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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:43 pm

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I wonder if the E-jets are going to suffer the faith as the b777's


Could you possibly write that in a way that others might understand you, if you had done you'd probably would have had an answer by now!

Did you mean ''fate'' rather than ''faith''?

The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:25 pm

Cunard wrote:
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I wonder if the E-jets are going to suffer the faith as the b777's


Could you possibly write that in a way that others might understand you, if you had done you'd probably would have had an answer by now!

Did you mean ''fate'' rather than ''faith''?

The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!

I meant fate! I didn't realise my mistake. I was referring to Air Peace's E-jets suffering the same fate as their b777.
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:27 pm

Not West African but don't you think that KQ should order the E-jet? It'd be perfect for their domestic and regional routes.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:38 pm

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Not West African but don't you think that KQ should order the E-jet? It'd be perfect for their domestic and regional routes.


You'd think since they already operate 15 E190s, but they're still young (between 5 and 8 years old). I think the critical factor when it comes to replacement will be hot and high performance of the E2 versus A220. Whichever has the better payload performance at 6,000ft AMSL will get the order.
 
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:00 pm

Air France first A350-900 is currently undergoing final adjustments in the Airbus assembly line in Toulouse. When commissioned, the aircraft will be deployed on the Paris-Abidjan-Bamako route, replacing the 787-9.
Starting from September 23rd, the A350-900 will serve Ivory Coast and Mali daily except on Thursdays.

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Sat May 11, 2019 1:47 am

Cunard wrote:
mr02 wrote:
I wonder if the E-jets are going to suffer the faith as the b777's


Could you possibly write that in a way that others might understand you, if you had done you'd probably would have had an answer by now!

Did you mean ''fate'' rather than ''faith''?

The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!


My friend, this site is where the world meets, so, please, give him a second chance :smile: !
Are you still around, btw?

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There is a story about a rail link in LOS airport and city center, is it true or what?t Any more info?
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Sat May 11, 2019 1:48 am

Also there was a map that you should all see:


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Sat May 11, 2019 3:41 am

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There is a story about a rail link in LOS airport and city center, is it true or what? Any more info?


FAAN and the Lagos State government plan to discuss a Rail link proposal for Lagos airport terminals.

More details are available in the link below.

http://www.woleshadare.net/lagos-set-to ... -for-mmia/

It is not clear if this will be part of the proposed metro Red Line or a new project

http://www.urbanrail.net/af/lagos/lagos-metro-map.png
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 pm

mapletux wrote:
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There is a story about a rail link in LOS airport and city center, is it true or what? Any more info?


FAAN and the Lagos State government plan to discuss a Rail link proposal for Lagos airport terminals.

More details are available in the link below.

http://www.woleshadare.net/lagos-set-to ... -for-mmia/

It is not clear if this will be part of the proposed metro Red Line or a new project

http://www.urbanrail.net/af/lagos/lagos-metro-map.png


Interesting details - thanks for sharing mapletux, hope it may not become a white elephant !
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 13, 2019 11:09 pm

:arrow: Since the beginning of May, Corendon Airlines (XR) connects Gambia to four German cities:
The Turkish carrier has been connecting Banjul with German cities of Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Leipzig and Munich and operates these routes in B737-800 with 189 seats.
As a reminder, Corendon Airlines also serves Morocco and Egypt

What is happening in Gambia so suddenly? :scratchchin:

https://newsaero.info/airlines/-corendo ... ?true=1780

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:arrow: Not a "news" per se, but the very good first documented review about the new Air Senegal airlines on CDG-DSS, with pictures:

https://flight-report.com/fr/report/415 ... -dakar-dss
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Tue May 14, 2019 5:59 am

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How busy are the roads to MMA these days?


A new multi-terminal transportation hub has just been completed at Oshodi which was a major choke point on the road to the airport.

https://punchng.com/oshodi-transport-in ... ion-may-2/

The road to the airport itself is also being rebuilt so there's a lot of construction going on in that area.

https://constructionreviewonline.com/20 ... ompletion/
 
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Tue May 21, 2019 11:24 am

Cunard wrote:
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The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!


8 E145s actually. But who's counting... :)
 
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Tue May 21, 2019 3:42 pm

B747-437B wrote:
Cunard wrote:
mr02 wrote:
The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!


8 E145s actually. But who's counting... :)

Good precision, thanks!

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https://www.ecofinagency.com/public-man ... al-carrier

And a new interesting route for sure :biggrin:
:arrow: Eritrean Airlines adds Kano service from May 2019

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Wed May 22, 2019 12:41 am

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Cunard wrote:
mr02 wrote:
The Africa World Airlines fleet only consists of 7 E145's, the airline has no B777's!


8 E145s actually. But who's counting... :)


Embraer E145 9G-AFR was the eight type to join the Africa World Airlines fleet in February 2019.
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Wed May 22, 2019 7:19 am

Rwandair will launch three weekly flights between Kigali and Tel Aviv. Service starts June 25.

