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Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:18 pm

The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:26 pm

I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:45 pm

bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.



As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.

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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:46 pm

No ceremonies planned. The only thing that may change the retirement schedule is the Seahawks playoff dreams...if they lose Saturday, the fleet is completely pau Monday.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:58 pm

bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.



Only three 2002-03 airplanes, which have already been sent over to UA.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:01 am

airportugal310 wrote:
No ceremonies planned. The only thing that may change the retirement schedule is the Seahawks playoff dreams...if they lose Saturday, the fleet is completely pau Monday.


That's messed up. The 767 has served Hawaiian well. It seems really pathetic to just set it on the curb on trash day.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:15 am

717atOGG wrote:
The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?


bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.


SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.

As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.
https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... us=current



Yes, the end is imminent. Of the 18 767s HAL operated, the very slow retirement of the fleet is about to come to an end. Only 3 went to UA and have already left the fleet, in 2018. The remaining 4 are a mix of ages and histories: 581/582 - new build to HAL in Oct/Nov 2001. 583 an ex-LTU 1992 build that joined HAL in 2002. Then there is the queen, 594 an ex-DL 1986 build which joined HAL in 2006. She will fly the last scheduled 767 service on Jan 7th, 2019 as HA19, SMF-HNL.

If you look at Planespotters.net and the HAL 767 history, it tells an interesting story. There were 4 groups of 767s that HAL operated over the years:

1 - Brand new P&W powered with the old Boeing interiors: 580, 581, 582. Originally going to another operator, AFAIK, Winglet retrofit. These had no over-wing exits.
2 - Brand new P&W powered with the new Boeing signature interior: 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592 and 593. Winglet retrofit and over-wing exits.
3 - Used P&W powered ex-LTU's, with higher GTOW's: 583, 584, 585, 586, never received the winglets.
4 - Used GE powered ex-DL 767-300's: 594, 596, 597, 598. Were enhanced to -ER status, gutted on the inside and sported the after market Boeing signature retrofit, no winglets.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:31 am

azjubilee wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?


bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.


SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.

As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.
https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... us=current






If you look at Planespotters.net and the HAL 767 history, it tells an interesting story
1 - Brand new P&W powered with the old Boeing interiors: 580, 581, 582, which were originally build for Ansett Australia. Winglet retrofit. These had no over-wing exits.
2 - Brand new P&W powered with the new Boeing signature interior: 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592 and 593. Winglet retrofit and over-wing exits.
3 - Used P&W powered ex-LTU's, with higher GTOW's: 583, 584, 585, 586, never received the winglets.
4 - Used GE powered ex-DL 767-300's: 594, 596, 597, 598. Were enhanced to -ER status, gutted on the inside and sported the after market Boeing signature retrofit, no winglets.

Re #2 .. 588, 590, 592 went to UA. Surprised UA didn’t take the other four, assuming they were available. New regs are N684, 685, 686UA. 684 is in HKG for conversion/induction and other two stored at GYR for the time being.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:39 am

I suspect the newer 2 will be converted to cargo.

Do not see a future for the older 2.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:26 am

bennett123 wrote:
I suspect the newer 2 will be converted to cargo.

Do not see a future for the older 2.


Yeah... I think 583 and 594 will join their sisters one final time.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:30 am

594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:47 am

azjubilee wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?


bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.


SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.

As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.
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Yes, the end is imminent. Of the 18 767s HAL operated, the very slow retirement of the fleet is about to come to an end. Only 3 went to UA and have already left the fleet, in 2018. The remaining 4 are a mix of ages and histories: 581/582 - new build to HAL in Oct/Nov 2001. 583 an ex-LTU 1992 build that joined HAL in 2002. Then there is the queen, 594 an ex-DL 1986 build which joined HAL in 2006. She will fly the last scheduled 767 service on Jan 7th, 2019 as HA19, SMF-HNL.

If you look at Planespotters.net and the HAL 767 history, it tells an interesting story. There were 4 groups of 767s that HAL operated over the years:

1 - Brand new P&W powered with the old Boeing interiors: 580, 581, 582. Originally going to another operator, AFAIK, Winglet retrofit. These had no over-wing exits.
2 - Brand new P&W powered with the new Boeing signature interior: 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592 and 593. Winglet retrofit and over-wing exits.
3 - Used P&W powered ex-LTU's, with higher GTOW's: 583, 584, 585, 586, never received the winglets.
4 - Used GE powered ex-DL 767-300's: 594, 596, 597, 598. Were enhanced to -ER status, gutted on the inside and sported the after market Boeing signature retrofit, no winglets.


