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jplatts wrote:WN could further expand at SMF by (a) bringing back SMF-MCI nonstop service, (b) adding SMF-BNA and SMF-SAT nonstop service, and (c) extending SMF-HOU nonstop service to daily nonstop service.
Justapax wrote:WilliaminSD: You can surely tell from the airport's passenger numbers that travel is up....a lot!
Another way is to look at the lines for Peet's Coffee in Terminal A in the morning.
williaminsd wrote:From 2016. Looks like it was for the airport at large, not just Terminal A.
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/06 ... rovements/
ericm2031 wrote:HOU going daily is definitely likely as well as the addition of BNA. MCI I could maybe see after the new terminal. I'm still wondering if MSY and AUS are sustainable, but then again, BOI and GEG seem to be holding on.
jplatts wrote:ericm2031 wrote:HOU going daily is definitely likely as well as the addition of BNA. MCI I could maybe see after the new terminal. I'm still wondering if MSY and AUS are sustainable, but then again, BOI and GEG seem to be holding on.
There is more than enough demand for SMF-AUS nonstop service since there was an average of 322 passengers traveling between SMF and AUS per day in Q2 2018, which is more than enough demand to fill a WN 737-700 plane. There might even be enough demand for a 2nd daily nonstop to AUS from SMF on WN since WN is currently the only airline serving AUS nonstop from SMF.
There is also likely enough demand for WN to add daily nonstop service to SAT from SMF since there was an average of 222 passengers a day traveling between SMF and SAT in Q2 2018.
smflyer wrote:Anyone notice that UA right now has 4 red eyes now departing almost daily to their hubs in IAH,ORD,EWR,IAD? Thats a whole lot more than AA which has 2 reds to DFW and CLT respectively, and DL that has a single redeye to ATL. I know in the summer season all 3 majors have more red eyes, but it seems to me UA is running their summer red eye schedule right now...in January which with February are the two least busy months at SMF historically.
From what I remember, the summer red eyes tend to be:
UA: IAH,ORD, EWR, IAD
AA: DFW, CLT, (PHX to connect to a red eye)
DL: ATL, MSP, (DTW starting this summer)
UALifer wrote:smflyer wrote:Anyone notice that UA right now has 4 red eyes now departing almost daily to their hubs in IAH,ORD,EWR,IAD? Thats a whole lot more than AA which has 2 reds to DFW and CLT respectively, and DL that has a single redeye to ATL. I know in the summer season all 3 majors have more red eyes, but it seems to me UA is running their summer red eye schedule right now...in January which with February are the two least busy months at SMF historically.
From what I remember, the summer red eyes tend to be:
UA: IAH,ORD, EWR, IAD
AA: DFW, CLT, (PHX to connect to a red eye)
DL: ATL, MSP, (DTW starting this summer)
I believe United is still running its December holidays schedule through this week. Take a look next week. UA has no redeyes.
dfwjim1 wrote:Perhaps an 0800 departure to MIA via AA to catch departures to South America?
williaminsd wrote:Pre-departure Champagne up front on Alaska 3455 SMF-SAN this afternoon. That's a first...
dolphinflyer wrote:Well, it's official. December 2018 traffic figures have been released and SMF handled 1,033,883 passengers during the month, marking a 9.4% increase yoy on an 8.6% seat capacity increase yoy for the month. December was the eighth consecutive month that SMF handled in excess of one million passengers, a feat not achieved since July 2007.
During CY2018, SMF handled 12,049,398 passengers, marking a 10.1% increase yoy on a 7.8% seat capacity increase yoy.
BTW - SMF seat capacity during the first six months of 2019 is projected to increase 11.6% versus 1H2018 figures, so SMF is well-positioned to continue this impressive growth through at least the first half of the year.
amadorE175 wrote:dolphinflyer wrote:Well, it's official. December 2018 traffic figures have been released and SMF handled 1,033,883 passengers during the month, marking a 9.4% increase yoy on an 8.6% seat capacity increase yoy for the month. December was the eighth consecutive month that SMF handled in excess of one million passengers, a feat not achieved since July 2007.
