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Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:46 am

G4 is adding BNA-GPT/ATW/DSM in February
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:42 am

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G4 is adding BNA-GPT/ATW/DSM in February


BNA-DSM I think will do well. ValuJet did GPT from BNA at one point.
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:41 pm

Allegiant adding seasonal service between BNA and DSM, ATW, and GPT.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant ... d-florida/

Edit: Woops, didn’t see that this was already posted.
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:06 pm

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G4 is adding BNA-GPT/ATW/DSM in February


BNA-DSM I think will do well. ValuJet did GPT from BNA at one point.

And now ValuJet is back on it :D
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:43 pm

Though it’s only 2x weekly seasonal flights, G4 sure seems interested in BNA. How many flights a day will they have next year?
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:59 pm

Nashville to Asheville is another potential add I could see from G4.
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:13 pm

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Nashville to Asheville is another potential add I could see from G4.




Fully understand that (ATL withstanding) short hops aren’t their thing, but WN would be smart to enter AVL via BNA given the tourist draw and with the largest private employer’s parent company now located in Nashville. G4 isn’t going the move the needle on corporate travel.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:48 am

I was again looking over the plans posted last week regarding the master plan, and now I have to ask if it is really necessary to build the proposed 3 gate expansion onto D and reconfigure B so an additional gate can be squeezed onto A? The next phase of work is already going to be an expensive endeavor and they could save some money by skipping out on those parts.

Unless WN is willing to pony up for those three extra gates on D, I say skip em and focus on building the satellite and rebuilding A, then start planning for Terminal 2.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:58 am

As lovely as N-ville is...what is the tourist lure from DSM & ATW? Winter in the mid-south, tho not as harsh as IA/WI, is still winter.

GPT will be interesting. Probably timed to make 2 or 3 days gambling junkets possible without the 9 hours drive.
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:11 pm

CID-BNA was successful in its first year and was actually extended. DSM is two hours down the road and culturally similar enough. My assumption is that whatever is attracting Cedar Rapidians to Nashville would attract people from Des Moines too. G4 must feel the same way.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:26 am

The inner "fan-boy" is coming out of me, but considering we do have some reasons to be excited at BNA, here is my 2020 wish list:

BDL, TUS, ABQ, and year round to PDX. Another TATL announcement as well?
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:23 am

I'm personally hoping for a FAR-BNA flight. It would pull from the ND,SD, MN and Winnipeg area. Realize the odds are closer to nil than slim, but would certainly help me out.
 
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:43 am

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I'm personally hoping for a FAR-BNA flight. It would pull from the ND,SD, MN and Winnipeg area. Realize the odds are closer to nil than slim, but would certainly help me out.


Considering G4 seems to be having success at BNA, you just never know...
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Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:31 am

Noticed Alaska has been flying 175s between PDX and BNA recently. Not sure if they’re testing the range for a potential flight, or they’re coming in for maintenance.
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:20 am

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Noticed Alaska has been flying 175s between PDX and BNA recently. Not sure if they’re testing the range for a potential flight, or they’re coming in for maintenance.


Probably just taking them to Embraer for maintenance. I couldn’t imagine airlines would need to fly test flights like that.
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:39 am

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Noticed Alaska has been flying 175s between PDX and BNA recently. Not sure if they’re testing the range for a potential flight, or they’re coming in for maintenance.


Probably just taking them to Embraer for maintenance. I couldn’t imagine airlines would need to fly test flights like that.


A 175 would probably be sub-optimal for such a relatively long flight. BNA-PDX is a little farther than STL-SFO. It was mentioned in another thread that United Express E75s would sometimes take big payload hits going westbound STL-SFO against stronger headwinds, especially during the winter months.
 
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:39 am

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-tran ... ll-tr.aspx WN President Tom Nealon mentions growth in Nashville during the Q3 2019 earnings call.
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:29 pm

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https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2019/10/24/southwest-airlines-co-luv-q3-2019-earnings-call-tr.aspx WN President Tom Nealon mentions growth in Nashville during the Q3 2019 earnings call.


Probably won’t see significant growth until new gates come online in the next round of expansion.

Has it been confirmed how many gates they’ll have net after D opens?
 
