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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:44 am

I doubt there will be any more BNA adds, but who knows.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:57 am

I think this next schedule update will mostly center around the eastern half of the U.S.

I predict some leisure markets from BWI and MDW. Who knows...
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:24 am

FA9295 wrote:
I think this next schedule update will mostly center around the eastern half of the U.S.

I predict some leisure markets from BWI and MDW. Who knows...


While WN already has nonstop service out of MDW to most of the domestic destinations, WN could add MDW-ELP and MDW-RIC nonstop service. WN could also increase MDW-JAX and MDW-OKC to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop.

Even though WN already serves most of its domestic destinations nonstop from BWI, there are still some more nonstop routes that could be added out of BWI by WN such as BWI-DSM, BWI-ELP, BWI-OMA, BWI-ONT, BWI-SNA, BWI-RNO, BWI-SFO, BWI-TUS, and BWI-TUL.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:00 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:02 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.oag.com/blog/spot-the-difference-in-us-low-cost-carriers

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The Southwest effect is still alive and well.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:07 pm

jplatts wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
I think this next schedule update will mostly center around the eastern half of the U.S.

I predict some leisure markets from BWI and MDW. Who knows...


While WN already has nonstop service out of MDW to most of the domestic destinations, WN could add MDW-ELP and MDW-RIC nonstop service. WN could also increase MDW-JAX and MDW-OKC to at least 2 daily nonstops from 1 daily nonstop.

Even though WN already serves most of its domestic destinations nonstop from BWI, there are still some more nonstop routes that could be added out of BWI by WN such as BWI-DSM, BWI-ELP, BWI-OMA, BWI-ONT, BWI-SNA, BWI-RNO, BWI-SFO, BWI-TUS, and BWI-TUL.


My wishlist for new routes for MEM
LAS, LAX, OAK, ATL, FLL, MSY, PHX and STL

My wishlist for added frequencies for MEM
BWI, DEN
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:13 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.oag.com/blog/spot-the-difference-in-us-low-cost-carriers

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Thanks for posting this. I guess it just goes to show that WN is still considerd an LCC at least to some degree...

They certainly can compete against them fairly well...
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:37 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
https://www.oag.com/blog/spot-the-difference-in-us-low-cost-carriers

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Thanks for posting this. I guess it just goes to show that WN is still considerd an LCC at least to some degree...

They certainly can compete against them fairly well...



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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:55 pm

anyone seeing anything new? All I noticed was CUN flights cut back for the season. Which was normal. But I didn’t look at the closely at it
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:56 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
anyone seeing anything new? All I noticed was CUN flights cut back for the season. Which was normal. But I didn’t look at the closely at it


Nothing much from what I can tell.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:08 pm

Only thing I've found is BUR-MDW gets a 2nd flight Monday-Friday.
RIC adds MCO and TPA on Sat/Sun.

Seems very lackluster which seems to be the new normal for a WN release.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:34 pm

Only thing I'm finding in terms of adds or drops so far is SEA-MKE added as a Saturday-only flight. Strange that they are not running this seasonal route at all this summer but it comes back for fall on Saturdays only. Apparently they don't want to miss out on all the fun between Alaska and Delta on SEA-MKE.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:43 pm

In LGB WN extended 4 SJC,3 LAS, 2 extra SMF and the 1 Saturday/Sunday only DEN until June 30th.
Anyone know when LGB airport will make these slots permanently reallocated to WN?

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:26 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
In LGB WN extended 4 SJC,3 LAS, 2 extra SMF and the 1 Saturday/Sunday only DEN until June 30th.
Anyone know when LGB airport will make these slots permanently reallocated to WN?

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I would imagine so. LGB has really come a long way in the past 2 years.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:05 pm

I wouldn't expect any major announcement from WN in the next couple of updates. I think it's all about starting Hawaii flying as soon as possible. That should come soon hopefully now that government is open.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:56 pm

Here is a picture of a slide from a presentation given by David Harvey on behalf of Southwest Airlines at the 2016 ACI-NA JumpStart Air Service Development Conference:
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According to the above slide, HNL, OGG, CVG, and ANC were the only 4 U.S. markets in the top 50 that weren't served by WN in June 2006. WN now serves CVG, and WN has already announced plans to serve HNL and OGG.

ANC will be the only remaining market in the top 50 U.S. markets that isn't served by WN once WN starts service to HNL and OGG. WN could add nonstop service to ANC from MDW, DEN, HNL, LAS, OAK, PHX, and PDX if it adds service to ANC.

