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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:09 pm

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:36 pm

Manchester Statistics - May 2019

Introduction
Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 486 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period.

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.
No new destinations were served in May 2019.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,048,038 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for May.
Neither Belfast City nor Belfast International and Exeter have reported for this month
In May 2018 these accounted for 63,527 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 2,644,546 +5.78%
Annual Total - 10,694,668
Moving Annual Total - 28,982,780 +3.83%
Monthly Movements - 18,609 +1.42%
Annual Movements - 77.188
Moving Annual Movements - 202,372 +0.22%

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Comparison of top 25 destinations - May 2009 versus May 2019
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CAA statistics for May are provisional.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:10 pm

oooft, some dire loads in amongst there
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:15 pm

Just a couple of observations about my Load-factor report.

According to the ACL Start of Season report for S19 Ethiopian have 135 seats per flight from Manchester. This equates to approximately 30% of the aircraft capacity and so if this is correct then the Manchester loads are within an acceptable level.

Singapore Airlines is a harder one to ascertain as the aircraft operates as a through service from Singapore to Houston. Again according to the ACL report the number of seats available from Manchester to Houston is 194 against the aircraft capacity of 253. On this basis Manchester should be looking for a load-factor of approximately 74% of the full aircraft configuration to be operating at 100%.

In both cases I have used the total aircraft capacity for my calculations.

The load-factor calculations of mine are still in their infancy as I am finding, for an example that both Air Transat and Thomas Cook don't stick to a single flight number on a route, but have multiple numbers. I'm doing a daily search of the FR24 database to find anything that I've missed - in the same way that Emirates have various configurations on their A380 and therefore, to be truly accurate, I need to check exactly which aircraft is being used in each flight.

I hope that helps a little.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:30 pm

Shame about the Ethiopian flights, cant see them lasting much longer with 28% LF and I was surprised how low BOS is.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:41 am

Interested wrote:
Landed at Manchester from Montego Bay yesterday

We had the "pleasure" of using the new terminal

Started off by waiting 30 minutes for them to fix the walkway for us to be able to get off the plane (explanation was that they needed 2 staff to do it and only one was available)

Really long walk to get from the plane to baggage (over 10 minutes) 2 small travellators only on the way that if working would take care of about 1 minute of the walk - but only 1 of the 2 was working

The place looks so uninviting - like an old hospital

Hardly any toilets to use when you get off the plane (literally 2 toilet cubicles (zero urinal) for gents and 2 cubicles for ladies) - the queues were so long most people didn't wait to try them

Very unimpressive all round to say this is a brand new terminal


Your RANT has already been answered to you by various posters on Pprune where you posted more or less the same!

As you were informed on Pprune.

The 'new' terminal hasn't opened yet, only one the 'new' Pier 1 has been completed along with the walkway to the 'existing' terminal.

What you experienced was the 'existing' 27 year old terminal.

The 'new' terminal is scheduled to open in time for the summer of 2020, then the 'existing' 27yo terminal (the one that you had the displeasure in using) will be partly demolished and rebuilt to the same standard as the rest of the 'new' terminal.

It will be a good few years untill the 'new' terminal will be totally completed!

I suggest that you keep up with the very informative and regular updates in this forum kindly supplied by Scottiedog!
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:56 am

Cunard wrote:
Interested wrote:
Landed at Manchester from Montego Bay yesterday

We had the "pleasure" of using the new terminal

Started off by waiting 30 minutes for them to fix the walkway for us to be able to get off the plane (explanation was that they needed 2 staff to do it and only one was available)

Really long walk to get from the plane to baggage (over 10 minutes) 2 small travellators only on the way that if working would take care of about 1 minute of the walk - but only 1 of the 2 was working

The place looks so uninviting - like an old hospital

Hardly any toilets to use when you get off the plane (literally 2 toilet cubicles (zero urinal) for gents and 2 cubicles for ladies) - the queues were so long most people didn't wait to try them

Very unimpressive all round to say this is a brand new terminal


Your RANT has already been answered to you by various posters on Pprune where you posted more or less the same!

As you were informed on Pprune.

The 'new' terminal hasn't opened yet, only one the 'new' Pier 1 has been completed along with the walkway to the 'existing' terminal.

What you experienced was the 'existing' 27 year old terminal.

