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American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:22 pm

Continued from 2018 - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1384617

What could we see in 2019?
CLT- Continued domestic expansion.
ORD- More seasonal domestic growth. More Leisure-orientated European routes.
PHL- More secondary European destinations
DFW- More seasonal domestic leisure destinations. More Leisure-orientated European routes.
LAX- Connecting more dots in the midwest
JFK- What is next on the chopping block?
PHX- Europe on AA metal :checkmark: Tokyo next?
MIA- More flights down south. Shift capacity from Brazil to Colombia, Caribbean
 
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Re: American Airlines network thread 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:06 pm

I'll go first!

And be a Debbie Downer...

BFL-DFW will last until the last day of the grant that was given to re-start this service, after which AA will say, "it's not profitable". Smaller and more distant cities such as San Luis Obispo and Santa Rosa (with much better economic bases) will continue to grow and thrive, but BFL will wallow in nothingness.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:15 pm

ORD PRG for a start in summer 2020. DFW-BCN, long rurmored as well.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:42 pm

One vital question:
Was American granted the flight right freeze for ORD-PEK/PVG? If so, can they operate both? If not, will they directly dump ORD-China?
And, does AA has any plan to explore new markets? They are losing Africa from DL and Central Asia from UA. Though not fundamental markets, it is still mildly sad to leave them untouched.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:46 pm

chepos wrote:
ORD PRG for a start in summer 2020. DFW-BCN, long rurmored as well.


DFW-BCN on AA metal makes perfect sense. I'd personally be surprised at ORD-PRG but hey if ATH and VCE worked then why not! Just crazy to me how weak AA still is on ORD-Europe.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:10 pm

Themotionman wrote:
PHX- Europe on AA metal :checkmark: Tokyo next?


Near zilch chance on Tokyo, at least not for another 3-4 years. The market isn't there. PHX will be near zero in 2019 more than likely. I would expect you to see a few regional adds plus one or two trans-cons at that'll be about it.

AA's focus is on DFW (at 900 departures this summer), ORD and CLT.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:20 pm

There are still more domestic nonstop routes that could be added out of DFW on AA such as DFW-CAK, DFW-ALB, DFW-ABE, DFW-ATW, DFW-DAB, DFW-EUG, DFW-GRB, DFW-AZO, DFW-LAN, DFW-MLB, DFW-PVD, DFW-ROC, DFW-AVP, DFW-SYR, and DFW-TOL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:22 pm

Has anyone heard anything about AA adding a new city to London that isn't one of the hubs? IAD-LHR keeps coming up as a rumor... don't know how much credibility their is to this
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:01 am

AA has no presence in IAD I think .....
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:06 am

sargester wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about AA adding a new city to London that isn't one of the hubs? IAD-LHR keeps coming up as a rumor... don't know how much credibility their is to this


There is no real need for AA to serve LHR nonstop from IAD since (a) AA's oneworld partner BA already has nonstop service to LHR from IAD and BWI, (b) AA can already connect passengers to LHR through CLT, ORD, DFW, LAX, JFK, PHL, or PHX, and (c) AA frequent flyers in the Baltimore/Washington region can also already earn AAdvantage miles on BA flights.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:18 am

Themotionman wrote:
LAX- Connecting more dots in the midwest


Even though CVG, CLE, DTW, and MKE already have nonstop service to LAX on other airlines, AA could add nonstop service to CVG, CLE, DTW, and MKE in the Midwest from LAX since AA is the dominant carrier at LAX.

While MEM is located in the Southeastern U.S., AA could also add LAX-MEM nonstop service since AA has recently increased frequencies on a few existing nonstop routes out of MEM to other AA hubs.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:19 am

IAD-LHR is very much expected to be launched.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:35 am

I'm not sure what this could mean for the network, but I saw an AA 787 at LAS yesterday. What on earth are they sending 787s here for?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 am

jplatts wrote:
Themotionman wrote:
LAX- Connecting more dots in the midwest


Even though CVG, CLE, DTW, and MKE already have nonstop service to LAX on other airlines, AA could add nonstop service to CVG, CLE, DTW, and MKE in the Midwest from LAX since AA is the dominant carrier at LAX.

While MEM is located in the Southeastern U.S., AA could also add LAX-MEM nonstop service since AA has recently increased frequencies on a few existing nonstop routes out of MEM to other AA hubs.


