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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:48 am

ericm2031 wrote:
barney captain wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
"New SAN-Hawaii spin I heard today is that the NG800 is Too Heavy going west. So basically NO MAX NO SAN-Hawaii ????

Flyguy


AS seems to have no issues. Every flight I've done westbound has had plenty of room for the required extra fuel for SAN-HI - even with winter winds.The only issues I've ever heard of are the occasional SEA-HNL flights on AS during winter, needing a tech stop in OAK.


Possibly could be due to WN putting 16 more seats on their -800s and probably carrying more luggage than AS with their bag allowance.


Barney, SAN-HNL is 200mi further than OAK-HNL. How much is that in gas?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:26 am

I wonder why WN is cutting down the number of PHX - BUF flights starting in January. That flight is a cash cow for Canadians coming over and flying out of BNIA / Buffalo.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:40 am

ericm2031 wrote:
barney captain wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
"New SAN-Hawaii spin I heard today is that the NG800 is Too Heavy going west. So basically NO MAX NO SAN-Hawaii ????

Flyguy


AS seems to have no issues. Every flight I've done westbound has had plenty of room for the required extra fuel for SAN-HI - even with winter winds.The only issues I've ever heard of are the occasional SEA-HNL flights on AS during winter, needing a tech stop in OAK.


Possibly could be due to WN putting 16 more seats on their -800s and probably carrying more luggage than AS with their bag allowance.


They also have heavier F class seats and full galleys with ovens. This same straw man argument was made when we announced our initial HI service and it didn't materialize.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:54 am

jplatts wrote:
I am surprised that WN hasn't reduced frequencies on ATL-LGA nonstop service when (a) WN already dropped ATL-DTW, ATL-MSP, and ATL-SEA nonstop service, (b) WN is going to be discontinuing ATL-BOS nonstop service in January, and (c) WN is gong to be reducing ATL-LAX to 2 daily nonstops from 3 daily nonstops.

WN still has 5 daily nonstops on ATL-LGA in January and February 2020.

Why hasn't WN yet reduced frequencies on ATL-LGA nonstop service when WN has dropped nonstop routes out of ATL to other DL hubs such as BOS, DTW, MSP, and SEA?


It's a lucrative route for them. Otherwise, they would've cut it already.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:54 pm

While there are some individuals who have mentioned in the Airliners.net forums that WN is maxed out at MDW, WN has more room at MDW to add more flights as WN is currently down to 233 daily departures, which is 32 fewer departures than Summer 2017 (when it operated 265 daily departures).

WN will be down to 199 daily departures out of MDW in January 2020, which is 66 fewer departures than it operated in Summer 2017.

While WN already serves most of its domestic destinations nonstop from MDW, there are a few more domestic adds such as MDW-ELP, MDW-LIT, and MDW-RIC that could be made by WN at MDW. WN will have enough room at MDW to accommodate new nonstop routes with WN dropping 6 daily MDW-EWR nonstop flights this November.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:06 am

jplatts wrote:
While there are some individuals who have mentioned in the Airliners.net forums that WN is maxed out at MDW, WN has more room at MDW to add more flights as WN is currently down to 233 daily departures, which is 32 fewer departures than Summer 2017 (when it operated 265 daily departures).

WN will be down to 199 daily departures out of MDW in January 2020, which is 66 fewer departures than it operated in Summer 2017.

While WN already serves most of its domestic destinations nonstop from MDW, there are a few more domestic adds such as MDW-ELP, MDW-LIT, and MDW-RIC that could be made by WN at MDW. WN will have enough room at MDW to accommodate new nonstop routes with WN dropping 6 daily MDW-EWR nonstop flights this November.

ELP,LIT and RIC would make no sense for WN to add to MDW. No way could these small airports support 3 carriers to Chicago. WN already dropped LIT-MDW a few years back and moved the flights to STL because LIT couldn't support it.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:09 pm

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ELP, LIT and RIC would make no sense for WN to add to MDW. No way could these small airports support 3 carriers to Chicago. WN already dropped LIT-MDW a few years back and moved the flights to STL because LIT couldn't support it.


