American Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Varsity1 · Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:47 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Seems like a lot of A321Neo flying between LAX, PHX and DFW. Doesn't AA have a better use for those on longer flights?

The capacity is needed intra-hub right now.

chepos · Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:58 am

Detroit313 wrote:
It is still also very unclear when the season for the European routes is going to end in 2020 from ORD. We know and it has been confirmed that Budapest, Prague and Krakow will end at the end of October, but we still don't know what is going to happen with Athens, Rome and others. Vasu Raja mentioned multiple times that they might make Rome almost year-round from ORD next year but he couldn't confirm anything yet.

We at least know BCN will resume in April next year.

I would be surprised if ATH gets the season extended out of ORD before PHL.

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Detroit313 · Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:05 pm

chepos wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
It is still also very unclear when the season for the European routes is going to end in 2020 from ORD. We know and it has been confirmed that Budapest, Prague and Krakow will end at the end of October, but we still don't know what is going to happen with Athens, Rome and others. Vasu Raja mentioned multiple times that they might make Rome almost year-round from ORD next year but he couldn't confirm anything yet.

We at least know BCN will resume in April next year.

I would be surprised if ATH gets the season extended out of ORD before PHL.

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It wouldn't be so much of an extension in my opinion. It would be an alignment with all the other seasonal routes. There's not a single seasonal route out of ORD that ends at the end of September. Even the new ones (Krakow, Budapest and Prague) will fly until at the end of October. It only makes sense to have Athens until the end of October too.

If we can have little Prague and Budapest from both PHL and ORD in October then we can have Athens too.

MIflyer12 · Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:21 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
It only makes sense to have Athens until the end of October too.

If we can have little Prague and Budapest from both PHL and ORD in October then we can have Athens too.

What's the logic for that? This is route planning to maximize profit - not a child's 3rd grade birthday party where you're obligated to invite the whole class in the interest of fairness.

If traffic and avg fares to XXX fall off in the early fall such that AA has a better use of the plane and crew elsewhere (or just to park it), fine.

UpNAWAy · Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:36 pm

Good point MIFlyer, Every Market is a unique thing. Its weird how much we all like to have symmetry in this business for Schedules, Dots (Cities) on a Map, Equipment use etc. in the airline business when ultimately none of that is related to maximizing assets and profits.

Detroit313 · Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:35 pm

Delta just announced that it will expand the season for Athens from New York. They will fly the route from April 1st until the end of October. That's 7 months.

AA should fly the route for 7 months too. Whether from Philadelphia, Chicago or both.

The flights have been packed all season. ORD - ATH has probably been one of the greatest success stories for AA in the past few years when it comes to new routes.

Ishrion · Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:14 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Delta just announced that it will expand the season for Athens from New York. They will fly the route from April 1st until the end of October. That's 7 months.

AA should fly the route for 7 months too. Whether from Philadelphia, Chicago or both.

The flights have been packed all season. ORD - ATH has probably been one of the greatest success stories for AA in the past few years when it comes to new routes.

And AA should launch PHL-NCE/AGP/PDL/GLA/CPH/HNL and DL should launch JFK-CMN/DBV/MAN to match each other, right?

And BA should launch 2x daily LHR-DTW because DL is flying 2x daily DTW-LHR?

Detroit313 · Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:38 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Delta just announced that it will expand the season for Athens from New York. They will fly the route from April 1st until the end of October. That's 7 months.

AA should fly the route for 7 months too. Whether from Philadelphia, Chicago or both.

The flights have been packed all season. ORD - ATH has probably been one of the greatest success stories for AA in the past few years when it comes to new routes.

And AA should launch PHL-NCE/AGP/PDL/GLA/CPH/HNL and DL should launch JFK-CMN/DBV/MAN to match each other, right?

And BA should launch 2x daily LHR-DTW because DL is flying 2x daily DTW-LHR?

We are talking about the length of competitive routes that they both already fly. Same destination. Existing route. Length of seasons. Your post is completely irrelevant.

Ishrion · Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:54 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Delta just announced that it will expand the season for Athens from New York. They will fly the route from April 1st until the end of October. That's 7 months.

AA should fly the route for 7 months too. Whether from Philadelphia, Chicago or both.

The flights have been packed all season. ORD - ATH has probably been one of the greatest success stories for AA in the past few years when it comes to new routes.