WB502 KGL0030 – 0730TLV 738 246
WB503 TLV0040 – 0540KGL 738 35
WB503 TLV2350 – 0500+1KGL 738 6
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 am

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Rwandair will launch three weekly flights between Kigali and Tel Aviv. Service starts June 25.

WB502 KGL0030 – 0730TLV 738 246
WB503 TLV0040 – 0540KGL 738 35
WB503 TLV2350 – 0500+1KGL 738 6


terrible utilization of aircraft.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 8:52 am

terrible utilization of aircraft.


Except for Kinshasa, all RwandAir flights to Central and West Africa, are operated during the daylight, there are not red eye flights, like to Southern and Eastern Africa. RwandAir flights to Southern and Eastern are mostly opereted at least 2 times a day, except for Cape Town, Juba, Kamembe, Bujumbura and Mombasa. Kenya & Tanzania (both for tourism) are a big market for Israel. EL AL, Israir & Arkia operates charter flights.

RwandAir Flighs to West and Central Africa leave Kigali in the morning and back in the evening. Nigeria is quite big market. There are lots of Nigerians Pilgrims who fly to Israel (Nigerian Christian Pilgrim Commission).

The fastet routing to link Africa to Israel are mainly via Ethiopia, or via Istanbul. EL AL serves JNB. Via Paris or London is a little bit longer. Then some airlines serving Sub-Saharan Africa, mainly from North Africa, or Middle East don't have service to Israel. The Egyptair / Air Sinai routing is not practical .

If RwandAir sign a partnership with EL AL, RwandAir timetables perfect match with EL AL indound flights to Europe and outbound flights from Europe.

I know that for their London Gatwick service (and also for Brussels), they are trying to get better slots, with inbound and outbound flights operated in the morning, to provide somme good correspondances to pax, on some North America flights at London (British Airways, West Jet or Norwegian), or Brussels (United Airlines)

I don't know if this route will work well, i even think that it's was probably too early, for RwandAir to start service to Brussels & London, or it could be better with A321LR, A330 is often too big. But about timetables, the choice is not stupid.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 10:01 am

Rwandair is also pulling out of the ACC-ABV local market and converting that into a triangle flight from June 2019.

WB220 KGL 0900 - 1200 ABV Mo/We/Fr/Su
WB220 ABV 1300 - 1345 ACC Mo/We/Fr/Su
WB220 ACC 1435 - 2135 KGL Mo/We/Fr/Su

Simultaneously, Africa World Airlines is increasing service between Accra and Abuja to 10x weekly.

AW252 ACC 0940 - 1230 ABV Daily
AW260 ACC 1840 - 2130 ABV Tu/Fr/Su

AW251 ABV 0800 - 0850 ACC Mo/We/Sa
AW253 ABV 1310 - 1400 ACC Daily
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 11:21 pm

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terrible utilization of aircraft.


Except for Kinshasa, all RwandAir flights to Central and West Africa, are operated during the daylight, there are not red eye flights, like to Southern and Eastern Africa. RwandAir flights to Southern and Eastern are mostly opereted at least 2 times a day, except for Cape Town, Juba, Kamembe, Bujumbura and Mombasa. Kenya & Tanzania (both for tourism) are a big market for Israel. EL AL, Israir & Arkia operates charter flights.

RwandAir Flighs to West and Central Africa leave Kigali in the morning and back in the evening. Nigeria is quite big market. There are lots of Nigerians Pilgrims who fly to Israel (Nigerian Christian Pilgrim Commission).

The fastet routing to link Africa to Israel are mainly via Ethiopia, or via Istanbul. EL AL serves JNB. Via Paris or London is a little bit longer. Then some airlines serving Sub-Saharan Africa, mainly from North Africa, or Middle East don't have service to Israel. The Egyptair / Air Sinai routing is not practical .

If RwandAir sign a partnership with EL AL, RwandAir timetables perfect match with EL AL indound flights to Europe and outbound flights from Europe.

I know that for their London Gatwick service (and also for Brussels), they are trying to get better slots, with inbound and outbound flights operated in the morning, to provide somme good correspondances to pax, on some North America flights at London (British Airways, West Jet or Norwegian), or Brussels (United Airlines)

I don't know if this route will work well, i even think that it's was probably too early, for RwandAir to start service to Brussels & London, or it could be better with A321LR, A330 is often too big. But about timetables, the choice is not stupid.


Jeez!! One of the best comments so far about RwandAir :smile:
Would you be ok to continue further this great discussion about RwandAir here (unless it does affect directly West African ops):

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411967&start=100
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Thu May 23, 2019 11:42 pm

Probably already discussed somewhere else, but:

TAP to fly to Banjul Gambia
http://newsaero.info/airlines/tap-air-p ... ?true=1803

Did they operate that route in the past? And do they fly to LOS too?
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Fri May 24, 2019 12:03 am

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Rwandair is also pulling out of the ACC-ABV local market and converting that into a triangle flight from June 2019.

WB220 KGL 0900 - 1200 ABV Mo/We/Fr/Su
WB220 ABV 1300 - 1345 ACC Mo/We/Fr/Su
WB220 ACC 1435 - 2135 KGL Mo/We/Fr/Su

Simultaneously, Africa World Airlines is increasing service between Accra and Abuja to 10x weekly.

