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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:34 pm

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Flybe to start a daily Manchester-Stuttgart route from 29 March 2020

MAN 0730-1025 STR
STR 1100-1205 MAN

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 78849?s=19


Out of curiosity, what’s the point of Flybe launching routes now if it’s about to be taken over by Virgin? As aren’t Virgin in the process of remodelling the network, which is due to be announced any time soon?

It's a type of route that makes sense for connections onwards on VS. Stuttgart is home to many major international companies such as Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Bosch etc. Stuttgart is also where the European HQ's are for Hewlett-Packard Enterprise and IBM all of whom creates a lot of business travellers
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:00 pm

Hewlett-Packard also have a not huge but still decent sized Manchester offices too so could be a deciding factor of corporate contracts are on offer
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:43 pm

[/quote]Oh geez. This is where AA went wrong with the ORD flight. Chopping and changing the aircraft to older models. PHL was the A330, then B787 and now B767. Where is the consistency with new aircraft?[/quote]

Agreed, and for a route that was making a profit on the A330, it won't be impressing their long term customers,
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:12 am

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October stats have now been made available by the airport. Allowing for the loss of Thomas Cook I believe that a reduction of less than 2% over the same month last year is a pretty good return.

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The charter figures are up, but I guess this was the last of the re-patriation exercise?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:27 am

mark1484 wrote:
Scottiedog wrote:
October stats have now been made available by the airport. Allowing for the loss of Thomas Cook I believe that a reduction of less than 2% over the same month last year is a pretty good return.

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The charter figures are up, but I guess this was the last of the re-patriation exercise?


That would make sense, especially as MAN was being used as something of a base for repatriation flights due to its geographically central location, with pax bussed to their final destination.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:36 am

SeanM1997 wrote:
8herveg wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
Flybe to start a daily Manchester-Stuttgart route from 29 March 2020

MAN 0730-1025 STR
STR 1100-1205 MAN

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 78849?s=19


Out of curiosity, what’s the point of Flybe launching routes now if it’s about to be taken over by Virgin? As aren’t Virgin in the process of remodelling the network, which is due to be announced any time soon?


It will still be part of Virgin Connect and in essence allows connections at Manchester on routes such as Stuttgart - Manchester - New York JFK. Its only under a Flybe new route as the new branding doesn't have an official launch date


Additionally, the business still needs to sell seats and operate as a business beyond the proposed name change date. This route could well be part of the strategy. I could be dreaming it but hasn't somebody else operated MAN-STR before?

Looking at the times however, I'm not sure it will connect well with VS long-haul flights, particularly given the trek from T2 to T3 and vice versa.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:54 am

Lufthansa and Ryanair have both operated MAN_STR in the last 10 years.

The 0730 dep 1205 arrival do actually tie in nicely with JFK. JFK departs 1350 so 1h45 should be more than enough time to connect.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:05 pm

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Lufthansa and Ryanair have both operated MAN_STR in the last 10 years.

The 0730 dep 1205 arrival do actually tie in nicely with JFK. JFK departs 1350 so 1h45 should be more than enough time to connect.

Add to that Eurowings and Hapag Lloyd express, on the STR route. Does Eurowings not fly STR anymore?
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:11 pm

A couple of answers
1) No Eurowings only do DUS ex Manchester
2) Most of the TCX passengers were home by begining of October with just the dribs and drabs arriving upto 6th with many flights having less than 30 passengers
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:00 pm

MANTP Update #116 dated 8th November courtesy of the MANTP Team to whom full credit is acknowledged.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:12 pm

Am I being a bit unkind here?

The updates about construction progress, and all the data it takes to just view the actual thread.... are they really necessary?

Yes I know I don’t HAVE to read the thread.

**just asking**

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:34 pm

HUYfan wrote:
Am I being a bit unkind here?

The updates about construction progress, and all the data it takes to just view the actual thread.... are they really necessary?

Yes I know I don’t HAVE to read the thread.

**just asking**

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I agree, far too many of them.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:23 pm

OAN 123/2019 – RE-DESIGNATION OF TAXIWAYS AND HOLDING POSITIONS.

OAN REF:‐ 123/2019 DATE OF ISSUE:‐ 13/11/19 EFFECTIVE DATE:‐ 04/12/19 EXPIRY DATE:‐ 07/12/19

1.0 SUMMARY

1.1 As part of the MAN‐TP development there will be changes to the naming of some taxiways and associated intermediate and runway holding points. The changes will take place overnight on Wednesday 4th into the morning of Thursday 5th December. The changes are timed to be coincident and effective with the worldwide amendment of aeronautical charts (AIRAC 13/2019).

2.0 PROGRAMME

2.1 The changes will commence at 21:00L on the night of Wednesday 4th, and be completed by 05:30L on the morning of Thursday 5th December 2019.

2.2 In the event of adverse weather or other unforeseen circumstances preventing work being completed on the night of Wednesday 4th, work will take place during designated contingency nights of Thursday 5th and/or Friday 6th December.