The problem with the Southern part of the US is that Delta has a stronghold on that market. Delta was also smarter than UA (at CLE) when dehubbing CVG because it retains a decent focus city size.

The load factors for August 2018 to LAX from

CVG:
Allegiant: 89% on 27 departures
Delta: 89% on 65 departures
Frontier: 88% on 17 departures

Maybe AA could push Frontier out. Frontier doesn't really defend their turf.

CLE:
Sprirt: 89% on 31 departures
United: 92% on 54 departures

Very nice load factor from United.

DTW
Delta: 92% on 200 departures (Many of these are 752s and 753s)
Spirit: 92% on 63 departures

MKE
Southwest 93% on 31 departures

Southwest has a monopoly here. AA should grab this before DL does. Both could operate with an a319, Delta may be able to try it with the A220. I don't see why Spirit wouldn't wanna try here either. LAX seems like the only big airport Frontier doesn't have a "focus city" at so I don't see them trying this, but with so many aircraft coming online maybe?? UA is starting on United Express MSN LAX. AA is about is about to start PHX seasonally.

MEM
Allegiant 90% on 8 departures
Delta 80% on 27 departures

I don't think AA can fit at MEM.


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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:54 am

Veigar wrote:
I'm not sure what this could mean for the network, but I saw an AA 787 at LAS yesterday. What on earth are they sending 787s here for?


They are sending 787's from DFW and LAX I believe.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:06 am

Veigar wrote:
I'm not sure what this could mean for the network, but I saw an AA 787 at LAS yesterday. What on earth are they sending 787s here for?


That’s for CES. AA is also operating LAS-NRT between 1/4 and 1/14.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:16 am

Veigar wrote:
I'm not sure what this could mean for the network, but I saw an AA 787 at LAS yesterday. What on earth are they sending 787s here for?


That’s for CES. AA is also operating LAS-NRT between 1/4 and 1/14.
Tiny, unreadable text leaves ample room for interpretation.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:18 am

MAH4546 wrote:
IAD-LHR is very much expected to be launched.


Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:19 am

Not a normal contributor on the US3 threads, but I’m curious on people’s thoughts-

AA/QF JV to be finalised by DOT in Feb, in the AU threads we have speculated on changes to the QF/AA network across the Pacific;

QF Changes;
MEL-LAX daily 380 remains, 789 freq dropped
MEL-SFO increase to daily
MEL-DFW launched
BNE-LAX stand alone 789 dropped
BNE-ORD launched

AA changes
MEL-LAX launched 787, daily taking over QF 789 freq
BNE-LAX seasonal launched
AKL-LAX year round

What else could the AA/QF JV lead to from an AA side?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:29 am

alasizon wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
IAD-LHR is very much expected to be launched.


Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.


I was expecting IAD-MAD on a 75L to happen after the merger but it never did. AA has the dichotomy of being the primary domestic carrier from DCA but being an afterthought for international travel from the region. AA could leverage their DCA presence/contracts to get a decent chunk of itnl travel from iad with a few select nonstops.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:11 am

alasizon wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
IAD-LHR is very much expected to be launched.


Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.


It’s looking like IAD will indeed be it. We should know soon enough. Would replace a BA frequency.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:30 am

MAH4546 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
IAD-LHR is very much expected to be launched.


Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.


It’s looking like IAD will indeed be it. We should know soon enough. Would replace a BA frequency.

Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I really don't expect AA to add a non-hub Europe route anytime soon. RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:35 am

smi0006 wrote:
Not a normal contributor on the US3 threads, but I’m curious on people’s thoughts-

AA/QF JV to be finalised by DOT in Feb, in the AU threads we have speculated on changes to the QF/AA network across the Pacific;

QF Changes;
MEL-LAX daily 380 remains, 789 freq dropped
MEL-SFO increase to daily
MEL-DFW launched
BNE-LAX stand alone 789 dropped
BNE-ORD launched

AA changes
MEL-LAX launched 787, daily taking over QF 789 freq
BNE-LAX seasonal launched
AKL-LAX year round

What else could the AA/QF JV lead to from an AA side?


AKL-DFW seasonal?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:38 am

FA9295 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.


It’s looking like IAD will indeed be it. We should know soon enough. Would replace a BA frequency.

Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I really don't expect AA to add a non-hub Europe route anytime soon. RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.


Do you have any info as to whether RDU-LHR will be dropped (or more appropriately, switched over to BA) or is that just your gut feeling.

