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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:18 pm

Beginning March 7, 2020, Southwest Airlines will launch daily nonstop service between Sacramento and Maui. That means SMF will have 3 daily nonstop flights to Maui on Alaska, Hawaiian and Southwest. More flights, more competition = lower fares to Hawaii!

Southwest is also moving up the start date for SMF-HNL from January 19, 2020 to November 10, 2019!
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:28 am

dolphinflyer wrote:
Beginning March 7, 2020, Southwest Airlines will launch daily nonstop service between Sacramento and Maui. That means SMF will have 3 daily nonstop flights to Maui on Alaska, Hawaiian and Southwest. More flights, more competition = lower fares to Hawaii!

Southwest is also moving up the start date for SMF-HNL from January 19, 2020 to November 10, 2019!


Looks like SMF-OGG will be a bloodbath for awhile so indeed good news for SMF travellers off to Hawaii. WN and HA should be able to keep their OGG operation going as they can sell connecting itineraries to other islands via OGG. That leaves AS the odd one out on the SMF-OGG service in the event a fare war goes off on that route. Who knows maybe AS or someone else will start up service to Lihue.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:17 pm

AS will be cutting the SMF-KOA route in March 2020. Anyone got an idea of the yield AS was getting on this route? I always thought SMF-KOA was a long and thin route.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:49 pm

DophinFlyer, whats the update on the September traffic? Thanks!

I have a feeling SMF is going to be reaching a plateau on traffic stats next year. AS is cutting KOA, WN has lagged on growth this year, AA is cutting PHX service down to 4x daily from the current 5x (according to todays OAG report) and going less than daily on ORD once again, and F9 is cutting service slightly to DEN.

I'm hopeful this is just airlines readjusting based on demand and we see some up gauging on other stronger routes.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:29 pm

Keep in mind those AA cuts in Enilria's report are only posted for January, linked to the extension of the Max grounding. See if they still exist from February on. UA dropped one of the ORD flights into March, and their Max extension for January hasn't been shown next. Watch for that next week. Has WN adjusted yet?
AS dropped the SFO-KOA route too, which was the 4x weekly opposite the 3x weekly SMF-KOA route. WN hasn't announced SMF-KOA yet, and may not if AS found the route marginal or unprofitable.
I expect SMF to grow this summer once the Max is back in the air. No point in planning route expansions if it turns out the lift isn't there.
I won't be surprised if Contour adds more.
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:54 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
Keep in mind those AA cuts in Enilria's report are only posted for January, linked to the extension of the Max grounding. See if they still exist from February on. UA dropped one of the ORD flights into March, and their Max extension for January hasn't been shown next. Watch for that next week. Has WN adjusted yet?
AS dropped the SFO-KOA route too, which was the 4x weekly opposite the 3x weekly SMF-KOA route. WN hasn't announced SMF-KOA yet, and may not if AS found the route marginal or unprofitable.
I expect SMF to grow this summer once the Max is back in the air. No point in planning route expansions if it turns out the lift isn't there.
I won't be surprised if Contour adds more.


Where do you think Contour may add flights to out of SMF? Maybe ABQ? MCI?
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:01 am

smflyer wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Keep in mind those AA cuts in Enilria's report are only posted for January, linked to the extension of the Max grounding. See if they still exist from February on. UA dropped one of the ORD flights into March, and their Max extension for January hasn't been shown next. Watch for that next week. Has WN adjusted yet?
AS dropped the SFO-KOA route too, which was the 4x weekly opposite the 3x weekly SMF-KOA route. WN hasn't announced SMF-KOA yet, and may not if AS found the route marginal or unprofitable.
I expect SMF to grow this summer once the Max is back in the air. No point in planning route expansions if it turns out the lift isn't there.
I won't be surprised if Contour adds more.


Where do you think Contour may add flights to out of SMF? Maybe ABQ? MCI?

I have no informed idea, but I would think shorter haul for aircraft utilization. Very unlikely they'd go as far as MCI. Connecting existing dots and extended seasons or convert to year 'round, such as PSP and additional SBA. New could be SBP, which seems to be growing service in leaps and bounds, excluding SMF. Of course my selfish hope is for SMF-CEC, perhaps with the bounce in ACV like OO/UAx used to do. (ACV-CEC tag with the cost of a jet is probably unlikely, however.) But I would expect that most LF growth in the West would probably focus on OAK, but I don't see a SMF-OAK-xxx tag working.
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:20 pm

SMF handled 1,109,543 passengers during September 2019, marking an increase of 10.5% yoy on a seat capacity increase of 9.6%.