3.0 SCOPE & LOCATION OF WORKS

3.1 The scope of work will involve the changing of airfield signage and some painted ground markings to reflect new taxiway and associated holding point designations.

3.2 The schedule of taxiway and holding point re‐designations is summarised in the tables overleaf and depicted on the map attached to this document.



4.0 OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS

4.1 With effect from Thursday 5th December 2019, the new taxiway and holding point designations will be in use on aeronautical charts and within textual data (AIRAC 13/2019) and also on local airfield maps issued by MAG.

4.1.1 From the effective date all relevant airfield signage and painted ground markings will have been changed and all communications from Air Traffic Control, flight crews, Airport Fire Service, Airfield Operations and other airfield drivers must use the new designations. 4.2 Aircraft Pushback Procedures

4.2.1 A new Manchester Airport Aircraft Pushback Procedures document will be issued in advance of the taxiway and holding point re‐designations and will be effective from Thursday 5th December 2019.

5.0 LOW VISIBILITY OPERATIONS (LVO)

5.1 The work taking place on the night of Wednesday 4th December will have no impact on the airport’s ability to operate during periods of low visibility.

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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:29 pm

HUYfan wrote:
Am I being a bit unkind here?

The updates about construction progress, and all the data it takes to just view the actual thread.... are they really necessary?

Yes I know I don’t HAVE to read the thread.

**just asking**

Kind regards

HUYfan


Whilst appreciating your comment, this is a thread about Manchester Airport and I believe that the changes that are occuring as a result of the MANTP project are worthwhile recording.

As you say, you can always ignore my posts.

If the moderators think that too much data is being used then I am sure that they will let me know - although I understand that you may be referring to the amount of data that you need to use when accessing the thread?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:01 pm

sk736 wrote:
HUYfan wrote:
Am I being a bit unkind here?

The updates about construction progress, and all the data it takes to just view the actual thread.... are they really necessary?

Yes I know I don’t HAVE to read the thread.

**just asking**

Kind regards

HUYfan

I agree, far too many of them.


I was going to say the same thing. Too many of them I’m afraid for the minor changes in between each post.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:23 pm

USA destinations from Manchester
United Airlines: Newark
Singapore airlines : Houston
American Airlines Philadelphia
Virgin Atlantic: Atlanta, New York–JFK, Orlando Seasonal: Las Vegas, Los Angeles

The A321XLR has an advertised nominal 4700 nautical mile range, but actual ranges will be less. Smaller capacity would make it more economical to fly to USA destinations not currently covered.

These great circle ranges are simply a guide. You can choose other airports.
MAN BOS 2,741 nautical miles
MAN ORD 3,325 nautical miles
MAN ANC 3,774 nautical miles
MAN SEA 4,041 nautical miles
MAN LAS 4,421 nautical miles
MAN SFO 4,537 nautical miles

What would people like to see?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:41 pm

Also missing DL to BOS and TUI to SFB seasonal. SEA and SFO have fallen with Thomas Cook but perfect routes for VS to take on.

But also, not quite sure what the post is aimed at, is it about what new routes we hope to see as thankfully MAN isn't reliant on the A321 given all but BOS uses wide body ops
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:43 pm

HUYfan wrote:
Am I being a bit unkind here?

The updates about construction progress, and all the data it takes to just view the actual thread.... are they really necessary?

Yes I know I don’t HAVE to read the thread.

**just asking**

Kind regards

HUYfan


It’s a MAN based thread. So yes, if you don’t want to read it you don’t have to.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:52 pm

I enjoy reading the terminal updates but can understand the frustration of scrolling past 15+ slides every time there is a new update.

It is possible to perhaps upload them somewhere and simply share the link? Means that those who are interested can still see the updates and those who aren't can scroll past a link instead of all the slides.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:14 pm

User001 wrote:
Also missing DL to BOS and TUI to SFB seasonal. SEA and SFO have fallen with Thomas Cook but perfect routes for VS to take on.

But also, not quite sure what the post is aimed at, is it about what new routes we hope to see as thankfully MAN isn't reliant on the A321 given all but BOS uses wide body ops


USA destinations from Manchester
Delta Air Lines Seasonal: Boston (begins 21 May 2020)
United Airlines: Newark
Singapore airlines : Houston
American Airlines Philadelphia
Virgin Atlantic: Atlanta, New York–JFK, Orlando Seasonal: Las Vegas, Los Angeles

Certainly MAN isn't reliant on the A321XLR. But smaller jets can often make profitable routes which don't have enough traffic to fill a larger jet. For instance Hawaiian Airlines had a fleet of twenty four 278 seat Airbus A330-200s, but by adding sixteen 192 seat A321neos to their fleet they could now afford to run more flights to the smaller islands as well as Honolulu.