There are actually a few domestic destinations in metro areas smaller than RIC such as ALB, ABQ, TUS, and OMA that already have daily nonstop service to MDW on WN.

Here are the populations of the Richmond metro area compared to the Albany, Albuquerque, Tucson, and Omaha metro areas:
Richmond, VA - MSA 1,282,442 (not located in a CSA)
Albany, NY - CSA 1,171,593, MSA 883,169
Albuquerque, NM - CSA 1,156,187, MSA 915,927
Tucson, AZ - CSA 1,085,584, MSA 1,039,073
Omaha, NE - CSA 970,023, MSA 942,198

RIC also carried more domestic passengers in 2018 than ALB, TUS, or OMA did.

CHI to RIC actually also had higher PDEW's in Q4 2018 than some of the destinations that already have daily nonstop service to MDW on WN.

Here are the PDEW's on CHI-RIC compared to other routes out of CHI in Q4 2018:
CHI-RIC - 208 passengers/day (no nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-OKC - 201 passengers/day (seasonal daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-BHM - 192 passengers/day (daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-TUS - 187 passengers/day (daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-IND - 165 passengers/day (daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-ALB - 154 passengers/day (daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-RNO - 79 passengers/day (seasonal daily nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-GRR - 67 passengers/day (daily nonstop service to MDW)

There is likely enough O&D between RIC and CHI for WN to make MDW-RIC nonstop service work if CHI-BHM, CHI-TUS, and CHI-ALB all have lower PDEW's than CHI-RIC, daily nonstop service to MDW on WN, and non-connecting passengers on WN MDW-BHM/TUS/ALB nonstop flights.

WN was able to significantly stimulate additional O&D demand for CVG-CHI when it added nonstop service to MDW from CVG in June 2017, as shown in the PDEW's for CHI-CVG below:
CHI-CVG in Q3 2016 - 211 passengers/day (no nonstop service to MDW)
CHI-CVG in Q3 2017 - 425 passengers/day (1st year of WN service out of CVG)
CHI-CVG in Q3 2018 - 445 passengers/day (2nd year of WN service out of CVG)

I would likely expect similar stimulation in demand on the CHI-RIC route if WN adds RIC-MDW nonstop service.

Even though WN has never served MDW nonstop from RIC, RIC is certainly in a big enough market to support nonstop service to MDW on WN, and there is enough demand to Chicago from RIC to support MDW-RIC nonstop service. WN would also be able to offer 1-stop connecting service from RIC to additional cities such as ABQ, MEM, MSP, OMA, ONT, PDX, SMF, SLC, SJC, SEA, and TUS if WN adds RIC-MDW nonstop service.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:11 pm

Load Factor question regarding WN. In May (most recent data available), WN ran around a 86.5 LF across their network. At MSP, all carriers were at 86.55, but WN originated at 79.45, while having 87.79 with MSP as the Destination airport. Can someone explain why WN would be so low on origination flight LF but higher on inbound to MSP?
Any ideas as to how "well" they are actually doing in MN?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:40 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
Load Factor question regarding WN. In May (most recent data available), WN ran around a 86.5 LF across their network. At MSP, all carriers were at 86.55, but WN originated at 79.45, while having 87.79 with MSP as the Destination airport. Can someone explain why WN would be so low on origination flight LF but higher on inbound to MSP?
Any ideas as to how "well" they are actually doing in MN?


There were probably some travelers who flew into MSP on WN but returned home on other airlines. In addition, there are probably some college students who were heading to colleges in the Twin Cities from California, the Lower Midwest, the South, and the Northeast in August, September, and January that explain the inbound higher load factors to MSP during August, September, and January.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:33 am

N759GS ferried ATL-GWO earlier today. Supposedly, this is the first -700 to be retired.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N759GS
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:26 am

Runway28L wrote:
N759GS ferried ATL-GWO earlier today. Supposedly, this is the first -700 to be retired.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N759GS


How many -700s is WN planning on leaving the fleet in the near future? This appears to be a WN owned aircraft and is separate from the 19 leased frames that are going to UA.