And AA should launch PHL-NCE/AGP/PDL/GLA/CPH/HNL and DL should launch JFK-CMN/DBV/MAN to match each other, right?

And BA should launch 2x daily LHR-DTW because DL is flying 2x daily DTW-LHR?

We are talking about the length of competitive routes that they both already fly. Same destination. Existing route. Length of seasons. Your post is completely irrelevant.

Alright... back on topic. Just because an airline increases service to a city, does not mean another must do the same. The world doesn’t revolve around ATH.

I’m sure AA’s summer schedule isn’t finalized yet. We’ll probably see more changes and extensions.

Detroit313 · Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:45 am

It is also interesting to see if Tokyo from Chicago stays or they give it completely to Japan Airlines.

DanDun · Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:10 pm

In a company E-mail. They company announced they will be ending ORD-NRT flights on Jan 3, 2020. JAL will go double daily in February

Ishrion · Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:40 pm

DanDun wrote:
In a company E-mail. They company announced they will be ending ORD-NRT flights on Jan 3, 2020. JAL will go double daily in February

External leaks... thank you.

Logical if true. Sounds like there should be a PR regarding HND today?

Detroit313 · Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:44 pm

Chicago will exclusively focus on Europe now. I hope that means longer seasons.

Varsity1 · Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:24 pm

Wonder what the airplane will be used for?

FSDan · Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:32 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Wonder what the airplane will be used for?

Additional Europe service: ORD-KRK/PRG/BUD will require two 788 frames, plus PHL-MAN/AMS/ZRH all going 788 in 2020.

Detroit313 · Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:49 am

Some nice season extensions were officially announced today. Rome from JFK, Dublin from DFW and Barcelona from ORD.

The press release said that we should stay tuned for more extensions announced in the next few weeks.

Sydscott · Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:11 am

Just to bring this thread up to date with recent developments so they are consolidated:

Increased service to South America announced.

MIA-LIM - increase from 2 to 3 daily services effective April 7, 2020
MIA-SCL - increase in services effective Winter 2020
MIA-GRU - increase from 2 to 3 daily services effective Winter 2020

To Europe we have:

BOS-LHR - 1 daily service resumption effective March 29, 2020
JFK-FCO - seasonal flight now starting on March 29th rather than May 3. Now ending October 23rd rather than October 27th;
DFW-DUB - seasonal flight now starting on May 7th rather than June 6. Now ending October 7th rather than September 29th;
ORD-BCN - seasonal flight now starting on April 6th rather than May 3. Now ending October 23rd rather than October 27th;

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

chepos · Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:37 am

It will be interesting to see what new cities get added in South America. If new partnerships get formed, and with whom? I would like to see Cuzco added back, AA flew it in the late 90’s (with a stop in LIM) but originating in JFK.

On another note, the increase South Pacific flying in coop with QF supposedly should be announced this month (Oct).

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Ishrion · Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:15 am

chepos wrote:
It will be interesting to see what new cities get added in South America. If new partnerships get formed, and with whom? I would like to see Cuzco added back, AA flew it in the late 90’s (with a stop in LIM) but originating in JFK.

On another note, the increase South Pacific flying in coop with QF supposedly should be announced this month (Oct).

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Return of Belo Horizonte and Recife?

Increase COR? I think there was some article about that...

Ishrion · Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:05 pm

chepos wrote:
It will be interesting to see what new cities get added in South America. If new partnerships get formed, and with whom? I would like to see Cuzco added back, AA flew it in the late 90’s (with a stop in LIM) but originating in JFK.

On another note, the increase South Pacific flying in coop with QF supposedly should be announced this month (Oct).

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https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/stat ... 1660605441

Cuzco.

anymaninfc · Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:03 pm

Looks like AA has three A321Neos scheduled for Hawaiian service on Thurs, Oct 3. Routes will be PHX to HNL, KOA and OGG.

yyz717 · Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:47 pm

Small news but AA is upgrading one of the 3x daily MIA-YYZ 319s later this fall to 321 service on certain days, through the winter. This route is heavily seasonal and AC Rouge will also be upgrading from 319 to 321.

Ishrion · Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:34 pm

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 4337780736

American Airlines will bring the 777-200ER to ORD-LHR effective March 29.

chepos · Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:33 pm

Ishrion wrote:
https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1180765664337780736

American Airlines will bring the 777-200ER to ORD-LHR effective March 29.

Seems odd, for operational simplicity I thought they wanted to center all long haul departures ex ORD on the 787 fleet.

