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Re: China Southern Network/Fleet/Going Global Discussion - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:05 pm

According to the latest list of CAAC route applications today Mar 13th, CAAC is applying for the following intercontinental longhaul routes
PKX-PAR, 7x weekly, starting from Jan 2020
PKX-MOW, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
PKX-LED, 3x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-PAR, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-CGO-LON, 3x weekly, June 2019
PVG-LON, 7x weekly, Mar 2020

CZ has also filed 4 applications for international shorthauls to neighboring South Korea:
PKX-Busan/Cheongju/Gwangju/Daegu

Impressed

Next, how many of these applications, esp the longhauls, would get approved, as the other two big Chinese carriers CA/MU have also proposed some of the routes?
 
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According to the latest list of CAAC route applications today Mar 13th, CZ is applying for the following intercontinental longhaul routes

PKX-PAR, 7x weekly, starting from Jan 2020
PKX-MOW, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
PKX-LED, 3x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-PAR, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-CGO-LON, 3x weekly, June 2019
PVG-LON, 7x weekly, Mar 2020


CZ has also filed 4 applications for international shorthauls to neighboring South Korea:

PKX-Busan/Cheongju/Gwangju/Daegu

Impressed

Worthy of further note how many of the above applications would get approved
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:29 pm

Zoedyn wrote:
According to the latest list of CAAC route applications today Mar 13th, CZ is applying for the following intercontinental longhaul routes

PKX-PAR, 7x weekly, starting from Jan 2020
PKX-MOW, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
PKX-LED, 3x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-PAR, 7x weekly, Mar 2020
CAN-CGO-LON, 3x weekly, June 2019
PVG-LON, 7x weekly, Mar 2020


CZ has also filed 4 applications for international shorthauls to neighboring South Korea:

PKX-Busan/Cheongju/Gwangju/Daegu

Impressed

Worthy of further note how many of the above applications would get approved


Is this replacing the previous applications for CGO-LON (3x weekly April 2019) and PVG-LON (3x weekly October 2019)?
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:49 pm

SeanM1997, I think you are right in saying so, substantially speaking

But nominally, CAN-CGO-LON is a different route from CGO-LON, hence the need for a new application, even though CZ has already secured CAAC approval for CGO-LON. That essentially means CZ is giving up CGO-LON in favor of a tag with CAN

For PVG-LON, that is just a slight revision with the previous application, same with that of MU/CA which have increased their proposed weekly frequencies from 3 to 7 too this time

Also another applicant Shanghai Airlines has filed its 7x weekly LON service from PVG

So, PVG-LON has apparently become the most sought-after longhaul for Chinese carriers with intense competition

Intriguing to know which carrier(s) will get the coveted route authority here
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:03 pm

Zoedyn wrote:
SeanM1997, I think you are right in saying so, substantially speaking

But nominally, CAN-CGO-LON is a different route from CGO-LON, hence the need for a new application, even though CZ has already secured CAAC approval for CGO-LON. That essentially means CZ is giving up CGO-LON in favor of a tag with CAN

For PVG-LON, that is just a slight revision with the previous application, same with that of MU/CA which have increased their proposed weekly frequencies from 3 to 7 too this time

Also another applicant Shanghai Airlines has filed its 3x LON service from PVG

So, PVG-LON has apparently become the most sought-after longhaul for Chinese carriers with intense competition

Intriguing to know which carrier(s) will get the coveted route authority here


When does Shanghai Airlines' application bid to start? The pdf isn't loading if you could repost a link please?
 
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When does Shanghai Airlines' application bid to start? The pdf isn't loading if you could repost a link please?


http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/2 ... 745359.pdf

CAAC released the renewed list of route applications just this evening Mar 13 (BJT)

FM is clearly there as a newly added bidder for PVG-LON

The chart below also shows MU has proposed 7x weekly KMG-LON from this Oct

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You could read Chinese?
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Zoedyn wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:

When does Shanghai Airlines' application bid to start? The pdf isn't loading if you could repost a link please?


http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/2 ... 745359.pdf

CAAC released the renewed list of route applications just this evening Mar 13 (BJT)

FM is clearly there as a newly added bidder for PVG-LON

The page also shows MU has proposed 7x weekly KMG-LON from this Oct

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You could read Chinese?