For people who use Manchester frequently, what smaller airport would you like to see as a destination? Vancouver, or Seattle or Chicago, or Florida?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:37 am

Vancouver, Seattle and Chicago are not "smaller" airport's as I'm sure your totally aware of, and when you typed Florida, well considering that it is a state couldn't you have quoted some "smaller" airport's instead.

Vancouver, Seattle and Chicago have all been previously served from Manchester and all with widebodies.

TUI will be transferring their Florida airport from Sanford to Melbourne in 2022. Miami has previously been tried on two occasions from Manchester, by TCX as well as AA. I'm surprised that Miami hasn't been a success at Manchester. That really leaves Tampa, but with VS not even serving the destination from either LGW or LHR I can't see them starting Tampa from Manchester before London.

There's nothing to say that those three destinations are not profitable or at least doable from Manchester but if they were to return at some point I have no reason to see why they wouldn't be flown again with widebodies over the A321XLR.

I still don't really understand the point of your post though but if you actually worded it better perhaps myself and others might have a better understanding of what you are trying to ask!
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:56 am

PacoMartin wrote:
User001 wrote:
Also missing DL to BOS and TUI to SFB seasonal. SEA and SFO have fallen with Thomas Cook but perfect routes for VS to take on.

But also, not quite sure what the post is aimed at, is it about what new routes we hope to see as thankfully MAN isn't reliant on the A321 given all but BOS uses wide body ops


USA destinations from Manchester
Delta Air Lines Seasonal: Boston (begins 21 May 2020)
United Airlines: Newark
Singapore airlines : Houston
American Airlines Philadelphia
Virgin Atlantic: Atlanta, New York–JFK, Orlando Seasonal: Las Vegas, Los Angeles

Certainly MAN isn't reliant on the A321XLR. But smaller jets can often make profitable routes which don't have enough traffic to fill a larger jet. For instance Hawaiian Airlines had a fleet of twenty four 278 seat Airbus A330-200s, but by adding sixteen 192 seat A321neos to their fleet they could now afford to run more flights to the smaller islands as well as Honolulu.

For people who use Manchester frequently, what smaller airport would you like to see as a destination? Vancouver, or Seattle or Chicago, or Florida?



Detroit-Manchester is the biggest whole in the DL/VS network currently that needs to be filled. It's even a bigger whole than BOS-MAN was. Tons of feed through the Delta Detroit hub makes this flight sustainable.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 am

klm617 wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
User001 wrote:
Also missing DL to BOS and TUI to SFB seasonal. SEA and SFO have fallen with Thomas Cook but perfect routes for VS to take on.

But also, not quite sure what the post is aimed at, is it about what new routes we hope to see as thankfully MAN isn't reliant on the A321 given all but BOS uses wide body ops


USA destinations from Manchester
Delta Air Lines Seasonal: Boston (begins 21 May 2020)
United Airlines: Newark
Singapore airlines : Houston
American Airlines Philadelphia
Virgin Atlantic: Atlanta, New York–JFK, Orlando Seasonal: Las Vegas, Los Angeles

Certainly MAN isn't reliant on the A321XLR. But smaller jets can often make profitable routes which don't have enough traffic to fill a larger jet. For instance Hawaiian Airlines had a fleet of twenty four 278 seat Airbus A330-200s, but by adding sixteen 192 seat A321neos to their fleet they could now afford to run more flights to the smaller islands as well as Honolulu.

For people who use Manchester frequently, what smaller airport would you like to see as a destination? Vancouver, or Seattle or Chicago, or Florida?


Detroit-Manchester is the biggest whole in the DL/VS network currently that needs to be filled. It's even a bigger whole than BOS-MAN was. Tons of feed through the Delta Detroit hub makes this flight sustainable.


Are you being paid to promote this route?!
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:54 am

Vancouver is still served from MAN, its a 3 weekly Air Transat A330 flight.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:52 am

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Vancouver is still served from MAN, its a 3 weekly Air Transat A330 flight.


It’s also in Canada, not the USA.

Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto Could all be attractive to WestJet when the Virgin Connect hub at MAN and WestJets JV with DL are up and running.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:43 am

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Detroit-Manchester is the biggest whole in the DL/VS network currently that needs to be filled. It's even a bigger whole than BOS-MAN was. Tons of feed through the Delta Detroit hub makes this flight sustainable.


You may get your wish. If the route can't support a dual aisle jet, it seems within the range of the A321neos that will start being delivered to Delta next year. DTW is not one of the larger gateway airports to the USA

Range from MAN to DTW 3,166 nm (to BOS 2,741 nm)

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37 Airbus A330-900neo 281 seats | Replacing older Boeing 767-300ERs
39 Airbus A350-900 306 seats
Older Delta Airbus fleet
11 Airbus A330-200 234 seats
31 Airbus A330-300 293 seats

Detroit currently has four destinations to Europe on Delta and is expecting three destinations on Air France and Lufthansa
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US airports by international traffic - service to Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:43 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
klm617 wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:

USA destinations from Manchester
Delta Air Lines Seasonal: Boston (begins 21 May 2020)
United Airlines: Newark
Singapore airlines : Houston
American Airlines Philadelphia
Virgin Atlantic: Atlanta, New York–JFK, Orlando Seasonal: Las Vegas, Los Angeles

Certainly MAN isn't reliant on the A321XLR. But smaller jets can often make profitable routes which don't have enough traffic to fill a larger jet. For instance Hawaiian Airlines had a fleet of twenty four 278 seat Airbus A330-200s, but by adding sixteen 192 seat A321neos to their fleet they could now afford to run more flights to the smaller islands as well as Honolulu.

