Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

gsg013 · Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:34 pm

Fargo wrote:
TangoCharlie123 wrote:
dafunk10 wrote:
WN’s EWR-BNA route will be cut in Nov.....sounds like bad long term news for the MAX, and will continue to stifle WN’s growth plans at BNA in 2019

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/25/southwe ... nding.html

At this point I wonder if an airline like DL, who has designated BNA as a focus city and doesn’t have the MAX baggage, could get creative and take advantage with their direct flights/operations here....they certainly don’t appear to be in any hurry to add destinations

Has Delta added any routes or upgauged any routes since naming Nashville a focus city?

No, and other than TATL and maybe AUS, I don’t think they will. Once this MAX issue gets resolved, WN will resume growing BNA and it will be hard for DL to launch p2p routes.

As DL has been adding A220's to compete with UA and AA on routes to/from a fortress hub I could see DL trying BNA-EWR-BNA on an A220. This could be a good opening as NW pulls out of the market and suck some of that capacity along with giving UA a good run for their money.
What are other people's thoughts on this?

TangoCharlie123 · Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:22 pm

gsg013 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
TangoCharlie123 wrote:

Has Delta added any routes or upgauged any routes since naming Nashville a focus city?

No, and other than TATL and maybe AUS, I don’t think they will. Once this MAX issue gets resolved, WN will resume growing BNA and it will be hard for DL to launch p2p routes.

As DL has been adding A220's to compete with UA and AA on routes to/from a fortress hub I could see DL trying BNA-EWR-BNA on an A220. This could be a good opening as NW pulls out of the market and suck some of that capacity along with giving UA a good run for their money.
What are other people's thoughts on this?

I doubt DL would fly an A220 BNA-EWR when they don’t even fly mainline from BNA-LGA/JFK.

AVLAirlineFreq · Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:52 pm

I wonder how many of WN's passengers on BNA-EWR were headed to or coming from the east side of the Hudson versus New Jersey.

Fargo · Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:28 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
I wonder how many of WN's passengers on BNA-EWR were headed to or coming from the east side of the Hudson versus New Jersey.

I don’t know, but just having LGA will be fine. EWR is congested and inefficient so I’m not sad to see it go. Once the MAX fiasco is over, BNA will see plenty of growth and new destinations from WN.

caflyboy · Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:42 am

BNA used to be my home airport decades ago. I thought it would be a a.net geeks activity to compare service from 1999 to 2019, 2 decades later. My first encounter with BNA was in 1981 when I used to sit at the rose garden in the old BNA and watch planes... Here are the comparison charts:

Network carriers(and affiliated commuters) 1999:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=den-bna-iad;clt-bna-phl;pit-bna-dca;ind-bna-lit;ord-bna-dfw;lax-bna-mia;lga-bna-rdu;iah-bna-cle;atl-bna-cvg;dfw-bna-sdf;mco-bna-mke;dtw-bna-mem;msp-bna-stl&DU=mi

Network carriers 2019:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=msn-bna-atl;bos-bna-cun;dtw-bna-lax;msp-bna-jfk;lga-bna-mco;rdu-bna-slc;sea-bna-clt;ord-bna-dfw;mia-bna-phl;dca-bna-den;iah-bna-ewr;sfo-bna-iad

Southwest 1999:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange;aus-bna-bwi;bhm-bna-mdw;cle-bna-cmh;dtw-bna-fll;hou-bna-jax;mci-bna-las;isp-bna-lax;mht-bna-msy;oak-bna-mco;phx-bna-pvd;rdu-bna-sat;san-bna-sea;bna-tpa

Southwest 2019:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange;atl-bna-aus-bna-bwi;bos-bna-bur-bna-cun-bna-chs-bna-clt-bna-mdw;cle-bna-cmh;dal-bna-den;dtw-bna-fll;rsw-bna-hou-bna-jax;mci-bna-las;mke-bna-lax;msp-bna-msy;lga-bna-okc-bna-oak-bna-mco;oma-bna-ecp;pns-bna-phl;phx-bna-pit;rdu-bna-sat;san-bna-sea;sjc-bna-stl;dca-bna-tpa&MS=wls2