I don't read Chinese - I usually use Google translate :lol: :lol:
 
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Any plans for CZ to increase frequencies on CAN-YVR-MEX?
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Any plans for CZ to increase frequencies on CAN-YVR-MEX?


Still capped in terms of weekly frequencies to China and Canada. Maximum is around 200 iirc (which includes airlines in both China and Canada). Not to mention that CZ is cutting down on a few frequencies from YVR-MEX as well.
 
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Any plans for CZ to increase frequencies on CAN-YVR-MEX?


Unfortunately, according to Routesonline, they are to be cut to 2wk starting this summer.
By cutting flights in popular seasons, I smell ceasing MEX entirely. After all they can’t sell tickets between YVR and MEX and such a tag just seems unnecessary if they can codeshare AA’s flights to lots of Mexican cities.
Also, skyteam quitting results in worse relationship with AM, definitely not wanted for MEX to thrive.
 
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Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:34 pm

China Southern to launch Guangzhou - Zhengzhou - London Heathrow from 25 June 2019 with 2 weekly flights:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 06432?s=19
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:30 am

For now, at least two of these routes have been announced (bolded ones):
Zoedyn wrote:
Routes already determined to open:

CAN-TLV/HEL/MAD
BJS-IKA
SZX-FCO
URC-VIE
WUH-IST/NYC


I couldn't help but notice that WUH-IST wasn't mentioned here either, probably meaning that CZ doesn't want to mention routes that aren't yet confirmed. Thus, I have still little faith to see other routes being added.
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QuawerAir wrote:
For now, at least two of these routes have been announced (bolded ones):
Zoedyn wrote:
Routes already determined to open:

CAN-TLV/HEL/MAD
BJS-IKA
SZX-FCO
URC-VIE
WUH-IST/NYC


I couldn't help but notice that WUH-IST wasn't mentioned here either, probably meaning that CZ doesn't want to mention routes that aren't yet confirmed. Thus, I have still little faith to see other routes being added.


I believed they opened bookings for CAN-TLV but cut it soon after. Might be wrong though.
 
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Has China Southern put an official bid in for London - Beijing route?
 
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Has China Southern put an official bid in for London - Beijing route?


Yes, from PKX. But the results are unavailable yet.
 
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CZ adds Guangzhou – Changsha – Nairobi route on 22 June 2019. Will be operated twice a week. Apparently, they keep adding new intercontinental routes, even though CZ previously seemed to have slowed down with their global growth plan.

This route was applied by CZ exactly a month ago!

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The route will be operated with Airbus A330-200 aircraft. The inaugural flight departs from CAN on 22 June and from Changsha on 23 June 2019.

CZ6043 CAN2135 – 2255CSX0050+1 – 0730+1NBO 332 26
CZ6044 NBO1250 – 0605+1CSX0810+1 – 0945+1CAN 332 37


With this new adjustment, the previously planned increase on Guangzhou – Nairobi non-stop service from 3 to 4 weekly will be canceled and the route will be operated 2x weekly (overall 4 weekly flights to NBO).

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China Southern opened reservation for Wuhan – New York JFK route. The route will open on 10 July 2019 and will be flown 3 weekly with 787-9.

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Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:39 pm

Great to see CZ ramping up intercontinental push at URC as the carrier is to inaugurate CAN-URC-VIE tomorrow June 18th (URC-CDG recently has also been submitted to CAAC for approval).

Sources on Chinese social media say the inaugural flight will be operated by CZ's flagship B789 registered B1168, the 787th Boeing 787 aircraft, with a load factor > 80%, but scheduled flights later on will use B788 on each Tue, Thur, Sat.

Noteworthy URC-VIE is the first ever intercontinental nonstop linking China's northwestern Xinjiang and West Europe.