Double-digit yoy passenger increases for the month were registered by AM, AC, AS, DL, F9, HA and Y4.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:27 pm

dolphinflyer wrote:
SMF handled 1,109,543 passengers during September 2019, marking an increase of 10.5% yoy on a seat capacity increase of 9.6%.

Double-digit yoy passenger increases for the month were registered by AM, AC, AS, DL, F9, HA and Y4.



And SMF continues its roll. Def looks like SMF will hit that 13mil mark this year. Good to see the international carriers AM, AC, Y4 doing so well, hopefully some new international destinations to follow. DL continues it roll as new new leading legacy carrier out of SMF. DL has added DTW this year, up gauged ATL to 757 on one of their daily frequencies, up gauged both MSP departures to 739, up gauged on of the LAX departures to 738, SLC probably saw the most upgauging in recent memory with multiple mainlines daily, and the upcoming up gauge to all mainline service to SEA on A221 coming next spring. DL seems to be killing it here! I'm sure this has something to do with them making a move while the rest of the airlines wait for the MAX situation to be fixed, but I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of growth next year once the MAX is back in service especially with UA who was on an up gauging spree at SMF prior to the MAX issues. I'd probably also expect WN to increase frequency on those non daily services to the east such as HOU and MCO and bring back that BNA service that they teased us with for a month.

Any updates on the October traffic, dolphinflyer?
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:13 pm

smflyer wrote:
I'm sure this has something to do with them making a move while the rest of the airlines wait for the MAX situation to be fixed, but I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of growth next year once the MAX is back in service especially with UA who was on an up gauging spree at SMF prior to the MAX issues. I'd probably also expect WN to increase frequency on those non daily services to the east such as HOU and MCO and bring back that BNA service that they teased us with for a month.


In addition to SMF-HOU, SMF-MCO, and SMF-BNA, there are some other adds that could be made by WN out of SMF such as SMF-ATL, SMF-FLL, SMF-MCI, SMF-KOA, SMF-SAT, and SMF-TPA.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:09 pm

smflyer - the airlines aren't required to file the previous month's traffic until the 10th of the following month, so we won't know the October traffic stats until sometime between Nov 10-15. You know I always publish the info as soon as I get it.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:50 pm

With the explosive growth do you think SMF will be able to catch BNA or AUS?
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:30 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
With the explosive growth do you think SMF will be able to catch BNA or AUS?


Do you mean will we get flights to BNA/AUS or do you mean will our traffic stats catch up to BNA/AUS? WN already serves AUS and did serve BNA for a month earlier this year before having to suspend the route due to MAX issues.

In the case of our traffic matching BNA/AUS, I don't think it will. It is true all three of the cities (SMF/BNA/AUS) are quickly growing cities driving organic O&D demand, I think BNA/AUS also stand to benefit in connecting traffic as well due to their respective geographical locations. The more service and routes WN can pump out of BNA/AUS, the more connecting traffic they can funnel through there. The same cannot be said about SMF as we are in a poor geographical location in the US to have significant connecting traffic. The vast majority of connecting traffic from WN at SMF is the North-South traffic from WA/OR/ID - SoCal which isn't all that much and WN has a bigger station at OAK for connections that competes with SMF. So I think SMF will continue to grow from an organic O&D standpoint, but BNA/AUS are having a snowball effect as they grow just due to their locations.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:25 pm

Was talking total passengers. I checked and both BNA and AUS are projected to eclipse 17m this year so I don't think SMF will catch them anytime soon if ever. Regardless very impressive growth!
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:37 pm

SMF handled 1,156,907 passengers during October 2019, marking an increase of 7.8% on a seat capacity increase of 7.8%.

Double-digit yoy passenger increases for the month were registered by AeroMexico, Air Canada, Alaska, Delta, Frontier, Hawaiian, jetBlue and Volaris.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:22 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
Was talking total passengers. I checked and both BNA and AUS are projected to eclipse 17m this year so I don't think SMF will catch them anytime soon if ever. Regardless very impressive growth!


Interesting.

A quick look at SMF metro population shows a steady growth of more than 8% which compares to the current 7.8 growth of the airport traffic...

