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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:04 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
NK has been using gate 11 exclusively for the past couple of weeks and CUTE 5. They were using CUTE 6 regularly but haven't the last couple of weeks.


Gates 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 11 are all shared use. Gates 7 and 12 are both leased, but have shared use equipment on them.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:48 am

So who's leasing the gates?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:49 am

Delta for 7 and JetBlue for 12?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:06 pm

Gate 12 is finally open so now all new gates as a part of the eastern terminal extension is complete!

Wacko55 wrote:
Delta for 7 and JetBlue for 12?


This is what it is as I understand it. rajincajun01 says AA is trading 32 for 28 which I incorporated but AA is still using 32 right now and I don't see anyone on 28. Also not sure who is on 13.

01) CUTE INT
02) CUTE INT
03) CUTE INT
04) CUTE INT
05) CUTE INT
06) CUTE INT
07) Delta
08) Delta
09) Delta
10) Delta
11) CUTE
12) JetBlue
13) ?
14) Southwest
15) Southwest
16) Southwest
17) Southwest
18) Southwest
19) Southwest
20) Southwest
21) Southwest
22) CUTE
23) American
24) American
25) United
26) American
27) United
28) American
29) United
30) American
31) United
32) ?
33) United
34) CUTE
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:47 pm

freerover wrote:
Gate 12 is finally open so now all new gates as a part of the eastern terminal extension is complete!

Wacko55 wrote:
Delta for 7 and JetBlue for 12?


This is what it is as I understand it. rajincajun01 says AA is trading 32 for 28 which I incorporated but AA is still using 32 right now and I don't see anyone on 28. Also not sure who is on 13.

01) CUTE INT
02) CUTE INT
03) CUTE INT
04) CUTE INT
05) CUTE INT
06) CUTE INT
07) Delta
08) Delta
09) Delta
10) Delta
11) CUTE
12) JetBlue
13) ?
14) Southwest
15) Southwest
16) Southwest
17) Southwest
18) Southwest
19) Southwest
20) Southwest
21) Southwest
22) CUTE
23) American
24) American
25) United
26) American
27) United
28) American
29) United
30) American
31) United
32) ?
33) United
34) CUTE

AA will take over 28 once B6 moves. AS will be the primary user of 32 and 34 in the afternoons with occasional use by AC and others.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:05 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
freerover wrote:
Gate 12 is finally open so now all new gates as a part of the eastern terminal extension is complete!

Wacko55 wrote:
Delta for 7 and JetBlue for 12?


This is what it is as I understand it. rajincajun01 says AA is trading 32 for 28 which I incorporated but AA is still using 32 right now and I don't see anyone on 28. Also not sure who is on 13.

01) CUTE INT
02) CUTE INT
03) CUTE INT
04) CUTE INT
05) CUTE INT
06) CUTE INT
07) Delta
08) Delta
09) Delta
10) Delta
11) CUTE
12) JetBlue
13) ?
14) Southwest
15) Southwest
16) Southwest
17) Southwest
18) Southwest
19) Southwest
20) Southwest
21) Southwest
22) CUTE
23) American
24) American
25) United
26) American
27) United
28) American
29) United
30) American
31) United
32) ?
33) United
34) CUTE

AA will take over 28 once B6 moves. AS will be the primary user of 32 and 34 in the afternoons with occasional use by AC and others.


JetBlue already moved to 12.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:03 pm

13 is a hardstand and not used. There are 33 gates at the BJT and 3 hardstand gates at the ST for a total of 36. Hard to imagine that the airport with exceed 17m passengers this year with only 36 gates.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:26 pm

freerover,

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:28 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
13 is a hardstand and not used. There are 33 gates at the BJT and 3 hardstand gates at the ST for a total of 36. Hard to imagine that the airport with exceed 17m passengers this year with only 36 gates.


Why have it if it isn't used?

Also, does BJ have too many gates for its size? I know the number of gates at BJ is going to drop to 29 gates after the next expansion and I don't think they need to cut 4 gates to make room for the bridge but I could be wrong.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:37 pm

13 is where the old gate 1 was located. It was designed for commuter prop ops.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:27 am

freerover wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
13 is a hardstand and not used. There are 33 gates at the BJT and 3 hardstand gates at the ST for a total of 36. Hard to imagine that the airport with exceed 17m passengers this year with only 36 gates.


Why have it if it isn't used?

Also, does BJ have too many gates for its size? I know the number of gates at BJ is going to drop to 29 gates after the next expansion and I don't think they need to cut 4 gates to make room for the bridge but I could be wrong.