6月18日南航开通广州-乌鲁木齐-维也纳航线 新疆与西欧城市首次实现定期直航

Separately, per CAPA news brief, China Southern Airlines Group ends May-2019 with 849 aircraft.
 
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Zoedyn wrote:
Great to see CZ ramping up intercontinental push at URC as the carrier is to inaugurate CAN-URC-VIE tomorrow June 18th (URC-CDG recently has also been submitted to CAAC for approval).

Sources on Chinese social media say the inaugural flight will be operated by CZ's flagship B789 registered B1168, the 787th Boeing 787 aircraft, with a load factor > 80%, but scheduled flights later on will use B788 on each Tue, Thur, Sat.

Noteworthy URC-VIE is the first ever intercontinental nonstop linking China's northwestern Xinjiang and West Europe.

6月18日南航开通广州-乌鲁木齐-维也纳航线 新疆与西欧城市首次实现定期直航

Separately, per CAPA news brief, China Southern Airlines Group ends May-2019 with 849 aircraft.


Congratulations. They used to have connections to IST, but that was cut after the coup; this flight ensure connect opportunities to URC from Europe.
 
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A couple images for the CAN-URC-VIE inaugural flight today June 18

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Mr Han, a board member and vice Party chief of CZ, said at the ceremony marking the inaugural flight in Urumqi that CZ will fully leverage the outstanding geographical advantages Xinjiang has in linkage btwn Asia and Europe in a bid to further develop URC into an international aviation hub.

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=163667 ... der&for=pc
 
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A couple images for the CAN-URC-VIE inaugural flight today June 18

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Mr Han, a board member and vice Party chief of CZ, said at the ceremony marking the inaugural flight in Urumqi that CZ will fully leverage the outstanding geographical advantages Xinjiang has in linkage btwn Asia and Europe in a bid to further develop URC into an international aviation hub.

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=163667 ... der&for=pc

Do you know what is the current status of CZ's CAN-HEL/MAD/TLV/IKA, etc.? As far as I know, CZ holds traffic rights for CAN-HEL until 1 July 2020. When it comes to CZ's Urumqi expansion, as a Finn, I'd love to see a China Southern service from Urumqi to Helsinki in the future (and PKX of course) :)
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I read on here that the 4x weekly CAN-SFO 77W is being switched to a 6x weekly 789. When is this going to happen!? I hear the route is doing good due to the tech traffic on both sides (Silicon Valley & manufacturing in Guangzhou!).
 
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I read on here that the 4x weekly CAN-SFO 77W is being switched to a 6x weekly 789. When is this going to happen!? I hear the route is doing good due to the tech traffic on both sides (Silicon Valley & manufacturing in Guangzhou!).


Very sure it was 6 weekly 777-300ER... they downgrade the aircraft to a 787-9. Same applies to the 3 weekly SFO-WUH-CAN flight. I suspect that’s why UA expressed intention for flights to CAN... the vacated capacity can fill approx. 3 weekly of their 787-8 as long as they can spare one for the purpose.
 
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I've a feeling we are coming to an era where alliances do not mean anything anymore.
 
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I've a feeling we are coming to an era where alliances do not mean anything anymore.


You are very wrong. As we are typing, all alliances are working towards more integration and more market recognition across the globe. For example, while FRA is building a terminal for Lufthansa, oneworld and its member airline is actively discussing plans to co-locate all oneworld airline in one of the existing FRA terminals. SkyTeam is working within for more cooperation between its member airlines with improved connectivity. Oneworld is working on IT solutions for member airlines so one member airline's APP can check-in other member airlines's itinerary. Star Alliance is expanding Star Alliance branded lounges worldwide.

Wake up, the only airline think it can survive without alliance and its model would dominate the world under a certain gentleman named Hogan is slowly becoming irrelevant. Alliance is in its prime age. Consolidation is happening, alliance is evolving with time. It will only getting stronger.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:28 pm

CZ and EK are major global airlines that are not in an alliance. When you are not tied to an alliance, your potential is bigger, you can become partners all around the world.
 