In light of the MAX groundings, this seems like really poor planning on the part of WN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:58 am

Vctony wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
N759GS ferried ATL-GWO earlier today. Supposedly, this is the first -700 to be retired.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N759GS


How many -700s is WN planning on leaving the fleet in the near future? This appears to be a WN owned aircraft and is separate from the 19 leased frames that are going to UA.

In light of the MAX groundings, this seems like really poor planning on the part of WN.


Surprised that the 1997 builds aren't going first. N700GS or the "O.G." is still happily plying the skies.These are not even as old as some of the -200's and -300's when they were being retired.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:41 pm

Runway28L wrote:
N759GS ferried ATL-GWO earlier today. Supposedly, this is the first -700 to be retired.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N759GS


First, huh? As cliche-y as this sounds, "time flies". To clarify, though: first -700 ever to be retired, or first *WN* -700? TIA.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:52 pm

WN updated their November schedule to account for the Max cuts, ATL got cut back significantly, while at DAL it looks like short-haul flying is being exchanged for some extra longer-haul routes, and BWI seems to have been boosted in terms of short-haul flying

Not sure how much is up or down YOY, I figure these most of these changes aren't necessarily growth, but rather bringing some routes to where they were pre-max cuts. However, it is interesting to see that the MAX cuts are impacting each station very differently.

Decrease from Schedule Extension (# of flights currently in schedule Nov 14th)
CMH-ATL-1 (2 flights)
PIT-ATL -1 (2 flights)
BNA-ATL -2 (3 flights)
BOS-ATL -1 (0 flights)
IND-ATL -1 (2 flights)
PHX-ATL -1 (2 flights)
IAD-ATL -1 (2 flights)
DCA-ATL -1 (3 flights)
RDU-ATL -1 (2 flights)
PHL-ATL -1 (1 flight)
MCO-ATL -2 (4 flights)
MSY-ATL -1 (3 flights)
LAS-ATL -1 (2 flights)
MCI-ATL -1 (2 flights)
JAX-ATL -1 (2 flights)
HOU-ATL -1 (5 flights)
RSW-ATL -1 (1 flight)
FLL-ATL -2 (3 flights)
DEN-ATL +1 (5 flights)
DAL-ATL +1 (6 flights)

DAL-ATL +1 (6 flights)
DAL-RDU +1 (2 flights)
DAL-DTW +1 (2 flights)
DAL-IND +1 (2 flights)
DAL-BOS +1 (2 flights)
DAL-CMH +1 (2 flights)
DAL-PIT +1 (2 flights)
DAL-STL +1 (7 flights)
DAL-BWI +1 (5 flights)
DAL-BUR +1 (2 flights)
DAL-DEN +2 (9 flights)
DAL-OMA +1 (2 flights)
DAL-HOU -3 (17 flights)
DAL-AUS -2 (8 flights)
DAL-SAT -3 (7 flights)
DAL-LAS -1 (4 flights)
DAL-LBB -1 (4 flights)
DAL-MAF -1 (4 flights)
DAL-TUL -1 (3 flights)
DAL-OKC -1 (2 flights)

TPA-BWI +1 (8 flights)
RDU-BWI +1 (7 flights)
PVD-BWI +1 (7 flights)
ALB-BWI +2 (6 flights)
HOU-BWI +2 (6 flights)
DEN-BWI +1 (6 flights)
CMH-BWI +1 (5 flights)
JAX-BWI +2 (5 flights)
DAL-BWI +1 (5 flights)
PWM-BWI +1 (4 flights)
MKE-BWI +1 (4 flights)
DTW-BWI +1 (4 flights)
IND-BWI +1 (4 flights)
CLE-BWI +1 (4 flights)
PBI-BWI +1 (4 flights)
MCI-BWI +1 (3 flights)
OAK-BWI +1 (2 flights)
BHM-BWI +1 (2 flights)
MEM-BWI +1 (2 flights)
MDW-BWI -1 (6 flights)
BNA-BWI -1 (5 flights)
BUF-BWI -1 (4 flights)
LAS-BWI -1 (4 flights)
ISP-BWI -1 (4 flights)
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:41 am

Longtime lurker, first-time poster.

