Antarius wrote:

USAirALB wrote:

I find it interesting that BOS is getting the one-off service to AGS/SDF/OMA, instead of feeding that traffic through the hubs.

All of this makes me wonder if something bigger is planned for BOS. At the very least, I guess this means that AA recognizes the threat that DL poses to BOS and AA is willing to fight (at least somewhat) to keep its marketshare there. IIRC, AA is still the second largest carrier in BOS in terms of passengers carried. I'm not suggesting we will see AA return to its pre 9/11 schedule there were it operated a quasi-hub, but I wouldn't be surprised to see AA make a return to certain key markets ex BOS, such as RDU or SFO.

You are correct; AA is #2 which really surprised me: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports. ... ame=Boston

AA also recently announced BOS-LHR, so it definitely seems that they are ready to stop conceding the market.

It’s not really too surprising for two reasons:
1. Delta’s “hub” in Boston is based on regionals that this data wouldn’t include (right?)
2. Delta was already Marketing how big they were in Boston and their market position even when they were behind AA in size (regionals included), Boston “hub” has always been a marketing thing for them against B6

USAirALB wrote:

All of this makes me wonder if something bigger is planned for BOS.
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I'm not suggesting we will see AA return to its pre 9/11 schedule there were it operated a quasi-hub, but I wouldn't be surprised to see AA make a return to certain key markets ex BOS, such as RDU or SFO.

How much room does AA have to expand? Didn't they just recently consolidate down into far fewer gates at BOS (allowing WN to move into B and DL to take over all of A)?

The 763 returns to LAX from March 29, 2020. I think it's been 1-2 years?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

I suppose with the 777s going to be used elsewhere, and the 787s still being kept away from MIA, a once daily 763 on the route is "premium" compared to the domestic A321s and occasional 738 AA is putting on the route.

AA #277 MIA 7:45am LAX 10:45am
AA #1297 LAX 11:55am MIA 7:47pm

Looks like they are pulling it off the SFO route and using it on the LAX route.

So, Athens is the only seasonal route from Chicago that ends on October the 7th and not on October 24th. I wonder why only that one route out of all of them. Like, come on. Just let it fly for 2 more weeks to match all the other routes. Weird.

Detroit313 wrote:

So, Athens is the only seasonal route from Chicago that ends on October the 7th and not on October 24th. I wonder why only that one route out of all of them. Like, come on. Just let it fly for 2 more weeks to match all the other routes. Weird.

Gotta have that 788 available for LAX-AKL on the 7th

Ishrion wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

So, Athens is the only seasonal route from Chicago that ends on October the 7th and not on October 24th. I wonder why only that one route out of all of them. Like, come on. Just let it fly for 2 more weeks to match all the other routes. Weird.

Gotta have that 788 available for LAX-AKL on the 7th

It makes sense I guess. The new ones, Prague, Budapest and Krakow are not daily so a daily route would have to be cut for the planes to go to Los Angeles.

Dublin in DFW is the only other 787 route I can think of system-wide that ends on October the 6th-7th.

Hopefully in 2021 when AA is going to have more 787-8s, Athens from ORD and Dublin from DFW will fly until the end of October too.

Let’s try this again then because I wasn’t allowed to have LHR-PDX in the earlier thread.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

ORD-BCN extended once again to November 28.
ORD-ATH extended to October 24.
DFW-FCO (goes 788) extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-PRG extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-LIS (goes A330) extended to January 5, 2021.

Very nice extensions especially into the winter.

the press release says this: Today, American Airlines and Atlantic Joint Business (AJB) partner British Airways announced the first and only service from Portland, Oregon (PDX), to London (LHR). British Airways will operate the flight, which starts June 1.

Delta has operated LHR-PDX for the past few years... i'm confused?

jasoncrh wrote:

the press release says this: Today, American Airlines and Atlantic Joint Business (AJB) partner British Airways announced the first and only service from Portland, Oregon (PDX), to London (LHR). British Airways will operate the flight, which starts June 1.

Delta has operated LHR-PDX for the past few years... i'm confused?

Ha! Maybe it was written by an intern? In the BA release it says the first year round service on PDX-LHR, which I think is accurate.

Ishrion wrote:

Let’s try this again then because I wasn’t allowed to have LHR-PDX in the earlier thread.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

ORD-BCN extended once again to November 28.
ORD-ATH extended to October 24.
DFW-FCO (goes 788) extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-PRG extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-LIS (goes A330) extended to January 5, 2021.

Very nice extensions especially into the winter.

So PHL-PRG and PHL-LIS both go A330. And the other three mentioned above go 788.No more 767? I was hoping to see still a few 767 routes out of PHL. I know American still has at least one more year of flying the 767. I think that it would be interesting to point out which routes will still see the 767 in 2020. As far as hubs are concerned, only PHL and MIA will still see the 767.
Thanks anyway for the info. Good to know what AA is doing with its OW partners BA, IB and AY.