For people who use Manchester frequently, what smaller airport would you like to see as a destination? Vancouver, or Seattle or Chicago, or Florida?


Detroit-Manchester is the biggest whole in the DL/VS network currently that needs to be filled. It's even a bigger whole than BOS-MAN was. Tons of feed through the Delta Detroit hub makes this flight sustainable.


Are you being paid to promote this route?!



I think he has a "whole" in his head.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:57 am

PacoMartin wrote:

US airports by international traffic - service to Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal


Are those figures just for 2018 or since the those routes started as I highly doubt JFK-MAN is 33 million per year, 90,000 per day.., considering JKF as a total had 33 million international passengers in 2018..
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:12 am

jomur wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:

US airports by international traffic - service to Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal


Are those figures just for 2018 or since the those routes started as I highly doubt JFK-MAN is 33 million per year, 90,000 per day.., considering JKF as a total had 33 million international passengers in 2018..


No, he’s put total passengers and then which airline serves man from that airport so you can see who has service and who doesn’t
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:38 am

VS4ever wrote:
jomur wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:

US airports by international traffic - service to Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal


Are those figures just for 2018 or since the those routes started as I highly doubt JFK-MAN is 33 million per year, 90,000 per day.., considering JKF as a total had 33 million international passengers in 2018..


No, he’s put total passengers and then which airline serves man from that airport so you can see who has service and who doesn’t


Quite - based on international passenger traffic it identifies that the “gaps” in the MAN-USA network are LAX (to year round), SFO, ORD and MIA.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:11 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
jomur wrote:

Are those figures just for 2018 or since the those routes started as I highly doubt JFK-MAN is 33 million per year, 90,000 per day.., considering JKF as a total had 33 million international passengers in 2018..


No, he’s put total passengers and then which airline serves man from that airport so you can see who has service and who doesn’t


Quite - based on international passenger traffic it identifies that the “gaps” in the MAN-USA network are LAX (to year round), SFO, ORD and MIA.


Also from a US-UK service coverage point of view, one could make the case that DL/VS may want to look at BHX-JFK. That could be a larger hole. I understand BHX has had it struggles maintaining Transatlantic though.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:15 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Detroit-Manchester is the biggest whole in the DL/VS network currently that needs to be filled. It's even a bigger whole than BOS-MAN was. Tons of feed through the Delta Detroit hub makes this flight sustainable.


You may get your wish. If the route can't support a dual aisle jet, it seems within the range of the A321neos that will start being delivered to Delta next year. DTW is not one of the larger gateway airports to the USA

Range from MAN to DTW 3,166 nm (to BOS 2,741 nm)

Upcoming Delta Airbus fleet
100 Airbus A321neo 197 seats | Deliveries to begin in 2020.
37 Airbus A330-900neo 281 seats | Replacing older Boeing 767-300ERs
39 Airbus A350-900 306 seats
Older Delta Airbus fleet
11 Airbus A330-200 234 seats
31 Airbus A330-300 293 seats

Detroit currently has four destinations to Europe on Delta and is expecting three destinations on Air France and Lufthansa
Delta Air Lines Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London–Heathrow, Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Lufthansa Frankfurt, Munich (begins May 4, 2020)

US airports by international traffic - service to Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal



A Delta 757 can also reach Detroit with ease from Manchester and while DTW may not be a major US gateway it is a major international hub for Delta.
Last edited by klm617 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:20 pm

How about ATL as they are mentioning MAN as one of their missing links
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:23 pm

Mullion wrote:
How about ATL as they are mentioning MAN as one of their missing links


Is ATL a typo (there is a long-standing DL/VS service MAN-ATL)?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:36 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

No, he’s put total passengers and then which airline serves man from that airport so you can see who has service and who doesn’t


Quite - based on international passenger traffic it identifies that the “gaps” in the MAN-USA network are LAX (to year round), SFO, ORD and MIA.


Also from a US-UK service coverage point of view, one could make the case that DL/VS may want to look at BHX-JFK. That could be a larger hole. I understand BHX has had it struggles maintaining Transatlantic though.


I wouldn’t rule it out, but the issues I see with this are:

1 - DL/VS have a clear strategic focus on building hubs at MAN and (if runway 3 is ever built) LHR. BHX is effectively trapped between them, and the close geographic proximity would m lead to VS/DL substantively competing with themselves which they won’t want to do.