Looks like in addition to N759GS going to GWO, N7714B is also at PAE undergoing its lease-return heavy check. I'm unsure if it will be ferried elsewhere after the check is complete.

Look for N756SA to likely be the next retirement - probably to GYR.

Most of the eleven -700s to retire this year are owned aircraft. I've heard only three or four will be lease returns. I have no idea why so many owned aircraft are going. I suspect the number of hours/cycles remaining on the frames does not justify the heavy checks they're due, but I have no idea where to get that information. I do however know N700GS just underwent a heavy check at MIA from mid-June to mid-July, so I expect it will be around for some time still.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:56 pm

WN has its next schedule extension on Thursday which will extend WN's flight schedule through April 13, 2020.

My predictions for the upcoming WN schedule extension on Thursday:
  • Resumption of CVG-PHX, DAL-BOS, DAL-HRL, DAL-PDX, DAL-SEA, DAL-PBI, LAX-TPA, MCO-OAK, MCO-SMF, and MCO-SJC nonstop service
  • Increased nonstop service to Florida as the upcoming WN schedule extension will cover the Spring Break travel season
  • Addition of HOU-CZM nonstop service to its flight schedule (HOU-CZM has already been announced by WN in its 7/25/19 earnings call, but hasn't yet been added to the WN flight schedule)
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:12 pm

jplatts wrote:
WN has its next schedule extension on Thursday which will extend WN's flight schedule through April 13, 2020.

My predictions for the upcoming WN schedule extension on Thursday:
  • Resumption of CVG-PHX, DAL-BOS, DAL-HRL, DAL-PDX, DAL-SEA, DAL-PBI, LAX-TPA, MCO-OAK, MCO-SMF, and MCO-SJC nonstop service
  • Increased nonstop service to Florida as the upcoming WN schedule extension will cover the Spring Break travel season
  • Addition of HOU-CZM nonstop service to its flight schedule (HOU-CZM has already been announced by WN in its 7/25/19 earnings call, but hasn't yet been added to the WN flight schedule)

Ah, so we're going ahead with this discussion again.

Well, I have no predictions or real thoughts about this until such time as the MAXs are back in service and things sort themselves out. Hopefully we will see that sometime in 2020...

IMO, everything that's published by WN Network Planning these days is more like a suggestion that will undoubtedly change at least once before its effective date. Not blaming them but it is what it is.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:09 pm

Schedule update is out. Without the route map I didn't look at anything all that close.

STL picks up and extra PUJ/MBJ to 2x weekly over last year. ECP starts earlier.

Curious what others find
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:20 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:10 pm

Daily DSM-DEN flight. I wasn’t expecting that.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:33 pm

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Daily DSM-DEN flight. I wasn’t expecting that.


Finally!! That's awesome and it is on a Max-8 and cheap! Only $89 each way! Weird thing is, the plane spends 1hr 50min in Des Moines. Hmmm....I wonder if there is something else that will be added too, that is a long time!

Jshank83 wrote:
Schedule update is out. Without the route map I didn't look at anything all that close.

STL picks up and extra PUJ/MBJ to 2x weekly over last year. ECP starts earlier.

Curious what others find


Does anybody know the story with the route map and if it will eventually be switched by to dynamic? I really miss that!!

I checked Omaha, several small changes the most interesting, Saturday in March go to 6x daily OMA-PHX! 2 years ago it was 4x daily, last year back to 3x daily I think and now 6x daily on Saturday, rest of the days are 4x daily...+1 from last year. A few other frequency additions for OMA as well.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:35 pm

ATL picks up MEM 2x daily. Very nice adds from WN. Looks like they are fully betting on the MAX returning sometime between now and Spring.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:43 pm

Houston to Cozumel is twice a day.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:51 pm

joeljack wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
Daily DSM-DEN flight. I wasn’t expecting that.