American 767 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

Let’s try this again then because I wasn’t allowed to have LHR-PDX in the earlier thread.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

ORD-BCN extended once again to November 28.
ORD-ATH extended to October 24.
DFW-FCO (goes 788) extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-PRG extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-LIS (goes A330) extended to January 5, 2021.

Very nice extensions especially into the winter.

So PHL-PRG and PHL-LIS both go A330. And the other three mentioned above go 788.No more 767? I was hoping to see still a few 767 routes out of PHL. I know American still has at least one more year of flying the 767. I think that it would be interesting to point out which routes will still see the 767 in 2020. As far as hubs are concerned, only PHL and MIA will still see the 767.
Thanks anyway for the info. Good to know what AA is doing with its OW partners BA, IB and AY.

I know DBV and TXL for sure will be on a 767 for next summer for international.

Ishrion wrote:

Let’s try this again then because I wasn’t allowed to have LHR-PDX in the earlier thread.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

ORD-BCN extended once again to November 28.
ORD-ATH extended to October 24.
DFW-FCO (goes 788) extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-PRG extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-LIS (goes A330) extended to January 5, 2021.

Very nice extensions especially into the winter.

Detroit 313 will be happy with the ATH extension until 10/24.

So, LIS will operate with the 330 all next summer season then?


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American 767 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

Let’s try this again then because I wasn’t allowed to have LHR-PDX in the earlier thread.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

ORD-BCN extended once again to November 28.
ORD-ATH extended to October 24.
DFW-FCO (goes 788) extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-PRG extended to January 5, 2021.
PHL-LIS (goes A330) extended to January 5, 2021.

Very nice extensions especially into the winter.

So PHL-PRG and PHL-LIS both go A330. And the other three mentioned above go 788.No more 767? I was hoping to see still a few 767 routes out of PHL. I know American still has at least one more year of flying the 767. I think that it would be interesting to point out which routes will still see the 767 in 2020. As far as hubs are concerned, only PHL and MIA will still see the 767.
Thanks anyway for the info. Good to know what AA is doing with its OW partners BA, IB and AY.

PHL-BUD is a 767.


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Wonder if AA feels it needs some additional widebody capacity. I know some can come off intra-US and Caribbean routes, but the airline has got to be losing flex in its widebodies.

Yay for all the extensions!!! Good job AA!!!

Who would have ever imagined when they announced Prague 2-3 years ago from Philadelphia that it would end up being an almost year-round route.

Also, this forum predicted that Rome would flop from DFW and watch it becoming almost year round too!

And Lisbon from Philadelphia until January too?

I'm shocked.

PHL-PRG is really an interesting story. As Prague doesn’t have any year-round transatlantic service, AA can be really succesful there, even though the service won’t be fully year-round. I wonder if Delta (and SkyTeam in general) will notice any change in their demand to/from PRG. Delta seems to be relying too much on connecting flights via mega-hubs such as CDG, AMS or FRA, but their JFK-PRG service should have definitely gone year-round already. Now they might significantly lose on the quickly growing PRG transatlantic market (PHL route started in 2018, EWR in 2019 and ORD in 2020).

MettP wrote:

PHL-PRG is really an interesting story. As Prague doesn’t have any year-round transatlantic service, AA can be really succesful there, even though the service won’t be fully year-round. I wonder if Delta (and SkyTeam in general) will notice any change in their demand to/from PRG. Delta seems to be relying too much on connecting flights via mega-hubs such as CDG, AMS or FRA, but their JFK-PRG service should have definitely gone year-round already. Now they might significantly lose on the quickly growing PRG transatlantic market (PHL route started in 2018, EWR in 2019 and ORD in 2020).

DL years back flew JFK-PRG year round, I personally flew it in Feb 2012. It was cut down to seasonal a few years later.


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MettP wrote:

PHL-PRG is really an interesting story. As Prague doesn’t have any year-round transatlantic service, AA can be really succesful there, even though the service won’t be fully year-round. I wonder if Delta (and SkyTeam in general) will notice any change in their demand to/from PRG. Delta seems to be relying too much on connecting flights via mega-hubs such as CDG, AMS or FRA, but their JFK-PRG service should have definitely gone year-round already. Now they might significantly lose on the quickly growing PRG transatlantic market (PHL route started in 2018, EWR in 2019 and ORD in 2020).

DL was very strong in the eastern Europe market, but they "retreated" to the Euro hubs. AA seems to have found/taken the niche in serving the major vacation destinations (look at almost the entire ORD-Europe summer schedule).

American can connect the entire country to those places in Europe from ORD and PHL. Delta cannot really do that from JFK.

