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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:50 am

Very sad to hear... changed the landscape of US Aviation for ever. RIP Herb, rest in peace and raise a glass up there with the other aviation pioneers
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:51 am

I despise Southwest, to the point of inability to reference it without concurrently taking a swipe at it... but there's no denying that this man's vision + execution were beyond legendary. Surpassing even the likes of Juan Trippe, IMO.

He completely changed the way the industry accommodates passengers, prices services, and even how Boeing (and indirectly, Airbus) design their aircraft.

Rest peacefully great pioneer, and thank you!



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I can't believe it was Herb's turn.

He was in his late '80s and smoked multiple packs per day... it's not that surprising....
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:54 am

This year is starting off badly

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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:56 am

RIP, Herb.

Condolences to his family, friends, employees, and fans.
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:57 am

Well lived, sir. :tombstone:
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:59 am

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F9Animal wrote:
No!!!! OMG!!! I feel absolutely crushed! He was an absolutely amazing man. I hope Southwest does something special for his services.


They've had N711HK operating in his honor for years now, do you think it could mean they make another tribute livery?


Indeed, I feel that the color scheme is fitting for the person it honors. But I do wonder why they didn’t “fully” replicate it with the painted white window borders. I feel that would authenticate it more. Moreso if they repainted it with “Southwest Airlines” going across the aft fuselage and up the tail.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:23 am

Not to show disrespect as he was a phenomenal leader, but wasn't he a chain-smoker and heavy drinker? He once said in a video (which I can't find) that one of the WN pilots taught him to drink and smoke. My question is, did he continue to smoke and drink until his death? If so, it's a wonder he made it to 87 years old.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:37 am

Truly a pioneer in the industry...and all by taking a huge gamble at the time. He could have been a big-time lawyer in Texas (and that was his intent when he relocated to Texas), but he chose to take a huge gamble by starting what was Air Southwest in the late 1960s with an excellent case: by being intra-state (to start), he didn't have to be subject to federal route regulation...Texas being one of the few states that can truly handle mainline intra-state flights. Then the struggles early on gave birth to a practice that continues today: the 25-minute turn and no assigned seating. All airlines practicing an LCC strategy aim to emulate what WN pioneered.

Airlines aren't always profitable, yet Southwest has not finished a year in the red since 1972. As a pioneer, Herb Kelleher will be missed as someone who built the industry and was a maverick (especially as the competition tried to stifle him, first with lawsuits to prevent Air Southwest from taking off, and then the Wright Amendment when WN was the lone significant holdout in moving from DAL to DFW.

Hopefully, a MAX 8 is painted in a canyon gold (Heart) livery with Kelleher's image on one side of the vertical stabilizer and Rollin King (who passed away in 2014) on the other in the memory of the founders of WN. (Both were born within a month of each other.)
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:01 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
As a pioneer, Herb Kelleher will be missed as someone who built the industry and was a maverick (especially as the competition tried to stifle him, first with lawsuits to prevent Air Southwest from taking off, and then the Wright Amendment when WN was the lone significant holdout in moving from DAL to DFW.


Herb Kelleher was also behind efforts to get the Wright Amendment repealed in the mid-2000's, and he even signed the 5-party agreement between WN, AA, the City of Dallas, the City of Fort Worth, and the DFW International Airport Board that led to the enactment of the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006 and the repeal of the Wright Amendment.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 am

Iloveboeing wrote:
Not to show disrespect as he was a phenomenal leader, but wasn't he a chain-smoker and heavy drinker? He once said in a video (which I can't find) that one of the WN pilots taught him to drink and smoke. My question is, did he continue to smoke and drink until his death? If so, it's a wonder he made it to 87 years old.


Heavy drinking and chain smoking are part of what made Herb...well, Herb. Look up "Malice in Dallas" if you haven't seen it - equally iconic. No idea if he kept on drinking and smoking until 87, but frankly I'd be surprised if he didn't. At WN, they're proud of Herb and everything about him. That personality is what transformed the company and set it apart from everybody to begin with, without it, WN wouldn't be where it is today if anywhere at all.
 