There was an article in the Dallas Business Journal titled "Where will Southwest Airlines fly next: Hawaii, South America or elsewhere?" that said that WN is already considering adding service to Alaska, and that article can be found at https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2017/01/24/where-will-southwest-airlines-fly-next.html.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:37 pm

Any update on what is up with N727SW (Nevada One)? Flightaware is showing it landed at IND on December 28th and hasn't flown since.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:46 pm

I believe IND is where WN does a lot of their checks. I’d imagine Nevada One is in the process of a 20Y check. With WN looking to retire a lot of the older -700s, Id imagine N727 will likely be retired within the next few years.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:05 am

IINM Nevada One, along with Colorado One and Maryland One, are the last remaining state planes that still have the Canyon Blue tail.

Nevada and Maryland could really use some new paint based on the last time I saw either one. Both of them looked pretty faded.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:51 pm

I was looking at FLL schedule in September and noticed WN did not extend BZE, GCM and PLS. Were these supposed to be seasonal markets or did they get ended?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:11 pm

tphuang wrote:
I was looking at FLL schedule in September and noticed WN did not extend BZE, GCM and PLS. Were these supposed to be seasonal markets or did they get ended?


I believe there Saturday Only during the off season.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:00 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I was looking at FLL schedule in September and noticed WN did not extend BZE, GCM and PLS. Were these supposed to be seasonal markets or did they get ended?


I believe there Saturday Only during the off season.
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FLL-BZE,PLS and GCM all run Saturday ONLY in September.
I'm surprised that in the slow season the don't eliminate one of the weak to much capacity daily CUN flights and add a GCM on Wednesday, PLS on Tuesday. BZE on Monday & Thursday . Vs Saturday only. Friday,Sunday the plane would fly FLL-CUN during the peak days.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:08 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I was looking at FLL schedule in September and noticed WN did not extend BZE, GCM and PLS. Were these supposed to be seasonal markets or did they get ended?


I believe there Saturday Only during the off season.
Flyguy

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FLL-BZE,PLS and GCM all run Saturday ONLY in September.
I'm surprised that in the slow season the don't eliminate one of the weak to much capacity daily CUN flights and add a GCM on Wednesday, PLS on Tuesday. BZE on Monday & Thursday . Vs Saturday only. Friday,Sunday the plane would fly FLL-CUN during the peak days.

Flyguy

It's hard to be competitive when they run these seasonally and B6/NK run their latin american stuff through the entire year.

we don't really know what October and November will look like yet.

I see WN cutting DCA-FLL/MCO back to once daily for September and they were definitely twice daily in 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:39 pm

tphuang wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
FLL-BZE,PLS and GCM all run Saturday ONLY in September.
I'm surprised that in the slow season the don't eliminate one of the weak to much capacity daily CUN flights and add a GCM on Wednesday, PLS on Tuesday. BZE on Monday & Thursday . Vs Saturday only. Friday,Sunday the plane would fly FLL-CUN during the peak days.


It's hard to be competitive when they run these seasonally and B6/NK run their latin american stuff through the entire year.

we don't really know what October and November will look like yet.

I see WN cutting DCA-FLL/MCO back to once daily for September and they were definitely twice daily in 2018.


WN could add nonstop service out of FLL to domestic destinations that aren't currently served by B6 or NK such as CVG, SDF, MEM, ORF, and OMA.

While AS, B6, and UA all already serve SFO nonstop from FLL, WN could add FLL-OAK nonstop service in order to better compete against AS in the San Francisco Bay Area.

WN could also add FLL-SAN nonstop service in order to defend against AS or NK possibly adding FLL-SAN nonstop service.

Even though both B6 and G4 already serve ROC, WN could also add FLL-ROC nonstop service since ROC isn't currently served nonstop from either FLL or MIA.

In addition to the above, WN had previously said that it was considering adding FLL-CLE nonstop service.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:46 pm

With limited gate space at airports, Southwest Airlines probably should only fly the 738 / MAX 8.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:38 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:18 pm

So much for the 2nd wave of Hawaii and possible the retirements planned for the 700's. WN is going to be a mess the next few days. Hopefully the MX department puts shenanigans aside to keep everything else flying to cover the 33 grounded MAX aircraft.
I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow scheduled release is pushed 30 days.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:36 pm

I could be mistaken....but aren't a bunch of their -700s currently out of service. If so, things are going to get messy.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:55 pm

Does Southwest have any recently retired 700s that they could pull back into service?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:49 pm

quickmover wrote:
Does Southwest have any recently retired 700s that they could pull back into service?


No 700’s have been retired but N752SW and N772SW are in storage
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:29 pm

tphuang wrote:
FLLCUN
WN 186 15732 26598 59.15% 143
B6 123 16088 18450 87.20% 150
NK 62 12817 14136 90.67% 228
Pretty standard stuff here too. FLL-CUN continues to look to be a disaster for WN. Not sure how much longer they can keep going at this kind of performance.


