sadly have to agree that PHL wouldn't see the service until the MAX service is restored. They have multiple flights out of EWR, JFK, and IAD. PHL would not make it because most likely FI wants to keep the customer base out of those markets or connecting flyers as well.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:32 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
With Icelandair canceling its CLE route because of the 737Max issues does any think PHL might be on the chopping block or upgauge to a 757 for the time being? Or something else?


I would sadly have to agree that PHL wouldn't see the service until the MAX service is restored. They have multiple flights out of EWR, JFK, and IAD. PHL would not make it because most likely FI wants to keep the customer base out of those markets or connecting flyers as well.


That would suck but understandable if that does occur. I heard FI has leased two 767 to complement the 737 out of service. Not sure where they will be routed to but hopefully that's a good sign but we shall see.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:43 am

So AA, AS, NK all serve PHL to LAX. Currently AA 6x, AS 1x, and NK 1x daily. I'm aware UA a long time ago to serve PHL-LAX. My question is would the other 2 of the BIG 3 U.S. airlines serve LAX-PHL?


Also I noticed that the AS switch the PHL-LAX from morning to night departure 7:45pm for summer 7:25 for non daylight savings. And LAX-PHL from a late night departure to late morning 10:30am (summer) 10:10am (non daylight savings). Anyone else noticed this?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:32 am

PHLspecial wrote:
So AA, AS, NK all serve PHL to LAX. Currently AA 6x, AS 1x, and NK 1x daily. I'm aware UA a long time ago to serve PHL-LAX. My question is would the other 2 of the BIG 3 U.S. airlines serve LAX-PHL?


Also I noticed that the AS switch the PHL-LAX from morning to night departure 7:45pm for summer 7:25 for non daylight savings. And LAX-PHL from a late night departure to late morning 10:30am (summer) 10:10am (non daylight savings). Anyone else noticed this?


DL served the route via 800 red-eye and early westbound departure for about a year after United left. VX came in with 3x daily and DL left. If the AS changes are permanent. That is a good thing.

Interesting that the NK flit was a red-eye originally, but isn't unlike their LA flights to BWI, FLL, DTW, CLE. The only other long haul daylight from LA is ATL and PIT.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:22 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
So AA, AS, NK all serve PHL to LAX. Currently AA 6x, AS 1x, and NK 1x daily. I'm aware UA a long time ago to serve PHL-LAX. My question is would the other 2 of the BIG 3 U.S. airlines serve LAX-PHL?


Also I noticed that the AS switch the PHL-LAX from morning to night departure 7:45pm for summer 7:25 for non daylight savings. And LAX-PHL from a late night departure to late morning 10:30am (summer) 10:10am (non daylight savings). Anyone else noticed this?

AA will be 7x in the summer, with the 332 still scheduled.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:25 pm

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DL served the route via 800 red-eye and early westbound departure for about a year after United left. VX came in with 3x daily and DL left. If the AS changes are permanent. That is a good thing.

Interesting that the NK flit was a red-eye originally, but isn't unlike their LA flights to BWI, FLL, DTW, CLE. The only other long haul daylight from LA is ATL and PIT.


Curious why they switch the times. I'm guessing for connectivity for the LAX base flyers? I agree its definitely much better than a red eye.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:27 pm

Nothing major but just felt like sharing. Philadelphia Business Journal posted the top 10 international destinations from PHL. London number one of course.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... tions.html
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:41 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Nothing major but just felt like sharing. Philadelphia Business Journal posted the top 10 international destinations from PHL. London number one of course.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... tions.html


Is it possible for you list the destinations? The article is behind a pay wall for me
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:47 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Nothing major but just felt like sharing. Philadelphia Business Journal posted the top 10 international destinations from PHL. London number one of course.

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... tions.html


Is it possible for you list the destinations? The article is behind a pay wall for me


London
Toronto
Cancun
Frankfurt
Punta Cana
Montreal
Dublin
Montego Bay
Doha
Rome
 
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Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:18 pm

They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:37 pm

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They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin


Yea true I do wish they gave out data for this article for their reasoning.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:31 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin


Yea true I do wish they gave out data for this article for their reasoning.


I could be wrong but I would guess they get their data from BTS.gov
I can download the data provide some numbers if anyone is interested.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:35 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin


Yea true I do wish they gave out data for this article for their reasoning.


I could be wrong but I would guess they get their data from BTS.gov
I can download the data provide some numbers if anyone is interested.