Gate 13 was last used regularly when Texas Sky was flying to DFW and VCT. There was also a period when Frontier was ground loading, and Express Jet did their branded flying from that gate. It really only works for busing ops, but the hold room is only large enough for 50-70 seat RJ.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:45 am

llintner wrote:
freerover wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
13 is a hardstand and not used. There are 33 gates at the BJT and 3 hardstand gates at the ST for a total of 36. Hard to imagine that the airport with exceed 17m passengers this year with only 36 gates.


Why have it if it isn't used?

Also, does BJ have too many gates for its size? I know the number of gates at BJ is going to drop to 29 gates after the next expansion and I don't think they need to cut 4 gates to make room for the bridge but I could be wrong.


Gate 13 was last used regularly when Texas Sky was flying to DFW and VCT. There was also a period when Frontier was ground loading, and Express Jet did their branded flying from that gate. It really only works for busing ops, but the hold room is only large enough for 50-70 seat RJ.

So if we need some remote stands for growth we can have our very own 35X like DCA?
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:24 am

masonh2479 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Didn’t BA use the 7,000 ft runway for MSY-LHR once? I feel like I remember seeing that somewhere...

It has used the small runway to land and take off a few times, there are a couple videos of this on YouTube.


(CABIN-VIEW) VIDEO HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxW9V0g-vY


EXTERIOR VIDEO (DIFFERENT TAKEOFF) HERE:
https://www.facebook.com/analogspeedbir ... 409241712/




Western727 wrote:
True, though I suspect that was because of favorable winds. MSY's longer (and perpendicular) rwy, 11/29, is just over 10,000' long, so I would guess that the winds were strong and at or near the shorter rwy's direction on these days.

Winds weren't strong at all, but favorable direction:
from the south at 6kt, in that cabin-view video above.

BA uses 02/20 all the time, despite the other runway being way longer.
7000ft is more than enough for a 788 flying only 9hrs, departing at night from below sea level.

Same for 763ER. RV did some MSY-ARN charters, and departed Rwy02 for a nonstop across the pond, full of pax, in the heat of the day in June.

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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:06 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
masonh2479 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Didn’t BA use the 7,000 ft runway for MSY-LHR once? I feel like I remember seeing that somewhere...

It has used the small runway to land and take off a few times, there are a couple videos of this on YouTube.


(CABIN-VIEW) VIDEO HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxW9V0g-vY


EXTERIOR VIDEO (DIFFERENT TAKEOFF) HERE:
https://www.facebook.com/analogspeedbir ... 409241712/




Western727 wrote:
True, though I suspect that was because of favorable winds. MSY's longer (and perpendicular) rwy, 11/29, is just over 10,000' long, so I would guess that the winds were strong and at or near the shorter rwy's direction on these days.

Winds weren't strong at all, but favorable direction:
from the south at 6kt, in that cabin-view video above.

BA uses 02/20 all the time, despite the other runway being way longer.
7000ft is more than enough for a 788 flying only 9hrs, departing at night from below sea level.

Same for 763ER. RV did some MSY-ARN charters, and departed Rwy02 for a nonstop across the pond, full of pax, in the heat of the day in June.

Image


Intriguing, especially the RV 763ER "in the heat of the day in June". I had no idea about the ARN charters. Thank you, LAX772LR, for taking the time to elaborate with the links and photo.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:48 am

Western727 wrote:
Intriguing, especially the RV 763ER "in the heat of the day in June". I had no idea about the ARN charters. Thank you, LAX772LR, for taking the time to elaborate with the links and photo.

No prob.

I too was borderline shocked by a 763ER choosing to go transatlantic off the short runway, with temps in the high 80Fs, and a much longer runway available. Especially RV, whose 767s are super-dense (279 seats, more than UA's 4class 772ERs).

But sure enough, it rocketed off with no problem, and was wheels-up with well over a third of the runway left to go.
I would've loved to be a fly in the cockpit, when they were running those numbers pre-flight. ;)

Here's a pic that gives you comparative idea, though this bird departed in the opposite direction of the arrow:

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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:08 pm

Prob no cargo on that 763....
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:28 pm

Tomorrow’s ATX: What Austin-Bergstrom International Airport will look like in 2040

https://www.kvue.com/article/money/econ ... f9eefa6fbe
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:38 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
Tomorrow’s ATX: What Austin-Bergstrom International Airport will look like in 2040

https://www.kvue.com/article/money/econ ... f9eefa6fbe


"Planners are still trying to decide how to connect the current concourse to the new one. Some options include a skybridge or an underground tunnel." Interesting, seems like a tunnel would be the more expensive option but would make it easier for planes to maneuver.