AW252 ACC 0940 - 1230 ABV Daily
AW260 ACC 1840 - 2130 ABV Tu/Fr/Su

AW251 ABV 0800 - 0850 ACC Mo/We/Sa
AW253 ABV 1310 - 1400 ACC Daily


Great updates B747-437B, as some of us might be concerned about these improvements. :smile:
Abuja can become a hub soon, not too busy and ideally located!
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Fri May 24, 2019 8:27 am

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Abuja can become a hub soon, not too busy and ideally located!


The new terminal in Abuja will enable smoother connectivity if any airlines choose to use it for that. However, Abuja doesn't have a natural O&D market to build on other than the Government traffic. Certainly, it serves as the primary gateway to the north especially with the security situation around Kano meaning that many operators are reluctant to maintain operations there, but its market is never going to come remotely close to Lagos in terms of size.

Also, Abuja airspace is prone to random closures and delays due to constant VIP movements. That uncertainty is simply unsustainable for a hub operation and it isn't going to go away anytime soon.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:09 pm

Air Namibia has suspended their flights to Lagos and Accra with immediate effect due to a diplomatic spat with Nigeria.

https://voyagesafriq.com/2019/05/24/air ... cra-route/
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 10:33 pm

eastafspot wrote:
Probably already discussed somewhere else, but:

TAP to fly to Banjul Gambia
http://newsaero.info/airlines/tap-air-p ... ?true=1803

Did they operate that route in the past? And do they fly to LOS too?


Banjul the capital of The Gambia is a new destination for TAP Air Portugal, they don't currently fly to Lagos Nigeria. The airline has never served Lagos although according to their timetables dating from the 1950's TAP Air Portugal used to serve Kano, Nigeria.
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Sat May 25, 2019 10:47 pm

Cunard wrote:
eastafspot wrote:
Probably already discussed somewhere else, but:

TAP to fly to Banjul Gambia
http://newsaero.info/airlines/tap-air-p ... ?true=1803

Did they operate that route in the past? And do they fly to LOS too?


Banjul the capital of The Gambia is a new destination for TAP Air Portugal, they don't currently fly to Lagos Nigeria. The airline has never served Lagos although according to their timetables dating from the 1950's TAP Air Portugal used to serve Kano, Nigeria.


I seem to recall seeing them in Lagos in the 80s/early 90s.......
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:14 pm

Africa World Airlines will increase flight frequencies between Accra and Freetown/Monrovia to 6 weekly effective from 11JUN19. Flights will now operate all days except Thursdays.

AW344 ACC dep 1000 arr 1230 FNA Mo/We/Sa
AW344 FNA dep 1300 arr 1400 ROB
AW344 ROB dep 1430 arr 1630 ACC

AW324 ACC dep 1000 arr 1200 ROB Tu/Fr/Su
AW324 ROB dep 1230 arr 1330 FNA
AW324 FNA dep 1400 arr 1630 ACC

All flights provide quick connections in Accra to/from both Lagos and Abuja, as well as same-day connections to/from SAA's Washington flights.
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:46 pm

Cunard wrote:
eastafspot wrote:
Probably already discussed somewhere else, but:

TAP to fly to Banjul Gambia
http://newsaero.info/airlines/tap-air-p ... ?true=1803

Did they operate that route in the past? And do they fly to LOS too?


Banjul the capital of The Gambia is a new destination for TAP Air Portugal, they don't currently fly to Lagos Nigeria. The airline has never served Lagos although according to their timetables dating from the 1950's TAP Air Portugal used to serve Kano, Nigeria.

Thanks a lot but hey, Kano?
As a stopover to LAD, MPM or TMS probably?

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All flights provide quick connections in Accra to/from both Lagos and Abuja, as well as same-day connections to/from SAA's Washington flights.


Great news B747-437B!
Is it the result of the partnership agreement signed earlier this year between AWA & SAA?
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:54 pm

By the way, B747-437B, well done for this superb recent shot :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: which is, also, truly saddening!
Wasn't the situation too risky at LOS?
Hi-Fly could not ferry it home anymore?

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:25 am

eastafspot wrote:
Cunard wrote:
eastafspot wrote:
Probably already discussed somewhere else, but:

TAP to fly to Banjul Gambia
http://newsaero.info/airlines/tap-air-p ... ?true=1803

Did they operate that route in the past? And do they fly to LOS too?


Banjul the capital of The Gambia is a new destination for TAP Air Portugal, they don't currently fly to Lagos Nigeria. The airline has never served Lagos although according to their timetables dating from the 1950's TAP Air Portugal used to serve Kano, Nigeria.

Thanks a lot but hey, Kano?
As a stopover to LAD, MPM or TMS probably?

B747-437B wrote:
All flights provide quick connections in Accra to/from both Lagos and Abuja, as well as same-day connections to/from SAA's Washington flights.


Great news B747-437B!
Is it the result of the partnership agreement signed earlier this year between AWA & SAA?