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2019/10/24/southwest-airlines-co-luv-q3-2019-earnings-call-tr.aspx WN President Tom Nealon mentions growth in Nashville during the Q3 2019 earnings call.


Probably won’t see significant growth until new gates come online in the next round of expansion.

Has it been confirmed how many gates they’ll have net after D opens?


They’re getting all 6 on D, then losing 13,14 to AA, and 15 and 17 to JetBlue and Alaska. That’s what I was told at least. We may not lose those until the new IAB construction starts though. 16 gates after losing 4 to other carriers, 20 if we don’t lose them after all. We’ll probably have an idea by summer.
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:30 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2019/10/24/southwest-airlines-co-luv-q3-2019-earnings-call-tr.aspx WN President Tom Nealon mentions growth in Nashville during the Q3 2019 earnings call.


Probably won’t see significant growth until new gates come online in the next round of expansion.

Has it been confirmed how many gates they’ll have net after D opens?


They’re getting all 6 on D, then losing 13,14 to AA, and 15 and 17 to JetBlue and Alaska. That’s what I was told at least. We may not lose those until the new IAB construction starts though. 16 gates after losing 4 to other carriers, 20 if we don’t lose them after all. We’ll probably have an idea by summer.


Since WN is in growth mode, MNAA ought to make AA give up a gate temporarily since they really don’t need 7. Also, AS/B6 can share a gate since they only operate a few flights a day each.
 
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Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:48 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
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Probably won’t see significant growth until new gates come online in the next round of expansion.

Has it been confirmed how many gates they’ll have net after D opens?


They’re getting all 6 on D, then losing 13,14 to AA, and 15 and 17 to JetBlue and Alaska. That’s what I was told at least. We may not lose those until the new IAB construction starts though. 16 gates after losing 4 to other carriers, 20 if we don’t lose them after all. We’ll probably have an idea by summer.


Since WN is in growth mode, MNAA ought to make AA give up a gate temporarily since they really don’t need 7. Also, AS/B6 can share a gate since they only operate a few flights a day each.


Still a lot of unknowns, but I’m sure the MNAA and WN are in talks. August 2020 is when D is supposed to be operational. WN ordered some more ramp equipment for 6 new gates.
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:09 am

It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?
 
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It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?


Decent chance, but not until the new IAB comes online. BNA doesn’t have a gate at the moment that can do anything bigger than a 787-9. All the more reason BNA Vision needs to pick up the pace.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:45 am

BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
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Probably won’t see significant growth until new gates come online in the next round of expansion.

Has it been confirmed how many gates they’ll have net after D opens?


They’re getting all 6 on D, then losing 13,14 to AA, and 15 and 17 to JetBlue and Alaska. That’s what I was told at least. We may not lose those until the new IAB construction starts though. 16 gates after losing 4 to other carriers, 20 if we don’t lose them after all. We’ll probably have an idea by summer.


Since WN is in growth mode, MNAA ought to make AA give up a gate temporarily since they really don’t need 7. Also, AS/B6 can share a gate since they only operate a few flights a day each.


Do the airlines lease the gates? Might be tough to get them to give up a gate early if they know that means more competition. Might depend on what kind of payout they can get to agree to end the lease early.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:10 am

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?


Is the route still 5x weekly in the winter on the 787-8?
 
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TangoCharlie123 wrote:
It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?


Is the route still 5x weekly in the winter on the 787-8?


Right now, Yes.
 
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They’re getting all 6 on D, then losing 13,14 to AA, and 15 and 17 to JetBlue and Alaska. That’s what I was told at least. We may not lose those until the new IAB construction starts though. 16 gates after losing 4 to other carriers, 20 if we don’t lose them after all. We’ll probably have an idea by summer.


Since WN is in growth mode, MNAA ought to make AA give up a gate temporarily since they really don’t need 7. Also, AS/B6 can share a gate since they only operate a few flights a day each.


Do the airlines lease the gates? Might be tough to get them to give up a gate early if they know that means more competition. Might depend on what kind of payout they can get to agree to end the lease early.