The 'new' terminal is scheduled to open in time for the summer of 2020, then the 'existing' 27yo terminal (the one that you had the displeasure in using) will be partly demolished and rebuilt to the same standard as the rest of the 'new' terminal.

It will be a good few years untill the 'new' terminal will be totally completed!

I suggest that you keep up with the very informative and regular updates in this forum kindly supplied by Scottiedog!


Well put Cunard!!
I was about to respond with something similar...it bloody annoys me when people don’t have their facts right especially given the many updates of the TP already provided on this and other forums.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:21 am

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Shame about the Ethiopian flights, cant see them lasting much longer with 28% LF and I was surprised how low BOS is.


It seems that you had not read my post #309 in which I tried to explain my methodology for calculating loads on certain of the routes.

I've just 'tweaked' the figures for Ethiopian Airlines, which routes via Brussels, and Singapore Airlines to reflect the actual number of seats that I understand are offered on their routes, as against the aircraft capacity which I had used in my chart.

On this basis we get the following:

Ethiopian Airlines - 57.88% (assuming Manchester is limited to 135 seats)
Singapore Airlines - Houston - 63.33%(assuming Manchester is limited to 194 seats out of 253)
Singapore Airlines - Singapore - 74.62% (assuming Manchester is limited to 194 seats out of 253)

You also have to remember that freight can make a big difference as to how viable a route can be and, I am led to believe that Manchester almost fills the Ethiopian aircraft on each operation.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:46 am

Thanks Scottie for making it very clear, it is one thing that really bugs me is when people don`t bother to get the correct info before
slagging off or post totally incorrect posts as I am sure you are aware lol!
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:23 pm

Scottiedog wrote:
Just a couple of observations about my Load-factor report.

According to the ACL Start of Season report for S19 Ethiopian have 135 seats per flight from Manchester. This equates to approximately 30% of the aircraft capacity and so if this is correct then the Manchester loads are within an acceptable level.

Singapore Airlines is a harder one to ascertain as the aircraft operates as a through service from Singapore to Houston. Again according to the ACL report the number of seats available from Manchester to Houston is 194 against the aircraft capacity of 253. On this basis Manchester should be looking for a load-factor of approximately 74% of the full aircraft configuration to be operating at 100%.

In both cases I have used the total aircraft capacity for my calculations.

The load-factor calculations of mine are still in their infancy as I am finding, for an example that both Air Transat and Thomas Cook don't stick to a single flight number on a route, but have multiple numbers. I'm doing a daily search of the FR24 database to find anything that I've missed - in the same way that Emirates have various configurations on their A380 and therefore, to be truly accurate, I need to check exactly which aircraft is being used in each flight.

I hope that helps a little.


Does your calculation for ET's flights take into account the fact that it has a stopover in Brussels? As a tag on service, the LF you indicate may be acceptable for the airline for it operates via an established stopover.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:22 pm

Thanks BERARI for your suggestion and I would refer you to my post #313 where I have already made that alternative calculation.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:34 am

Coming back from Chatsworth House last night, I noticed a lot of social media chatter about a Crystal 77L arriving into MAN last night. It's scheduled to take Manchester United and Leeds United non-stop to PER at 2pm local today.

Today airlineroute has tweeted that Biman Bangladesh's inflight mag is now showing Dhaka-MAN-YYZ (and Dhaka-MAN-JFK) as a new route.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:54 pm

Ooops an error as crept into my initial load-factor file for April and May. There was an extra TCX flight to JFK that I had not noticed and also I had missed a formula for YVR. I think I should say that this data is 'work in progress'.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:09 am

SEU wrote:
Shame about the Ethiopian flights, cant see them lasting much longer with 28% LF and I was surprised how low BOS is.


Less than daily hurts this route and its much different than DY trying to fill something easy like USA-LGW.

I think DL should take over the BOS flight and run it daily with 168 seat 757. Their first week on BOS-EDI had 82.5% LF. Does BE currently feed DL?
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:44 pm

Update #98 courtesy of the MANTP Team to whom I give full credit:

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:37 pm

Yeah, was surprised with ET from the outset, so cant see that lasting. Some US iffy's too BOS, ATL will be under review.
Cant compare summer month inbound tourist EDI with far less competition.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:13 am

Why not it is a shared route with Brussels, at present Manchester is the minority airport as Brussels has operated for a number of years,
as Manchester grows it will be split away from Brussels and we become the major airport, as things are at present Manchester was never going to get more than 40% of available seats and I have read elsewhere that Manchester gets the lions share of cargo
I agree Boston is the weak ling but ATL will be fine
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:04 am

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Yeah, was surprised with ET from the outset, so cant see that lasting. Some US iffy's too BOS, ATL will be under review.
Cant compare summer month inbound tourist EDI with far less competition.