As a side note, the inbound 777 comes in at 12 something and departs at 720 pm I believe. I wonder if a DFW 777 rotation is going to be built into the schedule for repositioning purposes.

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Ishrion · Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:45 am

Apparently AA began operating the 789 on DFW-HNL as AA5/8 a few days ago? Didn't hear anything on that.

Looks like it's running until Nov. 3 when it switches to 2x 772 or only 1x daily 772.

Additionally, from December 18 it looks like AA has converted its 3x daily DFW-HNL of 2x 772 and 1x 788 to 1x 772 and 2x 789.

The previous schedule: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w19/

DFW-OGG remains 3x 772. Sort of surprised they're not returning to Lihue with this huge capacity for the holidays...

Detroit313 · Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:02 am

777 at ORD? That's shocking!

chepos · Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:19 am

Detroit313 wrote:
777 at ORD? That's shocking!

Surprising, yes. I believe it last operated long haul out of ORD in 2017 on the ORD-FCO run.

As a sidenote, looking at the MIA-LIM schedule with the 3rd daily addition, MIA-LIM once again gets a redeye on AA. The 763 is still scheduled on MIA-LIM as well, it had been reported earlier MIA-LIM was going all 757.

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usflyer msp · Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:25 am

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Detroit313 wrote:
777 at ORD? That's shocking!

I know AA has stated that the reconfiguration of the 788 fleet down to C20 has been problematic on ORD-LHR. It does not have enough premium seats so they have had to send business to their competitors because AA is sold out. This why the brought in a 789 to ORD this summer and bringing in a 772 in the spring.

Ishrion · Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:01 am

usflyer msp wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Detroit313 wrote:
777 at ORD? That's shocking!

I know AA has stated that the reconfiguration of the 788 fleet down to C20 has been problematic on ORD-LHR. It does not have enough premium seats so they have had to send business to their competitors because AA is sold out. This why the brought in a 789 to ORD this summer and bringing in a 772 in the spring.

Isn’t United utilizing the high density J 763 on ORD-LHR? I suppose AA would need to compete with more premium seats...

Detroit313 · Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:19 pm

Still waiting on more season extension news.

N62NA · Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:19 pm

Looks like MIA-LAX loses lie-flat aircraft / "Flagship" service starting in mid-January 2020. They are going all "domestic" A321 plus one 738. Very disappointing.

usairways85 · Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:11 pm

A few other widebody schedule updates.
Between 11/3 - 11/20 PHL-LAX goes 2x widebody with a 332 and 333
Between 11/3 - 11/20 PHL-LAS is roughly 2x widebody with 2x 763
On 11/29 there are 332s on CLT-LAX/LAS
The PHL-BOS 763 rotations end 11/2
The 332 returns to PHL-SFO for Nov/Dec with some 763s in the schedule

Miamiairport · Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:24 pm

N62NA wrote:
Looks like MIA-LAX loses lie-flat aircraft / "Flagship" service starting in mid-January 2020. They are going all "domestic" A321 plus one 738. Very disappointing.

AA will still call it Flagship Service with a LUS 321 no less. And you wonder why Parker's job is allegedly in jeopardy.

N62NA · Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:01 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Looks like MIA-LAX loses lie-flat aircraft / "Flagship" service starting in mid-January 2020. They are going all "domestic" A321 plus one 738. Very disappointing.

AA will still call it Flagship Service with a LUS 321 no less. And you wonder why Parker's job is allegedly in jeopardy.

Except on the booking page on AA.com they no longer have the label "Flagship" displayed on the (very expensive) F fares.

I guess AA isn't worried at all about jetBlue and their Mint service up the road at FLL.

MAH4546 · Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:06 pm

N62NA wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Looks like MIA-LAX loses lie-flat aircraft / "Flagship" service starting in mid-January 2020. They are going all "domestic" A321 plus one 738. Very disappointing.

AA will still call it Flagship Service with a LUS 321 no less. And you wonder why Parker's job is allegedly in jeopardy.

Except on the booking page on AA.com they no longer have the label "Flagship" displayed on the (very expensive) F fares.

I guess AA isn't worried at all about jetBlue and their Mint service up the road at FLL.

They are definitely worried, hence the A321Ts trial.

Plus Delta will inevitably be entering the market, and I bet with DeltaOne.

tphuang · Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:16 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:

AA will still call it Flagship Service with a LUS 321 no less. And you wonder why Parker's job is allegedly in jeopardy.