Exactly

Kano was used as a transit stop from LIS to LAD, MPM and TMS.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:23 am

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B747-437B wrote:
All flights provide quick connections in Accra to/from both Lagos and Abuja, as well as same-day connections to/from SAA's Washington flights.


Is it the result of the partnership agreement signed earlier this year between AWA & SAA?


It is a mixture of general organic growth (the route has grown steadily since launch) and better connectivity in Accra due to the new terminal and good connecting flights to Lagos/Abuja, but the choice of Tuesdays for the 6th flight is indeed driven by SAA's addition of Tuesday services to IAD via ACC.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:13 pm

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By the way, B747-437B, well done for this superb recent shot :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: which is, also, truly saddening!
Wasn't the situation too risky at LOS?
Hi-Fly could not ferry it home anymore?



Although my memory might be fuzzy, the story in the local papers when the A340s were acquired is that:
*CS-TFW was financed by a consortium of Nigerian banks,led by Union Bank.
This was financed along with some of their 737 NG.
They then refinanced these aircraft/loans with HSBC.

*CS-TFX was financed by a consortium of Standard Chartered of SA and HSBC.
I'm guessing this was easier to dispose of.

Also, parts robbery between aircraft was common at the end of W3's long haul operation.
So it is possible that this also had an effect.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:22 am

Ibom Air (Z4) receives AOC, begins immediate operations with LOS, ABV and QUO.
https://punchng.com/ibom-air-gets-aoc-b ... hts-today/

Attempted bookings show QUO as their hub.
This is understandable as Z4 is funded and promoted by the Akwa Ibom State Government, where QUO is located.
Operations start with round trips to LOS and ABV,with fares from NGN 15,000.
Aircraft are configured in PE and Y

http://www.ibomair.com/
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:07 pm

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Although my memory might be fuzzy, the story in the local papers when the A340s were acquired is that:
*CS-TFW was financed by a consortium of Nigerian banks,led by Union Bank.
This was financed along with some of their 737 NG.
They then refinanced these aircraft/loans with HSBC.

*CS-TFX was financed by a consortium of Standard Chartered of SA and HSBC.
I'm guessing this was easier to dispose of.

Also, parts robbery between aircraft was common at the end of W3's long haul operation.
So it is possible that this also had an effect.

Thanks for the clear explanation 5NFGS!
Still surprised that no local operator were interested instead of leaving a such beauty to her fate.
The parts robbery reminds me what DRC aviation industry used to be.


5NFGS wrote:
Ibom Air (Z4) receives AOC, begins immediate operations with LOS, ABV and QUO.
https://punchng.com/ibom-air-gets-aoc-b ... hts-today/

Attempted bookings show QUO as their hub.
This is understandable as Z4 is funded and promoted by the Akwa Ibom State Government, where QUO is located.
Operations start with round trips to LOS and ABV,with fares from NGN 15,000.
Aircraft are configured in PE and Y

http://www.ibomair.com/

Looks like the aiport should be a platform for economic growth.
Any plans for regional ops (to Cameroon maybe)?
Not very frequent to see PE class in a 2 class aircraft.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:19 pm

:arrow: Abidjan Airport (ABJ): More than 520,000 passengers in the first quarter, 2.5 million targeted at the end of the year.

In the first quarter, Air Côte d'Ivoire emerged as the main operator with nearly 35% of traffic with 181,472 passengers handled on its flights, followed by Air France with 66,791 passengers.

According to the Ministry's figures, the distribution of passengers by destination shows a dominance of ECOWAS destinations (38.8%), followed by Europe (27.6%) of which (20.5%) for France, and 21.9% for the rest of Africa.


With ET new flight to NYC, they are probably the 3rd operator here.
Let's hope airport autorities will manage to attract an airline to launch YUL asap.

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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:09 am

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Thanks for the clear explanation 5NFGS!
Still surprised that no local operator were interested instead of leaving a such beauty to her fate.
The parts robbery reminds me what DRC aviation industry used to be.


You're welcome.

Single A340-500 in questionable condition?
No thanks.
Costs would be too high for a quad jet which is far too heavy to win a fight in today's 787/A350 world.

Cannot wait for African aviation as a whole to grow to a point that minimizes such to times of bare necessity, and not all the time.

eastafspot wrote:
Looks like the aiport should be a platform for economic growth.
Any plans for regional ops (to Cameroon maybe)?
Not very frequent to see PE class in a 2 class aircraft.


Regional plans have not been stated yet.
Besides, a fleet of only 3x CRJ900 and the political/ownership need to hub from QUO will slow growth for now.
IMO they should fully stabilize domestic ops and become the "long and thin" operator of choice via QUO before going regional.
Strong hub feed and all.

If not they will be flying CRJs to ACC and DLA with 10 pax :D :D

Arik (W3) is their example I guess.
10C 65Y for their CRJ 900s 5N-JEA,-EB,-EC and -ED
12C 80Y for their sole CRJ 1000 5N-JEE

Speaking of which, I expect a mini exodus of CRJ rated fliers from W3 to Z4.
If this has not already happened.
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:38 am

eastafspot wrote:
Looks like the aiport should be a platform for economic growth.
Any plans for regional ops (to Cameroon maybe)?
Not very frequent to see PE class in a 2 class aircraft.