If you say so. Let's not even contemplate yield to which non of us are privvy. There's more to a route than just bums on seats you know.

Like how when ET had to cancel the BRU sector last year, they put a B737 on direct to MAN. Yes, means a low load, but, must of been high yielding enough for ET to operate the work around, they could have just canx and routed pax via other points.

But, as said, let's not have that get in the way of a dramatic response.....
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:31 pm

User001 wrote:
by738 wrote:
Yeah, was surprised with ET from the outset, so cant see that lasting. Some US iffy's too BOS, ATL will be under review.
Cant compare summer month inbound tourist EDI with far less competition.


If you say so. Let's not even contemplate yield to which non of us are privvy. There's more to a route than just bums on seats you know.

Like how when ET had to cancel the BRU sector last year, they put a B737 on direct to MAN. Yes, means a low load, but, must of been high yielding enough for ET to operate the work around, they could have just canx and routed pax via other points.

But, as said, let's not have that get in the way of a dramatic response.....


I also think it's too early in the season to be declaring some of VS' routes to the US as being under threat. In the case of BOS, this is also the first season where VS have had the route to themselves after Thomas Cook pulled out, so we'll know in a few months whether there has been an uplift in loads and yield. As for ATL, again I wouldn't read too much into it, especially when you consider it's feeding DL's big hub there and consider that it's scheduled for a 747 all year including through the winter months.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:17 pm

Update #99 courtesy of the MANTP Team

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:01 pm

Comment from a Malaysian news source on the steps MAS should take to rejuvenate its fortunes.

Comment includes a suggestion that MAS reinstate a number of discontinued services, including MAN amongst others (see quote below). I have no idea on the quality of the source (I would be staggered if it reflected the views of MAS) so make of it what you will.

“Secondly, MAS needs to revive its once popular international destinations out of KL, which include places like Paris, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Rome, Manchester, Madrid, Munich, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, New York and Vienna. Also some many of the Chinese, Indian and Australian cities too need to be re-instated”.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/bus ... t-for-mas/
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:33 pm

This week's update courtesy of the MANTP Team

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:54 pm

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:00 pm

Manchester Airport, in collaboration with Menzies Aviation, EasyJet and Jet2.com, will be trialling the
concept of a remote de-icing pad for Winter 2019/2020. However, a pre-season test of the process will
be undertaken at the end of July.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:50 pm

Manchester Statistics - June 2019

Introduction
Back in September 2015 I decided that I should start to correlate statistics for Manchester and use 2005 as a reference point for historical data. My file now consists of 14 years of monthly figures and 486 destinations that have been served from Manchester over that period.

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.
Poitiers was a new destinations served in June 2019.

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,049,656 passengers

The following domestic statistics are missing from the CAA report for June.
Neither Belfast International nor Exeter have reported for this month
In June 2018 these accounted for 36,667 passengers.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics
Monthly passengers - 2,966,156 +3.70%
Annual Total - 8,001,639 +5.69%
Moving Annual Total - 29,088,586 +3.85%

Monthly Movements - 19,380 +1.53%
Annual Movements - 54,546 +1.83%
Moving Annual Movements - 202,662 +0.44%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers
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Comparison of top 25 destinations - June 2009 versus June 2019
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CAA statistics for June are provisional.

As a separate item I have now started to analyze June's statistics to obtain load factors on certain routes

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Calculations are based of FlightRadar24 for days of flight operation, Planespotter.net for Seat Plans and CAA data for monthly figures.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:12 pm

MANTP Update #101 dated 26th July - courtesy of the MANTP Team, to whom full credit is given.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:45 pm

MANTP Update #102 dated 2nd August from the MANTP Team - to who full credit is given:

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:14 am

Icelandair to reduce KEF to 5x weekly from May 2020.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:39 am

and so presumably unrelated to MAX issues? What were the numbers like past few reported months compared with their other UK routes?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:39 pm

They are 5 weekly over summer anyway, not that it stops By738 coming to comment purely only if there is a sniff of bad news......
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:52 am

To add this news to the thread, VS’s 3x weekly MAN-BOS service on the A330 is due to be replaced by DL on a daily B752 BOS-MAN.