I've long said that AA and BA should swap their RDU and PHX routes, with AA taking over all LHR flying from PHX and BA taking over RDU-LHR.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:42 am

wn676 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
I'm not sure what this could mean for the network, but I saw an AA 787 at LAS yesterday. What on earth are they sending 787s here for?


That’s for CES. AA is also operating LAS-NRT between 1/4 and 1/14.


AA has been operating 3x daily 787 service between LAS and DFW since early November.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:52 am

FA9295 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Expected by who? AA doesn't exactly have an excess glut of WB that need places to fly, particularly from LHR. Its far better for AA and BA to continue the BA flight and have AA use the WB elsewhere. If I were going to expect an LHR add outside of a hub, IAD wouldn't be it.


It’s looking like IAD will indeed be it. We should know soon enough. Would replace a BA frequency.

Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I really don't expect AA to add a non-hub Europe route anytime soon. RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.

1. If it’s launched it will just replace a BA flight. BA/AA have a JV so it doesn’t matter which airline flies it.
2. AA technically has a hub in Washington, just not IAD. They have a lot of loyal AA fliers in the DC area that would probably take this flight instead of connect to JFK,PHL or RDU.
3. RDU is a subsidized route by a pharmaceutical company (Glaxo Smith Klein I believe). Unless the subsidy goes away this route is not going away. In fact, it’s been flying so long now it may be able to make it without the subsidy now.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:11 am

Fargo wrote:
AKL-DFW seasonal?


Sounds legit. But... after all, AKL is much more *a than it is ow. At least, they do have a station of LAX.
Will appreciate a flight to BNE&MEL more though.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:44 am

Planeboy17 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

It’s looking like IAD will indeed be it. We should know soon enough. Would replace a BA frequency.

Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I really don't expect AA to add a non-hub Europe route anytime soon. RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.

1. If it’s launched it will just replace a BA flight. BA/AA have a JV so it doesn’t matter which airline flies it.
2. AA technically has a hub in Washington, just not IAD. They have a lot of loyal AA fliers in the DC area that would probably take this flight instead of connect to JFK,PHL or RDU.
3. RDU is a subsidized route by a pharmaceutical company (Glaxo Smith Klein I believe). Unless the subsidy goes away this route is not going away. In fact, it’s been flying so long now it may be able to make it without the subsidy now.


RDU-LHR hasn’t been subsidized for years, this is a common a.net myth.

https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/04/rdu-american-airlines-gsk-london-paris-frankfurt.html
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:46 am

B1168 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
AKL-DFW seasonal?


Sounds legit. But... after all, AKL is much more *a than it is ow. At least, they do have a station of LAX.
Will appreciate a flight to BNE&MEL more though.


True, but UA does IAD-SYD due to their jv so I don’t think AA doing DFW-AKL is too unreasonable.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:47 am

FA9295 wrote:
Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I sure do.

And I was the first person to report the AA IAD-LHR rumor, it's -highly- credible.

AA will be adding more London soon.

Unrelated, this is "fresh-off-the-presses" AA route planning intel:
https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1081020455337820161
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:51 am

Fargo wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
AKL-DFW seasonal?


Sounds legit. But... after all, AKL is much more *a than it is ow. At least, they do have a station of LAX.
Will appreciate a flight to BNE&MEL more though.


True, but UA does IAD-SYD due to their jv so I don’t think AA doing DFW-AKL is too unreasonable.


Sorry for being picky, but you may really mean IAH.
And, who is UA venturing with to cause them to fly the route?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:52 am

Fargo wrote:
I've long said that AA and BA should swap their RDU and PHX routes, with AA taking over all LHR flying from PHX and BA taking over RDU-LHR.


BA will maintain a presence in PHX just as they will in DFW. Those markets are too big for BA to fully withdraw from despite the metal neutrality of the JBA. BA tested the water in PHX with 10x weekly 747 and now it'll be double daily with AA and BA sharing a frequency each. Rumours doing the rounds PHX will be one of the first A350 routes for BA after the second delivery, I'm not convinced by that though.

AA flying IAD-LHR makes zero sense, especially as they withdrew from BOS-LHR. AA has even shifted a MIA-LHR frequency to DFW-LHR - the trend is doubling down on DFW, IAD makes no sense with BA at 17x week already.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:52 am

So regarding th BA/AA JV, it does matter who flies to the EXPs & Concierge key members due to the SWU restrictions, a switch to BA metal means that SWUs can no longer be used... also, mileage upgrades for all levels go out the window....