They've announced what their strategy will be and how they plan to operate.

The COO of the airline, Mr. George Uriesi said the vision of the airline is to be a world class regional. ‘We don’t have any ambition for long haul at all. We will settle in the country and after a while we will go into the region. We want to model ourselves around Comair of South Africa. They have been in existence for about 75 years. They have been profitable for 72 of their 75 years. They are such a world class airline that British Airways has put their livery on it. They operate franchise for British Airways. They have no ambition to go anywhere other than Southern Africa. That is the type of model we are after’.

Full details are available in the link below

http://www.woleshadare.net/uriesi-unvei ... wth-plans/
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:48 pm

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You're welcome.

Single A340-500 in questionable condition?
No thanks.
Costs would be too high for a quad jet which is far too heavy to win a fight in today's 787/A350 world.

Cannot wait for African aviation as a whole to grow to a point that minimizes such to times of bare necessity, and not all the time.

A/C reg was misleading indeed, though a quad to JNB would have been awesome.

Anyway hope, she'll get a "third life" near LOS or elswhere in Nigeria like :lol: :

- Ghana Airways DC10: https://beautifulghana.com/listing/la-t ... estaurant/
- Ethiopian 737: https://beautifulghana.com/listing/la-t ... estaurant/
- Near Entebbe/Uganda: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/aero-beach

Nigeria signed the agreement but still needs to ratify it. Africa's largest market is booming, so obviously it takes a while to weight the pros and cons but still!
If Air Peace grows steadily, and as the dominant international carrier, what can prevent Nigeria from opening its borders up to a common African market?

5NFGS wrote:
Regional plans have not been stated yet.
Besides, a fleet of only 3x CRJ900 and the political/ownership need to hub from QUO will slow growth for now.
IMO they should fully stabilize domestic ops and become the "long and thin" operator of choice via QUO before going regional.
Strong hub feed and all.

If not they will be flying CRJs to ACC and DLA with 10 pax :D :D

Arik (W3) is their example I guess.
10C 65Y for their CRJ 900s 5N-JEA,-EB,-EC and -ED
12C 80Y for their sole CRJ 1000 5N-JEE

Speaking of which, I expect a mini exodus of CRJ rated fliers from W3 to Z4.
If this has not already happened.

How much subsidies from the state/gov do they get to operate these domestic routes?


***********

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The COO of the airline, Mr. George Uriesi said the vision of the airline is to be a world class regional. ‘We don’t have any ambition for long haul at all. We will settle in the country and after a while we will go into the region. We want to model ourselves around Comair of South Africa. They have been in existence for about 75 years. They have been profitable for 72 of their 75 years. They are such a world class airline that British Airways has put their livery on it. They operate franchise for British Airways. They have no ambition to go anywhere other than Southern Africa. That is the type of model we are after’.

Very interesting comment, thanks a lot!
So Ibom Air plan to purchase at a full rate an European company franchise soon (well, not after the official brexit ) :scratchchin: ?
Let assume that is their best wish, and are succesful, but to where in Nigeria and then West Africa?
What had happened to Virgin Nigeria to collapse?


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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:23 pm

A sad one as Air Peace Communications Manager dies in car crash

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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:20 pm

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A/C reg was misleading indeed, though a quad to JNB would have been awesome.

Anyway hope, she'll get a "third life" near LOS or elswhere in Nigeria like :lol: :

- Ghana Airways DC10: https://beautifulghana.com/listing/la-t ... estaurant/
- Ethiopian 737: https://beautifulghana.com/listing/la-t ... estaurant/
- Near Entebbe/Uganda: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/aero-beach



Nigeria signed the agreement but still needs to ratify it. Africa's largest market is booming, so obviously it takes a while to weight the pros and cons but still!
If Air Peace grows steadily, and as the dominant international carrier, what can prevent Nigeria from opening its borders up to a common African market?



How much subsidies from the state/gov do they get to operate these domestic routes?
***********

mapletux wrote:
The COO of the airline, Mr. George Uriesi said the vision of the airline is to be a world class regional. ‘We don’t have any ambition for long haul at all. We will settle in the country and after a while we will go into the region. We want to model ourselves around Comair of South Africa. They have been in existence for about 75 years. They have been profitable for 72 of their 75 years. They are such a world class airline that British Airways has put their livery on it. They operate franchise for British Airways. They have no ambition to go anywhere other than Southern Africa. That is the type of model we are after’.


For the A 345, I highly doubt it but never say never!

About Air Peace, I would say
1 Poor aero politics by the Nigerian government.
2. High fuel charges in NG which put NG carriers at disadvantage.
3 Generally under developed aviation infrastructure.
There have been developments, such as the Chinese funded terminals, but these are happening very slowly.
For instance, only the main International Airports can handle low visibility and night ops. And even those have critical limitations.

ABV is single runway, though I hear of plans to build a 2nd

LOS is 2 runway, but only 1 has ILS

PHC and ENU have always been a hot mess. Fini

KAN and SKO are under used IMO, with nice long runways, but the poor terminal facilities and the general security situation in Northern Nigeria doesn't help either.