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Unfortunately, according to Routesonline, they are to be cut to 2wk starting this summer.
By cutting flights in popular seasons, I smell ceasing MEX entirely. After all they can’t sell tickets between YVR and MEX and such a tag just seems unnecessary if they can codeshare AA’s flights to lots of Mexican cities.

Perhaps they could move the flight to Beijing Daxing and make it triangle (PKX-MEX-???-PKX)?
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:39 pm

Yeah I agree. CZ needs to move its 2x weekly CAN-YVR-MEX frequencies to PKX and fly PKX-MEX non-stop as the HU flight from PEK stops in TIJ. I know for AeroMexico & Air Nippon Airways their West-bound MEX-NRT flight is weight-restricted so it can take off at night from MEX and fly non-stop to NRT. They should do the same for PKX.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:41 pm

Also the one route per carrier policy is relaxed they should fly PKX-JFK & PKX-IAD. Air China has gotten too greedy and now charges outrageous fares on PEK-IAD (the only Mainland carrier @ IAD, CX does the same thing for HKG-IAD).
 
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x1234 wrote:
Also the one route per carrier policy is relaxed they should fly PKX-JFK & PKX-IAD. Air China has gotten too greedy and now charges outrageous fares on PEK-IAD (the only Mainland carrier @ IAD, CX does the same thing for HKG-IAD).


United could have added IAD-PVG, but they chose to go with 2nd EWR-PVG... I would not be too optimistic for short-term long-haul expansion on CZ right now, particularly given the poor atmosphere. Even if there’s ample demand, there is no leftover flight right on the Chinese side and CZ doesn’t have a ton of that to locate.
 
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Do you know what is the current status of CZ's CAN-HEL/MAD/TLV/IKA, etc.? As far as I know, CZ holds traffic rights for CAN-HEL until 1 July 2020. When it comes to CZ's Urumqi expansion, as a Finn, I'd love to see a China Southern service from Urumqi to Helsinki in the future (and PKX of course) :)


AFAIK, there is no definitive info re status of CAN-HEL/MAD/TLV/IKA, as CZ so far has never released any official briefing about them since being granted the route authority from CAAC in late 2018.

However, per disclosure of several individual accounts on Chinese social media SinaWeibo run by ppl who are either CZ staff or closely connected to CZ months ago, several new longhauls CZ had originally planned for 2019 were simply axed (but specific axed routes were unspecified) due to the arrival of Mr Ma Xulun, who got switched to the current CZ CEO position in late 2018 from the same role at MU with a strong background in accounting, as he immediately initiated a definitely unwelcoming austerity campaign within the airline, warning CZ staff to “live tight days” as he put it in popular Mandarin.

The axe disclosure was of course unofficial or even hearsay, but I do think it's clear now there is much credibility to it given Mr Ma’s conservative track record at MU and CZ's recent longhaul launches.

We'll see whether CZ merely put the routes you mentioned on hold or got them off the table once and for all already :?
 
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I also believe strongly that CZ is/will soon be undergoing a subtle yet decisive shift in its intercontinental hub focus in relation to its global expansion into Europe/N America, as the opening of its northern mega hub at PKX is just around the corner, which is surely way better placed than its home base CAN for the launch of Europe-bound intercontinental flights both geographically and commercially :dollarsign: :dollarsign:

That means we are most likely to see CZ launch more fresh new intercontinental flights to European destinations from PKX rather than from CAN in the near future. So far, CZ has secured traffic rights for PKX-LON/LED; the bidding result for PKX-MOW/CDG is yet to be seen.

Re HEL, I think there should be little surprise if PKX-HEL is to happen soon on either AY or CZ metal once Daxing gets operational fully, esp after the massive transfer of Chinese carriers' flights from PEK to PKX set to happen in Mar 2020 next year. I recall Finnland and China just recently expanded the bilateral, paving the way for AY to increase BJS/PVG frequencies, which I understand AY had long wanted to do but couldn't due to maxing out of traffic rights to the two top-tier cities in China.
 
