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jubaexpress
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:20 pm

Mullion wrote:
Yes they are

Then as they have to have an plane there might as well pick up that route.
 
David_itl
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:27 am

2 fog diversions so far today that I've see. FI470 TF-ICU operating KEF-LGW and LO2201 SP-LMC operating BUD-LCY. Think there were a couple of BA ERJs last night from LCY.

In other news United is operating 767s in winter replacing the 757.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:18 pm

I guess the MAN flight will slot between the two STN services?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:14 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
I guess the MAN flight will slot between the two STN services?


That was bmi's plan so good reason to believe so.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:00 am

 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:04 am

KLM 777 PH-BQD just arrived from AMS as KLM9871.
Would this be for Air Livery to repaint into the wavy livery, and if so would be the first B772 to wear this livery?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:31 am

psimpson wrote:
KLM 777 PH-BQD just arrived from AMS as KLM9871.
Would this be for Air Livery to repaint into the wavy livery, and if so would be the first B772 to wear this livery?


Seems like it, not a regular flight number.
Flying blue only if possible
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:52 am

It’s replacing another KLM B777-200 from the same hangar so not the first one to wear it.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:34 pm

User001 wrote:
It’s replacing another KLM B777-200 from the same hangar so not the first one to wear it.


I am curious which other B772 it is as all the others are in operation except PH-BQO which is undergoing maintenance at AMS.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:31 pm

I suppose this is the best place to ask this question

Do Flybe only operate the Q400 on MAN-BHD? I'm looking at doing a long weekend in Ireland and depending on pricing, I'd like to fly the Q400 since I've already flown on E-Jets, 737s and A320s. Ryanair and Easyjet tickets are definitely cheaper from both Belfast and Dublin but if I can get a ticket with Flybe on a Q400 that's reasonably priced I'd like to take it.

Knowing if it's only Q400s on that route would make life much easier.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:24 pm

gtargui wrote:
I suppose this is the best place to ask this question

Do Flybe only operate the Q400 on MAN-BHD? I'm looking at doing a long weekend in Ireland and depending on pricing, I'd like to fly the Q400 since I've already flown on E-Jets, 737s and A320s. Ryanair and Easyjet tickets are definitely cheaper from both Belfast and Dublin but if I can get a ticket with Flybe on a Q400 that's reasonably priced I'd like to take it.

Knowing if it's only Q400s on that route would make life much easier.


I don't know if it's a rule, per se, but checking flight BE471, BE473, BE475 ((BHD-MAN) and for all the dates I could check into the past (into January) it was a DH8. Again, doesn't guarantee it, and I may have missed some dates, but there is a data point.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:38 pm

jubaexpress wrote:
I don't know if it's a rule, per se, but checking flight BE471, BE473, BE475 ((BHD-MAN) and for all the dates I could check into the past (into January) it was a DH8. Again, doesn't guarantee it, and I may have missed some dates, but there is a data point.


Well it does seem unlikely then. I'll probably do it in the next month or two and it does seem to only be Q400s in that time. Thanks for reassuring me!
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm

gtargui wrote:
jubaexpress wrote:
I don't know if it's a rule, per se, but checking flight BE471, BE473, BE475 ((BHD-MAN) and for all the dates I could check into the past (into January) it was a DH8. Again, doesn't guarantee it, and I may have missed some dates, but there is a data point.


Well it does seem unlikely then. I'll probably do it in the next month or two and it does seem to only be Q400s in that time. Thanks for reassuring me!


My analysis is non-scientific, and airline plane selection is not necessarily path dependent. But, there is a track record of it being heavily dominated by DH8. So, happy flying and enjoy the short flight. If you want turboprops, you can always go via the IOM on the way back.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:06 pm

Ryanair to launch Manchester to Milan Malpensa 5 weekly from 27 October 2019. At the same time, Ryanair's Manchester to Bergamo flights will be cut to 10 weekly from 12 weekly meaning a net gain of 3 weekly flights to Milan

http://m.ilgiornale.it/news/2019/02/26/ ... 9/1652590/
 
David_itl
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:02 pm

The January stats are out. Some isolated performances....

