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Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 pm

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Interesting info regarding the Sky Club expansion.

https://www.flynashville.com/about/Documents/Board%20Docs/2019/Committee/Minutes/2019.08.14%20FAP%20Minutes.pdf (see page 4)

DL wants to increase the space to a whopping 15,000 sf and it should be ready to go by Spring 2021.

My guess is DL will announce TATL service next year and launch it in 2021 if that is the case.




interesting.....I wonder if they changed their mind and are adding back the SkyDeck....15,000 feet would probably be top 10 in size across the DL network...it's hard to visualize where all of that added square footage will go (out vs. up).....for reference, the new main SC in Seattle is 21,000 sq ft (and the 5th largest in the network), new AUS SC is at 9,000, and RDU is 5,600


Was a SkyDeck ever even in the plans to begin with? I'm sure DL will be releasing a News Hub release regarding this sometime soon.
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:39 pm

Would DL expand the SkyClub by 5x's for just O&D operations? Are DL connections at BNA in the future?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 pm

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Would DL expand the SkyClub by 5x's for just O&D operations? Are DL connections at BNA in the future?


Who knows. From rumblings I have heard about DL's ''focus city" operation, BNA will just be seeing frequency increases and equipment upgrades. I think a few routes on Skywest CRJs could work. Maybe CVG comes back?
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:03 pm

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Would DL expand the SkyClub by 5x's for just O&D operations? Are DL connections at BNA in the future?


Who knows. From rumblings I have heard about DL's ''focus city" operation, BNA will just be seeing frequency increases and equipment upgrades. I think a few routes on Skywest CRJs could work. Maybe CVG comes back?


There’s no need for DL direct flights. With WN potentially turning BNA into a fortress station, they’d get killed. But DL will be a solid 2nd with frequency/capacity increases, an expanded Sky Club and TATL.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:14 am

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southwest1675 wrote:
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Would DL expand the SkyClub by 5x's for just O&D operations? Are DL connections at BNA in the future?


Who knows. From rumblings I have heard about DL's ''focus city" operation, BNA will just be seeing frequency increases and equipment upgrades. I think a few routes on Skywest CRJs could work. Maybe CVG comes back?


There’s no need for DL direct flights. With WN potentially turning BNA into a fortress station, they’d get killed. But DL will be a solid 2nd with frequency/capacity increases, an expanded Sky Club and TATL.


I could very well be wrong on this but I think DL could make headwinds against WN if they wanted to. If DL offered a good enough network from BNA including TATL (which WN can’t offer) I think they could pull a good chunk of business traffic away. Biggest issue for DL is they don’t fly (or hub) enough big cities like DC/SFO/ORD/DEN/etc. To offer flights to ATL/SLC/MSP isn’t going to cut it. I think WN will have trouble making BNA a fortress station because other carriers will put enough seats to BNA to keep it from happening.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:15 am

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Who knows. From rumblings I have heard about DL's ''focus city" operation, BNA will just be seeing frequency increases and equipment upgrades. I think a few routes on Skywest CRJs could work. Maybe CVG comes back?


There’s no need for DL direct flights. With WN potentially turning BNA into a fortress station, they’d get killed. But DL will be a solid 2nd with frequency/capacity increases, an expanded Sky Club and TATL.


I could very well be wrong on this but I think DL could make headwinds against WN if they wanted to. If DL offered a good enough network from BNA including TATL (which WN can’t offer) I think they could pull a good chunk of business traffic away. Biggest issue for DL is they don’t fly (or hub) enough big cities like DC/SFO/ORD/DEN/etc. To offer flights to ATL/SLC/MSP isn’t going to cut it. I think WN will have trouble making BNA a fortress station because other carriers will put enough seats to BNA to keep it from happening.


WN is by far the largest carrier at BNA and is only going to grow bigger. The eventual plan is for WN to take all of C and D, given them as many as 28 gates (plus the CUTE international gates). DL doesn’t have enough gates to do a ton of p2p flying in BNA like RDU and they’d lose a lot of money doing it. Plus, ATL is only a 50 minute plane ride away. I think simply expanding frequency/upgauging to hubs and adding TATL will make DL a solid #2 and the legacy of choice.

