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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:28 am

Western727 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
Western727 wrote:

That seems a bit odd. Why not do that at the same time and shop as the heavy check, if you're gonna do the check anyway?


Boeing themselves are handling the pickle fork repairs, while ATS at PAE is the MRO contracted for the heavy check. I would assume that once Boeing finds the root cause for the pickle fork issue they will establish a repair and/or replacement procedure that can be taken on by MROs. Until then, we just have to deal with a few inefficiencies, unfortunately.


That makes perfect sense. Thank you, KDAL.


Glad I could help clear it up!
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:15 am

caflyboy wrote:
WN Route Changes November, 2019

SAT: 22- ABQ, ATL, BNA, BWI, CUN, DAL, DEN, ELP, FLL, HOU, LAS, LAX, LGA, MCI, MCO, MDW, MSY, OAK, PHX, SAN, STL, TPA


WN is adding SAT-LGA? I totally missed that announcement.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:56 am

jjbiv wrote:
caflyboy wrote:
WN Route Changes November, 2019

SAT: 22- ABQ, ATL, BNA, BWI, CUN, DAL, DEN, ELP, FLL, HOU, LAS, LAX, LGA, MCI, MCO, MDW, MSY, OAK, PHX, SAN, STL, TPA


WN is adding SAT-LGA? I totally missed that announcement.


That's a seasonal Saturday only route.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:57 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
jjbiv wrote:
caflyboy wrote:
WN Route Changes November, 2019

SAT: 22- ABQ, ATL, BNA, BWI, CUN, DAL, DEN, ELP, FLL, HOU, LAS, LAX, LGA, MCI, MCO, MDW, MSY, OAK, PHX, SAN, STL, TPA


WN is adding SAT-LGA? I totally missed that announcement.


That's a seasonal Saturday only route.


Thank you! I had totally missed that. It looks like it has a strange season: it seems to operate on random Saturdays.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:20 pm

Rumors about Avior Venezuela getting few NG from SW: C/N: 27837 27842 27872 27875 27880 29276 29806 30544
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:57 pm

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Rumors about Avior Venezuela getting few NG from SW: C/N: 27837 27842 27872 27875 27880 29276 29806 30544

Let me take a wild guess. More FL jets being returned to GECAS.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:48 pm

danipawa wrote:
Rumors about Avior Venezuela getting few NG from SW: C/N: 27837 27842 27872 27875 27880 29276 29806 30544


Identities are:
27837 N703SW
27842 N708SW
27872 N756SA
27875 N761RR
27880 N772SW Flight 1380 PHL
29276 N740SW
29806 N766SW
30544 N759GS

All currently reported already [recently] withdrawn from service.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:53 pm

qfatwa wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Rumors about Avior Venezuela getting few NG from SW: C/N: 27837 27842 27872 27875 27880 29276 29806 30544


Identities are:
27837 N703SW
27842 N708SW
27872 N756SA
27875 N761RR
27880 N772SW Flight 1380 PHL
29276 N740SW
29806 N766SW
30544 N759GS

All currently reported already [recently] withdrawn from service.


I can't speak for the others but N759GS was flown to KGWO and has been parted out. There are photos online.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:09 pm

So the SWA fleet is still shrinking?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:09 am

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So the SWA fleet is still shrinking?


Yes but we are in the winter season so it's not much of an issue. If the MAX isn't back before spring break then it'll be a different story.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:31 am

SWADawg wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Rumors about Avior Venezuela getting few NG from SW: C/N: 27837 27842 27872 27875 27880 29276 29806 30544

Let me take a wild guess. More FL jets being returned to GECAS.

Negative. As far as I know, UA picked up all the leases from GECAS. Next one to leave the fleet is tail 7703 in early December. Next one after that won't be until late January. Only the 77xx tails that are leaving are lease returns. Something like 15 or 20 total.

The 7xx tails are all old owned aircraft. The oldest in the fleet, actually. The ones being retired are coming up on D-checks that they don't have the value left to justify.