Not sure exactly how the gate assignment process works, but my understanding is AA’s 7th gate is really just there for overflow. If true, they don’t need it during construction and could give it up. Furthermore, some of the airlines that have less than daily flights or only 1-2 flights a day (G4, F9, SY, AS) could double up temporarily or even use hardstands. WN needs the gate space and they shouldn’t have to give up 4 gates overall for 3 years.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:12 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
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Since WN is in growth mode, MNAA ought to make AA give up a gate temporarily since they really don’t need 7. Also, AS/B6 can share a gate since they only operate a few flights a day each.


Do the airlines lease the gates? Might be tough to get them to give up a gate early if they know that means more competition. Might depend on what kind of payout they can get to agree to end the lease early.


Not sure exactly how the gate assignment process works, but my understanding is AA’s 7th gate is really just there for overflow. If true, they don’t need it during construction and could give it up. Furthermore, some of the airlines that have less than daily flights or only 1-2 flights a day (G4, F9, SY, AS) could double up temporarily or even use hardstands. WN needs the gate space and they shouldn’t have to give up 4 gates overall for 3 years.


They still might have the gates leased though. I know airlines that have 1 or 2 flights a day at some airports and have the gates under contract. They aren't going to give them up or share unless they get something out of it. They might not want to share if they have certain times they want those 2 flights and it is the same time the other airline wants their couple flights. WN isn't really giving up gates are they? They are just being moved to different gates. They don't lose gates.
 
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Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:42 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
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Do the airlines lease the gates? Might be tough to get them to give up a gate early if they know that means more competition. Might depend on what kind of payout they can get to agree to end the lease early.


Not sure exactly how the gate assignment process works, but my understanding is AA’s 7th gate is really just there for overflow. If true, they don’t need it during construction and could give it up. Furthermore, some of the airlines that have less than daily flights or only 1-2 flights a day (G4, F9, SY, AS) could double up temporarily or even use hardstands. WN needs the gate space and they shouldn’t have to give up 4 gates overall for 3 years.


They still might have the gates leased though. I know airlines that have 1 or 2 flights a day at some airports and have the gates under contract. They aren't going to give them up or share unless they get something out of it. They might not want to share if they have certain times they want those 2 flights and it is the same time the other airline wants their couple flights. WN isn't really giving up gates are they? They are just being moved to different gates. They don't lose gates.


With BNA’s new IAB to break ground next year, AA and DL will both be losing 2 of their gates as the new IAB extends outwards taking up space where gates B1, B2, C2, C3 are. Delta has B, AA has C. BNA is already out of gate space, and losing gates for those carriers are supposedly a blow. Southwest may have to temporarily give up 2-4 gates to make up space. Delta would take JetBlue and Alaska’s gates on B, and AA would at least want 1 back I’m sure. It all depends how the MNAA determines everything. With the new D Concouse opening, WN still gains 2 gates if they give up 4 to take care of AA, B6, and AS. 4 is a lot of gates, and I doubt they’ll give all 4 up. WN paid good money for C13 and 14. I have a hard time thinking they’re just gonna hand them back to the competition.
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Not sure exactly how the gate assignment process works, but my understanding is AA’s 7th gate is really just there for overflow. If true, they don’t need it during construction and could give it up. Furthermore, some of the airlines that have less than daily flights or only 1-2 flights a day (G4, F9, SY, AS) could double up temporarily or even use hardstands. WN needs the gate space and they shouldn’t have to give up 4 gates overall for 3 years.


They still might have the gates leased though. I know airlines that have 1 or 2 flights a day at some airports and have the gates under contract. They aren't going to give them up or share unless they get something out of it. They might not want to share if they have certain times they want those 2 flights and it is the same time the other airline wants their couple flights. WN isn't really giving up gates are they? They are just being moved to different gates. They don't lose gates.


With BNA’s new IAB to break ground next year, AA and DL will both be losing 2 of their gates as the new IAB extends outwards taking up space where gates B1, B2, C2, C3 are. Delta has B, AA has C. BNA is already out of gate space, and losing gates for those carriers are supposedly a blow. Southwest may have to temporarily give up 2-4 gates to make up space. Delta would take JetBlue and Alaska’s gates on B, and AA would at least want 1 back I’m sure. It all depends how the MNAA determines everything. With the new D Concouse opening, WN still gains 2 gates if they give up 4 to take care of AA, B6, and AS. 4 is a lot of gates, and I doubt they’ll give all 4 up. WN paid good money for C13 and 14. I have a hard time thinking they’re just gonna hand them back to the competition.