I believe 580, 581 and 582 were originally intended for Ansett. They had 4 doors on each side.

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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:59 am

iahcsr wrote:
Re #2 .. 588, 590, 592 went to UA. Surprised UA didn’t take the other four, assuming they were available. New regs are N684, 685, 686UA. 684 is in HKG for conversion/induction and other two stored at GYR for the time being.


They weren't available. 591 and 593 left in 2011 for Air Canada/Rouge and 587 left for Rouge in 2015

aloha73g wrote:
I believe 580, 581 and 582 were originally intended for Ansett. They had 4 doors on each side. -Aloha!


I had thought it was Ansett, but wasn't 100% on that.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:29 am

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594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)

I have no Idea what the Pratt engines to boot phrase is. The PW 4062 is reliable as hell. and the majority of UA's 767's fly that Engine.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:41 am

strfyr51 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)

I have no Idea what the Pratt engines to boot phrase is. The PW 4062 is reliable as hell. and the majority of UA's 767's fly that Engine.

It reflects that in the freighter conversion market, Pratts are a very distant second to GE for equipment. That along with the somewhat high hours total make 583 a poor candidate for freighter conversion, and a low probability for further pax service.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:12 am

I will be sad to see the 767s depart. I flew them on a few occasions between SAN and OGG and HNL -- always a comfortable flight and friendly flight crew. I'll never forget the time I was in the rear lavatory and all the instructions in the bathroom were in German! So much fun!
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:23 am

Spacepope wrote:
594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)

It looks like 580 is getting a new life. Flew to SAW for refurb. Presume it was sold for Pax operations.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:02 pm

azjubilee wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?


bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.


SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.

As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.
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Yes, the end is imminent. Of the 18 767s HAL operated, the very slow retirement of the fleet is about to come to an end. Only 3 went to UA and have already left the fleet, in 2018. The remaining 4 are a mix of ages and histories: 581/582 - new build to HAL in Oct/Nov 2001. 583 an ex-LTU 1992 build that joined HAL in 2002. Then there is the queen, 594 an ex-DL 1986 build which joined HAL in 2006. She will fly the last scheduled 767 service on Jan 7th, 2019 as HA19, SMF-HNL.

If you look at Planespotters.net and the HAL 767 history, it tells an interesting story. There were 4 groups of 767s that HAL operated over the years:

1 - Brand new P&W powered with the old Boeing interiors: 580, 581, 582. Originally going to another operator, AFAIK, Winglet retrofit. These had no over-wing exits.
2 - Brand new P&W powered with the new Boeing signature interior: 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592 and 593. Winglet retrofit and over-wing exits.
3 - Used P&W powered ex-LTU's, with higher GTOW's: 583, 584, 585, 586, never received the winglets.
4 - Used GE powered ex-DL 767-300's: 594, 596, 597, 598. Were enhanced to -ER status, gutted on the inside and sported the after market Boeing signature retrofit, no winglets.


Thanks for all this great info; yes, very interesting! I never knew HAL had any new-builds, I thought the entire fleet were second-hand; also didn't realize that EIGHT of the 18 never had winglets, I had thought it was only the four from DL that didn't have them.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:09 pm

iahcsr wrote:
Re #2 .. 588, 590, 592 went to UA. Surprised UA didn’t take the other four, assuming they were available. New regs are N684, 685, 686UA. 684 is in HKG for conversion/induction and other two stored at GYR for the time being.