As I understand it, the ones that went to VCV are likely to go to new homes, whereas the ones that are going elsewhere (like N708SW in GYR and N759GS & N761RR in GWO) are headed to the scrap heap. Some of those at VCV will also likely meet their fate there, as well, if they cannot find new homes.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:57 am

WN732 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
So the SWA fleet is still shrinking?


Yes but we are in the winter season so it's not much of an issue. If the MAX isn't back before spring break then it'll be a different story.

Yeah unfortunately this is a condition of the Max grounding. Many of these frames are simply out of life. And these retirement decisions are made years in advance.

Once the Max is back in the air, the fleet will grow from where it was before the retirements (755 A/C) by several dozen frames. Someone told me there are nearly 40 A/C ready to be delivered from Boeing once the grounding is lifted.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:03 am

Saw N700GS at BNA today. I figure her time is coming to an end soon.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:10 am

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Saw N700GS at BNA today. I figure her time is coming to an end soon.


I remember doing NG qual training touch and goes in her in SMF, circa 1997.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:08 am

barney captain wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Saw N700GS at BNA today. I figure her time is coming to an end soon.


I remember doing NG qual training touch and goes in her in SMF, circa 1997.

She actually had a D-check done back in June/July. That leads me to believe she has some time left in the fleet. It blew my mind that they did it, but I guess she has the cycles left to make it make sense! :o
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:08 pm

KDAL wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
So the SWA fleet is still shrinking?


Yes but we are in the winter season so it's not much of an issue. If the MAX isn't back before spring break then it'll be a different story.

Yeah unfortunately this is a condition of the Max grounding. Many of these frames are simply out of life. And these retirement decisions are made years in advance.

Once the Max is back in the air, the fleet will grow from where it was before the retirements (755 A/C) by several dozen frames. Someone told me there are nearly 40 A/C ready to be delivered from Boeing once the grounding is lifted.

Yes. I know that 7700 tails are FL and 700 tails are WN birds. The poster decided to post Boeing delivery serial numbers, so I was left to guess which tail numbers those were since I was too lazy to look those up. I can’t imagine anyone wanting any 700 tail number -700’s since most of those are over 20 years old and have a ton of cycles. (I know because I put my share of cycles on those birds myself). Interesting though if true that anyone is actually interested in those specific aircraft, but several of our old -300’s were converted to fire tankers, so anything is possible I guess.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:35 pm

KDAL wrote:
barney captain wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Saw N700GS at BNA today. I figure her time is coming to an end soon.


I remember doing NG qual training touch and goes in her in SMF, circa 1997.

She actually had a D-check done back in June/July. That leads me to believe she has some time left in the fleet. It blew my mind that they did it, but I guess she has the cycles left to make it make sense! :o


Crazy, she had just north of 45,000 cycles on her in early June of this year.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:30 pm

Spacepope wrote:
KDAL wrote:
barney captain wrote:

I remember doing NG qual training touch and goes in her in SMF, circa 1997.

She actually had a D-check done back in June/July. That leads me to believe she has some time left in the fleet. It blew my mind that they did it, but I guess she has the cycles left to make it make sense! :o


Crazy, she had just north of 45,000 cycles on her in early June of this year.


What is considered to be the maximum number of cycles for those birds?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:40 am

SWADawg wrote:
KDAL wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Yes but we are in the winter season so it's not much of an issue. If the MAX isn't back before spring break then it'll be a different story.

Yeah unfortunately this is a condition of the Max grounding. Many of these frames are simply out of life. And these retirement decisions are made years in advance.

Once the Max is back in the air, the fleet will grow from where it was before the retirements (755 A/C) by several dozen frames. Someone told me there are nearly 40 A/C ready to be delivered from Boeing once the grounding is lifted.

Yes. I know that 7700 tails are FL and 700 tails are WN birds. The poster decided to post Boeing delivery serial numbers, so I was left to guess which tail numbers those were since I was too lazy to look those up. I can’t imagine anyone wanting any 700 tail number -700’s since most of those are over 20 years old and have a ton of cycles. (I know because I put my share of cycles on those birds myself). Interesting though if true that anyone is actually interested in those specific aircraft, but several of our old -300’s were converted to fire tankers, so anything is possible I guess.