Considering gate space at BNA is at a premium, there is not much other carriers can do to prevent WN from significantly building up ops.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:48 am

For DL to challenge wn, they would have to make the kind of financial commitment that they are making in Sea and Bos. Which I think is quite unlikely and they don't have the gates for it. And it makes no sense with atl right down the road.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:01 am

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For DL to challenge wn, they would have to make the kind of financial commitment that they are making in Sea and Bos. Which I think is quite unlikely and they don't have the gates for it. And it makes no sense with atl right down the road.


Exactly. They don’t need that kind of presence here. Not worth it. If you want to fly on DL to major business markets, take a short hop down to ATL.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:41 pm

I guess it is just hard for me to believe that all the other airlines are just going to stand by and say sure, WN you can have all these new gates. We are good. We don’t want to expand in a market exploding like it is.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:42 pm

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I guess it is just hard for me to believe that all the other airlines are just going to stand by and say sure, WN you can have all these new gates. We are good. We don’t want to expand in a market exploding like it is.


I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:17 pm

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I guess it is just hard for me to believe that all the other airlines are just going to stand by and say sure, WN you can have all these new gates. We are good. We don’t want to expand in a market exploding like it is.


I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.


It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?
 
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What does that have to do with Nashville?
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:30 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
I guess it is just hard for me to believe that all the other airlines are just going to stand by and say sure, WN you can have all these new gates. We are good. We don’t want to expand in a market exploding like it is.


I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.


It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?


I can’t give away too much to describe my ties with WN at BNA, but I have been told from reputable sources that WN taking the rest of C when the new A Concourse is built, will be the plan. Next summer, WN will pick up their 6 new Concourse D Gates. They’ll temporarily lose C13, C14 to AA, C15 to Alaska, and C17 to JetBlue. This is because of the new IAB/lobby construction taking shape in late 2020.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:37 pm

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I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.


It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?


I can’t give away too much to describe my ties with WN at BNA, but I have been told from reputable sources that WN taking the rest of C when the new A Concourse is built, will be the plan. Next summer, WN will pick up their 6 new Concourse D Gates. They’ll temporarily lose C13, C14 to AA, C15 to Alaska, and C17 to JetBlue. This is because of the new IAB/lobby construction taking shape in late 2020.


Any word on if WN will help expedite the proposed 3 gate expansion on D? That could probably be done with minimal disruption.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:42 pm

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It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?


I can’t give away too much to describe my ties with WN at BNA, but I have been told from reputable sources that WN taking the rest of C when the new A Concourse is built, will be the plan. Next summer, WN will pick up their 6 new Concourse D Gates. They’ll temporarily lose C13, C14 to AA, C15 to Alaska, and C17 to JetBlue. This is because of the new IAB/lobby construction taking shape in late 2020.


Any word on if WN will help expedite the proposed 3 gate expansion on D? That could probably be done with minimal disruption.


Not sure what the company wants to do regarding that. If BNA turns into another MDW or BWI, there’s no doubt they’d end up adding 3 gates. That’s another 30 daily departures right there.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:42 pm

JShank83 - some here believe BNA is destined to be a WN "fortress hub" as WN builds up BNA and decreases or flatlines ATL. This announces new WN service between MEM-ATL. Might mean nothing in re BNA or ATL.....but it is a fact.

Related...would suspect there is a lot of travel between Nashville and Memphis....might be the #1 destination for all travelers in each of those cities. It is 212 miles between the 2.

For reference Nashville to Atlanta is 248 miles; IND to Chicago is 186 miles; WN flies both routes. Why not BNA-MEM?
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:45 pm

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JShank83 - some here believe BNA is destined to be a WN "fortress hub" as WN builds up BNA and decreases or flatlines ATL. This announces new WN service between MEM-ATL. Might mean nothing in re BNA or ATL.....but it is a fact.

Related...would suspect there is a lot of travel between Nashville and Memphis....might be the #1 destination for all travelers in each of those cities. It is 212 miles between the 2.