Finally!! That's awesome and it is on a Max-8 and cheap! Only $89 each way! Weird thing is, the plane spends 1hr 50min in Des Moines. Hmmm....I wonder if there is something else that will be added too, that is a long time!

Jshank83 wrote:
Schedule update is out. Without the route map I didn't look at anything all that close.

STL picks up and extra PUJ/MBJ to 2x weekly over last year. ECP starts earlier.

Curious what others find


Does anybody know the story with the route map and if it will eventually be switched by to dynamic? I really miss that!!

I checked Omaha, several small changes the most interesting, Saturday in March go to 6x daily OMA-PHX! 2 years ago it was 4x daily, last year back to 3x daily I think and now 6x daily on Saturday, rest of the days are 4x daily...+1 from last year. A few other frequency additions for OMA as well.

What kind of statement is "6 daily on Saturday"? Is it daily ( every day) , or Sat only?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:16 pm

joeljack wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
Daily DSM-DEN flight. I wasn’t expecting that.


Finally!! That's awesome and it is on a Max-8 and cheap! Only $89 each way! Weird thing is, the plane spends 1hr 50min in Des Moines. Hmmm....I wonder if there is something else that will be added too, that is a long time!

Jshank83 wrote:
Schedule update is out. Without the route map I didn't look at anything all that close.

STL picks up and extra PUJ/MBJ to 2x weekly over last year. ECP starts earlier.

Curious what others find


Does anybody know the story with the route map and if it will eventually be switched by to dynamic? I really miss that!!

I checked Omaha, several small changes the most interesting, Saturday in March go to 6x daily OMA-PHX! 2 years ago it was 4x daily, last year back to 3x daily I think and now 6x daily on Saturday, rest of the days are 4x daily...+1 from last year. A few other frequency additions for OMA as well.


I tweeted with them this week. No plans to bring the map back.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:50 pm

Here's the announcement -

Sep 26, 2019
Southwest Airlines Co. (NYSE: LUV) today extended the carrier's bookable flight schedule through mid-April 2020, bringing new service to beach destinations across the Southwest® map from Hawaii, to Mexico, to Turks & Caicos. This new service is included in the carrier's full flight schedule now available for booking through April 13, 2020, at Southwest.com.

More to the Mayan Riviera: Fly Southwest to Cozumel!

On Saturday, March 7, 2020, subject to government approvals, Southwest will begin twice-daily service roundtrip between Houston (Hobby) and Cozumel with one-way fares from Houston as low as $99 available for purchase today until 11:59 P.M. Pacific Time (see full terms and conditions below). Southwest has served the region for five years via Cancun International Airport, having grown to offer nonstop service in 2019 between 17 cities in the U.S. and Cancun.

"Scuba divers and beach fans long have wished to fly with us to enjoy this underwater paradise," said Bill Tierney, Vice President of Marketing for Southwest. "We'll bring the world-famous Hospitality and value of Southwest to Cozumel while bringing a new beach destination within reach for our Customers, just as we've done before with service to Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, Cabo San Lucas/Los Cabos, the Caribbean, and with our growing service for the Hawaiian Islands."

More flights for Hawaii, some arriving sooner!

The carrier is adding new daily service between Sacramentoand Kahului, Maui, on March 7, 2020, and will also begin flying daily between:

Oakland, Calif. —Lihue, Kauai
Oakland, Calif. —Kona, Island of Hawaii
San Jose, Calif. —Lihue, Kauai
San Jose, Calif. —Kona, Island of Hawaii
"Demand is strong for our Hawaii service and we're not just increasing those routes to daily service for our Customers, we're also moving up our timeline on two routes set to begin in January, and instead will fly them this year," said Adam Decaire, Vice President of Network Planning for Southwest. "Our flights between Sacramento and Honolulu, as well as interisland service between Honolulu and Lihue,Kauai will now begin November 10, 2019."