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I recall Finnland and China just recently expanded the bilateral, paving the way for AY to increase BJS/PVG frequencies, which I understand AY had long wanted to do but couldn't due to maxing out of traffic rights to the two top-tier cities in China.


Great news if that is the case, but do you have any details or a source for this?
 
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Nami wrote:
Zoedyn wrote:
I recall Finnland and China just recently expanded the bilateral, paving the way for AY to increase BJS/PVG frequencies, which I understand AY had long wanted to do but couldn't due to maxing out of traffic rights to the two top-tier cities in China.


Great news if that is the case, but do you have any details or a source for this?

Apparently they did! According to Traficom, Finland and China have agreed to increase the number of allowed weekly flights to Beijing from current 7 to 14 weekly. This is great news! I wouldn't be surprised at all if AY soon announced additional flights to Beijing. Under the agreement, a route to Central and Western China can be opened from Finland.
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Nami wrote:
Zoedyn wrote:
I recall Finnland and China just recently expanded the bilateral, paving the way for AY to increase BJS/PVG frequencies, which I understand AY had long wanted to do but couldn't due to maxing out of traffic rights to the two top-tier cities in China.


Great news if that is the case, but do you have any details or a source for this?

Apparently they did! According to Traficom, Finland and China have agreed to increase the number of allowed weekly flights to Beijing from current 7 to 14 weekly. This is great news! I wouldn't be surprised at all if AY soon announced additional flights to Beijing. Under the agreement, a route to Central and Western China can be opened from Finland.

And just to clarify:
These additional frequencies are issued to HEL—BJS route. Thus, there are 14 weekly flights allowed for HEL—BJS while 4 weekly are for RVN—BJS.
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QuawerAir wrote:
Nami wrote:

Great news if that is the case, but do you have any details or a source for this?

Apparently they did! According to Traficom, Finland and China have agreed to increase the number of allowed weekly flights to Beijing from current 7 to 14 weekly. This is great news! I wouldn't be surprised at all if AY soon announced additional flights to Beijing. Under the agreement, a route to Central and Western China can be opened from Finland.

And just to clarify:
These additional frequencies are issued to HEL—BJS route. Thus, there are 14 weekly flights allowed for HEL—BJS while 4 weekly are for RVN—BJS.


Glad to see the details from the Finnish source you provided, QuawerAir :thumbsup:

I first learnt the news from a very brief piece @CAAC early in May here China-Finnland aviation exchange, but didn't get to know any specifics of the renewed bilateral, which CAAC as always chose to keep from public knowledge as if such stuff were top state secrets that must be carefully guarded.

So, I guess there are 11 additional frequencies btwn Finnland and China right now, but all dedicated to BJS-Finnland?
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:24 pm

China Southern Airlines and Emirates Launch Codeshare Operations beginning today June 20

Current codeshare flights btwn CZ and EK
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CZ also said that more codeshare products will be launched in the following stages, such as flights from Dubai to Cairo / Mahe Island / Lagos / Kuwait / Muscat / Riyadh / Jeddah and some Guangzhou beyonds. 
 
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Just a quick question, do CZ still have their 2 744F, if they still have it, where they were from?

And maybe a more specific question, is their cabin/ flight crew being recruited and then based in their home base, or are they being recruited locally but based in other cities.

How is their CAN-JFK route doing.

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Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:28 am

China Southern is about to receive its 1st ever A350 just this weekend on June 29th, per its official Weibo account.

Acceptance test flights are being conducted in Toulouse.
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The carrier's first A350 commercial service is scheduled for flights CZ3523/4 and CZ3503/4 on CAN-SHA July 5th.

CZ also released some pics of the color scheme for its A350 seats earlier this month, again drawing a lot of ridicule for being "too outdated" , "not stylish".
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:35 pm

Another intercontinental longhaul is to kick off on CZ's flagship B787 tomorrow June 25th, this time from Zhengzhou to London with the following schedule on each Tuesday and Saturday
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CGO-LHR is the 1st intercontinental nonstop route to West Europe for Zhengzhou, capital of central China's Henan Province that boasts a population of almost 100M, as well as being the 1st intercontinental longhaul CZ operates from Henan

Congrats to Zhengzhou :champagne:

6月25日起郑州直飞伦敦 每周二、六两班
 
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:37 pm

So the CGO-LHR inaugural flight has taken off today June 25th, with over 260 pax aboard.