Low cost/ULCC/Unaffiliated commuter/International Carriers 1999:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:blue;gpt-bna-yyz-bna-atl

Low cost/Unaffiliated commuter/International Carriers 2019:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:blue;lhr-bna-yyz-bna-yyc-bna-bos-bna-fll-bna-tup-bna-mem&MS=wls2

ULCC 2019:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:purple;xna-bna-cid-bna-grr-bna-cle-bna-syr;abe-bna-mdt;ric-bna-sav;sfb-bna-pie;srq-bna-pgd;vps-bna-myr;pvd-bna-msp;pdx-bna-lax;rsw-bna-mia;bwi-bna-fll;las-bna-mco;msy-bna-tpa;den-bna-phl-bna-phx-bna-ttn&MS=wls2

Interesting.... what do you think?

BNAMealer · Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:16 pm

Hello everyone.

First post here, I live in the Nashville area and I have to say things are truly wild at the airport right now. WN and DL is looking to expand, new ULCC's are moving in and massive construction that will continue for the next decade is underway. What a time to be alive!

I do have some questions. What can we realistically expect from WN and DL going forward? For you WN insiders, are they really going to make BNA on par with their largest stations in MDW, DEN, BWI, LAS, DAL, etc, or will it be just under that? Also, is DL going to add any direct flights out of BNA beyond hubs and focus cities, and will they add a flight to Paris?

caflyboy · Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:08 pm

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange;ewr-bna-orf;atl-bna-aus-bna-bwi;bos-bna-bur-bna-cun-bna-chs-bna-clt-bna-mdw;cle-bna-cmh;dal-bna-den;dtw-bna-fll;rsw-bna-hou-bna-jax;mci-bna-las;mke-bna-lax;msp-bna-msy;lga-bna-okc-bna-oak-bna-mco;oma-bna-ecp;pns-bna-phl;phx-bna-pit;rdu-bna-sat;san-bna-sea;sjc-bna-stl;dca-bna-tpa&MS=wls2

Missed two cities on the WN 2019 map

Cubsrule · Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:02 am

caflyboy wrote:
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange;ewr-bna-orf;atl-bna-aus-bna-bwi;bos-bna-bur-bna-cun-bna-chs-bna-clt-bna-mdw;cle-bna-cmh;dal-bna-den;dtw-bna-fll;rsw-bna-hou-bna-jax;mci-bna-las;mke-bna-lax;msp-bna-msy;lga-bna-okc-bna-oak-bna-mco;oma-bna-ecp;pns-bna-phl;phx-bna-pit;rdu-bna-sat;san-bna-sea;sjc-bna-stl;dca-bna-tpa&MS=wls2

Missed two cities on the WN 2019 map

I think you may also be missing TRI on the 1999 map. 3C flew it around that time period.

EvanWSFO · Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:22 pm

Fargo wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
I wonder how many of WN's passengers on BNA-EWR were headed to or coming from the east side of the Hudson versus New Jersey.

I don’t know, but just having LGA will be fine. EWR is congested and inefficient so I’m not sad to see it go. Once the MAX fiasco is over, BNA will see plenty of growth and new destinations from WN.

This would be the second time they've stopped EWR. I have seen lots of comments about WN being weak in NYC. Perhaps so, but dropping EWR probably won't affect WN in BNA. Until the MAX returns, I doubt growth can happen. Once it's sorted , then I think they add a few flights around the construction.

TangoCharlie123 · Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:24 pm

Has anyone taken the AC BNA-->YYZ route? Would there be any reason to arrive earlier at the airport than what I usually do?

Cubsrule · Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:18 pm

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
Has anyone taken the AC BNA-->YYZ route? Would there be any reason to arrive earlier at the airport than what I usually do?