My abacus told me that Ethiopian averaged 76 passengers per flight in December. The figure's gone up in January..... to 82.4 passengers per flight. Seems to me that it's not beyond the realms of possibility for MAN to have Max8 non-stop services.

Cathay averaged 307 passengers per flight based on the 4 reported cancellations or if all flights operated 268 passengers.

Jet Airways averaged 234 passengers per flight.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:12 pm

David_itl wrote:
The January stats are out. Some isolated performances....

My abacus told me that Ethiopian averaged 76 passengers per flight in December. The figure's gone up in January..... to 82.4 passengers per flight. Seems to me that it's not beyond the realms of possibility for MAN to have Max8 non-stop services.

Cathay averaged 307 passengers per flight based on the 4 reported cancellations or if all flights operated 268 passengers.

Jet Airways averaged 234 passengers per flight.

Not bad going for January. I see that CX has gone back to the A359 for now.

ET's numbers may be skewed by it not being non-stop. They cannot sell a ticket to ABB if someone has booked the seat BRU-ABB before. This artificially holds down sales ex-MAN so as you say, direct MAX8 or even a direct 788 could happen soon. It depends on their sales (and non-sales) statistics which will be confidential. Are they turning any passengers or freight away?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:13 am

That's a good question for which I think only ET's beancounters would know! Couple of other ones are Hainan averaging 74% loads and Singapore Arlines - not going to do load factor splits as we don't know the capacity breakdown but to/from SIN averaged 178 passengers and to/from IAH averaged 113 passengers>

Heads up for tomorrow is the BEA A319 is pencilled in to operate BA1396/BA1403 (SHT2P/SHT3V) arriving 1620 departing 1705
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:20 pm

Turkish sending in the A330 again from next month for the rest of the summer:

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 79456?s=21
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:33 pm

The latest MAN-TP project news, courtesy of Manchester Airport - PlaneTalk Issue #80

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:42 pm

Manchester Statistics - January 2019

Introduction
Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 484 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period.

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Langkawi came online in January 2019 with 1,469 cruise passengers. U-Tapoa in Thailand appears for the first time with 1,155 charter passengers and Murcia International shows 2,124 scheduled passengers - Murcia San Javier saw its figures drop from 4,861 to 2,336 and Murcia as a whole had a reduction of 401 passenger.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)

Amsterdam - 1,041,195 passengers
Dubai - This route has now dropped out of the target figure to be included.

No domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for January.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 1,786,032 +6.9%
Annual Total - 24,784,468 +2.01%
Moving Annual Total - 28,417,078 +2.07%

Monthly Movements - 13,645 +0.79%
Annual Movements - 173,322 -0.84%
Moving Annual Movements - 201,348 -0.93%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
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Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.
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Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.
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Comparison of top 25 destinations - January 2009 versus January 2019
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Major changes to Domestic traffic
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CAA statistics for January are provisional.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:30 pm

Thanks for the stats, Doha has shown a significant increase, good news for sure but I wonder why? Have they gone to three times a day schedule yet?
I'm surprised not to see Hong Kong on the list, considering the route is doing well.
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Scottiedog
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:42 am

Luftymatt wrote:
Thanks for the stats, Doha has shown a significant increase, good news for sure but I wonder why? Have they gone to three times a day schedule yet?
I'm surprised not to see Hong Kong on the list, considering the route is doing well.


HKG appears on Chart 3. It's always hard to get into Chart 1 or 2 as you need high numbers to qualify. That is ond of the reasons for my doing a "selective" choice in #3 as it allows me to highlight certain routes.