IAD-LHR would surprise me because of Parker’s comments last year about p2p routes and how they would never do them.. kind of a quick about face...

RDU-LHR may not be subsidized but I believe there is still a corporate contract, wonder if it specified who’s metal the route needs to be flown by...
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:52 am

JonNYC wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I sure do.

And I was the first person to report the AA IAD-LHR rumor, it's -highly- credible.


I’m assuming the thinking here they want to connect Washington D.C with London on their own metal, but have to use IAD because DCA can’t handle long haul flights? I wonder how this will impact BA’s existing flight and how passengers will be able to connect on here.

Any word on if RDU-LHR will be switched to BA metal or if AA PHX-LHR will eventually go year round, replacing BA there?
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:55 am

B1168 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
B1168 wrote:

Sounds legit. But... after all, AKL is much more *a than it is ow. At least, they do have a station of LAX.
Will appreciate a flight to BNE&MEL more though.


True, but UA does IAD-SYD due to their jv so I don’t think AA doing DFW-AKL is too unreasonable.


Sorry for being picky, but you may really mean IAH.
And, who is UA venturing with to cause them to fly the route?


Yes, I meant IAH, darn phone......

It’s their jv with Air New Zealand.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:10 am

Fargo wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I really don't expect AA to add a non-hub Europe route anytime soon. RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.

1. If it’s launched it will just replace a BA flight. BA/AA have a JV so it doesn’t matter which airline flies it.
2. AA technically has a hub in Washington, just not IAD. They have a lot of loyal AA fliers in the DC area that would probably take this flight instead of connect to JFK,PHL or RDU.
3. RDU is a subsidized route by a pharmaceutical company (Glaxo Smith Klein I believe). Unless the subsidy goes away this route is not going away. In fact, it’s been flying so long now it may be able to make it without the subsidy now.


RDU-LHR hasn’t been subsidized for years, this is a common a.net myth.


https://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2015/04/rdu-american-airlines-gsk-london-paris-frankfurt.html

Thanks for the information. I apologize about spreading misinformation, it’s a pet peeve of mine and here I am guilty of it.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:12 am

HPAEAA wrote:
So regarding th BA/AA JV, it does matter who flies to the EXPs & Concierge key members due to the SWU restrictions, a switch to BA metal means that SWUs can no longer be used... also, mileage upgrades for all levels go out the window....

IAD-LHR would surprise me because of Parker’s comments last year about p2p routes and how they would never do them.. kind of a quick about face...

RDU-LHR may not be subsidized but I believe there is still a corporate contract, wonder if it specified who’s metal the route needs to be flown by...


Vasu Raja in Town Halls and Cabin Crew meetings has mentioned previously that any flying into the likes of LHR/MAD is considered a hub flight. IAD-LHR would connect IAD to a hub as it is a BA hub and it is part of the TATl JV. That being said BA has the route well covered and logistically it is easier for them to operate the route.
As to Southern Europe, that would lead me to believe AGP and OPO might on the horizon out of PHL. There is a pilot that always brings AGP into the conversation in town halls, maybe he will soon get his wish.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:55 am

Fargo wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Fargo wrote:

True, but UA does IAD-SYD due to their jv so I don’t think AA doing DFW-AKL is too unreasonable.


Sorry for being picky, but you may really mean IAH.
And, who is UA venturing with to cause them to fly the route?


Yes, I meant IAH, darn phone......

It’s their jv with Air New Zealand.


I don’t think SYD is covered in the UA JV, it’s only NZ, not AU flying. IAH on UA competes with AU-AKL-IAH on NZ.

With regard to AKL-DFW, would be a nice challenge to NZ, but could also be fed from AU from QF. In saying that QF already have SYD-DFW, and MEL-DFW is rumoured so not sure how much feed there is from AU. Perhaps a 788 route?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:21 am

Fargo wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Do you have insider information on AA's route network?

I sure do.

And I was the first person to report the AA IAD-LHR rumor, it's -highly- credible.


I’m assuming the thinking here they want to connect Washington D.C with London on their own metal, but have to use IAD because DCA can’t handle long haul flights? I wonder how this will impact BA’s existing flight and how passengers will be able to connect on here.