2 - Virgin Connect has a clear strategy of feeding MAN and LHR. It looks like the legacy FlyBe network at BHX is being reduced accordingly and therefore the connecting opportunities are likely to reduce.

3 - leaving aside all of these factors above, BHX has struggled to retain TATL (for whatever reasons) and this will likely cause potential operators other than DL/VS to think twice (rightly or wrongly).
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:38 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Also from a US-UK service coverage point of view, one could make the case that DL/VS may want to look at BHX-JFK. That could be a larger hole. I understand BHX has had it struggles maintaining Transatlantic though.


It depends if the market is big enough. I was in Birmingham city centre last month and I saw a giant VS advert on one of the electronic billboards near New Street station and it was specifically pushing flights from MAN. I guess VS will have data to determine if they're getting enough traffic or not from the West Midlands and surrounding catchment areas (East Midlands, Mid Wales, northern parts of the Home Counties, parts of South Wales and the West Country etc.) to justify a presence at BHX.

BHX will forever be squeezed by having LHR and MAN 100 miles to the north or to the south east, so it would require a strong home market to justify a flight in addition to existing offerings elsewhere.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:32 pm

Additionally Birmingham viability it severely compromised by the multiple daily flights and excess economy capacity from Heathrow even more so than Manchester due to the ease of the motorway that passes its door .Those cheap seats passed to the consolidators gotta get fill somehow .

It’s a fact that the cost of a single daily 757 with perceived inferior soft product simply couldn’t compete .

Well what’s changed in the last 18 months other than a pull down of the very same 757s from the Atlantic in the main.

And I am not so convinced that the 737max and 321Neo models have yet found that niche quite so profitable that some Anetters in particular expected of them to over the ocean.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:46 pm

Deleted as links not as I wanted
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:21 am

Yes meant DFW Dobbo, sorry for long time to answer but work got in way
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:25 am

Yes meant DFW Dobbo, sorry for long time to answer but work got in way
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:06 pm

klm617 wrote:
A Delta 757 can also reach Detroit with ease from Manchester and while DTW may not be a major US gateway it is a major international hub for Delta.

But Manchester already has dual-aisle service to a number of airports with much better connections than Detroit. For instance if you want to go to Latin America you are better off taking a Virgin Atlantic to Atlanta and connecting there.

The newer long range single-aisle jets like the A321LR and A321XLR might permit service from Manchester to a USA destination that is of more interest as a final destination, but does not have enough traffic to support a dual-aisle jet. Detroit is one of the most troubled large cities in the USA.

An A321XLR has a nominal range of 4700 nautical miles, although practical ranges will be less than that.

Nautical Miles from MAN to airports without existing service
IAD 3098 (Washington DC)
DTW 3166 (Detroit)
ORD 3325 (Chicago)
FLL 3745 (Fort Lauderdale)
MIA 3763 (Miami)
DFW 4019 (Dallas)
SEA 4041 (Seattle)
SFO 4537
LAX 4617
HNL OVER 6000 nm

US airports by total international traffic to all destinations - existing service to/from Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal

Miami is such a huge USA gateway, obviously because of Latin American flights, but it has decent nonstops to Europe as well
Aer Lingus Dublin
Aeroflot Moscow–Sheremetyevo
Air Europa Madrid
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air Italy Milan–Malpensa
Alitalia Rome–Fiumicino
British Airways London–Heathrow
Corsair International Paris–Orly
El Al Tel Aviv
Eurowings Düsseldorf
Finnair Seasonal: Helsinki
Iberia Madrid
KLM Seasonal: Amsterdam
LOT Polish Airlines Warsaw–Chopin
Lufthansa Frankfurt Seasonal: Munich
Norwegian Air UK London–Gatwick
Royal Air Maroc Casablanca
Scandinavian Airlines Seasonal: Copenhagen, Oslo–Gardermoen, Stockholm–Arlanda
Swiss International Air Lines Zurich
TAP Air Portugal Lisbon
TUI fly Netherlands Amsterdam
Turkish Airlines Istanbul
Virgin Atlantic London–Heathrow
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:03 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
klm617 wrote:
A Delta 757 can also reach Detroit with ease from Manchester and while DTW may not be a major US gateway it is a major international hub for Delta.

But Manchester already has dual-aisle service to a number of airports with much better connections than Detroit. For instance if you want to go to Latin America you are better off taking a Virgin Atlantic to Atlanta and connecting there.

The newer long range single-aisle jets like the A321LR and A321XLR might permit service from Manchester to a USA destination that is of more interest as a final destination, but does not have enough traffic to support a dual-aisle jet. Detroit is one of the most troubled large cities in the USA.

An A321XLR has a nominal range of 4700 nautical miles, although practical ranges will be less than that.