Thanks to you as well for this info! I flew on both 588 & 590 back in Dec. 2016 PHX/HNL/PHX and nice to see they were among the 3 bought by UA. I knew588/684 was in HKG already, the HNL Rarebirds site reported it going from GYR over there, via SFO! I guess to maybe get some equipment from the UA MOC? Anyway, now I want to drive over to GYR to see the other bird, had no idea they were stored over there!
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:50 pm

Well according the news reports and FlightAware, the final scheduled HA 767 flight is in the air. HAL 19, SMF-HNL. I read that the passengers would be given leis and there would be a blessing of the plane, #594. I was on the SMF-HNL inaugural flight, 7 June 2002, so this makes me a little sad. For that inaugural, there was quite a party in the gate lounge, with dancing and a blessing ceremony, a huge tropical fruit buffet and leis for all of us. Big chocolate dipped fortune cookies in flight and leis again on arrival at HNL.
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Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:00 pm

I didn't realize the end was here already, looks like the last revenue paying flight was yesterday, Sacramento to Honolulu. being that I live in Sacramento I would've loved to have gotten some photos of the last departing flight but the weather has been lousy with rain (yes it does rain in sunny California) the past four days.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 511725002/
 
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:19 pm

Such a shame I do love the good old 767. Such a tank of an aircraft, but time catches up and we need to say good bye to the oldies. How many 321s and 787s do they have to be delivered?
 
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:23 pm

Did Hawaiian Airlines ever consider the 767-200?
 
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Wow, neither did I! Looks like, however, there might just be *one* more HAL 767 flight left (if FR24 isn't trying to hoodwink me):

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ha44

I guess fittingly it’s N594HA, which has been (I think) the oldest (ff: 09/1986!) in their fleet for some while, and per HAL’s carefully crafted tweet about the final 767-300ER flight having already happened, is a non-ER model.
 
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:37 pm

PAA25 wrote:
Wow, neither did I! Looks like, however, there might just be *one* more HAL 767 flight left (if FR24 isn't trying to hoodwink me):

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ha44

I guess fittingly it’s N594HA, which has been (I think) the oldest (ff: 09/1986!) in their fleet for some while, and per HAL’s carefully crafted tweet about the final 767-300ER flight having already happened, is a non-ER model.


594 stuck around longest as it was owned and (likely) paid off. Unfortunately there were some other mx issues in the fleet today, so 594 was called back into service on HNL-SJC for - hopefully - one last time to prevent a multi-hour delay.
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:41 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Did Hawaiian Airlines ever consider the 767-200?

Probably not.

Remember that when originally proposed and built, the 767-200 was not an overseas airplane. By the time Hawaiian was into the overseas market, they were already flying L1011s then DC-10s. When it came time to replace the DC-10s, the 767-300 was likely a better fit.
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Re: Hawaiian B767s Have Been Retired

Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:55 am

Not quite done.

https://twitter.com/crankyflier/status/ ... 5947039745 says:

Um, scratch that. Must have been a mechanical on the 321 fleet today, because the last 767 in the fleet just left Honolulu for San Jose as @HawaiianAir 44 https://www.flightradar24.com/HAL44/
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:15 am

Revelation wrote:
Not quite done.

https://twitter.com/crankyflier/status/ ... 5947039745 says:

Um, scratch that. Must have been a mechanical on the 321 fleet today, because the last 767 in the fleet just left Honolulu for San Jose as @HawaiianAir 44 https://www.flightradar24.com/HAL44/


No mechanicals in the fleet today. Just needed to play catch-up...
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:41 am

I helped certify our new build 767s by participating in the mini evac and initially loved flying it but when the 330s came into our fleet, the 767 had been replaced as my fave AC to work....most of the FAs I work with feel like I do and can’t wait until the last one is gone. I’m guessing the 787 we are getting will replace the 330 as my fave AC to work but I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:06 am

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594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)

why would the PW4060 Powered 767's Not be converted to freighters? With an engine type that has so many Hours on it be deficient in some manner? Or are you just aying that for your own prejudice for the Pratt engines?? Because I can state from Experience that engine IS relaible and Parts are Plentiful.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:56 am

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why would the PW4060 Powered 767's Not be converted to freighters? With an engine type that has so many Hours on it be deficient in some manner? Or are you just aying that for your own prejudice for the Pratt engines?? Because I can state from Experience that engine IS relaible and Parts are Plentiful.


Nothing wrong with the engine except that the customer that's driving all the 767 conversion demand at the moment has chosen GE.

Now the airframe hours, on the other hand... Amazon and its co-conspirators are putting together a high-utilization operation and a frame with 107,000 hours on it won't be useful for too many years in that sort of operation. Once they run out of lower-hour feedstock I think they are going to have to buy new-build frames.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:19 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
594 has close to 100,000 hours on it, 583 has over 107,000 and Pratt engines to boot, so less likely to be a cargo conversion. The younger 2 may still have life left as passenger airframes, but i'd suspect 594 would be bought up just for its engines, as CF-6s are in high demand (*cough* Amazon *cough)

why would the PW4060 Powered 767's Not be converted to freighters? With an engine type that has so many Hours on it be deficient in some manner? Or are you just aying that for your own prejudice for the Pratt engines?? Because I can state from Experience that engine IS relaible and Parts are Plentiful.