Ah, fair enough! It did seem strange to use their serials as opposed to their tails. Agreed that it seems strange anyone would want those 7xx birds. They've got to have a ridiculous cycle count on them, I suspect far more than the -300s that found new homes. It will be interesting to see what happens to them.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 am

Spacepope wrote:
KDAL wrote:
barney captain wrote:

I remember doing NG qual training touch and goes in her in SMF, circa 1997.

She actually had a D-check done back in June/July. That leads me to believe she has some time left in the fleet. It blew my mind that they did it, but I guess she has the cycles left to make it make sense! :o


Crazy, she had just north of 45,000 cycles on her in early June of this year.

I would have assumed that she had nearly that amount. But she was in PAE for 5 weeks back then which seems like the right amount of time for a D-Check.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm

Next schedule comes out December 11 opening out to Aug 10 2020.
Hopefully by now WN has learned not to add any MAX flying back to the schedule since it's looks like not going to be flying by summer 2020.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:30 pm

Next schedule comes out December 11 opening it out for sale to Aug 10 2020.
Hopefully by now WN has learned not to add any MAX flying back to the schedule since it's looks like not going to be flying by summer 2020.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:24 am

N7703A was ferried to PAE the other day for lease return.

Looks like N764SW is scheduled to retire to VCV tomorrow morning.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:50 am

There is an article on Banyan Hill's website titled "Big Trouble for Big Airlines - Except for 1" (which can be found at https://banyanhill.com/big-trouble-for-big-airlines-buy-southwest/), which said that AA, DL, and UA were in big trouble due to AA, DL, and UA offering discounted economy fares that have more restrictions than similarly priced WN Wanna Get Away fares that have fewer restrictions.

While I agree that WN has competitive advantages over US3 carriers on travel between domestic destinations served by WN (even on some routes not served nonstop by WN that have 1-stop connecting service in both directions on WN), the US3 carriers still serve many destinations (both domestically and internationally) that aren't served by WN. In addition, the US3 carriers have codeshare and interline agreements with foreign carriers that WN doesn't currently have, and the US3 carriers also sell connecting flights to international destinations that are operated by foreign airlines.

WN has recently dropped some nonstop routes that are still served nonstop by at least one US3 carrier, and WN will be dropping a few more nonstop routes in the first half of 2020 that will still be served nonstop by at least one US3 carrier. I agree that there are some domestic routes between destinations served by WN that can support nonstop service on AA, DL, or UA but not on WN, and most of the routes being dropped by WN that are still served nonstop by AA, UA, or DL are out of cities where AA, UA, or DL have a hub.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:21 pm

Summer Extension day. This could be a big one.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:32 pm

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Summer Extension day.

With the MAX grounding its more like what 100 plus flights will they add back and take away again this time!

Rumors had 50 flights leaving MDW for a 50 flight buildup of DEN.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:52 pm

What time will it be extended?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:53 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
What time will it be extended?


It’s usually 7am-9am CST.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:21 pm

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BNAMealer wrote:
What time will it be extended?


It’s usually 7am-9am CST.


PDX, PWN and SJU added for BNA.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:23 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
What time will it be extended?


It’s usually 7am-9am CST.


PDX, PWN and SJU added for BNA.


BNA is on a roll! Those are awesome adds.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:27 pm

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:45 pm

I did notice an increase in some DEN flying. I picked a random Thursday in July and ONT-DEN goes up to 4x daily. I don't think we've seen that before. ONT is still retaining its MDW flight, so that looks like a net increase in ONT as well.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:48 pm

WN732 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:

It’s usually 7am-9am CST.


PDX, PWN and SJU added for BNA.


BNA is on a roll! Those are awesome adds.


PDX is Saturday only. Seasonal?
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:00 pm

jbpdx wrote:
WN732 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:

PDX, PWN and SJU added for BNA.


BNA is on a roll! Those are awesome adds.