Nautical Miles from MAN to airports without existing service
IAD 3098 (Washington DC)
DTW 3166 (Detroit)
ORD 3325 (Chicago)
FLL 3745 (Fort Lauderdale)
MIA 3763 (Miami)
DFW 4019 (Dallas)
SEA 4041 (Seattle)
SFO 4537
LAX 4617
HNL OVER 6000 nm

US airports by total international traffic to all destinations - existing service to/from Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal

Miami is such a huge USA gateway, obviously because of Latin American flights, but it has decent nonstops to Europe as well
Aer Lingus Dublin
Aeroflot Moscow–Sheremetyevo
Air Europa Madrid
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air Italy Milan–Malpensa
Alitalia Rome–Fiumicino
British Airways London–Heathrow
Corsair International Paris–Orly
El Al Tel Aviv
Eurowings Düsseldorf
Finnair Seasonal: Helsinki
Iberia Madrid
KLM Seasonal: Amsterdam
LOT Polish Airlines Warsaw–Chopin
Lufthansa Frankfurt Seasonal: Munich
Norwegian Air UK London–Gatwick
Royal Air Maroc Casablanca
Scandinavian Airlines Seasonal: Copenhagen, Oslo–Gardermoen, Stockholm–Arlanda
Swiss International Air Lines Zurich
TAP Air Portugal Lisbon
TUI fly Netherlands Amsterdam
Turkish Airlines Istanbul
Virgin Atlantic London–Heathrow


Detroit is far soupier for connections to the Western part of the USA than any other Delta hub. Also Detroit and Southern Eastern Michigan is not in a troubled state as people here on a.net would have you believe. Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department. South Eastern Michigan is on the rise and has some of the wealthiest Americans living there.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:33 pm

Having seen a report of more Turkish A330s next year, just checked their website and found they appear to be doing this:
TK1993/1994 Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday
TK1995/1996 Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:47 pm

Mullion wrote:
Yes meant DFW Dobbo, sorry for long time to answer but work got in way


I thought it might be!

No probs - work tends to get in the way of life!

I’m not so clear that DFW is likely to be in the radar as it would (realistically) only be an IAG route and I don’t think they have much interest in MAN whatsoever.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:51 pm

DobboDobbo wrote:
Mullion wrote:
Yes meant DFW Dobbo, sorry for long time to answer but work got in way


I thought it might be!

No probs - work tends to get in the way of life!

I’m not so clear that DFW is likely to be in the radar as it would (realistically) only be an IAG route and I don’t think they have much interest in MAN whatsoever.


AA launching DFW-MAN wouldn't be too surprising. Though it was recently cut from ORD and AA only serves it from PHL using a 788 (temporarily, then switching to 763), DFW offers plentiful connections not possible from PHL. Houston is the only other city that has service to MAN with SQ.

However, in my opinion, BCN/HEL would likely be launched first as DFW is prioritizing those routes with incentives (TXL as well, but not sure about that).
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:58 pm

klm617 wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
klm617 wrote:
A Delta 757 can also reach Detroit with ease from Manchester and while DTW may not be a major US gateway it is a major international hub for Delta.

But Manchester already has dual-aisle service to a number of airports with much better connections than Detroit. For instance if you want to go to Latin America you are better off taking a Virgin Atlantic to Atlanta and connecting there.

The newer long range single-aisle jets like the A321LR and A321XLR might permit service from Manchester to a USA destination that is of more interest as a final destination, but does not have enough traffic to support a dual-aisle jet. Detroit is one of the most troubled large cities in the USA.

An A321XLR has a nominal range of 4700 nautical miles, although practical ranges will be less than that.

Nautical Miles from MAN to airports without existing service
IAD 3098 (Washington DC)
DTW 3166 (Detroit)
ORD 3325 (Chicago)
FLL 3745 (Fort Lauderdale)
MIA 3763 (Miami)
DFW 4019 (Dallas)
SEA 4041 (Seattle)
SFO 4537
LAX 4617
HNL OVER 6000 nm

US airports by total international traffic to all destinations - existing service to/from Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal

Miami is such a huge USA gateway, obviously because of Latin American flights, but it has decent nonstops to Europe as well
Aer Lingus Dublin
Aeroflot Moscow–Sheremetyevo
Air Europa Madrid
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air Italy Milan–Malpensa
Alitalia Rome–Fiumicino
British Airways London–Heathrow
Corsair International Paris–Orly
El Al Tel Aviv
Eurowings Düsseldorf
Finnair Seasonal: Helsinki
Iberia Madrid
KLM Seasonal: Amsterdam
LOT Polish Airlines Warsaw–Chopin
Lufthansa Frankfurt Seasonal: Munich
Norwegian Air UK London–Gatwick
Royal Air Maroc Casablanca
Scandinavian Airlines Seasonal: Copenhagen, Oslo–Gardermoen, Stockholm–Arlanda
Swiss International Air Lines Zurich
TAP Air Portugal Lisbon
TUI fly Netherlands Amsterdam
Turkish Airlines Istanbul
Virgin Atlantic London–Heathrow


Detroit is far soupier for connections to the Western part of the USA than any other Delta hub. Also Detroit and Southern Eastern Michigan is not in a troubled state as people here on a.net would have you believe. Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department. South Eastern Michigan is on the rise and has some of the wealthiest Americans living there.


Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department.


I mean... https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-citi ... o_il/crime

Crime rate (1-100, low crime to high crime)

Detroit
Violent Crime: 94.3
Property Crime: 66.7

Chicago:
Violent Crime: 49.9
Property Crime: 46.3

So violent crime is practically doubled in Detroit than Chicago. Obviously it depends on the neighborhood, but these are the overall stats.

And I mean, sure, Detroit is the largest SkyTeam hub without MAN service, though it seems like VS/DL prefer to funnel passengers through JFK/ATL
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:19 pm

Ishrion wrote:
klm617 wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
But Manchester already has dual-aisle service to a number of airports with much better connections than Detroit. For instance if you want to go to Latin America you are better off taking a Virgin Atlantic to Atlanta and connecting there.

The newer long range single-aisle jets like the A321LR and A321XLR might permit service from Manchester to a USA destination that is of more interest as a final destination, but does not have enough traffic to support a dual-aisle jet. Detroit is one of the most troubled large cities in the USA.

An A321XLR has a nominal range of 4700 nautical miles, although practical ranges will be less than that.

Nautical Miles from MAN to airports without existing service
IAD 3098 (Washington DC)
DTW 3166 (Detroit)
ORD 3325 (Chicago)
FLL 3745 (Fort Lauderdale)
MIA 3763 (Miami)
DFW 4019 (Dallas)
SEA 4041 (Seattle)
SFO 4537
LAX 4617
HNL OVER 6000 nm

US airports by total international traffic to all destinations - existing service to/from Manchester
JFK 33,090,297 Virgin Atlantic
LAX 25,703,543 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal
MIA 20,262,416
SFO 13,838,457
EWR 13,586,434 United
ORD 13,317,224
ATL 12,226,580 Virgin Atlantic
IAH 10,350,838 Singapore
FLL 8,308,311
DFW 8,281,727
IAD 7,722,414
BOS 7,087,235 Delta (begins 21 May 2020)
MCO 6,202,505 Virgin Atlantic
HNL 5,322,999
SEA 5,188,366
DTW 3,676,969 Delta First Choice for new service to Manchester?
PHL 3,675,637 American
LAS 3,589,934 Virgin Atlantic: Seasonal

Miami is such a huge USA gateway, obviously because of Latin American flights, but it has decent nonstops to Europe as well
Aer Lingus Dublin
Aeroflot Moscow–Sheremetyevo
Air Europa Madrid
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air Italy Milan–Malpensa
Alitalia Rome–Fiumicino
British Airways London–Heathrow
Corsair International Paris–Orly
El Al Tel Aviv
Eurowings Düsseldorf
Finnair Seasonal: Helsinki
Iberia Madrid
KLM Seasonal: Amsterdam
LOT Polish Airlines Warsaw–Chopin
Lufthansa Frankfurt Seasonal: Munich
Norwegian Air UK London–Gatwick
Royal Air Maroc Casablanca
Scandinavian Airlines Seasonal: Copenhagen, Oslo–Gardermoen, Stockholm–Arlanda
Swiss International Air Lines Zurich
TAP Air Portugal Lisbon
TUI fly Netherlands Amsterdam
Turkish Airlines Istanbul
Virgin Atlantic London–Heathrow


Detroit is far soupier for connections to the Western part of the USA than any other Delta hub. Also Detroit and Southern Eastern Michigan is not in a troubled state as people here on a.net would have you believe. Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department. South Eastern Michigan is on the rise and has some of the wealthiest Americans living there.


Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department.


I mean... https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-citi ... o_il/crime

Crime rate (1-100, low crime to high crime)

Detroit
Violent Crime: 94.3
Property Crime: 66.7

Chicago:
Violent Crime: 49.9
Property Crime: 46.3

So violent crime is practically doubled in Detroit than Chicago. Obviously it depends on the neighborhood, but these are the overall stats.

And I mean, sure, Detroit is the largest SkyTeam hub without MAN service, though it seems like VS/DL prefer to funnel passengers through JFK/ATL


But with that set up MAN customers have no easy access to the western part of the USA. For instance if I'm flying from OMA, IND, PDX, DEN, DSM or MCI my only option is an out of the way connection in ATL or a double connect. DTW would fill that void nicely.
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:29 pm

klm617 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
klm617 wrote:

Detroit is far soupier for connections to the Western part of the USA than any other Delta hub. Also Detroit and Southern Eastern Michigan is not in a troubled state as people here on a.net would have you believe. Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department. South Eastern Michigan is on the rise and has some of the wealthiest Americans living there.


Crime wise Chicago is far worse in that department.


I mean... https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-citi ... o_il/crime

Crime rate (1-100, low crime to high crime)

Detroit
Violent Crime: 94.3
Property Crime: 66.7

Chicago:
Violent Crime: 49.9
Property Crime: 46.3

So violent crime is practically doubled in Detroit than Chicago. Obviously it depends on the neighborhood, but these are the overall stats.