Oh Stirfry. No prejudice fanboy. It doesn’t make a lick of difference what powers them to me, but nice try at a dig. Just roll through the converted freighter roster on your own time and look at the breakdown between CF6 and Pratt powered 767 P2Fs. It’s approaching 10 to 1 in favor of GE. Nothing like the much more even spread on the 747 conversions. That makes them an odd duck for someone to fly for, oh I don’t know, a major company making its own air fleet like Amazon who has suppliers like CAM that just bought almost all of AAs pax fleet (and I’ll give you 3 guesses what engine they use). The data is simply there.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:44 pm

594 also appears scheduled for tonight's HNL-SJC. Hard to keep this thing retired!
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:11 pm

Not according to HA’s website. It says it is an A321.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:36 pm

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Not according to HA’s website. It says it is an A321.


Flightradar disagrees then. We'll see!
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:48 pm

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MrBretz wrote:
Not according to HA’s website. It says it is an A321.


Flightradar disagrees then. We'll see!


And so does FR24.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:53 pm

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And so does FR24.


https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n594ha

Unless I'm reading it wrong, no it doesn't!

Edit: I guess you were agreeing with me lol Yeah by Flightradar I meant FR24.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:19 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
dcajet wrote:
And so does FR24.


https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n594ha

Unless I'm reading it wrong, no it doesn't!

Edit: I guess you were agreeing with me lol Yeah by Flightradar I meant FR24.


Yeap, was agreeing with you... So much for retirement. Is this because of an A321N going tech or just another swap, HA playing catch up with the fleet, etc...?
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:27 am

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I helped certify our new build 767s by participating in the mini evac and initially loved flying it but when the 330s came into our fleet, the 767 had been replaced as my fave AC to work....most of the FAs I work with feel like I do and can’t wait until the last one is gone. I’m guessing the 787 we are getting will replace the 330 as my fave AC to work but I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.


Just out of curiosity, what was wrong with the 767's from an FA standpoint? I'm assuming the ones built this century had the newer 777-style interior and Rockwell PSS.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:00 am

Now HA website show a 763 although they did not earlier. Ah well.....I rather be on a 767.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:17 am

So much for that "last flight". But fitting that N594HA finishes this era off. One of the oldest passenger 767s left. One of the oldest commercial airliners still in regular service. Was DL's first 763. I got lucky and flew on it a couple years ago when my A330 flight was swapped to a 763. It does show its age though, but it's a piece of history.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:52 am

azjubilee wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
The only route I've been seeing HA's 767 fly on a regular basis is SMF-HNL now, after SJC-HNL switched to an A21N on January 1. SMF-HNL switches to an A330 on January 8. After then, is there any other assignments for their 767 fleet, or will they be retired, and if so, are there any ceremonies planned?


bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.


SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
I thought they were being/had been sold to UA.

As far as I can tell they still have four, two of which are either 20+ or 30+ y.o. and second hands.
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Yes, the end is imminent. Of the 18 767s HAL operated, the very slow retirement of the fleet is about to come to an end. Only 3 went to UA and have already left the fleet, in 2018. The remaining 4 are a mix of ages and histories: 581/582 - new build to HAL in Oct/Nov 2001. 583 an ex-LTU 1992 build that joined HAL in 2002. Then there is the queen, 594 an ex-DL 1986 build which joined HAL in 2006. She will fly the last scheduled 767 service on Jan 7th, 2019 as HA19, SMF-HNL.

If you look at Planespotters.net and the HAL 767 history, it tells an interesting story. There were 4 groups of 767s that HAL operated over the years:

1 - Brand new P&W powered with the old Boeing interiors: 580, 581, 582. Originally going to another operator, AFAIK, Winglet retrofit. These had no over-wing exits.
2 - Brand new P&W powered with the new Boeing signature interior: 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592 and 593. Winglet retrofit and over-wing exits.
3 - Used P&W powered ex-LTU's, with higher GTOW's: 583, 584, 585, 586, never received the winglets.
4 - Used GE powered ex-DL 767-300's: 594, 596, 597, 598. Were enhanced to -ER status, gutted on the inside and sported the after market Boeing signature retrofit, no winglets.