That would be great I’m definitely nterested
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:41 pm

usairways85 wrote:
They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin


My guess is they are actually the cities whose nonstop flights have the highest passenger count from Philadelphia, and doesn't just look at O&D. So the DOH counts would include those whose journey starts before Philadelphia and/or ends after DOH but would NOT include those who connected to get to DOH (i.e. a PHL-LHR-DOH ticket would be viewed as a London passenger by this metric).

With that, it would make sense simply based on seat counts - Rome gets a 291 seat A333 about 10-11 months/year. DOH gets a 283 seat A359 essentially year-round. Slightly smaller seat count but about 10% more total seats throughout the year.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:15 pm

The two 744's at PHL, courtesy of the PHL twitter account.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
They do not list the metric used to measure these so it is hard to hold them with a ton of weight. I am surprised to see Doha above Rome and Montreal above Dublin


Yea true I do wish they gave out data for this article for their reasoning.


I could be wrong but I would guess they get their data from BTS.gov
I can download the data provide some numbers if anyone is interested.


I already have the BTS data from Jan-Sep '18:

Airline Passengers Seats Load Factor
1 LHR 343,577 507,561 67.69 %
2 YYZ 225,468 283,305 79.58 %
3 CUN 207,304 247,633 83.71 %
4 FRA 176,684 234,223 75.43 %
5 PUJ 165,713 192,950 85.88 %
6 YUL 153,642 186,646 82.32 %
7 DUB 150,298 184,944 81.27 %
8 MBJ 134,491 168,149 79.98 %
9 DOH 118,186 153,786 76.85 %
10 FCO 105,527 130,370 80.94 %
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:35 pm

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The two 744's at PHL, courtesy of the PHL twitter account.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large


That would nice that both queens parked next to each other. Though that BA plane can certainly use a wash.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:06 pm

Being bored at work decided to do dummy bookings on PHL-DOH and noticed an upguage to a B777-300 from June to end of August. No formal announcement as of yet so anything can sure change by that time.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:11 pm

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Being bored at work decided to do dummy bookings on PHL-DOH and noticed an upguage to a B777-300 from June to end of August. No formal announcement as of yet so anything can sure change by that time.


First didn't PHL could support a B77W. Second I thought PHL was going to see the A359 with QSuite. I guess PHL is developing into a good fit for QR.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:20 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Being bored at work decided to do dummy bookings on PHL-DOH and noticed an upguage to a B777-300 from June to end of August. No formal announcement as of yet so anything can sure change by that time.


First didn't PHL could support a B77W. Second I thought PHL was going to see the A359 with QSuite. I guess PHL is developing into a good fit for QR.


It is because 1. PHL is a One World hub and 2. There is almost no other competition for QR, since no other Asian airlines fly there at the moment.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:26 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Being bored at work decided to do dummy bookings on PHL-DOH and noticed an upguage to a B777-300 from June to end of August. No formal announcement as of yet so anything can sure change by that time.


First didn't PHL could support a B77W. Second I thought PHL was going to see the A359 with QSuite. I guess PHL is developing into a good fit for QR.


The flight departure change last year pretty much helped them gain more passengers as I'm sure we all know about that.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:06 am

PHLspecial wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
The two 744's at PHL, courtesy of the PHL twitter account.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large


That would nice that both queens parked next to each other. Though that BA plane can certainly use a wash.


Was about to post this myself... what a beautiful sight. When was the last time PHL had two 747s in regularly schedule service there at the same time? I know a few years back LH sent the 744 briefly but I don't recall if BA was using theirs then (was probably a 772 or 789).
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:36 am

ams747757 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
The two 744's at PHL, courtesy of the PHL twitter account.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large


That would nice that both queens parked next to each other. Though that BA plane can certainly use a wash.


Was about to post this myself... what a beautiful sight. When was the last time PHL had two 747s in regularly schedule service there at the same time? I know a few years back LH sent the 744 briefly but I don't recall if BA was using theirs then (was probably a 772 or 789).



Iirc in the 1990’s British and Swissair for sure. I think Lufthansa was with A340 service and Air France was also A340 (perhaps 330?). TWA had L1011 service to Gatwick at the same time. Delta had 767 service to Manchester. I don’t recall any other international carriers besides the first two that had 747 service.

Question for the group - did Sabena serve PHL at all?
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:28 am

cha747 wrote:
ams747757 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:

That would nice that both queens parked next to each other. Though that BA plane can certainly use a wash.