And I mean, sure, Detroit is the largest SkyTeam hub without MAN service, though it seems like VS/DL prefer to funnel passengers through JFK/ATL


But with that set up MAN customers have no easy access to the western part of the USA. For instance if I'm flying from OMA, IND, PDX, DEN, DSM or MCI my only option is an out of the way connection in ATL or a double connect. DTW would fill that void nicely.


MAN-ATL-PDX: 6,271 mi
MAN-DTW-PDX: 5,596 mi

MAN-ATL-DEN: 5,298 mi
MAN-DTW-DEN: 4,766 mi

MAN-ATL-MCI: 4,791 mi
MAN-DTW-MCI: 4,272 mi

MAN-BOS-IND: 3,972 mi
MAN-DTW-IND: 3,874 mi

The differences here aren't as drastic as you'd think. Sure, it'll save travelers some time, but this is how Delta fuels the largest airline hub in the world.
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:09 am

Scottiedog wrote:
OAN 123/2019 – RE-DESIGNATION OF TAXIWAYS AND HOLDING POSITIONS.

OAN REF:‐ 123/2019 DATE OF ISSUE:‐ 13/11/19 EFFECTIVE DATE:‐ 04/12/19 EXPIRY DATE:‐ 07/12/19

1.0 SUMMARY

1.1 As part of the MAN‐TP development there will be changes to the naming of some taxiways and associated intermediate and runway holding points. The changes will take place overnight on Wednesday 4th into the morning of Thursday 5th December. The changes are timed to be coincident and effective with the worldwide amendment of aeronautical charts (AIRAC 13/2019).

2.0 PROGRAMME

2.1 The changes will commence at 21:00L on the night of Wednesday 4th, and be completed by 05:30L on the morning of Thursday 5th December 2019.

2.2 In the event of adverse weather or other unforeseen circumstances preventing work being completed on the night of Wednesday 4th, work will take place during designated contingency nights of Thursday 5th and/or Friday 6th December.

3.0 SCOPE & LOCATION OF WORKS

3.1 The scope of work will involve the changing of airfield signage and some painted ground markings to reflect new taxiway and associated holding point designations.

3.2 The schedule of taxiway and holding point re‐designations is summarised in the tables overleaf and depicted on the map attached to this document.



4.0 OPERATIONAL IMPLICATIONS

4.1 With effect from Thursday 5th December 2019, the new taxiway and holding point designations will be in use on aeronautical charts and within textual data (AIRAC 13/2019) and also on local airfield maps issued by MAG.

4.1.1 From the effective date all relevant airfield signage and painted ground markings will have been changed and all communications from Air Traffic Control, flight crews, Airport Fire Service, Airfield Operations and other airfield drivers must use the new designations. 4.2 Aircraft Pushback Procedures

4.2.1 A new Manchester Airport Aircraft Pushback Procedures document will be issued in advance of the taxiway and holding point re‐designations and will be effective from Thursday 5th December 2019.

5.0 LOW VISIBILITY OPERATIONS (LVO)

5.1 The work taking place on the night of Wednesday 4th December will have no impact on the airport’s ability to operate during periods of low visibility.

Image


Got a PDF of this please?
 
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Re: Manchester (UK) Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:46 pm

Ishrion wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:



I mean... https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-citi ... o_il/crime

Crime rate (1-100, low crime to high crime)

Detroit
Violent Crime: 94.3
Property Crime: 66.7

Chicago:
Violent Crime: 49.9
Property Crime: 46.3

So violent crime is practically doubled in Detroit than Chicago. Obviously it depends on the neighborhood, but these are the overall stats.

And I mean, sure, Detroit is the largest SkyTeam hub without MAN service, though it seems like VS/DL prefer to funnel passengers through JFK/ATL


But with that set up MAN customers have no easy access to the western part of the USA. For instance if I'm flying from OMA, IND, PDX, DEN, DSM or MCI my only option is an out of the way connection in ATL or a double connect. DTW would fill that void nicely.


MAN-ATL-PDX: 6,271 mi
MAN-DTW-PDX: 5,596 mi

MAN-ATL-DEN: 5,298 mi
MAN-DTW-DEN: 4,766 mi

MAN-ATL-MCI: 4,791 mi
MAN-DTW-MCI: 4,272 mi

MAN-BOS-IND: 3,972 mi
MAN-DTW-IND: 3,874 mi

The differences here aren't as drastic as you'd think. Sure, it'll save travelers some time, but this is how Delta fuels the largest airline hub in the world.


First of all 500 miles is a lot when you consider that's an hour plus flying time in each direction. That may not seem like a lot to you but why would I want to add an hour flying time each way plus add to that a connection in that madhouse hub called ATL when I could have a stress free connection at an airport where I am not trying to beat the clock to make my onward connection plus add 2 hours to my flight time.
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