During CY2018, SMF handled 12,049,398 passengers, marking a 10.1% increase yoy on a 7.8% seat capacity increase yoy.
BTW - SMF seat capacity during the first six months of 2019 is projected to increase 11.6% versus 1H2018 figures, so SMF is well-positioned to continue this impressive growth through at least the first half of the year.
Wow, great numbers. Thanks for the update. Do you know which airlines are adding the bulk of that capacity?
amadorE175 wrote:dolphinflyer wrote:Well, it's official. December 2018 traffic figures have been released and SMF handled 1,033,883 passengers during the month, marking a 9.4% increase yoy on an 8.6% seat capacity increase yoy for the month. December was the eighth consecutive month that SMF handled in excess of one million passengers, a feat not achieved since July 2007.
During CY2018, SMF handled 12,049,398 passengers, marking a 10.1% increase yoy on a 7.8% seat capacity increase yoy.
BTW - SMF seat capacity during the first six months of 2019 is projected to increase 11.6% versus 1H2018 figures, so SMF is well-positioned to continue this impressive growth through at least the first half of the year.
Wow, great numbers. Thanks for the update. Do you know which airlines are adding the bulk of that capacity?
smflyer wrote:williaminsd wrote:Pre-departure Champagne up front on Alaska 3455 SMF-SAN this afternoon. That's a first...
Passenger next to me had a pre-departure champagne on the AA CLT-SMF route last month. Didn't know any airline had champagne/sparkling wine domestically, always thought it was an intl business class thing.
smflyer wrote:Terminal B arrivals seems to get crowded sometimes, but now they moved the uber/lyfts into the parking lot so that should help out as well as directing more passengers to use door 3/4 for pick ups should help. I don't frequent terminal B that often, but last time I was there I noticed they switched the side of boarding/deboarding from the people mover on the airside. Its now boarding through the "inside" doors between the two train tracks and de-boarding on the outside doors.
smflyer wrote:The only thing I might point out is that the A1-A5 gate area tends to get very crowded in the mornings as AA/DL use some stretched out 739s and 321s to their hubs in the morning, but I'm sure that can be mitigated if DL would keep their regional aircraft on the A1-5 side and their mainline out of the A10-17 side which I think would really help to spread the crowds in the morning.
amadorE175 wrote:No new destinations but I'll take increased frequencies and larger aircraft.smflyer wrote:Terminal B arrivals seems to get crowded sometimes, but now they moved the uber/lyfts into the parking lot so that should help out as well as directing more passengers to use door 3/4 for pick ups should help. I don't frequent terminal B that often, but last time I was there I noticed they switched the side of boarding/deboarding from the people mover on the airside. Its now boarding through the "inside" doors between the two train tracks and de-boarding on the outside doors.
Did it ever operate with boarding on the outside doors? I only ever remember boarding on the inside doors but I also didn't go into Terminal B for its first year.smflyer wrote:The only thing I might point out is that the A1-A5 gate area tends to get very crowded in the mornings as AA/DL use some stretched out 739s and 321s to their hubs in the morning, but I'm sure that can be mitigated if DL would keep their regional aircraft on the A1-5 side and their mainline out of the A10-17 side which I think would really help to spread the crowds in the morning.
Went through Terminal A and the renovations look good but it seems like there's way less seating than before. It is fairly crowded now with bigger aircraft in the morning.
Wingtips56 wrote:Re: above OAG changes: Enilria did say October didn't fully load for WN, so ignore the OCT numbers. It also looks like the pre-change numbers above are wrong too, so I'd just look at the AUG new service numbers.
Hopefully the decrease for B6 SMF-JFK is temporary/seasonal.