Hopefully that explains the absence of HKG from the first two? Looking at the figures it might only be another few months before it appears in #1, but of course by then the Summer Mediterranean destinations kick in with higher numbers.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:06 pm

Did I miss something with the T2 TP project? I thought it was meant to be a full 3 pier 'toaster rack' setup, yet the plan has pier 2 essentially alongside the terminal with only piers 1 & 3 perpendicular to the main terminal building?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:46 pm

The building order is Piers 1,3 and then 2. The initial work on Pier 2 is limited to the construction of the new busing lounge and remote stands along the line of the planned Pier.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:41 pm

Rumor B6 buy MT
 
User001
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:54 pm

They won’t, they can’t own more than 49% for a start.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:07 am

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/virgin- ... artnership

Wonder if the above announcement will mean Air France and KLM moving back over to T2 in time?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:19 pm

Summary of February statistics:

Movements - 13,326 +1.69%
Passengers - 1,798,625 +7.97%
Inc transits - 1,805,164 +7.05%

Moving annual figures:
Movements - 201,569 -0.70%
Passengers - 28,502,330 +2.50%
Inc transits - 28,590,075 +2.44%
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:18 pm

Oops - the February passenger increase should have been 6.97%.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:20 pm

OPERATIONAL ADVICE NOTICE (OAN)
OAN 25 / 2019 – RUNWAY OPERATING HOURS (SUMMER 2019)
OAN REF:- 25/2019 DATE OF ISSUE:- 06/03/19 EFFECTIVE DATE:- 01/04/19 EXPIRY DATE:- 27/10/19
1.0 SUMMARY
1.1 During the summerseason dual-runway operating hours will revert to seasonal summer operating hours.
2.0 PROGRAMME
2.1 Commencing 06:15 Monday 1
st April 2019 for the summer season.
3.0 DUAL RUNWAY OPERATING HOURS
3.1 All times quoted in this Operational Advice Notice are local.
3.2 Monday to Friday (inclusive)
3.2.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 20:00hrs. Runway 05L/23R will be
in operation as a single runway at all other times.
3.3 Saturday
3.3.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 16:00hrs. Runway 05L/23R will be
in operation as a single runway at all other times.
3.4 Sunday
3.4.1 Runway 05L/23R and 05R/23L will be in operation between 06:15hrs - 09:30hrs & 13:00hrs – 20:00hrs.
Runway 05L/23R will be in operation as a single runway at all other times.
4.0 RESCUE & FIRE-FIGHTING SERVICE CATEGORY (RFFS)
4.1 RFFS Category 10 will be provided at all times.
5.0 PROMULGATION OF INFORMATION
5.1 A NOTAM will be issued promulgating the runway operating hours.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:26 pm

Easyjet adding Bari, Jerez, Kalamata and Nice this summer:

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 92321?s=21
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:49 pm

User001 wrote:
Easyjet adding Bari, Jerez, Kalamata and Nice this summer:

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 92321?s=21


XRY!!!! excellent news, any idea when these will be introduced? This will also complement the LGW flights to XRY commencing early April.
2019: ALA, AGP, AMM, DXB, FRA, GYD, IST, KBP, LGW, LHR, MAD, SVQ, TAS, TBS, TSE, XRY
A/C: 319, 32B, 32S, 32Q, 32V, 321, 73H, 73J, 75W, 76W, 77E, 788, E90
A/L: BA, HY, IB, J2, JY, KC, LH, PS, TK, U2
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:56 pm

They start in June. XRY will be 3 weekly.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:55 pm

Anna Aero has done a feature on the top 10 unserved routes from the top 10 ranked airports in Asia. We already have links to Beijing, Hong Kong and Singapore. Out of the remaining 7 airports we find the following:

Shanghai with 59137 passengers (2nd in their list). It needs Air China to have the rights forcibly removed from them and handed to an airline to wants to fly the route

Guangzhou with 23430 passengers (15th in their list). We know Hainan has the rights for this route.

Bangkok with 153395 passengers (2nd in their list). One day it will happen, one day...