No. You'll need to see an agent either at the ticket counter or at the gate for passport verification before boarding, but that hardly takes any time.

InopGauge · Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:59 pm

Just out of curiosity, are they planning on putting a hydrant fueling system / hydrant pits on the new D Concourse?

TangoCharlie123 · Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:28 pm

AA is expanding their Five Star Service to BNA--a service they previously only offered almost exclusively at their hubs. They're also adding the service in Austin, so either they're targeting Delta's focus city expansion, or they're targeting the music industry. Perhaps both.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-expand ... -airports/

BNAMealer · Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:58 pm

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
AA is expanding their Five Star Service to BNA--a service they previously only offered almost exclusively at their hubs. They're also adding the service in Austin, so either they're targeting Delta's focus city expansion, or they're targeting the music industry. Perhaps both.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-expand ... -airports/

This is shocking, considering AA hasn’t done much of anything here as of late.

reednavy · Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:02 pm

Maybe its a signal AA may actually do something to get more capacity and such to BNA? Surely the Envoy contract is up soon, renegotiated, or something, because there's no excuse for their lack of action besides adding some capacity on a couple routes, namely CLT and PHL.

EvanWSFO · Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:20 pm

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
AA is expanding their Five Star Service to BNA--a service they previously only offered almost exclusively at their hubs. They're also adding the service in Austin, so either they're targeting Delta's focus city expansion, or they're targeting the music industry. Perhaps both.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-expand ... -airports/

AA caved in to the music industry back when they considered dropping the LAX flights. But that was way before the boom began.

BNAMealer · Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:25 am

reednavy wrote:
Maybe its a signal AA may actually do something to get more capacity and such to BNA? Surely the Envoy contract is up soon, renegotiated, or something, because there's no excuse for their lack of action besides adding some capacity on a couple routes, namely CLT and PHL.

If AA wants to better compete in the market, they need to do the following in the short term

A) Make DFW all mainline again
B) Make CLT all mainline
C) Get regular mainline on ORD, not these one occasional mainline frequencies every few months
D) Add PHX

Longer term, they will need to renovate the Admirals Club, but perhaps if they move concourses in the future, they can simply build a new one. I read previously some were speculating WN could take all of C and D when, is that confirmed or just speculation?

southwest1675 · Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:05 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
reednavy wrote:
Maybe its a signal AA may actually do something to get more capacity and such to BNA? Surely the Envoy contract is up soon, renegotiated, or something, because there's no excuse for their lack of action besides adding some capacity on a couple routes, namely CLT and PHL.

If AA wants to better compete in the market, they need to do the following in the short term

A) Make DFW all mainline again
B) Make CLT all mainline
C) Get regular mainline on ORD, not these one occasional mainline frequencies every few months
D) Add PHX

Longer term, they will need to renovate the Admirals Club, but perhaps if they move concourses in the future, they can simply build a new one. I read previously some were speculating WN could take all of C and D when, is that confirmed or just speculation?

WN taking the rest of C is just speculation. However if they really wanna turn BNA into a 200 daily departures station, AA would move into the new A Concourse and WN would take their old gates on C.

BNAMealer · Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:16 am

Has anyone heard anything more about DL launching a transatlantic flight from BNA soon?

southwest1675 · Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:03 pm

Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

Jshank83 · Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:10 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

I was surprised they cut back all their winter routes. Glad to hear those are doing better.

southwest1675 · Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:18 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

I was surprised they cut back all their winter routes. Glad to hear those are doing better.

I think some of that has to do with the lack of airplanes. They wanna use them somewhere else.

DakotaFlyer · Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:22 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

Really surprised SWA did not respond by restarting PVD. I recall them flying that route not too long ago

Jshank83 · Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:47 pm

DakotaFlyer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

Really surprised SWA did not respond by restarting PVD. I recall them flying that route not too long ago

They don't exactly have a lot of capacity to add routes at the moment.