I hope the South Terminal is able to remain in operation until the new terminal is open because their isn't capacity to bring those flights to Barbara Jordan, especially in a few years.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:22 pm

It will either be a skybridge like DIA or a tunnel like DTW. A tunnel is optimal because you won't lose gate space on both ends like you would with a bridge. The new airport director is very aggressive and prior to her arrival a bridge was what most thought would happen. However now when asked she says both are being considered which leads me to believe she wants a tunnel.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:36 pm

 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:45 pm

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The new terminal building and new center concourse would open by 2025. The extension of the center concourse would start in 2030 and finish in 2032.

Also, here is a little background about the tunnel/bridge:
 First, ABIA has experienced significant ground water issues with the recent construction of the new de-icing pond, which is not far from where the tunnel would need to be constructed. Ground water issues can pose significant costs, not only with the initial construction of a tunnel, but also with long-term maintenance. This also poses significant risks to the reliability of any automated system conveying passengers and baggage between the New North Terminal and Midfield Concourse.
 Secondly, the passenger experience of a bridge, with daylight and views, is seen as more desirable than a tunnel, and helps ABIA maintain positive impressions with the travelling public.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:17 pm

freerover wrote:
dgtx42 wrote:


The new terminal building and new center concourse would open by 2025. The extension of the center concourse would start in 2030 and finish in 2032.

Also, here is a little background about the tunnel/bridge:
 First, ABIA has experienced significant ground water issues with the recent construction of the new de-icing pond, which is not far from where the tunnel would need to be constructed. Ground water issues can pose significant costs, not only with the initial construction of a tunnel, but also with long-term maintenance. This also poses significant risks to the reliability of any automated system conveying passengers and baggage between the New North Terminal and Midfield Concourse.
 Secondly, the passenger experience of a bridge, with daylight and views, is seen as more desirable than a tunnel, and helps ABIA maintain positive impressions with the travelling public.


Not mention cost and how quickly they can build a bridge vs a tunnel, also seems every time there is a tunnel project in the Austin area it leads to delays because of some species they might find, airport can't afford those delays.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:35 pm

malev2012 wrote:
freerover wrote:
dgtx42 wrote:


The new terminal building and new center concourse would open by 2025. The extension of the center concourse would start in 2030 and finish in 2032.

Also, here is a little background about the tunnel/bridge:
 First, ABIA has experienced significant ground water issues with the recent construction of the new de-icing pond, which is not far from where the tunnel would need to be constructed. Ground water issues can pose significant costs, not only with the initial construction of a tunnel, but also with long-term maintenance. This also poses significant risks to the reliability of any automated system conveying passengers and baggage between the New North Terminal and Midfield Concourse.
 Secondly, the passenger experience of a bridge, with daylight and views, is seen as more desirable than a tunnel, and helps ABIA maintain positive impressions with the travelling public.


Not mention cost and how quickly they can build a bridge vs a tunnel, also seems every time there is a tunnel project in the Austin area it leads to delays because of some species they might find, airport can't afford those delays.


That's a good point. The bridge isn't scheduled to start construction until 1.5 years after the new concourse so it's possible they could make up time by starting a tunnel when they start everything else but you're right about the unknowns and delays when it comes to tunneling with such a high water table.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:12 pm

The decision makers will have to weigh losing 2-3 gates on each end if they go with the bridge option. It will boil down to what it costs to replace those gates versus the cost of a tunnel. If it's more economically viable to build/add the lost gate space than a bridge it will be.

You lost me about the bridge not being constructed until after the new concourse. Do you mean they will both be completed at the same time with different construction start dates?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:44 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
Do you mean they will both be completed at the same time with different construction start dates?



Yes.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:16 pm

Was there any mention of what might be used until then? Daydreaming of busses or the Dulles people movers...
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:52 pm

dfwneedsqf wrote:
Was there any mention of what might be used until then? Daydreaming of busses or the Dulles people movers...


What do you mean?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:45 pm

Article in the ABJ about top unserved international destinations from Austin. OAG crunched ABIA booking numbers from 9/2018 thru 8/2019 and these are the top 10 unserved long-haul routes greater than 4000 nautical miles that currently don't have nonstop service from ABIA.