Using basic math (I'm gonna round a little here to make it easier)

Let say avg traffic in SMF per month was say 1150000
1150000 x12 in 2019 = 13,800,000
13,800,000 x .08 = 1,104,000 increase yoy so 15,000,000 in 2020
15,000,000 in 2020 x .08 = 1,200,000 = 16,800,000 in 2021
16,800,000 x .08 = 1,344,000 = 18,144,000 2022

So, if I did that right, in 3 years the traffic *could* be around 18 Million. Cool.
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:20 pm

Unusual visitor today, a LH 346 diverted from SFO. It was parked up behind the Terminal B concourse when I drove past.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH454/history/20191116/0915Z/EDDF/KSMF
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:16 am

SMF has handled 10.9 million passenger YTD2019. Assuming that the Nov/Dec figures grow a reasonable 7.5% yoy, that would put the YE2019 passenger total at 13.2 million passengers, up from 12.0 million in 2018. SMF is on-track to hit that target!
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:19 am

amadorE175 wrote:
Unusual visitor today, a LH 346 diverted from SFO. It was parked up behind the Terminal B concourse when I drove past.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH454/history/20191116/0915Z/EDDF/KSMF


saw it too on on my flight in! Our pilot mentioned something about heavy fog in the area delaying flights so maybe SFO still had fog causing arrivals to go into holding patterns. Looks like it circled twice before diverting to SMF.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 am

bluefltspecial wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
Was talking total passengers. I checked and both BNA and AUS are projected to eclipse 17m this year so I don't think SMF will catch them anytime soon if ever. Regardless very impressive growth!


Interesting.

A quick look at SMF metro population shows a steady growth of more than 8% which compares to the current 7.8 growth of the airport traffic...

Using basic math (I'm gonna round a little here to make it easier)

Let say avg traffic in SMF per month was say 1150000
1150000 x12 in 2019 = 13,800,000
13,800,000 x .08 = 1,104,000 increase yoy so 15,000,000 in 2020
15,000,000 in 2020 x .08 = 1,200,000 = 16,800,000 in 2021
16,800,000 x .08 = 1,344,000 = 18,144,000 2022

So, if I did that right, in 3 years the traffic *could* be around 18 Million. Cool.


As long as the economy stays healthy and people keep rolling into the Sacramento area, that definitely sounds like whats going to happen. The airport has several ways of adding gates to the airport according to their planning documents. One way is to extend either ends of terminal A and/or B, and the other one is to create another concourse off of terminal B to the west. I doubt terminal A will ever be further expanded due to the narrow security passage as the bottleneck to passenger capacity there in the mornings. My best guess would be that they simply add a few gates to the short end of concourse B and that should be enough for the airport to handle a few extra million passengers per year. I also believe that the airport can better manage gate utilization by rearranging some airlines between A and B. A is packed in the morning with legacy departures wheras B has more spread in its flights. One of the legacies should be moved to terminal B and some of the day time flights out of B should be moved over to A. I would think Delta might be a good move to B (partner Aeromexico is in B) and Spirit, Frontier, Contour, JetBlue, Sun country can all move into terminal A. That would essentially remove all of Deltas morning traffic out of terminal A and non of the mentioned airlines has a departures until 9AM.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:15 am

Looks like a couple of diversions out of SJC visited SMF tonight due to that storm coming through. According to FlightAware some of them attempted landings and decided to divert.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:40 am

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Looks like a couple of diversions out of SJC visited SMF tonight due to that storm coming through. According to FlightAware some of them attempted landings and decided to divert.

Really big storm came through tonight. There were diversions all over the place. SMF got 8 flights (7 from SJC and 1 from OAK). SJC and OAK got a few of each other's flights as well. Definitely a weird evening.
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:30 am

If I'm doing my math right, it looks like WN will hit 100 daily departures in the June schedule. Can someone verify my math or see if it is happening sooner?
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:55 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
If I'm doing my math right, it looks like WN will hit 100 daily departures in the June schedule. Can someone verify my math or see if it is happening sooner?


Here are the Q2 PDEW's of top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from SMF:
SMF-BNA - 129
SMF-SAT - 123
SMF-MIA/FLL - 119
SMF-MCI - 99
SMF-TPA - 76
SMF-TUS - 62

The lack of SMF-MCO nonstop service will also be a huge hole once WN drops SMF-MCO nonstop service next month as the PDEW on SMF-MCO was 204 passengers per day in Q2 2019.

There are still a few more adds that could still be made by WN at SMF, including the return of SMF-MCI, SMF-BNA, and SMF-MCO nonstop service and the addition of SMF-ATL, SMF-FLL, SMF-KOA, SMF-LIH, and SMF-SAT nonstop service.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:20 pm

jplatts wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
If I'm doing my math right, it looks like WN will hit 100 daily departures in the June schedule. Can someone verify my math or see if it is happening sooner?


Here are the Q2 PDEW's of top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from SMF:
SMF-BNA - 129
SMF-SAT - 123
SMF-MIA/FLL - 119
SMF-MCI - 99
SMF-TPA - 76
SMF-TUS - 62

The lack of SMF-MCO nonstop service will also be a huge hole once WN drops SMF-MCO nonstop service next month as the PDEW on SMF-MCO was 204 passengers per day in Q2 2019.