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Re: HERB R.I.P.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:45 am

OzarkD9S wrote:
AA's Robert Crandall on Southwest:

"That place runs on Herb Kelleher's bullsh*t."

And Herb ran on Wild Turkey. Draw your own conlusions! :lol:

RIP to a true character and a REAL airline guy.



Nothing wrong with running on Wild Turkey.
 
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Re: HERB R.I.P.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:16 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
AA's Robert Crandall on Southwest:

"That place runs on Herb Kelleher's bullsh*t."



Crandall could only wish for Herb's labor relations and company spirit.


While Crandall's actions as an airline chief were cutthroat, as least on a personal level he and Kelleher enjoyed a cordial relationship. I would think that the comment was made in jest.

Another Kelleher-Crandall banter

Such antics are a regular part of his day. When Kelleher painted one of his 737-300’s to look like Sea World’s killer whale and christened the airplane Shamu One, he got a telephone call from American Airlines’ Crandall, who congratulated him for the marketing gimmick. “Just one question,” asked Crandall. “What are you going to do with all the whale shit?” In a nanosecond Kelleher replied, “I’m going to turn it into chocolate mousse and spoon-feed it to Yankees from Rhode Island.” The following Monday, Crandall, a Yankee from Rhode Island, received a large tub filled with chocolate mousse with a Shamu spoon stuck poetically in the center.

And Crandall gave a nice tribute on Kelleher's retirement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7vw2jDfZ0o

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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:21 am

Legend and game changer. One the great American business men, changed the game.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:39 am

Tribute already coming in from Delta on Twitter; I expect other airlines to follow given his tremendous impact on aviation globally.

https://twitter.com/Delta/status/1081026648647049216

We are saddened to lose an industry legend. Herb Kelleher’s impact on aviation will live on forever. #HonoringHerb
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:52 am

Wow, what a great guy. To this day I fly WN a lot. I appreciate how they've kept the entire industry more honest.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:27 am

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Good bye Herb. Ill have some Wild Turkey in your honor.


I already did!

Rest in peace, Mr. Kelleher. The airline business needs more visionaries like you.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:00 am

Southwest was the catalyst for imitation - his (plus Parker and King) template has been used to secure OEM support for many later startups.

A man whose handshake or word was enough.

Never done business with Southwest, but learned from interactions. Planesmart / Smartplane ANet names for a reason.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:12 am

Rest in peace Herb. A true trailblazer in the aviation industry.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:16 am

One of the great innovators in commercial aviation. RIP.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:38 am

Back in the Ninties, I e-mailed Holly Hegeman at PlaneBusiness Banter and told her that, if Southwest Airlines would add the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport to its network while Herb Kelleher was still CEO, that I would personally pick him up at CVG and drive him to the Wild Turkey distillery in Lawrenceburg, Kentucky. I never got to do that, but WN does serve CVG now, and WN's loads in and out of CVG are quite good!

RIP, Mr. Kelleher, and bon voyage!
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:00 am

Does WN have a plane with his name on it? If not, I bet they probably will.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:05 am

rj777 wrote:
Does WN have a plane with his name on it? If not, I bet they probably will.


They do. N711HK The Herbert D. Kelleher, one of the retro Desert Gold planes. The other is for Colleen Barret N714CB Southwest Classic. However, they are also some of the oldest WN -700's so I would imagine that a MAX will carry that name in the near future.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:26 am

FlyHossD wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Good bye Herb. Ill have some Wild Turkey in your honor.


I already did!

Rest in peace, Mr. Kelleher. The airline business needs more visionaries like you.

I didn't have Wild Turkey, but i still had bourbon as well as a cigar for Herb.