In celebration of new service among the Islands, Southwest is also offering interisland travel for as low as $29 one-way** from Nov. 12, 2019 through April 8, 2020. Fares are available today through 11:59 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time on Oct. 3, 2019. Travel on these fares is valid only on certain days of the week and seats are limited. Blackout dates apply. Please see complete fare sale rules below.


https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... 0hGu4j3CF8
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:03 pm

737max8 wrote:
The DAL cuts are shocking to me. Thought DAL has been flourishing post WA.

JAX/OKC/SFO gone permanently.

BOS/CHS/CLE/CRP/DTW/HRL/PDX/PHL/SEA/SNA gone seasonally.

Yeah, definitely shocking. Everything you've read is that DAL is going swimmingly, especially with the push early this year to 195 departures on only 17.5 gates.

DAL-SFO permanently and DAL-PDX/SEA seasonally cut are a huge boost to AS who's been struggling at DAL. Of course AS cutting DAL-SJC/SAN were probably also a nice boost to WN and before that last year selling slots to WN and cutting DAL-DCA/LGA were probably also huge boosts.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:21 pm

unmlobo wrote:
737max8 wrote:
The DAL cuts are shocking to me. Thought DAL has been flourishing post WA.

JAX/OKC/SFO gone permanently.

BOS/CHS/CLE/CRP/DTW/HRL/PDX/PHL/SEA/SNA gone seasonally.

Yeah, definitely shocking. Everything you've read is that DAL is going swimmingly, especially with the push early this year to 195 departures on only 17.5 gates.

DAL-SFO permanently and DAL-PDX/SEA seasonally cut are a huge boost to AS who's been struggling at DAL. Of course AS cutting DAL-SJC/SAN were probably also a nice boost to WN and before that last year selling slots to WN and cutting DAL-DCA/LGA were probably also huge boosts.


WN will be resuming DAL-CHS, DAL-ECP, DAL-DTW, and DAL-PHL daily nonstop service on March 7th. WN will also be resuming DAL-CLE Sunday-only nonstop service, starting on March 8th.

DAL-DEN will also be increased to 10 daily nonstops on Sundays starting on March 8th and 9 daily nonstops on weekdays starting on March 9th.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:12 pm

MKE gets a 4th weekday PHX flight, and MKE-PHX is up to 7x on Saturdays -- both are new highs.
MKE-:LAX comes back with this schedule as does Saturday-only MKE-CUN.
I think the rest is status quo except for the permanent loss of the 1x BOS flight which we new about from the previous schedule.

This marks the annual peak for Milwaukee on Southwest, 42x on weekdays. On Saturday in particular there are 32 Southwest departures just to Florida, Arizona, Vegas and Mexico on top of a dozen or so departures to decidedly colder destinations like DCA and DEN.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:37 pm

I haven't looked at all of the high-freq SAN routes but of interest to me is that on lower-freq routes such as BWI, MDW, DEN all see increases in freq's in March while MCO & TPA are back and daily. (Optimistically, it looks like SAN-TPA is still edging toward non-seasonal, year-round service!)

Also, a couple of competitive routes being dropped by AS late this year or early next, such as ELP and OMA, are so far holding up on WN! I'm very happy to see that. We apparently still have 3 seasonal routes that are not yet back on the skeds -- IND, MKE and ORF. Who knows...

And I guess EWR is gone.

And of course I'm thrilled that Hawaii is going so well from the Bay Area that more flights are added and/or moved earlier for their inaugurals! Super... (I know, I know, no SAN-HI 'til the MAXs are flying.)