Any word on if RDU-LHR will be switched to BA metal or if AA PHX-LHR will eventually go year round, replacing BA there?


I doubt it, more than likely RDU-LHR will stay on AA metal for the foreseeable future but doesn't mean it couldn't happen! When it comes to PHX-LHR BA will more than likely keep its current daily flight with AA eventually making their current seasonal-flight daily year-round. That would bring PHX-LHR twice daily through their JBV, one daily AA flight and one daily BA flight. On the subject of PHX-NRT I could see PHX-FRA or PHX-CDG happening before Tokyo!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:53 am

FA9295 wrote:
RDU-LHR probaby won't last for too much longer.

But hey, stranger things have happened.


I think RDU-LHR is anchored down by GSK
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:02 am

Does anyone have any credibility for this rumour on American launching Washington Dulles (IAD) to London Heathrow (LHR)?

I can see the slot being there (as AA are leading a lunch time slot to Finnair) but would be different to see AA launch a non hub route...especially with competition from United (3 daily) and Virgin Atlantic (daily).

AA already operate Charlotte (2), Chicago (4), Dallas (4), Los Angeles (2), Miami (1), New York JFK (4), Philadelphia (2), Phoenix (1*) and Raleigh (1)
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:44 am

Could this be the year AA adds DFW-PVD? It has to be one of the larger domestic missing pieces in the nerwork.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:31 pm

cm642 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
JonNYC wrote:
I sure do.

And I was the first person to report the AA IAD-LHR rumor, it's -highly- credible.


I’m assuming the thinking here they want to connect Washington D.C with London on their own metal, but have to use IAD because DCA can’t handle long haul flights? I wonder how this will impact BA’s existing flight and how passengers will be able to connect on here.

Any word on if RDU-LHR will be switched to BA metal or if AA PHX-LHR will eventually go year round, replacing BA there?


I doubt it, more than likely RDU-LHR will stay on AA metal for the foreseeable future but doesn't mean it couldn't happen! When it comes to PHX-LHR BA will more than likely keep its current daily flight with AA eventually making their current seasonal-flight daily year-round. That would bring PHX-LHR twice daily through their JBV, one daily AA flight and one daily BA flight. On the subject of PHX-NRT I could see PHX-FRA or PHX-CDG happening before Tokyo!


PHX FRA? If that did not happen while US was in STAR, why would it happen now. LAX would see CDG before PHX and I doubt LAX will be getting CDG on AA metal anytime soon. NRT would happen way before those 2, but I agree NRT is not happening in 2020.
On the subject of IAD, would love to see PHX get a flight to IAD again. To complement the DCA service.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:06 pm

HPAEAA wrote:

IAD-LHR would surprise me because of Parker’s comments last year about p2p routes and how they would never do them.. kind of a quick about face...


I would be surprised by IAD-LHR on AA metal as well, but AA considers LHR a hub becasue of all the JV connections on BA so maybe they wouldn't consider IAD-LHR p2p
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Any chance of LAX-ICN? Seems like a good time to fill this gaping hole in their tpac network out of LAX now that SQ is gone.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:17 pm

The growth at DFW has been very inpressing.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:17 pm

The growth at DFW has been very impressing.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:30 pm

Themotionman wrote:
I think RDU-LHR is anchored down by GSK


The RDU-LHR flight was originally started with a subsidy, but it apparently makes enough money on its own and hasn't relied on the subsidy for a number of years now. GSK in fact have shut down most of their operations in RTP in favour of Philadelphia.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:40 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
The growth at DFW has been very impressing.



Yes it has. I am looking forward to see what else they are going to add.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:04 pm

Pengaea wrote:
Themotionman wrote:
I think RDU-LHR is anchored down by GSK


The RDU-LHR flight was originally started with a subsidy, but it apparently makes enough money on its own and hasn't relied on the subsidy for a number of years now. GSK in fact have shut down most of their operations in RTP in favour of Philadelphia.


I hadn't realized they moved a lot to PHL but was going to say if that wasn't the case, will the deal announced with Pfizer hurt a lot of the market. Sounds like it won't have much impact given your comments. I wonder what is supporting the route overall. Yes it's to a "hub" in LHR but it also eats up the aircraft as it doesn't get to turn to anything else and requires a maintenance team in RDU that might not otherwise be there. If they leave, I imagine DL would like to jump on the route if they could get a slot pair to do so.

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