Was about to post this myself... what a beautiful sight. When was the last time PHL had two 747s in regularly schedule service there at the same time? I know a few years back LH sent the 744 briefly but I don't recall if BA was using theirs then (was probably a 772 or 789).



Iirc in the 1990’s British and Swissair for sure. I think Lufthansa was with A340 service and Air France was also A340 (perhaps 330?). TWA had L1011 service to Gatwick at the same time. Delta had 767 service to Manchester. I don’t recall any other international carriers besides the first two that had 747 service.

Question for the group - did Sabena serve PHL at all?


Sabena never served PHL, but simultaneous 747 did occur at certain times of the year with AF, BA, SR, LH and PA.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:23 pm

Get those BA 744 pictures this summer. In a S20 preliminary schedule update BA withdrew the 744.

London Heathrow – Philadelphia eff 29MAR20 Operational aircraft changes
BA067/066 3-class 777-200ER replaces 747-400
BA069/068 1 of 3 weekly operated by 787-9, replacing 4-class 777-200ER


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283764/british-airways-s20-london-heathrow-long-haul-preliminary-update-as-of-07apr19/
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:06 pm

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Get those BA 744 pictures this summer. In a S20 preliminary schedule update BA withdrew the 744.

London Heathrow – Philadelphia eff 29MAR20 Operational aircraft changes
BA067/066 3-class 777-200ER replaces 747-400
BA069/068 1 of 3 weekly operated by 787-9, replacing 4-class 777-200ER


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283764/british-airways-s20-london-heathrow-long-haul-preliminary-update-as-of-07apr19/


Wow that’s a little bit of a bummer. I wonder why the change
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Get those BA 744 pictures this summer. In a S20 preliminary schedule update BA withdrew the 744.

London Heathrow – Philadelphia eff 29MAR20 Operational aircraft changes
BA067/066 3-class 777-200ER replaces 747-400
BA069/068 1 of 3 weekly operated by 787-9, replacing 4-class 777-200ER


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283764/british-airways-s20-london-heathrow-long-haul-preliminary-update-as-of-07apr19/


Wow that’s a little bit of a bummer. I wonder why the change


I'm not sure if it is suppose to be in line with the BA retirement of the 744. I'm sad that PHL would not see the A35k but it would to big for PHL.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:18 pm

General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:22 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Get those BA 744 pictures this summer. In a S20 preliminary schedule update BA withdrew the 744.



https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283764/british-airways-s20-london-heathrow-long-haul-preliminary-update-as-of-07apr19/


Wow that’s a little bit of a bummer. I wonder why the change


I'm not sure if it is suppose to be in line with the BA retirement of the 744. I'm sad that PHL would not see the A35k but it would to big for PHL.


Yea might be a reason for being removed.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:43 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Get those BA 744 pictures this summer. In a S20 preliminary schedule update BA withdrew the 744.



https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283764/british-airways-s20-london-heathrow-long-haul-preliminary-update-as-of-07apr19/


Wow that’s a little bit of a bummer. I wonder why the change


I'm not sure if it is suppose to be in line with the BA retirement of the 744. I'm sad that PHL would not see the A35k but it would to big for PHL.

BA is also replacing the 747 on LHR-IAH and LHR-PHX, as well as several other routes. So it's not just a PHL thing. Where is it written that PHL won't see the BA 350-1000? The BA 350-1000 has slightly LESS capacity than the 747-400, which has been on PHL-LHR for some time.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:55 am

acentauri wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:

Wow that’s a little bit of a bummer. I wonder why the change


I'm not sure if it is suppose to be in line with the BA retirement of the 744. I'm sad that PHL would not see the A35k but it would to big for PHL.

BA is also replacing the 747 on LHR-IAH and LHR-PHX, as well as several other routes. So it's not just a PHL thing. Where is it written that PHL won't see the BA 350-1000? The BA 350-1000 has slightly LESS capacity than the 747-400, which has been on PHL-LHR for some time.


I thought that BA is using the 744 with 275 passengers version
for the PHL-LHR route . You are right it is not written in stone for the A350-1000.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:41 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?


D14 (Delta gate) can handle a B763. That's currently the only non-A gate configured to accept a widebody. Including that one I count a total of 20 widebody gates. Additionally there are four remote hardstands that accept widebodies as well.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:50 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?