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:53 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:24 pm

seven3seven wrote:
Hawaiians: You will be assimilated


Ok that sounded bad. I’ll rephrase. The market is changing. Get your Rapid Rewards card now.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:26 pm

Here are the number of passengers and load factors for DAL-SFO/OAK/SJC on WN in 2018:
DAL-SFO - 168690 passengers, 76.79% load factor
DAL-OAK - 159586 passengers, 74.93% load factor
DAL-SJC - 143423 passengers, 81.22% load factor

Here are the number of passengers and load factors for DAL-SFO/OAK/SJC on WN in 2019H1:
DAL-SFO - 82699 passengers, 78.80% load factor
DAL-OAK - 75651 passengers, 75.04% load factor
DAL-SJC - 79161 passengers, 83.56% load factor

I am unsure why WN made the decision to drop DAL-SFO nonstop service if load factors and demand on DAL-SFO was stronger than DAL-OAK or DAL-SJC in 2018. However, WN has focus cities at OAK and SJC, and I can understand WN keeping DAL-OAK and DAL-SJC with WN having a much bigger presence at OAK and SJC than it does at SFO.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:27 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here are the number of passengers and load factors for DAL-SFO/OAK/SJC on WN in 2018:
DAL-SFO - 168690 passengers, 76.79% load factor
DAL-OAK - 159586 passengers, 74.93% load factor
DAL-SJC - 143423 passengers, 81.22% load factor

Here are the number of passengers and load factors for DAL-SFO/OAK/SJC on WN in 2019H1:
DAL-SFO - 82699 passengers, 78.80% load factor
DAL-OAK - 75651 passengers, 75.04% load factor
DAL-SJC - 79161 passengers, 83.56% load factor

I am unsure why WN made the decision to drop DAL-SFO nonstop service if load factors and demand on DAL-SFO was stronger than DAL-OAK or DAL-SJC in 2018. However, WN has focus cities at OAK and SJC, and I can understand WN keeping DAL-OAK and DAL-SJC with WN having a much bigger presence at OAK and SJC than it does at SFO.


Uh, look at those numbers again. SJC had highest LF. SFO had slightly more pax, but at a lower LF. Did they have more flights on SFO-DAL, running more empty? It does seem odd to cut that route completely.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:03 pm

AirFiero wrote:
Uh, look at those numbers again. SJC had highest LF. SFO had slightly more pax, but at a lower LF. Did they have more flights on SFO-DAL, running more empty? It does seem odd to cut that route completely.


While DAL-SJC had higher load factors than DAL-SFO in 2018 and 2019H1, WN carried more passengers on DAL-SFO than on DAL-SJC in 2018 and 2019H1.

WN also increased DAL-SJC from 1 daily nonstop to 2 daily nonstops in April 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:40 pm

I'm actually surprised load factors aren't stronger on the SJC and OAK routes than they are. With focus cities on both ends, I'd expect these flights to be closer to 90%. Is this due to WN trying to keep limited DAL seats reserved for O&D as opposed to filling the seats with more connecting passengers?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:59 am

jplatts wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Uh, look at those numbers again. SJC had highest LF. SFO had slightly more pax, but at a lower LF. Did they have more flights on SFO-DAL, running more empty? It does seem odd to cut that route completely.


While DAL-SJC had higher load factors than DAL-SFO in 2018 and 2019H1, WN carried more passengers on DAL-SFO than on DAL-SJC in 2018 and 2019H1.

WN also increased DAL-SJC from 1 daily nonstop to 2 daily nonstops in April 2018.


Which I indicated.

Was that at the same time AS was running both routes?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:47 am

AirFiero wrote:
jplatts wrote:
WN also increased DAL-SJC from 1 daily nonstop to 2 daily nonstops in April 2018.


Was that at the same time AS was running both routes?


WN increased DAL-SAN and DAL-SJC in April 2018 in order to defend market share against AS in both California and Dallas. AS started DAL-SAN and DAL-SJC nonstop service in February 2018.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:29 am

jplatts wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
jplatts wrote:
WN also increased DAL-SJC from 1 daily nonstop to 2 daily nonstops in April 2018.


Was that at the same time AS was running both routes?


WN increased DAL-SAN and DAL-SJC in April 2018 in order to defend market share against AS in both California and Dallas. AS started DAL-SAN and DAL-SJC nonstop service in February 2018.


Ok, thanks. From this I’d take that yields will improve all around.
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