No information on whether this is year round, but an indication that VS/DL are aiming to develop the market between their secondary TATL hubs.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:38 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
To add this news to the thread, VS’s 3x weekly MAN-BOS service on the A330 is due to be replaced by DL on a daily B752 BOS-MAN.

No information on whether this is year round, but an indication that VS/DL are aiming to develop the market between their secondary TATL hubs.


I'm guessing this is being seen as a positive move? Going to daily (to match the EDI service - albeit, this route is seasonal), despite the smaller aircraft? Also frees up an A330 to operate another route?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:47 am

It seems all positive as far as I’m concerned.

It offers more seats (over 2300 per week versus the 1600 currently offered), it increases traveller flexibility, it brings Delta back to Manchester (and thus means routes can mix and match as to what’s suits the route best) and it should improve yield.

The 3 weekly A330 was just the complete wrong format for the MAN-BOS route. It needed to be 5 weekly at a bare minimum, and the inflexibility of the Schedule meant the A330 was just too big on the days it did operate.

Delta operating the daily BOS is win win, even with the B757 (people have a downer on the B757 but if it means the route has longevity, I’m all for it).
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:52 am

User001 wrote:
It seems all positive as far as I’m concerned.

It offers more seats (over 2300 per week versus the 1600 currently offered), it increases traveller flexibility, it brings Delta back to Manchester (and thus means routes can mix and match as to what’s suits the route best) and it should improve yield.

The 3 weekly A330 was just the complete wrong format for the MAN-BOS route. It needed to be 5 weekly at a bare minimum, and the inflexibility of the Schedule meant the A330 was just too big on the days it did operate.

Delta operating the daily BOS is win win, even with the B757 (people have a downer on the B757 but if it means the route has longevity, I’m all for it).


Who are Andy and Tom? Lol. (I'm joking - predictive text error!).

I agree with you. I guess the only downside is that DL don't offer lie flat seats on all of their B757's (am I right?) whereas VS do on the A330. I can't keep up with what product/seat DL offer on all of their long-haul aircraft - they seem to have lots of different variations. Perhaps someone can clarify for me?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:57 am

8herveg wrote:
User001 wrote:
It seems all positive as far as I’m concerned.

It offers more seats (over 2300 per week versus the 1600 currently offered), it increases traveller flexibility, it brings Delta back to Manchester (and thus means routes can mix and match as to what’s suits the route best) and it should improve yield.

The 3 weekly A330 was just the complete wrong format for the MAN-BOS route. It needed to be 5 weekly at a bare minimum, and the inflexibility of the Schedule meant the A330 was just too big on the days it did operate.

Delta operating the daily BOS is win win, even with the B757 (people have a downer on the B757 but if it means the route has longevity, I’m all for it).


Who are Andy and Tom? Lol. (I'm joking - predictive text error!).

I agree with you. I guess the only downside is that DL don't offer lie flat seats on all of their B757's (am I right?) whereas VS do on the A330. I can't keep up with what product/seat DL offer on all of their long-haul aircraft - they seem to have lots of different variations. Perhaps someone can clarify for me?


This will be operated by a 757 with lie flat Business Class, albeit in 2-2 configuration.

The non-lie flat 757s are only used on domestic flights apart from KEF, where the front cabin is sold as Premium Economy rather than Business Class.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:21 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
This will be operated by a 757 with lie flat Business Class, albeit in 2-2 configuration.

The non-lie flat 757s are only used on domestic flights apart from KEF, where the front cabin is sold as Premium Economy rather than Business Class.

Not necessarily, although most TATL 757 flights are operated with lie-flat seating certain routes such as BOS-LIS are operated with a domestic 757 with no lie-flat seating. It is currently not known whether this route will be operated with lie-flat seating or a domestic config.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:28 am

NickolayAv wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
This will be operated by a 757 with lie flat Business Class, albeit in 2-2 configuration.

The non-lie flat 757s are only used on domestic flights apart from KEF, where the front cabin is sold as Premium Economy rather than Business Class.