There are still a few more adds that could still be made by WN at SMF, including the return of SMF-MCI, SMF-BNA, and SMF-MCO nonstop service and the addition of SMF-ATL, SMF-FLL, SMF-KOA, SMF-LIH, and SMF-SAT nonstop service.


Although that info is nice. It didn't exactly answer the question.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:03 am

jplatts wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
If I'm doing my math right, it looks like WN will hit 100 daily departures in the June schedule. Can someone verify my math or see if it is happening sooner?


Here are the Q2 PDEW's of top domestic routes not currently served nonstop from SMF:
SMF-BNA - 129
SMF-SAT - 123
SMF-MIA/FLL - 119
SMF-MCI - 99
SMF-TPA - 76
SMF-TUS - 62

The lack of SMF-MCO nonstop service will also be a huge hole once WN drops SMF-MCO nonstop service next month as the PDEW on SMF-MCO was 204 passengers per day in Q2 2019.

There are still a few more adds that could still be made by WN at SMF, including the return of SMF-MCI, SMF-BNA, and SMF-MCO nonstop service and the addition of SMF-ATL, SMF-FLL, SMF-KOA, SMF-LIH, and SMF-SAT nonstop service.


SMF-MCO might be a huge hole, but the route seems to be pretty low yielding. I flew the route a few weeks ago and it was something like $162 one-way 2 weeks from departure on multiple airlines. No way anyones making big $ on that route.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:02 pm

As noted on Enilria's post, looks like some retrenchment at SMF for AS this summer. In addition to the previously announced Kona, Maui becomes only a tropical memory (SW seems to have run them off), and San Diego frequency cut to 3x daily from 4x. Please note this means FAT will have greater frequency to San Diego on Alaska than Sacramento in 2020...
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:15 am

williaminsd wrote:
As noted on Enilria's post, looks like some retrenchment at SMF for AS this summer. In addition to the previously announced Kona, Maui becomes only a tropical memory (SW seems to have run them off), and San Diego frequency cut to 3x daily from 4x. Please note this means FAT will have greater frequency to San Diego on Alaska than Sacramento in 2020...


Definitely a lot of retrenchment by AS, I wonder if they will be up gauging any of the other 3 frequencies to SAN. On the SMF-SEA side of things, looks like all carriers will be growing in 2020 on that route. Strong tech economy in Seattle seems the be the big driver there. SMF-PDX seems to have stagnated and I haven't noticed many changes to frequency or up/down gauging there.

Anyone see the massive delays at SMF last night and into today. Most Sacramento news teams have been reporting on an AT&T fiber line that was cut by a car accident that has affected the airport's internet connection as well as some cell phone service in the area. Link below:

https://www.abc10.com/article/travel/sa ... 102da02129
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:53 am

Definitely a lot of retrenchment by AS, I wonder if they will be up gauging any of the other 3 frequencies to SAN. On the SMF-SEA side of things, looks like all carriers will be growing in 2020 on that route. Strong tech economy in Seattle seems the be the big driver there. SMF-PDX seems to have stagnated and I haven't noticed many changes to frequency or up/down gauging there.

Another interesting tid bit I saw is that airlines have been manually checking in customers and many flights appear to be leaving 1-3hrs late with some cancellations in effect. FlightRadar showed 1-2 inbound WN flights holding on the tarmac throughout the morning waiting for gate space as the outbound aircraft were stuck at the gate due to the delays. I could only image how packed airside was in both terminals throughout the day as people waited hours for their flights. Makes you wonder why the airport doesn't have redundancy in internet connections.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:29 pm

AS is only shrinking in SMF because of WN. I’m sure there are a fair number of AS frequent fliers around Sac (plus people toward the Bay who were VX and moved over), but almost everyone I know in the Sac area is fiercely loyal to WN; they definitely have the best position there in terms of frequencies to most markets, as well as the corner on brand loyalty. I even know people who regularly fly to MDW when their destination is next to ORD and BWI when they always end up near IAD, just to stay on WN. AS will always have a niche, but I can’t see WN giving up their strategic hold on the market.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Dec 25, 2019 5:20 pm

flyfresno wrote:
AS is only shrinking in SMF because of WN. I’m sure there are a fair number of AS frequent fliers around Sac (plus people toward the Bay who were VX and moved over), but almost everyone I know in the Sac area is fiercely loyal to WN; they definitely have the best position there in terms of frequencies to most markets, as well as the corner on brand loyalty. I even know people who regularly fly to MDW when their destination is next to ORD and BWI when they always end up near IAD, just to stay on WN. AS will always have a niche, but I can’t see WN giving up their strategic hold on the market.