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... s_headline

Destination and estimated one-way bookings:

#10 Sao Paulo 3,777
#9 Taipei 3,977
#8 Tel Aviv 3,994
#7 Rome 4,181
#6 Dublin 4,716
#5 Beijing 4,831
#4 Shanghai 4,921
#3 Paris 12,610 (begins May 2020)
#2 Seoul 12,981
#1 Tokyo 13,220

From the article...

A nonstop route to Asia is certainly on the minds of the Austin business community as the city's growth becomes more entwined with international capital and technology. "Our best information is that ... 2021 might be a good year to expect our first nonstop transpacific flight," Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Mike Rollins said this month.

2021 being cited by the GACC several times when discussing future TPAC service.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:18 pm

freerover wrote:
dfwneedsqf wrote:
Was there any mention of what might be used until then? Daydreaming of busses or the Dulles people movers...


What do you mean?


If they complete the other concourse before they start construction on the bridge, could they use a transit option instead?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:44 pm

dfwneedsqf wrote:
freerover wrote:
dfwneedsqf wrote:
Was there any mention of what might be used until then? Daydreaming of busses or the Dulles people movers...


What do you mean?


If they complete the other concourse before they start construction on the bridge, could they use a transit option instead?


I think the idea is that they’ll be completed at the same time; they just don’t need to begin construction at the same time in order for that to happen.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:47 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
Article in the ABJ about top unserved international destinations from Austin. OAG crunched ABIA booking numbers from 9/2018 thru 8/2019 and these are the top 10 unserved long-haul routes greater than 4000 nautical miles that currently don't have nonstop service from ABIA.

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news ... s_headline

Destination and estimated one-way bookings:

#10 Sao Paulo 3,777
#9 Taipei 3,977
#8 Tel Aviv 3,994
#7 Rome 4,181
#6 Dublin 4,716
#5 Beijing 4,831
#4 Shanghai 4,921
#3 Paris 12,610 (begins May 2020)
#2 Seoul 12,981
#1 Tokyo 13,220

From the article...

A nonstop route to Asia is certainly on the minds of the Austin business community as the city's growth becomes more entwined with international capital and technology. "Our best information is that ... 2021 might be a good year to expect our first nonstop transpacific flight," Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Mike Rollins said this month.

2021 being cited by the GACC several times when discussing future TPAC service.

Those seem rather low if that's one way bookings over the entire year, seems TPAC flights might be a while
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:32 am

khowaga wrote:
dfwneedsqf wrote:
freerover wrote:

What do you mean?


If they complete the other concourse before they start construction on the bridge, could they use a transit option instead?


I think the idea is that they’ll be completed at the same time; they just don’t need to begin construction at the same time in order for that to happen.


This.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:53 pm

malev2012 wrote:
http://austintexas.gov/news/october-2019-passenger-cargo-traffic-austin-bergstrom


For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:12 am

llintner wrote:
malev2012 wrote:
http://austintexas.gov/news/october-2019-passenger-cargo-traffic-austin-bergstrom


For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.



Pretty nuts. Do you know when each runway is going to shut down next year for upgrades and renumbering?
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:44 am

freerover wrote:
llintner wrote:
malev2012 wrote:
http://austintexas.gov/news/october-2019-passenger-cargo-traffic-austin-bergstrom


For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.



Pretty nuts. Do you know when each runway is going to shut down next year for upgrades and renumbering?


The original goal was to swap runways on the June, chart publication date. That may slip. First project meeting is the week after next.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:14 pm

llintner wrote:
freerover wrote:
llintner wrote:

For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.



Pretty nuts. Do you know when each runway is going to shut down next year for upgrades and renumbering?


The original goal was to swap runways on the June, chart publication date. That may slip. First project meeting is the week after next.


Good to know, thank you.

9.5% overall pax traffic increase over October 2018. That's pretty amazing. At the same time, cargo was down 10.9%. Can someone please enlighten me? I can't seem to reconcile the 9.5% pax increase with the 10.9% cargo decline, and the increase in air services (mail and belly freight) doesn't seem to close the gap either. TIA.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:33 pm

It's still considerably cheaper to truck cargo to/from DFW, IAH and SAT to AUS. AUS never has done well when it comes to air cargo.

DL continues it's steady growth by adding frequency and upgauging. For October '19 DL passengers totaled 212,138, up 13.2% compared to October '18. For January – October '19 DL passengers totaled 1,969,517, up 11.7 % compared to January – October '18. This year DL is leading the US3 and WN at AUS for growth. Wonder if they will ever add any new destinations?
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:33 pm

freerover wrote:
llintner wrote:
malev2012 wrote:
http://austintexas.gov/news/october-2019-passenger-cargo-traffic-austin-bergstrom


For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.