BNAMealer · Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:16 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
DakotaFlyer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Heard Sun Country is doing pretty well at BNA. The LAX and PVD flights are a hit.

Really surprised SWA did not respond by restarting PVD. I recall them flying that route not too long ago

They don't exactly have a lot of capacity to add routes at the moment.

I expect more aggressiveness from them here once the 737MAX issues are resolved and they can get back into growth mode.

southwest1675 · Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:53 pm

Once that D Concourse opens, and the MAX gets back in the air, we should see some additional growth from WN.

BNAMealer · Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:15 am

Take this with a grain of salt, but someone edited the BNA Wikipedia page stating CDG will be starting May 20, 2020. It’s since been reverted, but do you think DL TATL service will be announced soon?

southwest1675 · Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:53 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Take this with a grain of salt, but someone edited the BNA Wikipedia page stating CDG will be starting May 20, 2020. It’s since been reverted, but do you think DL TATL service will be announced soon?

It was probably some 15 year old that was bored. lol

dafunk10 · Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:12 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Take this with a grain of salt, but someone edited the BNA Wikipedia page stating CDG will be starting May 20, 2020. It’s since been reverted, but do you think DL TATL service will be announced soon?

It was probably some 15 year old that was bored. lol

Looks like they removed BNA as a DL focus city also.

BNAMealer · Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:21 pm

dafunk10 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Take this with a grain of salt, but someone edited the BNA Wikipedia page stating CDG will be starting May 20, 2020. It’s since been reverted, but do you think DL TATL service will be announced soon?

It was probably some 15 year old that was bored. lol

Looks like they removed BNA as a DL focus city also.

Well since their operation doesn’t resemble a traditionally defined focus city right now, it shouldn’t be.

reednavy · Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:32 pm

So if the airline actually defines BNA as a "focus city" but the operational "does not meet the definition", it shouldn't be? That makes no sense.

This was probably the same idiot that kept insisting on NOT having DFW listed under American Eagle service as a CRJ7 was being used to "supplement" for mainline but listed on AA.com as the aircraft for one flight per day.

BNAMealer · Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:47 pm

reednavy wrote:
So if the airline actually defines BNA as a "focus city" but the operational "does not meet the definition", it shouldn't be? That makes no sense.

This was probably the same idiot that kept insisting on NOT having DFW listed under American Eagle service as a CRJ7 was being used to "supplement" for mainline but listed on AA.com as the aircraft for one flight per day.

DL’s definition of a focus city is not clearly defined, but it appears it doesn’t match the same one Wikipedia uses. I don’t care, but I wouldn’t slap the focus city label on the articles until some actual p2p flying starts out of these stations.

southwest1675 · Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:41 pm

Looks like Cape Air will be flying to BNA under an EAS contract?

gsg013 · Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:36 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Looks like Cape Air will be flying to BNA under an EAS contract?

What is the destination of the Cape Air flight from BNA?

Jshank83 · Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:52 pm

gsg013 wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Looks like Cape Air will be flying to BNA under an EAS contract?

What is the destination of the Cape Air flight from BNA?

Owensboro, KY and Marion, IL but DOT still has to approve. I would think they will though. Also will flight to those airports from STL.

southwest1675 · Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:02 am

Also looks like AA is adding a mainline flight to DCA starting 9/4.

BNAMealer · Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:38 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Also looks like AA is adding a mainline flight to DCA starting 9/4.

Surprised they are doing that, but yet they can’t get a consistent mainline flight to ORD

TangoCharlie123 · Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:06 am

Anyone know what the deal is with the planes sitting by the cargo terminal in the old Virgin America livery? Are they just waiting to be repainted?

ilovelamp · Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:36 pm

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
Anyone know what the deal is with the planes sitting by the cargo terminal in the old Virgin America livery? Are they just waiting to be repainted?

It’s not Virgin America. It’s Virgin Australia. The former was white lettering on red tails; the latter is red lettering on white tails. They’ve been there for years. Someone may have more exact reasons but my assumption has always been they are waiting for new owners or are being parted out.