Awesome breakdown except the Delta birds were not Enhanced to ER status - they were dosmestic aircraft that were brought to ETOPs status. No work was done to the center tanks.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:30 pm

The return SJC to HNL today, 1/10, is now showing a 763. Maybe this will be the last flight for HA?
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:15 pm

iflykpdx wrote:
594 also appears scheduled for tonight's HNL-SJC. Hard to keep this thing retired!


Due to operational needs, 594 was swapped into the SJC flight for two days. A TSA security, bag screening and baggage belt meltdown created lots of delays the other day. Putting 594 into service helped bring the operation back to normal. It's scheduled to ferry out of HNL next week. :scratchchin:

7673mech wrote:
Awesome breakdown except the Delta birds were not Enhanced to ER status - they were domestic aircraft that were brought to ETOPs status. No work was done to the center tanks.


Thanks for the clarification! I had forgot the center tanks weren't touched and was the reason for the different fuel loading.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 pm

cathay747 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Re #2 .. 588, 590, 592 went to UA. Surprised UA didn’t take the other four, assuming they were available. New regs are N684, 685, 686UA. 684 is in HKG for conversion/induction and other two stored at GYR for the time being.


Thanks to you as well for this info! I flew on both 588 & 590 back in Dec. 2016 PHX/HNL/PHX and nice to see they were among the 3 bought by UA. I knew588/684 was in HKG already, the HNL Rarebirds site reported it going from GYR over there, via SFO! I guess to maybe get some equipment from the UA MOC? Anyway, now I want to drive over to GYR to see the other bird, had no idea they were stored over there!


Just drove by GYR and there are now FOUR HA 763's parked...two out on the "flight line" and two over by the hangar. I presume two of these four are 590/685 and 592/686 destined for UA, having done whatever they're doing to them before going to HKG like 588/684, and I'm thinking it's the two at the hangar as it seems to me from what I've seen historically that most of the aircraft out on the field are doomed; most are parted out. In fact, one of the two HA 763's out there has their name painted over and a black band over most of Pualani's face, and both with engine cowls open looking like they're getting ready to remove the engines. Three of the four still have liveries fully intact.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:13 am

Sad to see another 767 pax operator retiring the type.

A question, was Roman Abramovich's personal jet B767-33A/ER P4-MES originally intended for Hawaiian Airlines? It was originally N595HA when it rolled off the production plant and was sold to Global Jet Luxembourg immediately after?
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:48 am

juliuswong wrote:
Sad to see another 767 pax operator retiring the type.

A question, was Roman Abramovich's personal jet B767-33A/ER P4-MES originally intended for Hawaiian Airlines? It was originally N595HA when it rolled off the production plant and was sold to Global Jet Luxembourg immediately after?


Indeed. Sometime during the original 767 deliveries HAL went into a "sham bankruptcy" and one of the casualties was 767 leases and I believe what was to be 595 was caught up in that.

Tomorrow is the ferry flight to the desert for 594.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:20 pm

azjubilee wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Sad to see another 767 pax operator retiring the type.

A question, was Roman Abramovich's personal jet B767-33A/ER P4-MES originally intended for Hawaiian Airlines? It was originally N595HA when it rolled off the production plant and was sold to Global Jet Luxembourg immediately after?


Indeed. Sometime during the original 767 deliveries HAL went into a "sham bankruptcy" and one of the casualties was 767 leases and I believe what was to be 595 was caught up in that.

Tomorrow is the ferry flight to the desert for 594.


Ah, so then there will be five at GYR. At least for a while; I wonder how long those two going to UA will be around.
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:02 pm

cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:

Tomorrow is the ferry flight to the desert for 594.


Ah, so then there will be five at GYR. At least for a while; I wonder how long those two going to UA will be around.



That one is not leased, so it may be going elsewhere. Remember it had a 3-month vacation at Pinal Airpark last year.
 
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Re: Is retirement imminent for HA's 767 fleet?

Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Ah, so then there will be five at GYR. At least for a while; I wonder how long those two going to UA will be around.



You'll have to drive a little further to see it, because it isn't going to GYR, but going to MZJ.

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