For those of you who don't know Contour Airlines/LF, they picked up the Crescent City/CEC subsidy abandoned first by OO then by KS/PenAir, and started flying CEC-OAK daily last April. LF flies E-135s with only 30 seats for comfort. They have since expanded to add OAK-SBA-LAS-PGA and PGA-PHX. Currently the SBA-LAS and PGA legs are not daily, but will be expanding at the same time SMF-SBA starts flying. I hope you Smurfs all support the new service, which might encourage LF to connect SMF to ACV and CEC, which hasn't been served since OO's withdrawal.
tphuang wrote:there is no reduction from B6 on JFK-SMF. It's one of their best non-premium transcon routes. The lower number is due to October not being complete yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if JetSuitex flies into one of the sacramento area airport this year.
smflyer wrote:https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2019/02/17/airport-shelves-plan-to-find-master-developer-for.html?ana=e_sac_bn_newsalert&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0Raak9XUXdOekZoTTJZNSIsInQiOiJYcG40T21WZkdBdGlicjAwY2hcL1FURTl5WTJBTkY3NjdVQ0R6VWlwcEp6MlplbExNbFZXNENoUUxEQkp1ZkRzQ0dBMkIxdkd4dDFqT3pzaWRabHNcL09cL3NqYWJqZGluSTA0M0dDaCtHdXExQWVkMEZSNTNHdDFxTlwvdUl5SDI4UW8ifQ%3D%3D
Looks the like the airport has cancelled its plans to develop the area directly south of the airport and rather focus on improving the existing facilities that are nearing their operational capacity as passenger traffic continuously increases at SMF. Although disappointing that we won't see any development of hotels/restaurants near the entrance of the airport, im glad the airport management has chosen to focus on making sure existing facilities can handle the increased passenger counts and preparing for an even busier future.
williaminsd wrote:smflyer wrote:https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/news/2019/02/17/airport-shelves-plan-to-find-master-developer-for.html?ana=e_sac_bn_newsalert&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0Raak9XUXdOekZoTTJZNSIsInQiOiJYcG40T21WZkdBdGlicjAwY2hcL1FURTl5WTJBTkY3NjdVQ0R6VWlwcEp6MlplbExNbFZXNENoUUxEQkp1ZkRzQ0dBMkIxdkd4dDFqT3pzaWRabHNcL09cL3NqYWJqZGluSTA0M0dDaCtHdXExQWVkMEZSNTNHdDFxTlwvdUl5SDI4UW8ifQ%3D%3D
Looks the like the airport has cancelled its plans to develop the area directly south of the airport and rather focus on improving the existing facilities that are nearing their operational capacity as passenger traffic continuously increases at SMF. Although disappointing that we won't see any development of hotels/restaurants near the entrance of the airport, im glad the airport management has chosen to focus on making sure existing facilities can handle the increased passenger counts and preparing for an even busier future.
Hey 'Flyer. Can you post some highlights from article?
I can't get around firewall.
Thank you!
smflyer wrote:New OAG change with F9 going daily on the SMF-LAS route starting May. I'm glad that F9 is increasing service and bringing some competition to WN on this route.
F9 LAS-SMF MAY 0.6>1.0[0] JUN 0.6>1.0[0] JUL 0.6>1.0[0]
Dolphinflyer, you got us an update on the Jan traffic at SMF?
ericm2031 wrote:The most recent WN fact sheet for SMF shows up to 93 daily departures. Hawaii will add a few flights and if some of the more recent adds become daily, they will be getting dangerously close to 100 daily flights...very impressive.
I'm showing -800/MAX8 on a lot of routes next summer, including a lot of the newer routes, so if those stick...even more impressive.
jplatts wrote:ericm2031 wrote:The most recent WN fact sheet for SMF shows up to 93 daily departures. Hawaii will add a few flights and if some of the more recent adds become daily, they will be getting dangerously close to 100 daily flights...very impressive.
I'm showing -800/MAX8 on a lot of routes next summer, including a lot of the newer routes, so if those stick...even more impressive.
WN has its next schedule extension on Thursday, and WN is likely to announce SMF-HNL nonstop service on Thursday.
WN could also bring back SMF-MCI nonstop service since MCI is one of the top destinations traveled to from SMF that isn't currently served nonstop from SMF.
There are also a few more nonstop routes within the contiguous U.S. that could be added by WN out of SMF such as SMF-BNA and SMF-SAT.
Is WN likely to announce any other new nonstop routes out of SMF apart from SMF-HNL such as SMF-OGG, SMF-KOA, SMF-BNA, or SMF-SAT on Thursday?