PDX is Saturday only. Seasonal?


It all looks Saturday only. That’s odd.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:01 pm

jbpdx wrote:
WN732 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:

PDX, PWN and SJU added for BNA.


BNA is on a roll! Those are awesome adds.


PDX is Saturday only. Seasonal?


PDX - BNA if timed right could be very good for connections all along the eastern seaboard and Florida. Surprised they would not try daily on this. This will probably be the kiss of death for Sun Country on this route if they still plan to fly it.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:30 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
WN732 wrote:

BNA is on a roll! Those are awesome adds.


PDX is Saturday only. Seasonal?


It all looks Saturday only. That’s odd.


All of those new stations for BNA are Saturday only. I am a little surprised PDX isn't more
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:12 pm

I'm seeing a lot of 737MAX8 flights on this schedule extension. They're going to be in a world of hurt if it's not flying by the summer.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:12 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

PDX is Saturday only. Seasonal?


It all looks Saturday only. That’s odd.


All of those new stations for BNA are Saturday only. I am a little surprised PDX isn't more


I thought PDX would be daily, but I’ll bet they’ll up it eventually once the MAX returns.

Did BNA get any frequency increases?
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:19 pm

There are some good ones in this schedule release:

Atlanta
Effective June 7, 2020, Southwest will fly seasonal service daily between:
Atlanta and Charleston, S.C.
Atlanta and Panama City, Fla.
Atlanta and Norfolk, Va.
With these new additions, the carrier will operate 135 weekday departures during the summer, the most weekday flights ever offered by Southwest from Atlanta.

Baltimore/Washington
Effective June 7, 2020, the carrier will add seasonal service between:
Baltimore/Washington and Pensacola, Fla.
Baltimore/Washington and Tulsa, OK
Southwest's summer schedule from Baltimore now will peak at 248 weekday departures, an increase of 11 flights. This is also the most departures the carrier has ever offered Baltimore travelers.

Chicago
Southwest is strengthening its position at Chicago Midway by adding flights across routes already served. The summer schedule will see the carrier offering up to 260 flights, an increase of 14 flights.

Denver
The carrier is adding flight frequencies in Denver to give travelers more options. In May, the airline will operate 240 weekday departures before increasing weekday departures to 249 in June, the most flights Southwest has ever operated from Denver.

Houston (Hobby)
Southwest is expanding its international options from Houston with nonstop service seasonally between Houston and Nassau, The Bahamas, available on Saturdays beginning June 13, 2020, subject to requisite government approvals. This will be the carrier's second announcement of new international destinations from Houston this year, as it previously announced twice-daily service between Houston and Cozumel will begin on March 7, 2020, subject to requisite governmental approvals. The carrier is also adding flights on routes already served from Houston to offer 191 weekday departures in summer 2020.

Nashville
In Nashville, the carrier is adding several new destinations with nonstop service on Saturdays seasonally between:
Nashville and Portland, Maine
Nashville and San Juan, Puerto Rico
Nashville and Portland, Ore.

Finally, Southwest also will offer new seasonal service linking Kansas City, Mo. and Charleston, S.C. The Saturday-only service will begin June 13, 2020.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:21 pm

I am really glad that WN is finally adding ATL-ECP. That is a very large market and I am glad that WN has decided to take on DL at ECP.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:23 pm

And to some posters on here, I thought WN wasn't working out in ATL and was about to tear down their operation? Apparently not.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:24 pm

dbo861 wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of 737MAX8 flights on this schedule extension. They're going to be in a world of hurt if it's not flying by the summer.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.
Don't add any MAX stuff until it's released back
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:29 pm

Here's the link to the pr at SWA.com:

https://www.swamedia.com/releases/relea ... st-10-2020

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:20 pm

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Rumors had 50 flights leaving MDW for a 50 flight buildup of DEN.