For reference Nashville to Atlanta is 248 miles; IND to Chicago is 186 miles; WN flies both routes. Why not BNA-MEM?


Competition with Delta. Wouldn’t surprise if the business community asked for a cheaper alternative to ATL. Also, AirTran flew the route.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:08 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
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JShank83 - some here believe BNA is destined to be a WN "fortress hub" as WN builds up BNA and decreases or flatlines ATL. This announces new WN service between MEM-ATL. Might mean nothing in re BNA or ATL.....but it is a fact.

Related...would suspect there is a lot of travel between Nashville and Memphis....might be the #1 destination for all travelers in each of those cities. It is 212 miles between the 2.

For reference Nashville to Atlanta is 248 miles; IND to Chicago is 186 miles; WN flies both routes. Why not BNA-MEM?


Competition with Delta. Wouldn’t surprise if the business community asked for a cheaper alternative to ATL. Also, AirTran flew the route.


The addition of MEM-ATL says that there’s a lot more potential O&D on the city pair than on MEM-BNA. That isn’t surprising. Atlanta is much larger than Nashville and is the cultural and economic capital of the southeast, and MEM-BNA is an easy drive, three hours downtown to downtown pretty much all the time.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:09 pm

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Jshank83 wrote:
I guess it is just hard for me to believe that all the other airlines are just going to stand by and say sure, WN you can have all these new gates. We are good. We don’t want to expand in a market exploding like it is.


I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.


It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?


I never said they should not, but we are talking 3-5 years down the line before the work on A is complete. So WN taking C and D is a bit premature.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:53 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
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EvanWSFO wrote:

I agree. I may be wrong, but has the airport or WN even said they get all of C & D? AA still has to have gates, and the CUTE gates won't be enough. Definitely same as DL is they are going to grow into an actual "focus city". With the next expansion of A still a ways off, I can see 20ish gates for WN, but will be interesting to see.


It hasn’t been officially confirmed yet, but WN will be taking all of D when it opens and the rest of C when A is rebuilt. They are building crew areas and a operations center in the bottom of the new D (ask southwest1675 for more info on this). Doug recently visited WN’s HQ in Dallas.

Why shouldn’t WN get all of C and D? Who else is going to add the amount of nonstop flights like WN has and continues to?


I never said they should not, but we are talking 3-5 years down the line before the work on A is complete. So WN taking C and D is a bit premature.


I likewise never said it was going to be next year, but once A is rebuilt. Like southwest1675 said, they will take D and temporarily give up 4 gates on C until the IAF is completed. They won't have the whole of C until A is rebuilt in the mid-2020's. In the meantime, once the dust settles on the current work, WN should have 18-19 gates and a new crew base at BNA.

I have a good feeling the A rebuild will be expedited to commence as soon as the current Vision work is completed, it is already needed.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:17 pm

I wonder how the IAF building will be utilized. Nashville will never need 6 international capable gates.
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:22 pm

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I wonder how the IAF building will be utilized. Nashville will never need 6 international capable gates.


I wouldn't say never. Some of those might be used as double jetways for bigger aircraft like the 77W/A359 (though it will be quite a while before BNA sees a plane like that on a regular basis). Plus, if WN sets up BNA as a base, you can bet we'll see some more Latin America routes.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:31 pm

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I wonder how the IAF building will be utilized. Nashville will never need 6 international capable gates.


Hopefully they will all be CUTE gates. I really can't see more than 3 TATL flights ever from BNA, perhaps a flight to TYO. Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America all have flights that are doable on WN should they choose to go this route, which I think they will.
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:45 pm

AA will be taking over C13..14..15 and 17 when the new IAB construction starts as they will loose C2..3..5 and 6.
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:44 pm

Southwest has been very strategic here. Given the slow down in Florida and slight decline in Atlanta and rapid growth in Nashville. It's pretty clear how they look at Nashville. Too bad they don't do tatl flight. Hard to capture all the corporate demand without that.
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:36 pm

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Southwest has been very strategic here. Given the slow down in Florida and slight decline in Atlanta and rapid growth in Nashville. It's pretty clear how they look at Nashville. Too bad they don't do tatl flight. Hard to capture all the corporate demand without that.