CZ's CEO Mr Ma attended the inaugural flight ceremony.

It's also mentioned in the report CZ is having negotiations with BA on offering codeshare flights on LHR-LUX in a bid to provide seamless travel experience for pax traveling btwn Henan and Luxemburg, as there's been booming air cargo ties in recent years btwn the two, with CZ harboring a plan to start direct CGO-LUX service one day when the market is nurtured well enough.

刚刚,从郑州首飞!伦敦,11小时后见!

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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:21 pm

Per CZ's Weibo account, China Southern has taken delivery of its 1st A350 registered as B-308T in Toulouse today June 28th.

Another 5 more A350s will be delivered in H2 2019.

Congratulations :champagne: :champagne: :champagne:

Social media reports say some intercontinental longhaul routes out of PKX will see CZ's A350 service.

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Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:45 pm

The 1st A350 for CZ arrived at CAN this afternoon June 29th
CZ's Chairman Mr Wang Changshun and CEO Mr Ma arrived on scene to welcome the beautiful bird into the fleet.
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Videos featuring CZ taking delivery of the 1st of their A350s in Guangzhou

https://m.weibo.cn/1974726163/4388646855344090

https://m.weibo.cn/5227458836/4388525417601702
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:32 am

And the first thing they did after delivery was to release the emergency escape slides on the rear doors. Why? :confused:
 
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mxaxai wrote:
And the first thing they did after delivery was to release the emergency escape slides on the rear doors. Why? :confused:


mxaxai, that was actually a routine emergency evacuation test required by CAAC to ensure an airline has proper emergency response procedures in place for the induction of any new type of aircraft :alert:
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:11 pm

B-HOP wrote:
Just a quick question, do CZ still have their 2 744F, if they still have it, where they were from?

And maybe a more specific question, is their cabin/ flight crew being recruited and then based in their home base, or are they being recruited locally but based in other cities.

How is their CAN-JFK route doing.

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They still have the 2 744s, flying to Hanoi and other cargo destinations, usually mid-short ones. Seems to me that long hauls are flown by 77Fs.
JFK probably is doing OK, but no better than that.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:04 pm

Zoedyn wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
And the first thing they did after delivery was to release the emergency escape slides on the rear doors. Why? :confused:


mxaxai, that was actually a routine emergency evacuation test required by CAAC to ensure an airline has proper emergency response procedures in place for the induction of any new type of aircraft :alert:

Thanks, I didn't know that before. I've also never seen or heard of that. Is it required only by the CAAC or do any other countries also do this? Are there (test) passengers on board for this test? If yes, that would seem like an uneccesary risk - people do get hurt going down those slides. Does it also apply to family members, e. g. would CZ have to do it again if they took delivery of an A350-1000?

Pardon the many questions but this is really a new, and fascinating requirement for me.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:30 am

CZ commenced 1st A350 service on CAN-SHA today Jul 3rd. 南航首架空客A350成功首航
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The previous two days saw the bird flying above the skies of Guilin City for training purposes.

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CZ starts WUH-JFK on Jul 10th. 南航7月10日将开通武汉直飞纽约航线
PLF reported to be > 95% now for the inaugural flight
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mxaxai wrote:
Thanks, I didn't know that before. I've also never seen or heard of that. Is it required only by the CAAC or do any other countries also do this? Are there (test) passengers on board for this test? If yes, that would seem like an uneccesary risk - people do get hurt going down those slides. Does it also apply to family members, e. g. would CZ have to do it again if they took delivery of an A350-1000?

Pardon the many questions but this is really a new, and fascinating requirement for me.


Obviously no pax involved.

The report below explained in detail how such tests got conducted when CZ received its 1st A380 back in 2011

http://www.ccaonline.cn/news/hqtx/222719.html

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