WN could move FLL-CUN nonstop service over to MCO since WN would be able to pull in more connecting traffic on MCO-CUN than it can on FLL-CUN nonstop service. There are also some destinations that WN currently serves nonstop from MCO but not from FLL such as BHM, GRR, SDF, MHT, MEM, OAK, ROC, SMF, SAN, and SJC.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm

n471wn wrote:
quickmover wrote:
Does Southwest have any recently retired 700s that they could pull back into service?


No 700’s have been retired but N752SW and N772SW are in storage


N752SW is now back in service
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:40 pm

jplatts wrote:
tphuang wrote:
FLLCUN
WN 186 15732 26598 59.15% 143
B6 123 16088 18450 87.20% 150
NK 62 12817 14136 90.67% 228
Pretty standard stuff here too. FLL-CUN continues to look to be a disaster for WN. Not sure how much longer they can keep going at this kind of performance.


WN could move FLL-CUN nonstop service over to MCO since WN would be able to pull in more connecting traffic on MCO-CUN than it can on FLL-CUN nonstop service. There are also some destinations that WN currently serves nonstop from MCO but not from FLL such as BHM, GRR, SDF, MHT, MEM, OAK, ROC, SMF, SAN, and SJC.


honestly, I think the best located station to do this kind of connection for WN is HOU.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:10 pm

I'm just your average, aviation enthusiast, self-loading cargo type. Out of curiosity, the diver in me would love to see gates open up at RTB and CZM. Do any of y'all foresee that in the future? It sure would be convenient to fly out of HOU to those diving meccas.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:15 pm

tphuang wrote:
honestly, I think the best located station to do this kind of connection for WN is HOU.


MCO is a better connecting point than HOU is for connections to CUN from most places east of the Mississippi. There are also some places that WN currently serves nonstop from MCO but not from HOU such as ALB, BUF, GRR, BDL, ISP, MHT, PVD, and ROC, but most of these places are Northeastern destinations that already have nonstop service to BWI on WN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:47 pm

Nashville will hit 138 daily departures. Heavily rumored that they'll pick up 6 new gates at BNA's Concourse D currently in construction. Giving them a total of 20 gates. With BNA such a booming market, plus WN's interest, will this be the MDW reliever station?
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:36 pm

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Nashville will hit 138 daily departures. Heavily rumored that they'll pick up 6 new gates at BNA's Concourse D currently in construction. Giving them a total of 20 gates. With BNA such a booming market, plus WN's interest, will this be the MDW reliever station?


I still get the feeling they will be growing (and possibly moving flights from ATL) BNA as a southeast station “hub” more than a MDW reliever station. Not to say some MDW doesn’t factor in at all though. I’m also not sure what BWI looks like capacity wise. They might need some overflow also for moving people up and down the east coast. Also some Southeast traffic-west from DAL maybe.

Moving STL to 20 gates and whenever MCIs new terminal comes online down the road I think will be used to move connecting traffic from MDW, especially east/west traffic.
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:51 pm

I'm just an airline employee, and I have no idea what the future holds for each market, but I've heard STL will probably stick in the 120-135 daily departures range, as BNA could potentially be looking at close to 200 daily departures, and a MX hangar within the next 2 years. Once again, we'll never know except the folks in DAL, but the connections line is supposed to go DAL-BNA-MDW-BWI.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:56 pm

I know that NYC-LAX is super-competitive, but WN flies EWR-OAK (which competes against SFO-EWR/JFK) and EWR-SAN...is there any reason why EWR-LAX isn't attempted? Insufficient gate space at EWR? (I believe WN controls 2 or 3 gates there.) Both EWR-SAN and EWR-OAK are generally flown on the B738 (before the groundings, the B38M also was used sometimes).
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:33 pm

Someone posted in the Denver thread that rumor has it WN wants to make DEN its second largest station. Any truth to this?
 
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:47 pm

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Someone posted in the Denver thread that rumor has it WN wants to make DEN its second largest station. Any truth to this?


Right now, they are one departure behind BWI for second, so it really shouldn't be hard to push DEN into second.
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:44 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
I'm just an airline employee, and I have no idea what the future holds for each market, but I've heard STL will probably stick in the 120-135 daily departures range.


Seems weird they are adding more gates to go from 17 to 20 and spending 20 mil on baggage expansions so they can process twice as much then, when they already are in that range. If they were really going to stay in that range.
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Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:02 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
I'm just an airline employee, and I have no idea what the future holds for each market, but I've heard STL will probably stick in the 120-135 daily departures range.