That's why they need to codeshare like AS does. Imagine the possibilities if they codeshared.
 
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Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:12 pm

For anyone intersted these are the frequencies on WN for March

m-f Sat Sun
aus 3 3 4
atl 5 3 2
bwi 6 5 6
BOS 4 2 2
CHS 1 1 3
CLT 2 1 2
mdw 6 4 7
cle 2 2 3
cmh 2 2 2
dal 6 5 6
den 6 6 5
dtw 3 2 1
fll 5 8 7
hou 4 3 5
jax 3 3 3
mci 4 3 4
las 3 4 4
lax 3 2 3
mke 2 2 2
msp 2 1 1
msy 4 3 5
lga 4 3 4
oak 1 1 1
mco 5 12 9
ecp 2 4 2
pns 2 2 2
phl 3 1 2
phx 4 4 4
pit 2 1 3
rdu 3 2 3
sat 3 2 2
san 2 2 2
stl 4 2 3
tpa 5 7 8
dca 4 3 4
sea 0 0 0
cun 0 1 0
okc 1 1 1
buf 0 1 0
sjc 1 1 1
Orf 0 0 1
oma 0 0 1
Burbank 1 1 1


Total 123 116 131
increase +13 na +17
 
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For anyone intersted these are the frequencies on WN for March

m-f Sat Sun
aus 3 3 4
atl 5 3 2
bwi 6 5 6
BOS 4 2 2
CHS 1 1 3
CLT 2 1 2
mdw 6 4 7
cle 2 2 3
cmh 2 2 2
dal 6 5 6
den 6 6 5
dtw 3 2 1
fll 5 8 7
hou 4 3 5
jax 3 3 3
mci 4 3 4
las 3 4 4
lax 3 2 3
mke 2 2 2
msp 2 1 1
msy 4 3 5
lga 4 3 4
oak 1 1 1
mco 5 12 9
ecp 2 4 2
pns 2 2 2
phl 3 1 2
phx 4 4 4
pit 2 1 3
rdu 3 2 3
sat 3 2 2
san 2 2 2
stl 4 2 3
tpa 5 7 8
dca 4 3 4
sea 0 0 0
cun 0 1 0
okc 1 1 1
buf 0 1 0
sjc 1 1 1
Orf 0 0 1
oma 0 0 1
Burbank 1 1 1


Total 123 116 131
increase +13 na +17


Is 20 combined Saturday flights to FLL and MCO unusual or is that normal? Hourly flights to Orlando seems Atlanta-ish.
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:24 pm

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tphuang wrote:
Southwest has been very strategic here. Given the slow down in Florida and slight decline in Atlanta and rapid growth in Nashville. It's pretty clear how they look at Nashville. Too bad they don't do tatl flight. Hard to capture all the corporate demand without that.


That's why they need to codeshare like AS does. Imagine the possibilities if they codeshared.


WN is unlikely to codeshare anytime soon. Their ubiquitous use of open seating model would only cause chaos among TATL passengers. It is difficult to see a first or business class passenger transferring to a WN flight. I feel it is still difficult to see, although not impossible, even a standard economy passenger transferring to a WN flight. WNs "no frills" pricing and seating is at the core of their business model.

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it.
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:30 pm

usscvr wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Southwest has been very strategic here. Given the slow down in Florida and slight decline in Atlanta and rapid growth in Nashville. It's pretty clear how they look at Nashville. Too bad they don't do tatl flight. Hard to capture all the corporate demand without that.


That's why they need to codeshare like AS does. Imagine the possibilities if they codeshared.


WN is unlikely to codeshare anytime soon. Their ubiquitous use of open seating model would only cause chaos among TATL passengers. It is difficult to see a first or business class passenger transferring to a WN flight. I feel it is still difficult to see, although not impossible, even a standard economy passenger transferring to a WN flight. WNs "no frills" pricing and seating is at the core of their business model.

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it.