Pretty nuts. Do you know when each runway is going to shut down next year for upgrades and renumbering?


Are we going to 18/36 L&R?
 
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:54 pm

WN732 wrote:
freerover wrote:
llintner wrote:

For a rolling twelve month period, the airport has now exceeded 17 million passengers.



Pretty nuts. Do you know when each runway is going to shut down next year for upgrades and renumbering?


Are we going to 18/36 L&R?


Yep. They are also adjusting the grooving to increase friction, adding lights at kilo and lima, and other electrical improvements.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:41 pm

Wacko55 wrote:
It's still considerably cheaper to truck cargo to/from DFW, IAH and SAT to AUS. AUS never has done well when it comes to air cargo.

DL continues it's steady growth by adding frequency and upgauging. For October '19 DL passengers totaled 212,138, up 13.2% compared to October '18. For January – October '19 DL passengers totaled 1,969,517, up 11.7 % compared to January – October '18. This year DL is leading the US3 and WN at AUS for growth. Wonder if they will ever add any new destinations?


Thanks for the air cargo bit.

DL: hopefully they will add new destinations sometime soon.
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:08 pm

Western727 wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
It's still considerably cheaper to truck cargo to/from DFW, IAH and SAT to AUS. AUS never has done well when it comes to air cargo.

DL continues it's steady growth by adding frequency and upgauging. For October '19 DL passengers totaled 212,138, up 13.2% compared to October '18. For January – October '19 DL passengers totaled 1,969,517, up 11.7 % compared to January – October '18. This year DL is leading the US3 and WN at AUS for growth. Wonder if they will ever add any new destinations?


Thanks for the air cargo bit.

DL: hopefully they will add new destinations sometime soon.


Any idea of what the possible adds would be? MCO?
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:23 pm

malev2012 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
Wacko55 wrote:
It's still considerably cheaper to truck cargo to/from DFW, IAH and SAT to AUS. AUS never has done well when it comes to air cargo.

DL continues it's steady growth by adding frequency and upgauging. For October '19 DL passengers totaled 212,138, up 13.2% compared to October '18. For January – October '19 DL passengers totaled 1,969,517, up 11.7 % compared to January – October '18. This year DL is leading the US3 and WN at AUS for growth. Wonder if they will ever add any new destinations?


Thanks for the air cargo bit.

DL: hopefully they will add new destinations sometime soon.


Any idea of what the possible adds would be? MCO?


MCO is a good one, I'd love to see DCA. MAYBE and I mean maybe, PDX.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:40 am

DCA is not possible, it's beyond perimeter. MCO is a bloodbath right now. It'd be a disaster.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:49 am

Well to be fair spirit jumped into that blood bath not long ago :) . Although LCCs tend to do better at leisure destinations like MCO and LAS.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:57 am

tphuang wrote:
DCA is not possible, it's beyond perimeter. MCO is a bloodbath right now. It'd be a disaster.


In that regard, any addition would be a disaster since there is hardly a city left in the US that doesn't have nonstop service from Austin. Worse, many of our nonstops are covered by more than 1 carrier. If you want to have a sizeable focus city, then you need to prepare to fight for it. Demand from Austin is only going to increase from here.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:14 pm

WN732 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
DCA is not possible, it's beyond perimeter. MCO is a bloodbath right now. It'd be a disaster.


In that regard, any addition would be a disaster since there is hardly a city left in the US that doesn't have nonstop service from Austin. Worse, many of our nonstops are covered by more than 1 carrier. If you want to have a sizeable focus city, then you need to prepare to fight for it. Demand from Austin is only going to increase from here.

There are very few markets out of AUS that is as low yielding as MCO right now.
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:29 pm

for DL, SJC, PDX, LGA, and TPA (apparently). I would wait a while though...
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:29 pm

And upgrading all current mainline flights to a A321
 
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Re: Austin Texas Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:53 pm

KAUSavgeek wrote:
for DL, SJC, PDX, LGA, and TPA (apparently). I would wait a while though...


WN adding Saturday-only AUS-LGA nonstop service is a possibility since the LGA perimeter rule allows Saturday-only nonstop flights out of LGA to beyond-perimeter domestic destinations. WN might be able to make Saturday-only AUS-LGA nonstop service work due to WN no longer serving EWR.

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