Exactly. I can’t imagine netting only 2 gates for 3 years is what WN wants if they have major growth plans. My guess is in any scenario, they’ll end up with at least 18 gates overall.
 
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They still might have the gates leased though. I know airlines that have 1 or 2 flights a day at some airports and have the gates under contract. They aren't going to give them up or share unless they get something out of it. They might not want to share if they have certain times they want those 2 flights and it is the same time the other airline wants their couple flights. WN isn't really giving up gates are they? They are just being moved to different gates. They don't lose gates.


With BNA’s new IAB to break ground next year, AA and DL will both be losing 2 of their gates as the new IAB extends outwards taking up space where gates B1, B2, C2, C3 are. Delta has B, AA has C. BNA is already out of gate space, and losing gates for those carriers are supposedly a blow. Southwest may have to temporarily give up 2-4 gates to make up space. Delta would take JetBlue and Alaska’s gates on B, and AA would at least want 1 back I’m sure. It all depends how the MNAA determines everything. With the new D Concouse opening, WN still gains 2 gates if they give up 4 to take care of AA, B6, and AS. 4 is a lot of gates, and I doubt they’ll give all 4 up. WN paid good money for C13 and 14. I have a hard time thinking they’re just gonna hand them back to the competition.


Exactly. I can’t imagine netting only 2 gates for 3 years is what WN wants if they have major growth plans. My guess is in any scenario, they’ll end up with at least 18 gates overall.


They could cram 180 daily departures with 18 gates. With the 14 now, they run roughly 138 in the summer.
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It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?


I'd say close to none. BNA doesn't have the demand to fill that large of an aircraft.
 
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It looks like BA will begin introducing the 787-10 with the new club suite product into their fleet in Q1 2020 starting with the LHR-ATL route. What are the chances we see one of these planes in Nashville considering BA’s success on the LHR-BNA route?


I'd say close to none. BNA doesn't have the demand to fill that large of an aircraft.


Premium seat wise, it’s not that much more than the 787-9. I actually think this will be the perfect plane for the route in a couple of years as demand grows.
 
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Tomorrow night is the next open house for the BNA Master Plan. It is from 5-8 pm at the One Century Place Conference Center (off Briley Parkway across I-40 from the airport).

I would encourage anyone who can to attend. I will be there, and I will try to get some info about the timing of the next gate expansions and specific info on WN/DL plans (which are key to any further expansion).
 
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They still might have the gates leased though. I know airlines that have 1 or 2 flights a day at some airports and have the gates under contract. They aren't going to give them up or share unless they get something out of it. They might not want to share if they have certain times they want those 2 flights and it is the same time the other airline wants their couple flights. WN isn't really giving up gates are they? They are just being moved to different gates. They don't lose gates.


With BNA’s new IAB to break ground next year, AA and DL will both be losing 2 of their gates as the new IAB extends outwards taking up space where gates B1, B2, C2, C3 are. Delta has B, AA has C. BNA is already out of gate space, and losing gates for those carriers are supposedly a blow. Southwest may have to temporarily give up 2-4 gates to make up space. Delta would take JetBlue and Alaska’s gates on B, and AA would at least want 1 back I’m sure. It all depends how the MNAA determines everything. With the new D Concouse opening, WN still gains 2 gates if they give up 4 to take care of AA, B6, and AS. 4 is a lot of gates, and I doubt they’ll give all 4 up. WN paid good money for C13 and 14. I have a hard time thinking they’re just gonna hand them back to the competition.


Exactly. I can’t imagine netting only 2 gates for 3 years is what WN wants if they have major growth plans. My guess is in any scenario, they’ll end up with at least 18 gates overall.



My understanding from our GM.. AA will take gates ..8..10.11.12..13..14..15 and 17. We will drop 2..3 and 5 and 6 when IAB construction starts as some of those gates will. E tow in/tow our during construction. Not something AA will do.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:55 pm

Just talked to a higher up WN ramp supervisor. They’re losing 13, 14, 15, 17. Alaska and JetBlue are gonna share B8, and DL picks up B6.
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Just talked to a higher up WN ramp supervisor. They’re losing 13, 14, 15, 17. Alaska and JetBlue are gonna share B8, and DL picks up B6.