Some of these extensions are truly astonishing.

jbs2886 wrote:

MettP wrote:

PHL-PRG is really an interesting story. As Prague doesn’t have any year-round transatlantic service, AA can be really succesful there, even though the service won’t be fully year-round. I wonder if Delta (and SkyTeam in general) will notice any change in their demand to/from PRG. Delta seems to be relying too much on connecting flights via mega-hubs such as CDG, AMS or FRA, but their JFK-PRG service should have definitely gone year-round already. Now they might significantly lose on the quickly growing PRG transatlantic market (PHL route started in 2018, EWR in 2019 and ORD in 2020).

DL was very strong in the eastern Europe market, but they "retreated" to the Euro hubs. AA seems to have found/taken the niche in serving the major vacation destinations (look at almost the entire ORD-Europe summer schedule).

I do recall years ago even ATL had seasonal PRG service. I wonder if that is something they will entertain once more.


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MettP wrote:

PHL-PRG is really an interesting story. As Prague doesn’t have any year-round transatlantic service, AA can be really succesful there, even though the service won’t be fully year-round. I wonder if Delta (and SkyTeam in general) will notice any change in their demand to/from PRG. Delta seems to be relying too much on connecting flights via mega-hubs such as CDG, AMS or FRA, but their JFK-PRG service should have definitely gone year-round already. Now they might significantly lose on the quickly growing PRG transatlantic market (PHL route started in 2018, EWR in 2019 and ORD in 2020).

So glad to hear about this extension. One of the things I hate personally is going through LHR in the winter with common delays and strikes affecting layovers between Prague and North America there (if one wants to fly with oneworld).

I know there's a booming, healthy market for TATL travel to/from Prague and hope AA does very well on both PHL and ORD services.

Unlike Vienna and Warsaw, Prague still misses a link to the US West Coast. New-gen aircraft economics might make a route like LAX-PRG viable and profitable soon.

Detroit313 wrote:

American can connect the entire country to those places in Europe from ORD and PHL. Delta cannot really do that from JFK.

Some of these extensions are truly astonishing.

Is Delta’s regional network from JFK as bad? What I was thinking about are the US regional airports, from which passengers have to connect two times in winter, firstly in some major US hub and then in major european hub to get to Prague. If any carrier flew year-round US-PRG service, they could get a big market share here and I think it would greatly rise the passenger numbers between US and PRG in the winter, as for many people two connections aren’t acceptable and they rather choose another destination.

Regarding Delta’s ATL-PRG, there were rumors that Prague airport is leading negotiations with DL about this route, maybe a candidate for 2021 new route.

So, is PHL - ATH going to end on October 7th or October 24th?

MettP wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

American can connect the entire country to those places in Europe from ORD and PHL. Delta cannot really do that from JFK.

Is Delta’s regional network from JFK as bad?

DL's JFK network doesn't reach most of the small-to-medium sized towns that AA serves from ORD and PHL. However, if we're talking about filling connections on a TATL flight in winter, I'm pretty sure DL's JFK network would reach 90+% of where the demand is: Florida, California, Texas, LAS, PHX, DEN, and major cities up and down the East Coast and in the Midwest.

We'll have to see if DL extends the season on any of their TATL flights in response to some of these changes by AA. I believe they extended JFK-ATH some recently, so I could see them doing the same for JFK-PRG if they see demand there and want to protect market share.

Detroit313 wrote:

So, is PHL - ATH going to end on October 7th or October 24th?

ORD-ATH loaded to the 23rd, PHL-ATH is not.

So... looks like 1 of 3 daily MIA-LIM flights will be on the 763 now. Previously it was 3x 752s

Ishrion wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

So, is PHL - ATH going to end on October 7th or October 24th?

ORD-ATH loaded to the 23rd, PHL-ATH is not.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start ORD - ATH in April in 2021. The route is mirroring the success of Barcelona. First extended it into October, then April.

Ishrion wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

So, is PHL - ATH going to end on October 7th or October 24th?

ORD-ATH loaded to the 23rd, PHL-ATH is not.

Unless you have some inside information, the current schedules (from all sources) still show BOTH flights end on October 6, 2020.

acentauri wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

Detroit313 wrote:

So, is PHL - ATH going to end on October 7th or October 24th?

ORD-ATH loaded to the 23rd, PHL-ATH is not.

Unless you have some inside information, the current schedules (from all sources) still show BOTH flights end on October 6, 2020.

Weird, it was just loaded on aa.com.

Ishrion wrote:

acentauri wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

ORD-ATH loaded to the 23rd, PHL-ATH is not.

Unless you have some inside information, the current schedules (from all sources) still show BOTH flights end on October 6, 2020.

Weird, it was just loaded on aa.com.

Not sure what happened, but RoutesOnline has confirmed that ORD-ATH is extended until 23 October (outbound) and 24 October (return).

dfw88 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

acentauri wrote:

Unless you have some inside information, the current schedules (from all sources) still show BOTH flights end on October 6, 2020.

Weird, it was just loaded on aa.com.

Not sure what happened, but RoutesOnline has confirmed that ORD-ATH is extended until 23 October (outbound) and 24 October (return).

Of course ORD-ATH extension is confirmed, AA announced it last week.