Ibom Air is owned by the state government fully.

Hmmmmmmm.

VK needs a whole post.

I am working on it and will post shortly
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:00 pm

Hmmmmmmm.

Virgin Nigeria (VK) was a sad one honestly!

I still have my Eagle flier card from those days somewhere.

Well, where do I start this tale from?

They were actually the first true hub airline in Nigeria, as they are the only airline ever operate all their flights (domestic and international) from a single terminal in the country.

Even Nigeria Airways was split operations between domestic and international terminals.

Branson first started with charging very high royalty fees.

Unsurprising however, as this is normal with Virgin Atlantic (VS), Virgin Australia (VA) and the defunct Virgin America (VX).

VS Group also had full operational and management control, despite having the smaller equity stake.

Of course VS is operationally sound, so no wahala!

With an initial fleet of 2 A320-200 (LZ-BHB and LZ-BHD), operations started between LOS and ABV.

Subsequently, a fleet of 7 (at its peak) B737-300 were added.

These were used to expand operations across Nigeria and the West Coast.

The A320s were mainly used to launch new routes and up gauge at peak periods, thanks to their bigger, better and IFE equipped cabins.






Unfortunately, too many bad moves were made by the VS led management.

The biggest such was launching LHR and JNB with the A 340-300.

While the services were popular, the complexities of operating a wet-leased long haul fleet composed of 2 aircraft from one of your key competitors began to kill VK.

This is an airline that was designated flag carrier and had route authorities to 64 countries, so, WHY?!!



Why set it up for failure by launching LHR first against BA and VS?

Only to follow this up with JNB against a then strong SAA!

With a killer blow of DXB, against the then growing monster called EK.

At the time, EK was running a daily 777 to LOS and considering opening ABV.

Anyhow, the new flights affected VS, as Nigerians obviously prefer jollof rice to bangers and mash!


Before you could say Nollywood, VK's LHR slots were changed for "operational reasons".

Arrival into LOS was now at the unholy hour of 04.00, with LHR departure of 21:55.

Meanwhile, VS departed LHR at approximately 23:00 and had a more decent 05:00/06:00 (delayed) arrival into LOS.

This is the case till date!

The timing change was the beginning of the end.

Before you knew it, empty long haul flights became normal for VK.

After a year and a half or so, the A 340 s were sent back to VS as the lease rates were crippling.

Replacements?



A pair of B 767-300 ER leased from LatCharter.

Of course, YL-LCY and YL-LCZ were operated mainly for charter or rescue work.

So, crucially, they were not as well-appointed as the A 340 s.

You know we Nigerians love our comfort!


Making this bad situation even worse, the LHR flights were moved to LGW to "improve the schedule".

Who improves LON traffic or fares by going from LHR to LGW for God's sake?

Exemptions being BA, VS, the Euro carriers.

And the Gulf 3 obviously!


Despite VK having a slightly better schedule, now “departing” LGW at 22:45 and “arriving” LOS as 06:00,

YL-LCY and YL-LCZ were some of the most unreliable aircraft ever to operate in Nigeria.

In effect, the schedule was better on paper but worse operationally!


It got so bad that they had to wet lease a BMI (gosh, I am old now!) A 330-200 (G-WWBD) for about 6 months.

Just to rescue the schedules!


I got well acquainted with the floors of LGW so well then due to their frequent break downs.

I was a student in the UK then, cheap ticket things!!



Anyhow, this above scenario was further complicated by management desire to purchase the ERJ-190s.

On paper it was a wonderful plan, modernize and streamline the narrow body fleet.

But there was a looming problem.


UBA was VK’s lead banker, and had little or no experience in aviation financing.

At the time the US$450 million order for the Jungle Jets was placed, VK was already encumbered with approximately US$250 million of debt to the Bank.


A further unsecured facility of US$ 15 million was taken from GTB, another leading Nigerian bank.

All this spending/borrowing was to be covered by the revenues from 7 leased B737-300s, which by some accounts, were leased at a cost of US$300,000 a month, each!

And a couple of expensive (US$750,000 a month, some say), beat-up 767s which rendered whatever hopes the long-haul network had impotent.

It was in this time frame VK completely dropped international operations.

The result of this “idea” was yet another set of expensive aircraft, this time in form of finance leases from UBA.



Even more expensive, operationally, was the fact that the Jungle Jet was new to Nigerian crews.

Eventually, VK only ever took delivery of 2 of the Jungle Jets.



By now, the storm in the teacup had become a full thunderstorm!

Early 2009, Nigerian aviation authorities were forcing VK to split its local and international operations as is the local norm.

This unique feature, however, was a key premise for VS initially signing up for the VK project.

As a direct result of this, by the autumn of 2009, VS Group was recalling its staff to London and demanding the immediate removal of all associations with Virgin from VK.


VS cited the above disagreement as well as the airline’s unprofitability and high debt levels as the reasons for its action.

The above actions and reactions broke the agreement which formed VK.