Delhi with 49790 passengers (11th in their list). There's a belief that Jet Airways or Virgin will add this to help with Virgin's US service
https://www.anna.aero/2019/03/06/100-routes-asias-top-10-airports-non-stop-service/
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:31 am

 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:42 pm

User001 wrote:
It’s replacing another KLM B777-200 from the same hangar so not the first one to wear it.


No it's the BQD that's first to wear the livery. Before the 772 there was the PH-AKD (A333) that's the first A333 to wear the new livery.
The first A332 (PH-AOM) to wear the new livery was painted in Rome FCO recently.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:31 am

Does anybody know which A330-300 Thomas Cook will be using this summer out of MAN? They leased a HiFly aircraft last summer or could it be something from the Scandinavian fleet?
372 all economy according to their website.

TIA
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:40 pm

SAS increases MAN-OSL from 7 weekly (July 2018) to 12 weekly (July 2019).

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 07712?s=21

That twitter feed also has news of Jet2 increasing flights and other airport tidbits, so worth following to keep up to date with MAN news.
 
Scottiedog
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:51 pm

PlaneTalk Issue 81 - courtesy of the Manchester Airport Transformation Programme team


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User001
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:24 pm

Ryanair add a 9 weekly MAN-PRG link from October 27th

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 76321?s=21
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:16 pm

mark1484 wrote:
Does anybody know which A330-300 Thomas Cook will be using this summer out of MAN? They leased a HiFly aircraft last summer or could it be something from the Scandinavian fleet?
372 all economy according to their website.

TIA



The A333 operating from MAN this summer is OY-VKG from TCX Scandinavia.
 
SeanM1997
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:29 pm

Ryanair to add 3 weekly Katowice route from November 2nd

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 0970933248
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:54 pm

https://twitter.com/airportnewsman/stat ... 28232?s=21

Pegasus adds 5 weekly Istanbul SAW from July 1st with A32N and B737
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm

9W have cancelled their MAN-BOM flight effective 23/03/2019. I hope 9W has proved the demand for this route & some other airline picks this up.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:38 pm

AI wrote:
9W have cancelled their MAN-BOM flight effective 23/03/2019. I hope 9W has proved the demand for this route & some other airline picks this up.


I think it says more about 9W than MAN tbh.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:55 pm

what are said loads and demand?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:56 pm

It’s a great shame to loose the Mumbai link but it’s something that is clearly beyond MAN’s control. The issue MAN has is that the BOM-MAN route has been pretty much reliant on one single aircraft for a start which is never good (VT-JWP) and when the other Euro routes are LHR, CDG and AMS, there is no chance one of those 3 will get cut before MAN.......

In this business, you win some and you loose some. One good thing MAN has going for it However is that there is a decent pool of potential replacements at both ends of the route, so, let’s hope MAN can pull something out of the bag. Given the Jet woes have been a very public spectacle, one hopes MAN have been talking to those potential replacements for a while now...
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:58 pm

by738 wrote:
what are said loads and demand?


Average loads hover between 230/240 passengers. Worth remembering this was originally launched Atl 4 weekly, but was upgraded to 5 weekly before the route started due to higher than expected demand. Yield was said to be good enough but of course there is no way to prove that.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:07 pm

This may be the first test as to how ambitious a network VS and it’s partners wish to construct at MAN.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:14 pm

If it's a lack of yield, to stop operating on 22nd March i.e. the Thursday before the summer timetable change is a bit strange. You'd normally wait to the end of the winter timetable before pulling the route. Remember the service was launched as 4 weekly but prior to the 1st flight the frequency was increased to make it 5 weekly. Hardly the sign of low yield as you'd want to manage the frequency to avoid to many cheap seats being sold. May be it's like the AI BHX service that sees the the extra mileage flying to avoid Pakistani airspace impacting on the route.

In terms of loads:
November average 167 passengers - low to mid 60s% loads
December average 202 passenger - mid 70s% load
January average 234 passengers and mid to high 80s% loads
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