Agreed, every time someone claims loyalty to an airline in Sacramento, its always WN. I think their product is excellent for the majority of the flights(<2hr) they operate out of SMF. Decent leg room, quick and efficient boarding, high frequency service to SoCal and PNW destinations, free bags, and free changes/cancellations. Combined with their good frequent flier program, there's no reason to pick AS/HA over WN when flying to Hawaii. HA has degraded a lot in my books as they switched over to the A321 this year. I just flew with them last month and the 30" seat pitch was horrible for my tall frame. WN has 32" seat pitch in their 738s they fly to Hawaii and those 2" make a world of a difference to me. I'd personally go with the more comfortable seat on WN than getting squeezed in 30" pitch and a free soggy sandwich on HA. AS has decent legroom as well and good service, but has limited service out of SMF making WN the better carrier just based on destinations served.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:14 pm

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I'd personally go with the more comfortable seat on WN than getting squeezed in 30" pitch and a free soggy sandwich on HA.

WN gives out snack packs on the Hawaii flights, which is just as filling as the HA "meals".
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Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:05 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
smflyer wrote:
I'd personally go with the more comfortable seat on WN than getting squeezed in 30" pitch and a free soggy sandwich on HA.

WN gives out snack packs on the Hawaii flights, which is just as filling as the HA "meals".


haha yes agreed. And the snack packs have double duty of being "vegetarian friendly" for the health conscious Californians. I don't see how HA can command a premium on these routes as they did in the past with WN in the game now. I guess HA still has decent connections in HNL, but thats something WN will slowly encroach upon as time goes on.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:07 pm

wow, only 2.2% yoy growth in the November month at SMF with United leading the way with 26% cut in capacity. WN and AA also cut capacity on the month as well. Key growth came from HA, NK, AS, and DL helping to offset the losses from UA/WN/AA resulting in the paltry 2.2% yoy growth. I believe the common denominator between the capacity cut airlines is the 737 MAX aircraft. Good news is that YTD traffic is sitting at 12,009,950 which means that we are still on target to hit that 13mil passenger milestone. Hopefully we some solid numbers for December, but I don't see that internet outage fiasco from last week helping the numbers with all the cancellations it caused. My prediction for 2020 is a return to double digit growth at SMF once the MAX issues are sorted out, until then DL, AS, and NK will be eating WN, UA, and AA's lunch here at SMF. I think the MAX issues have been a blessing in disguise for SMF passengers as the MAX issues have mainly affected the strongest carriers operating out of SMF and has allowed some of the smaller carriers like NK to come in and set up shop, and DL to grow and reach parity in terms of passengers served against the other two legacy carriers.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:53 pm

Smflyer - a couple of things to keep in mind with the Nov traffic stats: Thanksgiving fell very late in the month this year meaning that two of the busiest days, Sun/Mon fell on Dec 1 & 2 this year. So while Nov stars were somewhat lackluster, we should see a Thanksgiving bump in the Dec 2019 stats. Also, Nov was one of the first months where SMF really began to experience the negative effects of the extended MAX groundings. Year-over-year seat capacity increases continue to look good for the first six months of 2020, assuming that the MAX’s are flying again by April or so. It’s great news that WN will hit the century mark in terms of weekday departures by June 2020 (+10% yoy!). That’s a huge accomplishment.
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:32 pm

dolphinflyer wrote:
Smflyer - a couple of things to keep in mind with the Nov traffic stats: Thanksgiving fell very late in the month this year meaning that two of the busiest days, Sun/Mon fell on Dec 1 & 2 this year. So while Nov stars were somewhat lackluster, we should see a Thanksgiving bump in the Dec 2019 stats. Also, Nov was one of the first months where SMF really began to experience the negative effects of the extended MAX groundings. Year-over-year seat capacity increases continue to look good for the first six months of 2020, assuming that the MAX’s are flying again by April or so. It’s great news that WN will hit the century mark in terms of weekday departures by June 2020 (+10% yoy!). That’s a huge accomplishment.


Thats good news for 2020. With the projected continued growth, what is the status of the airport's growth projects? I remember reading a SacBee article where they mentioned all this increased traffic is putting a strain on the airport facilities. It said that the airport was considering expanding airside B, adding parking garage B with rental car facility within, and some sort of expansion of the B arrivals area including extra baggage claim belts. At what point would the airport start such projects? and what is the most pressing project currently?
 
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Re: More of the Roar for SMF in 2019...

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:35 pm

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