VS also stands accused of, by some estimates, the withdrawal of more than US$ 40 million in royalties and technical fees from VK.

All this drama and financial maneuvering effectively rendered the airline worthless.


Remember that this was at the height of the financial crisis in 2009.

None of the Nigerian Banks wanted to cross Emir Sanusi, the then Governor of the Central Bank, whom was taking measures against banks carrying the sort of massive bad debt VK had become.

So, VK fell under the ownership of UBA’s subsidiary, UBA Capital as a toxic asset awaiting disposal.


Apart from the equity losses and bad debt, UBA Capital had to:
Swallow the penalties for the 8 undelivered Embraers.
Endure the loss of income and value on the 2 delivered aircraft.
Pay GTB their US$ 15 million.

It was in this ownership period that VK became known as Nigerian Eagle.


Nigerian Eagle was a temporary arrangement by UBA Capital to keep VK as a flying asset.

This was not public knowledge at the time, until 2010, when business man Jimoh Ibrahim acquired the airline.

Jimoh’s only previous venture into Nigerian aviation was the purchase of the crippled EAS Airlines in the aftermath of a fatal crash in Kano.

He renamed it Nicon Airways, and the less said about the airline, the better.


Having acquired VK, Ibrahim renamed it Air Nigeria.

He started well, injecting US$ 5 million into the airline immediately he bought it and set about paying down the airline’s debt pile.

He also got code shares and interlines with KQ and DL.



This gave UBA the confidence to extend US$ 70 million in financing to VK in order to reorganize operations, acquire 2 additional 737 s and relaunch long haul.

LGW and JNB were relaunched in May 2012 by wet-leasing 2 A330-200 from EgyptAir.

Plans also existed for FCO and CDG.


At this time, W3 had also gone long haul, on the same triangle of LHR, JNB and DXB.

So more competition.

At this point, VK had less than 9 months to live.


When the end came, it was swift, sudden and brutal.

A combination of owner-manager as well as outright mismanagement was what finally nailed VK.

Workers had been protesting unpaid salaries right from the relaunch of long-haul, so for at least 6 months before the end.

They also accused Mr. Ibrahim of misappropriating VK's share of a US$300 million Aviation Support Fund, which he applied for from the Federal Government to support the airline’s operations.

Of course, a hungry man is an angry man.

And VK’s operations began to suffer, again.

This time, in the hands of angry employees.



Ibrahim has always flatly denied the allegations, but the evidence was mounting.

Unpaid bills, one aircraft AOG for weeks due to a US$ 200 part and mounting delays across the network became the norm.

This despite the fresh credit extended.




Confusion reigns till date about whether he actually ever paid off VK’s original debts upon assuming control of the airline.

On the 6th of September 2012, Jimoh Ibrahim fired all the staff of Air Nigeria for “disloyalty” and shuttered the operations of the airline 4 days later.

Adieu, VK.
From a dear friend.
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 am

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A sad one as Air Peace Communications Manager dies in car crash

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/chris-iwa ... uto-crash/


Woww, such a sad news (sorry to read and reply to this only now ). Do you know how it did occur? :sorry:

RIP and thoughts to the entire family.

5NFGS wrote:

About Air Peace, I would say
1 Poor aero politics by the Nigerian government.
2. High fuel charges in NG which put NG carriers at disadvantage.
3 Generally under developed aviation infrastructure.
There have been developments, such as the Chinese funded terminals, but these are happening very slowly.
For instance, only the main International Airports can handle low visibility and night ops. And even those have critical limitations.

ABV is single runway, though I hear of plans to build a 2nd

LOS is 2 runway, but only 1 has ILS

PHC and ENU have always been a hot mess. Fini

KAN and SKO are under used IMO, with nice long runways, but the poor terminal facilities and the general security situation in Northern Nigeria doesn't help either.

Ibom Air is owned by the state government fully.

Hmmmmmmm.

VK needs a whole post.

I am working on it and will post shortly


According to your 2nd point about Air Peace, how can NG carriers be in this dire situation?
It would be interesting to learn more about the situation at KAN and PHC....
What are the biletarels between NG and EU or US/ME?
How can NG regional airports expand beyond West Africa?
You look nostalgic buddy, should VK be resumed soon? :wink2:


Also, many thanks for the previous post, which will be analysed asap, and commented very soon !
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:09 am

@5NFGS - an interesting account of VK's history, but not entirely accurate with regards to history and timeline.

Some comments :

1) The LHR-LOS flights during Summer 2005 season were operated only 3x weekly and although the aircraft was painted in VK colours, it wasn't dedicated to their operation. Instead it flew other rotations for VS out of London on other days of the week. However, once Winter 2005 came around, the aircraft was dedicated to VK operations and everything moved over to Gatwick. The only VK dedicated ops into Heathrow came much later (2008) with the Saturday daytime flight from Lagos on the 767.

2) The operations with the wet-leased Balkan Holidays A320s commenced on Abuja, Port Harcourt and Accra routes in July 2005. I flew the inaugural ACC-LOS flight on 19th July 2005 and even posted a trip report here, so I remember this well.