Help me out with how a coach passenger flying LHR-BWI-BNA with a transfer to WN at BWI has an appreciably different or worse experience than a coach passenger flying LHR-IAD-BNA on UA.
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:17 pm

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BNAMealer wrote:

That's why they need to codeshare like AS does. Imagine the possibilities if they codeshared.


WN is unlikely to codeshare anytime soon. Their ubiquitous use of open seating model would only cause chaos among TATL passengers. It is difficult to see a first or business class passenger transferring to a WN flight. I feel it is still difficult to see, although not impossible, even a standard economy passenger transferring to a WN flight. WNs "no frills" pricing and seating is at the core of their business model.

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it.


Help me out with how a coach passenger flying LHR-BWI-BNA with a transfer to WN at BWI has an appreciably different or worse experience than a coach passenger flying LHR-IAD-BNA on UA.


There is none. This is a common myth spread here on a.net about WN codesharing and frankly, it's getting old. Open seating doesn't make a lick of difference, if it did, WN wouldn't be used at all by business travelers. WN could easily codeshare with overseas carriers and it would be very successful.
 
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pdt2f wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
For anyone intersted these are the frequencies on WN for March

m-f Sat Sun
aus 3 3 4
atl 5 3 2
bwi 6 5 6
BOS 4 2 2
CHS 1 1 3
CLT 2 1 2
mdw 6 4 7
cle 2 2 3
cmh 2 2 2
dal 6 5 6
den 6 6 5
dtw 3 2 1
fll 5 8 7
hou 4 3 5
jax 3 3 3
mci 4 3 4
las 3 4 4
lax 3 2 3
mke 2 2 2
msp 2 1 1
msy 4 3 5
lga 4 3 4
oak 1 1 1
mco 5 12 9
ecp 2 4 2
pns 2 2 2
phl 3 1 2
phx 4 4 4
pit 2 1 3
rdu 3 2 3
sat 3 2 2
san 2 2 2
stl 4 2 3
tpa 5 7 8
dca 4 3 4
sea 0 0 0
cun 0 1 0
okc 1 1 1
buf 0 1 0
sjc 1 1 1
Orf 0 0 1
oma 0 0 1
Burbank 1 1 1


Total 123 116 131
increase +13 na +17


Is 20 combined Saturday flights to FLL and MCO unusual or is that normal? Hourly flights to Orlando seems Atlanta-ish.


I didn’t keep track of Saturday flights last year but I do remember BNA-MCO being double digits for March because it surprised me at the time. 10 or 11. So it’s not a big jump to 12.
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:08 am

Jshank83 wrote:
pdt2f wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
For anyone intersted these are the frequencies on WN for March

m-f Sat Sun
aus 3 3 4
atl 5 3 2
bwi 6 5 6
BOS 4 2 2
CHS 1 1 3
CLT 2 1 2
mdw 6 4 7
cle 2 2 3
cmh 2 2 2
dal 6 5 6
den 6 6 5
dtw 3 2 1
fll 5 8 7
hou 4 3 5
jax 3 3 3
mci 4 3 4
las 3 4 4
lax 3 2 3
mke 2 2 2
msp 2 1 1
msy 4 3 5
lga 4 3 4
oak 1 1 1
mco 5 12 9
ecp 2 4 2
pns 2 2 2
phl 3 1 2
phx 4 4 4
pit 2 1 3
rdu 3 2 3
sat 3 2 2
san 2 2 2
stl 4 2 3
tpa 5 7 8
dca 4 3 4
sea 0 0 0
cun 0 1 0
okc 1 1 1
buf 0 1 0
sjc 1 1 1
Orf 0 0 1
oma 0 0 1
Burbank 1 1 1


Total 123 116 131
increase +13 na +17


Is 20 combined Saturday flights to FLL and MCO unusual or is that normal? Hourly flights to Orlando seems Atlanta-ish.


I didn’t keep track of Saturday flights last year but I do remember BNA-MCO being double digits for March because it surprised me at the time. 10 or 11. So it’s not a big jump to 12.



Spring break is in March, so makes sense for that much frequency for FLL/MCO
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:46 pm

Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:15 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?