Flyguy


That was a clear miss in this schedule extension.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:48 pm

I've done a quick look at many of SAN's skeds and even though there's nothing terribly major, there are a few changes:
> looks like WN is dropping 2 SAN routes - MKE and GEG. MKE was very marginal so not too surprising and it looks like AS has successfully chased WN off GEG;
> WN is remaining at only a single daily r/t to PDX and SEA so I'd say AS has defended those 2 major routes from SAN pretty well; WN does retain BOI service while AS is going daily-double on the route next year;
> I'm happy to see WN continuing ELP and OMA even though the competition (AS) has left both of those markets;
> SAN-BWI remains at triple-daily for almost all-year and IND and ORF service return as this last summer;
> Hawaii service remains as single daily r/t to both HNL and OGG with no sign of additional service to KOA or LIH.
> SAN-SJC remains at 16 weekday r/t, with SMF not far behind; with AS in both markets as well, there are plenty of seats in those markets!

Overall, nothing earthshaking but, considering the cloud of the grounded MAXs, nothing horrible either. Of course, we'll see what happens to these skeds once they are in effect next June.

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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:53 pm

SANFan wrote:
I've done a quick look at many of SAN's skeds and even though there's nothing terribly major, there are a few changes:
> looks like WN is dropping 2 SAN routes - MKE and GEG. MKE was very marginal so not too surprising and it looks like AS has successfully chased WN off GEG;
> WN is remaining at only a single daily r/t to PDX and SEA so I'd say AS has defended those 2 major routes from SAN pretty well; WN does retain BOI service while AS is going daily-double on the route next year;
> I'm happy to see WN continuing ELP and OMA even though the competition (AS) has left both of those markets;
> SAN-BWI remains at triple-daily for almost all-year and IND and ORF service return as this last summer;
> Hawaii service remains as single daily r/t to both HNL and OGG with no sign of additional service to KOA or LIH.
> SAN-SJC remains at 16 weekday r/t, with SMF not far behind; with AS in both markets as well, there are plenty of seats in those markets!

Overall, nothing earthshaking but, considering the cloud of the grounded MAXs, nothing horrible either. Of course, we'll see what happens to these skeds once they are in effect next June.

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GEG seems to come and go every time the wind shifts. It'll be back in a few years.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:17 pm

We got the adds, now what are the cuts? SAN-GEG, SAN-MKE...anything else?

It seems Southwest has found a niche in ATL, cutting some routes and adding others. They seem stable enough.
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:21 pm

Just a side note - AUS-RDU is still in the schedule after being cut right after the MAX debacle started. It is initially scheduled to be on a MAX8 but will switch to a -700 so therefore it will hopefully return at the very least in June should the MAX still be grounded.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:34 pm

MKE-SAN was Saturday-only last summer, not back this summer. A bigger YOY change to the West is MKE-SFO is only 2x/week from last summer's 7x/week. MKE-California continues to languish.

Four year-over-year additions offset the seat loss to SFO and (previously-announced) BOS/LGA cuts:

MKE-BWI 4x (3x last summer)
MKE-STL 3x (2x last summer)
MKE-HOU 2x (1x last summer)
MKE-ATL 3x (2x last summer)

The one potential positive about being flat year-over-year is that these additions to BWI/STL/HOU/ATL may be more durable and continue on. The daily MKE-SFO trip would probably end in early August anyway. Southwest continues to play to their strengths here instead and moves further away from the old AirTran markets. More flights to Southwest de facto hubs isn't a bad thing. For the airport, of course, getting more CA nonstops is undoubtedly high on the wish list.

Assuming the MAX are back in summer as planned I think YOY capacity will be up based on aircraft type, nearly 50/50 between 175 and 143 seat aircraft with this new schedule. Perhaps later I will have a chance to work through the weekend schedules to see how things look.
 
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Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Rumors had 50 flights leaving MDW for a 50 flight buildup of DEN.

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That was a clear miss in this schedule extension.

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Southwest is strengthening its position at Chicago Midway by adding flights across routes already served. The summer schedule will see the carrier offering up to 260 flights, an increase of 14 flights.


Ya I didn't see it happening either.
But looking over the schedule MDW and DEN will take a Huge Hit should the MAX8 grounding pushes into August 2020.

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