3) The bmi A330 operated for VK during the first part of 2007, after the A340s went back to VS and before the LatCharter 767s were delivered. The LatCharter aircraft came in around June 2007 and operated for about 18 months or so. The bmi aircraft was never used to cover for the LatCharter 767s - there were other aircraft that did that (including a couple of sub-services that I arranged around Christmas 2007).

4) The 2 LatCharter frames came directly from Air Canada, and not from "charter/rescue work".

5) The shift of domestic operations from MMIA to MM2 took place in mid-2008.

6) Longhaul operations were suspended in January 2009. Again, I know this well because I set up the rebooking agreement for their Accra bound passengers (the Lagos pax were put onto VS services).

7) Conrad Clifford and the other Virgin appointees resigned in May 2009. Immediately thereafter, the branding was changed to "Nigerian Eagle".

8) Jimoh Ibrahim took control in June 2010 and appointed Kinfe Kahssaye as CEO. The branding was changed to "Air Nigeria" at this time.
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:55 am

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@5NFGS - an interesting account of VK's history, but not entirely accurate with regards to history and timeline.

Some comments :

1) The LHR-LOS flights during Summer 2005 season were operated only 3x weekly and although the aircraft was painted in VK colours, it wasn't dedicated to their operation. Instead it flew other rotations for VS out of London on other days of the week. However, once Winter 2005 came around, the aircraft was dedicated to VK operations and everything moved over to Gatwick. The only VK dedicated ops into Heathrow came much later (2008) with the Saturday daytime flight from Lagos on the 767.

2) The operations with the wet-leased Balkan Holidays A320s commenced on Abuja, Port Harcourt and Accra routes in July 2005. I flew the inaugural ACC-LOS flight on 19th July 2005 and even posted a trip report here, so I remember this well.

3) The bmi A330 operated for VK during the first part of 2007, after the A340s went back to VS and before the LatCharter 767s were delivered. The LatCharter aircraft came in around June 2007 and operated for about 18 months or so. The bmi aircraft was never used to cover for the LatCharter 767s - there were other aircraft that did that (including a couple of sub-services that I arranged around Christmas 2007).

4) The 2 LatCharter frames came directly from Air Canada, and not from "charter/rescue work".

5) The shift of domestic operations from MMIA to MM2 took place in mid-2008.

6) Longhaul operations were suspended in January 2009. Again, I know this well because I set up the rebooking agreement for their Accra bound passengers (the Lagos pax were put onto VS services).

7) Conrad Clifford and the other Virgin appointees resigned in May 2009. Immediately thereafter, the branding was changed to "Nigerian Eagle".

8) Jimoh Ibrahim took control in June 2010 and appointed Kinfe Kahssaye as CEO. The branding was changed to "Air Nigeria" at this time.


Thanks for the corrections!

Like I said up there, I was just a starry eyed student 10-15 years ago when all of this was going on.

Only recalled from my memories of the news at the time combined with frequent LOS-ABV and LOS-LGW on the airline.

And the one LOS-ACC
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:52 pm

There is a short headline on CAPA (I can't read the whole article) that Air Senegal is going to get a 2nd A330. Where are they going to use this aircraft? Is there any demand between Dakar and any city other than Paris?
How is their Paris flight doing? Any other news on Air Senegal?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:58 pm

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There is a short headline on CAPA (I can't read the whole article) that Air Senegal is going to get a 2nd A330. Where are they going to use this aircraft? Is there any demand between Dakar and any city other than Paris?
How is their Paris flight doing? Any other news on Air Senegal?

They want to connect passangers between Brazil/Africa-Europe with them planning to have 6 A330Neos in the next 2-3 years if i'm not mistaken.
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:00 am

Regarding fuel in Nigeria,how come is it so expensive as they have the largest oil deposits and produce the most oil in at Africa.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:25 am

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Regarding fuel in Nigeria,how come is it so expensive as they have the largest oil deposits and produce the most oil in at Africa.


Nigeria has no Jet A refinery capacity. Supposedly, one is supposed to be opening up in Port Harcourt this year. Until then, all jet fuel must be imported...
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:16 am

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Regarding fuel in Nigeria,how come is it so expensive as they have the largest oil deposits and produce the most oil in at Africa.


High fuel price in Nigeria is a fallacy. Lagos is among the cheapest places to lift fuel in West Africa. The problem is the RELIABILITY of fuel availability due to the supply chain issues outlined above.

For example, some current (15JUN19) fuel prices in the region are :

LOS - $0.5964/ltr
ABV - $0.6241/ltr
ACC - $0.6029/ltr
FNA - $1.1531/ltr
ROB - $0.9404/ltr
 
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Re: West African Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:27 am

Africa World Airlines (AWA) has been recognized as the "Best Airline in West Africa" at the 2019 Balafon Travel Awards.

Other winners in the aviation categories included Kotoka International Airport (ACC) as "Best Airport in West Africa", SAHCO plc Nigeria as "Best Ground Handling Company", and Air Peace CEO Allen Onyema as "Travel Personality of the Year".


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Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:47 am

I'm surprised Air Peace didn't get first place.

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