ILL

EvanWSFO · Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:04 pm

OK...somewhat off topic but in regards to AA in Nashville. I'm flying them for the first time in 6 years BNA-DFW-BNA in October. Insanely cheap ticket after miles used. Has their service gotten any better or is it going to be a long two hours?

BNAMealer · Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:07 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
OK...somewhat off topic but in regards to AA in Nashville. I'm flying them for the first time in 6 years BNA-DFW-BNA in October. Insanely cheap ticket after miles used. Has their service gotten any better or is it going to be a long two hours?

Don’t know. I’ll be doing BNA-ORD-PHX/PHX-DFW-BNA in September so I’ll let you know, lol.

Seriously, why no AA BNA-PHX.........

BNAMealer · Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:11 pm

Another record breaking month. 1.67 million in July.

https://www.flynashville.com/news-and-media/press-releases/Pages/july19-numbers.aspx

I wonder when we’ll see another air service announcement?

Jshank83 · Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:42 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Another record breaking month. 1.67 million in July.

https://www.flynashville.com/news-and-media/press-releases/Pages/july19-numbers.aspx

I wonder when we’ll see another air service announcement?

Southwest opens more schedule tomorrow. But Jan/Feb usually doesn’t have many adds. Plus the MAX issues. So we’ll see

southwest1675 · Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:06 pm

I think BNA could use an ABQ flight. I’d use it.

dfdubflyer · Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:09 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
OK...somewhat off topic but in regards to AA in Nashville. I'm flying them for the first time in 6 years BNA-DFW-BNA in October. Insanely cheap ticket after miles used. Has their service gotten any better or is it going to be a long two hours?

That’s my most flown route!

It will feel almost identical to Southwest but for about an inch less legroom, a biscoff or pretzels rather than peanuts, and more streaming entertainment (but less live TV). If you ask nicely they’ll still give you the full can of soda.

Lexy · Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:01 am

BNAMealer wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
OK...somewhat off topic but in regards to AA in Nashville. I'm flying them for the first time in 6 years BNA-DFW-BNA in October. Insanely cheap ticket after miles used. Has their service gotten any better or is it going to be a long two hours?

Don’t know. I’ll be doing BNA-ORD-PHX/PHX-DFW-BNA in September so I’ll let you know, lol.

Seriously, why no AA BNA-PHX.........

It’s pointless. PHX offers nothing.

BNAMealer · Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:07 am

Lexy wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
OK...somewhat off topic but in regards to AA in Nashville. I'm flying them for the first time in 6 years BNA-DFW-BNA in October. Insanely cheap ticket after miles used. Has their service gotten any better or is it going to be a long two hours?

Don’t know. I’ll be doing BNA-ORD-PHX/PHX-DFW-BNA in September so I’ll let you know, lol.

Seriously, why no AA BNA-PHX.........

It’s pointless. PHX offers nothing.

It provides competition for WN and it allows for some connections in the west that aren’t as convenient via DFW.

AUS, RDU, MSY, IND, CVG and even in-state rival MEM has PHX, I don’t see why BNA can’t. And no, it wouldn’t hurt LAX, there is plenty of O&D to LAX to keep flights going there.

Lexy · Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:11 am

Well I can tell you from experience, there isn’t much traffic to PHX from here on AA. It drops yields and bottoms out fares.

BNAMealer · Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:18 am

Lexy wrote:
Well I can tell you from experience, there isn’t much traffic to PHX from here on AA. It drops yields and bottoms out fares.

As do a lot of routes. Would you say the same thing if WN were to start, say BNA-SLC?

I don’t see an issue here.

EvanWSFO · Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:14 am

southwest1675 wrote:
I think BNA could use an ABQ flight. I’d use it.

I have friends who fly WN to ABQ via DAL (maybe other cnx points too) several times a year. They would love it. A daily flight ought to work for Southwest.

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