Except on the booking page on AA.com they no longer have the label "Flagship" displayed on the (very expensive) F fares.

I guess AA isn't worried at all about jetBlue and their Mint service up the road at FLL.

They are definitely worried, hence the A321Ts trial.

Plus Delta will inevitably be entering the market, and I bet with DeltaOne.

Well, the introduction of mint basically forced DL off their summer seasonal service. They better be prepared to lose a lot of money if they want to try again.

FLL lax is now up to 4x daily and still making plenty of money. Going to keep growing until aa comes up with a solution.

N62NA · Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:24 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:

AA will still call it Flagship Service with a LUS 321 no less. And you wonder why Parker's job is allegedly in jeopardy.

Except on the booking page on AA.com they no longer have the label "Flagship" displayed on the (very expensive) F fares.

I guess AA isn't worried at all about jetBlue and their Mint service up the road at FLL.

They are definitely worried, hence the A321Ts trial.

Plus Delta will inevitably be entering the market, and I bet with DeltaOne.

DL - we'll see.

If you are "definitely worried" you don't dump your last flight with lie-flats in favor of the standard 321s and have NO lie-flat flight on a "high premium demand" route.

The 321T "trial" doesn't seem like a trial at all. It's for less than a month (Dec 19 - Jan 6), over a non-typical travel period.Seems more like they wanted to pour more premium seats into the market for the Christmas / New Year's holiday period.

JonNYC · Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:48 pm

N62NA wrote:
DL - we'll see.

If you are "definitely worried" you don't dump your last flight with lie-flats in favor of the standard 321s and have NO lie-flat flight on a "high premium demand" route.

The 321T "trial" doesn't seem like a trial at all. It's for less than a month (Dec 19 - Jan 6), over a non-typical travel period.Seems more like they wanted to pour more premium seats into the market for the Christmas / New Year's holiday period.

Correct on all counts.

Brickell305 · Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:15 pm

N62NA wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:

Except on the booking page on AA.com they no longer have the label "Flagship" displayed on the (very expensive) F fares.

I guess AA isn't worried at all about jetBlue and their Mint service up the road at FLL.

They are definitely worried, hence the A321Ts trial.

Plus Delta will inevitably be entering the market, and I bet with DeltaOne.

DL - we'll see.

If you are "definitely worried" you don't dump your last flight with lie-flats in favor of the standard 321s and have NO lie-flat flight on a "high premium demand" route.

The 321T "trial" doesn't seem like a trial at all. It's for less than a month (Dec 19 - Jan 6), over a non-typical travel period.Seems more like they wanted to pour more premium seats into the market for the Christmas / New Year's holiday period.

Agreed on all counts. This was just a way to boost premium seats during the holidays. Probably to get wealthy Angelenos to the Caribbean.

I do see DL returning to LAX-MIA if they plan to boost domestic there. That plus increased NYC, a return to intra-Florida, RDU year round plus other increases.

N62NA · Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:56 pm

The irony is, AA is offering lie-flat on MIA-LAS!

727LOVER · Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:09 am

Side question...is this all of the special livery aircraft?

N915NN TWA
N916NN Reno Air
N917NN Air Cal
N921NN heritage/classic livery
N162AA breast cancer
N905NN heritage/lightning bolt livery
N578IW US heritage
N838AW Am West heritage
N744P Piedmont
N742PS PSA
N745VJ Allegheny

I know I'm missing the ONE WORLD aircraft, but I don't know how many there are. I only know of N838NN

I see some in the database, but pics are a few years old, so I don't know what is current

Ishrion · Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:21 am

727LOVER wrote:
Side question...is this all of the special livery aircraft?

N915NN TWA
N916NN Reno Air
N917NN Air Cal
N921NN heritage/classic livery
N162AA breast cancer
N905NN heritage/lightning bolt livery
N578IW US heritage
N838AW Am West heritage
N744P Piedmont
N742PS PSA
N745VJ Allegheny

I know I'm missing the ONE WORLD aircraft, but I don't know how many there are. I only know of N838NN

I see some in the database, but pics are a few years old, so I don't know what is current

Oneworld:
772: N791AN, N796AN
763: N343AN
738: N837NN, N838NN, N919NN

This website will show all of the current aircraft in AA's fleet, including special liveries. It's pretty up-to-date... usually: https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... n-mainline

727LOVER · Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:50 am

Ishrion wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Side question...is this all of the special livery aircraft?