I’m not entirely sure about this but I was watching a YouTube video with a US B762 that sure looks like it’s at gate B11.
https://youtu.be/wSfR0G89cT0
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:28 am

TAP maybe looking at PHL after all according to this article on recovering their first A321LR.
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/04/07/tap ... st-a321lr/
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 am

PhillyAviation wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?


D14 (Delta gate) can handle a B763. That's currently the only non-A gate configured to accept a widebody. Including that one I count a total of 20 widebody gates. Additionally there are four remote hardstands that accept widebodies as well.


I thought B and C would have one each but looking at Google maps it's any of hard to tell. I see the hardstands on the map.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:45 am

Zbogart757 wrote:
TAP maybe looking at PHL after all according to this article on recovering their first A321LR.
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/04/07/tap ... st-a321lr/


Interesting to see if TAP can get a slot from PHL for the TATL bank. Would love to see them serve here.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:49 am

Zbogart757 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?

I’m not entirely sure about this but I was watching a YouTube video with a US B762 that sure looks like it’s at gate B11.
https://youtu.be/wSfR0G89cT0


It's hard to tell from that video. Would if a A330, B787 could fit there or maybe like at D14 like the other user mentioned.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:59 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
acentauri wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:

I'm not sure if it is suppose to be in line with the BA retirement of the 744. I'm sad that PHL would not see the A35k but it would to big for PHL.

BA is also replacing the 747 on LHR-IAH and LHR-PHX, as well as several other routes. So it's not just a PHL thing. Where is it written that PHL won't see the BA 350-1000? The BA 350-1000 has slightly LESS capacity than the 747-400, which has been on PHL-LHR for some time.


I thought that BA is using the 744 with 275 passengers version
for the PHL-LHR route . You are right it is not written in stone for the A350-1000.

Correct. BA primarily uses the Hi-J 744 with 275 seats, specifically, 98 premium seats.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:03 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
TAP maybe looking at PHL after all according to this article on recovering their first A321LR.
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/04/07/tap ... st-a321lr/


Interesting to see if TAP can get a slot from PHL for the TATL bank. Would love to see them serve here.

There are no "slots" in PHL. If TAP wants to fly here, I can assure you that the PHL airport officials will make it happen. They've been pretty adamant about new carriers / new service. But I don't think PHL is high on their list. Their expansion has focused 90+% on *A hubs.
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2019 1:55 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
General question, how many widebody gates does PHL have? Also is there any widebody gates outside of terminal A?

I’m not entirely sure about this but I was watching a YouTube video with a US B762 that sure looks like it’s at gate B11.
https://youtu.be/wSfR0G89cT0


It's hard to tell from that video. Would if a A330, B787 could fit there or maybe like at D14 like the other user mentioned.


I don't know the sizing of the actual gates currently, but right now heavies are not authorized on taxiway J anywhere east of Q/Spot 7. If for whatever reason it has to happen (because someone makes a wrong turn etc) then airport ops has to come out and wingwalk the aircraft past the B/C hammerheads and possibly move the aircraft off the taxiway center line and/or clear aircraft off the gates of the hammerheads. Considering the wingspan of the A330 and 787 are in the range of 200 feet (only 11 or 12 feet less than a B744) there's essentially no chance you'll fit one there without impacting adjacent gates as they're currently configured. Plus, D14 is a DL leased gate, so unless we're talking about some hypothetical new DL service there is no reason a heavy should ever need to be down there. Not to mention customs only exists in terminals A-East and A-West if its an international flight.

The AA B and C gates have been reconfigured over the years I believe so its possible that gate is no longer large enough to accommodate a heavy. I think B762s are also considered an Aircraft Design Group lower than the B763 which made parking them a bit easier and I think exempt from the J restriction mentioned earlier, but I'm not sure as they don't exist anymore so the point is moot.

usairways85 wrote:
There are no "slots" in PHL. If TAP wants to fly here, I can assure you that the PHL airport officials will make it happen. They've been pretty adamant about new carriers / new service. But I don't think PHL is high on their list. Their expansion has focused 90+% on *A hubs.


Indeed, there are no such thing as slots here or at most airports in the US for that matter (JFK being a notable exception). Additionally TAP using an A321 is to their advantage as the biggest problem with space for international flights is heavy gates at A-East and A-West. TAP's A321 could easily use one of the common use narrow-body gates at the lower numbered A-East gates while AA is trying to cram heavies in to gates that don't exist every afternoon.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:55 pm

So looks like FI has switched aircraft on the PHL-KEF to 757-200 because of the MAX issues. Glad this route wasn’t on the chopping block
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