Not necessarily, although most TATL 757 flights are operated with lie-flat seating certain routes such as BOS-LIS are operated with a domestic 757 with no lie-flat seating. It is currently not known whether this route will be operated with lie-flat seating or a domestic config.


OK, I wasn't aware of BOS-LIS - I thought it was only KEF - but in a sense that is the exception that proves the rule: Delta does not sell Business Class on BOS-LIS. It is Economy and Premium Select (Premium Economy) only.

Delta do not sell a non-lie flat seat as Delta One on any TATL route.
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:40 am

I think with DL building out Boston in a big way, switching to their metal makes sense. They are fortifying Logan against the eventual arrival of JetBlue on the transatlantic scene, and that isn’t necessarily saying that JetBlue is coming to MAN. But they are connecting dots where prudent. I’m also in the camp that says a daily 757 trumps a 3x/week 330.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:55 am

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This will be operated by a 757 with lie flat Business Class, albeit in 2-2 configuration.

The non-lie flat 757s are only used on domestic flights apart from KEF, where the front cabin is sold as Premium Economy rather than Business Class.

Not necessarily, although most TATL 757 flights are operated with lie-flat seating certain routes such as BOS-LIS are operated with a domestic 757 with no lie-flat seating. It is currently not known whether this route will be operated with lie-flat seating or a domestic config.


From past experience when DL operated MAN-JFK with 757's, they were the ex-TWA examples which had lie flat seats. It would be a comedown from VS Upper if they used a domestic 757 that didn't have lie flat seats.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:25 pm

Why are KEF and LIS operated with domestic B757's, with only Premium Economy? Is there not enough demand for a Business Seat? Or do they just not have enough aircraft? Surely there would be enough demand to fill up to 16 Business Class seats a day?

And just to clarify are the are the lie-flat seats on the B757 the same model as those on its other long-haul aircraft?

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know it's not always correct), DL are starting the new the BOS-MAN flight on May 21st 2020. The BOS and JFK flights to LGW also start on this date too (again, according to Wikipedia). Have the dates/schedules/aircraft been officially announced by DL yet? I didn't think it had been.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:00 pm

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Why are KEF and LIS operated with domestic B757's, with only Premium Economy? Is there not enough demand for a Business Seat? Or do they just not have enough aircraft? Surely there would be enough demand to fill up to 16 Business Class seats a day?

And just to clarify are the are the lie-flat seats on the B757 the same model as those on its other long-haul aircraft?

According to Wikipedia (yes, I know it's not always correct), DL are starting the new the BOS-MAN flight on May 21st 2020. The BOS and JFK flights to LGW also start on this date too (again, according to Wikipedia). Have the dates/schedules/aircraft been officially announced by DL yet? I didn't think it had been.

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Delta will operate daily flights between Boston and Manchester from 21 May 2020 replacing Virgin Atlantic's 3x weekly flights
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:14 pm

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To add this news to the thread, VS’s 3x weekly MAN-BOS service on the A330 is due to be replaced by DL on a daily B752 BOS-MAN.

No information on whether this is year round, but an indication that VS/DL are aiming to develop the market between their secondary TATL hubs.


Fantastic news, and great to see Delta back at MAN. I agree a daily 757 is better than a three times weekly A330.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:20 pm

It’ll be great to see DL back at MAN, everyone I know that worked with DL were pretty sad when they pulled out! I wonder if we’ll see more VS/DL routes out of MAN anytime soon? :crossfingers:
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:24 pm

Luftymatt wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
To add this news to the thread, VS’s 3x weekly MAN-BOS service on the A330 is due to be replaced by DL on a daily B752 BOS-MAN.

No information on whether this is year round, but an indication that VS/DL are aiming to develop the market between their secondary TATL hubs.


Fantastic news, and great to see Delta back at MAN. I agree a daily 757 is better than a three times weekly A330.
Will this be a seasonal route?


Official announcement is tomorrow, however with the exception of AMS,CDG and LHR, the other routes are all seasonal, the date of 21/5/2020 suggests seasonal as that's when they started their seasonal routes this year 23/5/2019. (DUB/EDI/LIS), i think this is a much better aircraft for the route, the 330 just doesn't work for VS on this one. Daily will also be slightly more popular for business folks.
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