That’s not right. AA should give up a gate or two.

Will they regain at least two of those when the IAB is finished?
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:32 pm

Does anyone know with any certainty the number of gates WN is ultimately planning for? Not the "they should take all of C and D" kinda thing. An actual number of gates.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:48 pm

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Does anyone know with any certainty the number of gates WN is ultimately planning for? Not the "they should take all of C and D" kinda thing. An actual number of gates.


After losing 4 on C, and the opening of the D Concourse, they’ll have 16 gates. They currently have 14. Not sure what the plans are after the new IAB is finished. Also, the ramp supervisor said there’s so much unknown with WN and their growth in Nashville. He said there will be 150 flights once the MAX is back online though. Take this info with a grain of salt. These guys don’t know what they’re talking about half the time from my experiences in this industry. All that info came out of a reliable source this morning.
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:13 pm

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Does anyone know with any certainty the number of gates WN is ultimately planning for? Not the "they should take all of C and D" kinda thing. An actual number of gates.


After losing 4 on C, and the opening of the D Concourse, they’ll have 16 gates. They currently have 14. Not sure what the plans are after the new IAB is finished. Also, the ramp supervisor said there’s so much unknown with WN and their growth in Nashville. He said there will be 150 flights once the MAX is back online though. Take this info with a grain of salt. These guys don’t know what they’re talking about half the time from my experiences in this industry. All that info came out of a reliable source this morning.


Is the crew base coming online next year?

I assume they’ll gain back 1-2 gates once the IAB is finished.
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:40 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
Does anyone know with any certainty the number of gates WN is ultimately planning for? Not the "they should take all of C and D" kinda thing. An actual number of gates.


After losing 4 on C, and the opening of the D Concourse, they’ll have 16 gates. They currently have 14. Not sure what the plans are after the new IAB is finished. Also, the ramp supervisor said there’s so much unknown with WN and their growth in Nashville. He said there will be 150 flights once the MAX is back online though. Take this info with a grain of salt. These guys don’t know what they’re talking about half the time from my experiences in this industry. All that info came out of a reliable source this morning.

Hmmmm it’s almost like that 150 number had been mentioned on here before ..... :lol: I will say that the MAX groundings have stunted growth a bit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see around 130-135 on certain days and 150 on Sundays. That 138 number was what was being run on Sundays.
 
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Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:51 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
ZazuPIT wrote:
Does anyone know with any certainty the number of gates WN is ultimately planning for? Not the "they should take all of C and D" kinda thing. An actual number of gates.


After losing 4 on C, and the opening of the D Concourse, they’ll have 16 gates. They currently have 14. Not sure what the plans are after the new IAB is finished. Also, the ramp supervisor said there’s so much unknown with WN and their growth in Nashville. He said there will be 150 flights once the MAX is back online though. Take this info with a grain of salt. These guys don’t know what they’re talking about half the time from my experiences in this industry. All that info came out of a reliable source this morning.


Is the crew base coming online next year?

I assume they’ll gain back 1-2 gates once the IAB is finished.


That would be a question for the station manager, but nobody likes talking to him. You don’t see him around often.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:43 am

Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.

2. The representatives there were very vague on future gate allocation. No one seemed to be aware of any specific WN plans.

3. The location of a future Terminal 2 keeps flip flopping between east of Donelson Pike and south of the current terminal.

Overall, it was basically a rehash of what was said in March.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:55 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.

2. The representatives there were very vague on future gate allocation. No one seemed to be aware of any specific WN plans.

3. The location of a future Terminal 2 keeps flip flopping between east of Donelson Pike and south of the current terminal.

Overall, it was basically a rehash of what was said in March.


How many people showed up?
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:58 am

southwest1675 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.

2. The representatives there were very vague on future gate allocation. No one seemed to be aware of any specific WN plans.

3. The location of a future Terminal 2 keeps flip flopping between east of Donelson Pike and south of the current terminal.

Overall, it was basically a rehash of what was said in March.


How many people showed up?


There were a fair amount, but I was there between 6:30-7:30 so I didn’t see who went through the whole time.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:58 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.