N915NN TWA
N916NN Reno Air
N917NN Air Cal
N921NN heritage/classic livery
N162AA breast cancer
N905NN heritage/lightning bolt livery
N578IW US heritage
N838AW Am West heritage
N744P Piedmont
N742PS PSA
N745VJ Allegheny

I know I'm missing the ONE WORLD aircraft, but I don't know how many there are. I only know of N838NN

I see some in the database, but pics are a few years old, so I don't know what is current

Oneworld:
772: N791AN, N796AN
763: N343AN
738: N837NN, N838NN, N919NN

This website will show all of the current aircraft in AA's fleet, including special liveries. It's pretty up-to-date... usually: https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... n-mainline

Thank you so much !!!

Are there any for other US carriers?

Ishrion · Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:01 am

727LOVER wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Side question...is this all of the special livery aircraft?

N915NN TWA
N916NN Reno Air
N917NN Air Cal
N921NN heritage/classic livery
N162AA breast cancer
N905NN heritage/lightning bolt livery
N578IW US heritage
N838AW Am West heritage
N744P Piedmont
N742PS PSA
N745VJ Allegheny

I know I'm missing the ONE WORLD aircraft, but I don't know how many there are. I only know of N838NN

I see some in the database, but pics are a few years old, so I don't know what is current

Oneworld:
772: N791AN, N796AN
763: N343AN
738: N837NN, N838NN, N919NN

This website will show all of the current aircraft in AA's fleet, including special liveries. It's pretty up-to-date... usually: https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... n-mainline

Thank you so much !!!

Are there any for other US carriers?

I haven't heard of any, but some people here may know of one.

Ishrion · Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:40 am

American Airlines' DFW-TLV flight has been loaded:

Depart DFW 10:20 p.m. Arrive TLV 7:10 p.m. - block time 12h50m
Depart TLV 10:05 p.m. Arrive DFW 5:05 a.m. - block time 15h

Detroit313 · Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:13 pm

Vasu Raja asked 3 weeks ago that we stay tuned for more season extension announcements "in the coming weeks". Nothing so far. I wonder if we hear anything this week.

Ishrion · Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:07 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Vasu Raja asked 3 weeks ago that we stay tuned for more season extension announcements "in the coming weeks". Nothing so far. I wonder if we hear anything this week.

Patience. It was two weeks ago on September 30th.

Don't forget the Oceanic announcements should be this month, at the earliest. I wouldn't be surprised to see them announce everything in one go.

jplatts · Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:20 pm

The largest markets in the U.S. without nonstop service to DFW include PVD, ALB, ROC, CAK, ABE, SYR, CRW, TOL, PWM, AVP, LAN, AZO, ATW, GRB, and EUG.

Here are the PDEW's for some of the top domestic routes without nonstop service out of DFW in Q4 2018:
DFW/DAL-PVD - 65
DFW/DAL-ROC - 62
DFW/DAL-SYR - 54
DFW/DAL-PWM - 43
DFW/DAL-CHO - 31
DFW/DAL-AVP - 28
DFW/DAL-FAY - 21
DFW/DAL-GRB - 19
DFW/DAL-RDM - 17
DFW/DAL-ATW - 17
DFW/DAL-ABE - 17
DFW/DAL-DAB - 15
DFW/DAL-CRW - 15
DFW/DAL-CAK - 14
DFW/DAL-FNT - 14

Of the markets listed above, AA could add at nonstop service to at least ALB, CHO, PWM, PVD, ROC, and SYR out of DFW.

Will AA announce any additional nonstop routes out of DFW such as DFW-ALB/CHO/PWM/PVD/ROC/SYR either later this year or early next year?

CHOWahoo · Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:04 pm

6x to 10x weekly on an Envoy E135/145 sounds about right sized for CHO from a financial standpoint (certainly not pax comfort). The airport has been trying for awhile to get DFW service. AA may feel that the market is adequately covered with existing high frequency service to CLT and direct service from RIC. Also ORD service allows for connecting traffic to many western markets.

Boston757 · Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:15 pm

Today at the AA-MIA 30th anniversary party Mayor Gimenez said he is looking for a 4th continent out of AA. Twice, he made it clear that he wanted AA to add a 4th continent to their hub in MIA. So AA would fly 4 continents if the Mayor gets what he has been looking for.

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