Seems weird they are adding more gates to go from 17 to 20 and spending 20 mil on baggage expansions so they can process twice as much then, when they already are in that range


Never really understood WN’s insistance on having large stations within close proximity, particularly BNA/STL, LAS/PHX, MCO/FLL, etc.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:04 am

Jshank83 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Nashville will hit 138 daily departures. Heavily rumored that they'll pick up 6 new gates at BNA's Concourse D currently in construction. Giving them a total of 20 gates. With BNA such a booming market, plus WN's interest, will this be the MDW reliever station?


I still get the feeling they will be growing (and possibly moving flights from ATL) BNA as a southeast station “hub” more than a MDW reliever station. Not to say some MDW doesn’t factor in at all though. I’m also not sure what BWI looks like capacity wise. They might need some overflow also for moving people up and down the east coast. Also some Southeast traffic-west from DAL maybe.

Moving STL to 20 gates and whenever MCIs new terminal comes online down the road I think will be used to move connecting traffic from MDW, especially east/west traffic.


I think with the way they are building up BNA. It will be far more likely a southeast hub (which they sorely need) than a MDW reliever. But they have some way to go to reach that status. Right now, their BNA station is too small compared to the overwhelming presence of ATL. They need to throw a lot of money to turn this into another BNA.

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I know that NYC-LAX is super-competitive, but WN flies EWR-OAK (which competes against SFO-EWR/JFK) and EWR-SAN...is there any reason why EWR-LAX isn't attempted? Insufficient gate space at EWR? (I believe WN controls 2 or 3 gates there.) Both EWR-SAN and EWR-OAK are generally flown on the B738 (before the groundings, the B38M also was used sometimes).

I don't see how they could. They struggle as a whole out of EWR. They are not fully utilizing EWR at all. And their model doesn't work well for transcon flights. SAN/OAK are really underperforming route that was added to just retaliate against AS adds at SAN/SJC. They'd have to be crazy to enter the NYC-LAX market. Only a couple of routes out of BWI do well amongst the transcon routes they've tried. That's why I don't think they are going to try to enter the premium sector or to Europe.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:56 am

tphuang wrote:
I think with the way they are building up BNA. It will be far more likely a southeast hub (which they sorely need) than a MDW reliever. But they have some way to go to reach that status. Right now, their BNA station is too small compared to the overwhelming presence of ATL. They need to throw a lot of money to turn this into another BNA.


BNA already is bigger than ATL for WN. Unless you were getting at something else.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:46 am

Who knows honestly. They might build both STL and BNA similar to how they’ve had LAS/PHX all these years.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:28 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I think with the way they are building up BNA. It will be far more likely a southeast hub (which they sorely need) than a MDW reliever. But they have some way to go to reach that status. Right now, their BNA station is too small compared to the overwhelming presence of ATL. They need to throw a lot of money to turn this into another BNA.


BNA already is bigger than ATL for WN. Unless you were getting at something else.

guess I wasn't clear there. They are miniscue compared to Delta at ATL and AA at CLT, which would be who they battle against on a lot of midwest/northeast/central to Florida connections. BWI isn't really great for connections to Florida when you originate at MKE or MCI or STL or IND or CMH.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:01 pm

tphuang wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I think with the way they are building up BNA. It will be far more likely a southeast hub (which they sorely need) than a MDW reliever. But they have some way to go to reach that status. Right now, their BNA station is too small compared to the overwhelming presence of ATL. They need to throw a lot of money to turn this into another BNA.


BNA already is bigger than ATL for WN. Unless you were getting at something else.

guess I wasn't clear there. They are miniscue compared to Delta at ATL and AA at CLT, which would be who they battle against on a lot of midwest/northeast/central to Florida connections. BWI isn't really great for connections to Florida when you originate at MKE or MCI or STL or IND or CMH.


Are you saying WN at BNA needs to get to CLT/ATL levels? Because (I think) WN doesn’t have and has never had a station larger than around 250 flights.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:54 am

Fargo wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

BNA already is bigger than ATL for WN. Unless you were getting at something else.

guess I wasn't clear there. They are miniscue compared to Delta at ATL and AA at CLT, which would be who they battle against on a lot of midwest/northeast/central to Florida connections. BWI isn't really great for connections to Florida when you originate at MKE or MCI or STL or IND or CMH.


Are you saying WN at BNA needs to get to CLT/ATL levels? Because (I think) WN doesn’t have and has never had a station larger than around 250 flights.


Not that level and I don't think BNA has anywhere near the gate space. But a station of 200+ flights is doable and they can capture some of the connection items that go through UA/AA right now. WN is really strong in southwest (clearly), California, midwest, but it's kind of weak on the east coast. It has the strong hub at BWI, that has to split the same metro area with AA/UA. It's strong in Florida, but not to the level of DL/AA. Having a southeast-ish type of hub at BNA is imo a clear strategic move.
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