This was a flawed idea from the start. I get the thinking but the execution and implementation would not go well. No one would want to use buses. Probably a smart move to scrap it. Better of working towards another real terminal if they really need it.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:02 am

Jshank83 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.



This was a flawed idea from the start. I get the thinking but the execution and implementation would not go well. No one would want to use buses. Probably a smart move to scrap it. Better of working towards another real terminal if they really need it.


Yeah, I’m kind of relieved it got eliminated. If you can’t do a bridge/tunnel (they looked at doing that, but it would’ve been an engineering/operational nightmare), it’s not worth it. Eliminating it also helps cut down on the cost of the next phase so fees don’t go up as much. The priority needs to be rebuilding A.

WN will likely still have anywhere from 24-28 gates when the expansion is done and that’s plenty for a 200+ flight station.
 
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:06 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Updates from the Master Plan Open House

1. The satellite concourse has been dropped for now, that space will be used as hardstands when A is rebuilt, which is the top priority for BNA Vision Phase 2. It was too costly and the airport wasn’t thrilled about using buses.



This was a flawed idea from the start. I get the thinking but the execution and implementation would not go well. No one would want to use buses. Probably a smart move to scrap it. Better of working towards another real terminal if they really need it.


Yeah, I’m kind of relieved it got eliminated. If you can’t do a bridge/tunnel (they looked at doing that, but it would’ve been an engineering/operational nightmare), it’s not worth it. Eliminating it also helps cut down on the cost of the next phase so fees don’t go up as much. The priority needs to be rebuilding A.

WN will likely still have anywhere from 24-28 gates when the expansion is done and that’s plenty for a 200+ flight station.


I believe a proper rebuild of A would set BNA well for the future. Southwest getting the rest of C one day isn’t out of the picture in my opinion. AA would obviously get the new A facilities with UA and potential other carriers.
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Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:54 am

After D, the A rebuild, and the IAB are all complete, that will be a total of 68 gates. The satellite concourse would be an additional 8 gates bringing that total to 76. The board decided that 76 is too many for now, they didn't feel like busses to a satellite concourse would provide the level of service desired, and A can be rebuilt in the same amount of time it will take to build the satellite concourse. Want a tunnel to the proposed satellite concourse? Add $60 million

Several A gates will close while a temp passenger holding facility is built off A to service the 8 hard stands, that will occupy the area proposed for the satellite concourse. The gate/facility for the BA flight will be maintained until the IAB is online, of course. New A construction can begin between the road and the existing A, allowing A to stay online. Step 1 is to fill the hole/slope off of A; and that is expected to begin in March

The Delta Lounge is currently in design and will be built on the apron level

Environmental studies will begin in the Spring for the 2L expansion. Preliminary design, FAA approval, Murfreesboro Rd tunnel extension (and alternative proposal) will all be included in that process and is expected to take 18 months to 2 years to complete. Hopefully not 3 years, as there are no expected issues. Fill requirements might be on the scale of a million cubic yards, that will be a challenge, some will come from the tunnel extension. The hope is to have metro and TDOT on board and ready to go at that time. Utilities are needed for the airport (unrelated to the 2L project) that must come down Murfreesboro Rd. The hope is that can be coordinated to be done in preparation for the tunnel extension. The airport authority expects to pay for the tunnel project. Apparently, many of the properties that must be acquired are rental properties owned by one person. The hope is eminent domain will not be required. Of course, no property acquisition until studies and all approvals are completed

Widening of B was a proposal that was dropped from the master plan, but could still be implemented in the future

Of note, the parking garage IS designed and built to support the weight of a light rail line. There are a set of concrete slabs that would be removed and some of the top amenities deck impacted that would allow service to, practically, the front door of the airport

New terminal and future runway, still prefer off Donelson/I-40 between 2R and future runway. Will pursue a 12k foot runway if/when built. This is planned for but is not even considered a remote possibility in our lifetime (unless we become a major hub)

No additional flight to Europe is planned until the BA flight has had 2 years to establish itself. Numbers to London where at 220+ when BA agreed to establish service. That number is now 400+ daily. Nobody would tell, but sure seems like the future Delta metal rumor has legs

Numbers to TYO are 68, 88 for Asia, and 122 when adding China. It is a bit difficult for me to believe those numbers are that low. Check back in 5 years, I guess

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