I think it’s just seasonal if I remember correctly. Unless that has changed.
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:09 pm

[i]
BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?
[/i]

Last flight Nov. 4, returns Apr 20
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... t-shakeup/
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:42 pm

rexchase12 wrote:
[i]
BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?
[/i]

Last flight Nov. 4, returns Apr 20
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... t-shakeup/


Jshank83 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?

I think it’s just seasonal if I remember correctly. Unless that has changed.


Internal memo went out yesterday, check the schedules after April

AS will be 2x daily on BNA-SEA from March-Early January
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
rexchase12 wrote:
[i]
BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?
[/i]

Last flight Nov. 4, returns Apr 20
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... t-shakeup/


Jshank83 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Is it true BNA-SFO on AS is being cut permanently?

I think it’s just seasonal if I remember correctly. Unless that has changed.


Internal memo went out yesterday, check the schedules after April

AS will be 2x daily on BNA-SEA from March-Early January


so it is cut permenantly now?
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:24 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
rexchase12 wrote:
[i][/i]

Last flight Nov. 4, returns Apr 20
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alaska-ai ... t-shakeup/


Jshank83 wrote:
I think it’s just seasonal if I remember correctly. Unless that has changed.


Internal memo went out yesterday, check the schedules after April

AS will be 2x daily on BNA-SEA from March-Early January


so it is cut permenantly now?


Yes, https://centreforaviation.com/news/alas ... 020-942725
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:38 pm

I don't know what the business strategy is for AS, but they're terrible at trying to grow outside of their original home turf of the west coast.
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:26 pm

reednavy wrote:
I don't know what the business strategy is for AS, but they're terrible at trying to grow outside of their original home turf of the west coast.


AS seems to be wandering in the wilderness at the moment. They have no strategy as evidenced by the drawdown of the codeshare with AA.

Not concerned about this being dropped. Wouldn’t be surprised to see WN jump on BNA-SFO someday.
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:21 pm

Looks like another record day yesterday at BNA. 10/6 beat out 9/22 with 32,828 pax screened compared with 32,654, respectively.

And there are still tons of Bills fans in town...
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:23 pm

Rjh3h wrote:
Looks like another record day yesterday at BNA. 10/6 beat out 9/22 with 32,828 pax screened compared with 32,654, respectively.

And there are still tons of Bills fans in town...


I would guess some Bills fans live here. I remember when the Titans first played in Memphis and Bud Adams was livid that there were more Steelers fans at the game. Still, I saw in The Tennessean this week October is a very heavy month for tourism in Nashville. I think we will see those daily records get shattered more often.
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Spirit using A1 just as I predicted.
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:33 pm

Spirit to announce additional routes from BNA on Thursday

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/ ... 907615002/
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:39 pm

TangoCharlie123 wrote:
Spirit to announce additional routes from BNA on Thursday

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/ ... 907615002/

I'd hedge bets on DTW, DFW, ORD, & maybe even CUN.

It seems they're going to get aggressive from the jump, and why not?
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:18 pm

reednavy wrote:
TangoCharlie123 wrote:
Spirit to announce additional routes from BNA on Thursday

https://www.tennessean.com/story/money/ ... 907615002/

I'd hedge bets on DTW, DFW, ORD, & maybe even CUN.

It seems they're going to get aggressive from the jump, and why not?


How will they fit more flights in with one gate?
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:37 pm

CLJFlyer wrote:
I was on a flight from BNA-ATL on Friday. I was sitting next to a Delta pilot flying down to start work and asked him about the DL to Europe flights from Nashville.

He said that Delta has chosen CDG as the European destination from BNA, and it should start late next year.



Heard similar from a DL pilot buddy today RE: CDG next year
 
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Re: Nashville Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:25 pm

dafunk10 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
I was on a flight from BNA-ATL on Friday. I was sitting next to a Delta pilot flying down to start work and asked him about the DL to Europe flights from Nashville.

He said that Delta has chosen CDG as the European destination from BNA, and it should start late next year.



Heard similar from a DL pilot buddy today RE: CDG next year


Announced or starting next year?

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