WN should do a fly-by for his funeral. Leading with the Herb Kelleher in Desert Gold, an 800 in Canyon Blue, and a MAX in the current colors to show the evolution of WN.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:12 pm

Bobloblaw wrote:
This year is starting off badly

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Herb
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Oh, god .. not Marty Funkhauser!

(Who was Marty Funkhauser?)
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:34 pm

Rest in peace...one of the historical greats of the industry...


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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:46 pm

F27500 wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
This year is starting off badly

Marty Funkhauser
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Herb
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Oh, god .. not Marty Funkhauser!

(Who was Marty Funkhauser?)

Wiki sez:

Stewart Robert Einstein (November 20, 1942 – January 2, 2019) was an American actor, comedy writer and producer. He was known for creating and performing the satirical stuntman character Super Dave Osborne. Einstein was also known for his roles as Marty Funkhouser in Curb Your Enthusiasm and Larry Middleman on Arrested Development.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Einstein
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:46 pm

I wrote Southwest a letter after a really good flight with them when I was 16 (this was many, many years ago lol), and I got a letter back from Herb himself along with a model Shamu 737 a couple of weeks later. Needless to say I still have both. Mr. Kelleher was a true visionary. He will be missed.
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Re: HERB R.I.P.

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:08 pm

KLASM83 wrote:
IF true, it's sad, but what is the source? Still, he's a legendary guy!


Courtesy: WFAA-TV

Herb Kelleher, Founder Of Southwest Airlines Who 'revolutionized the industry,' Dies At 87

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/herb-kelleher-founder-of-southwest-airlines-who-revolutionized-the-industry-dies-at-87/287-626041659
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:09 pm

I had no idea that Herb was 87. I guess you expect legends to live forever. RIP Herb.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:28 pm

Here's to you Herb! Thank you for bringing us the Texas Two-Stepping. Long live the roar of the 737-200, Mustard Brown Herb Birds...
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:28 pm

R.I.P. to what I gather from these posts was a legend in American and global aviation (I don't know much about WN). There aren't many airlines with as positive a company culture as Southwest. That is a testament to him.

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, quite the shock to hear of his passing! Kelleher more than earned his place alongside aviation titans like Juan Trippe, C.R. Smith, Jack Frye, William Allen.

What about Freddie Laker? Was he a titan like these?
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:33 pm

smartplane wrote:
Southwest was the catalyst for imitation -


Just remember whom Kelleher imitation is starting Southwest...PSA.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:09 pm

:brokenheart:

Thank you Anet for your compassion and understanding. We lost a great one today, and our hearts are broken.

This pc says it all. How often in history has this occurred outside of Herb.


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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:16 pm

I had the pleasure to meet him at United States Transportation Command Headquarters at Scott AFB a few years ago. He autographed a picture of Southwest's original 737s.
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:23 pm

VTCIE wrote:
R.I.P. to what I gather from these posts was a legend in American and global aviation (I don't know much about WN). There aren't many airlines with as positive a company culture as Southwest. That is a testament to him.

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Wow, quite the shock to hear of his passing! Kelleher more than earned his place alongside aviation titans like Juan Trippe, C.R. Smith, Jack Frye, William Allen.

What about Freddie Laker? Was he a titan like these?


Yes, I think an honest case can be made for including Sir Freddie Laker among the people who are considered titans in the world of commercial aviation. His Laker Skytrain was the first successful “no frills” airline. Every similar type of carrier since, from PeoplExpress to Easyjet, owes their existence to the model that Laker created.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:51 pm

Gary Kelly has posted a wonderful tribute video on the SWA website
 
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Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:33 pm

Was it Herb's decision to order the 737-500?
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:45 pm

Thank you,Herb! One of kind who gave everyone a square deal. One story in remembering was Herb paid Pacific Southwest Airlines(PSA) one million dollars to learn everything of the SAN base operations. At that time, there were no conflicts and one million was a lot of money. But later on the servant would become the master and PSA would regret that move. Your the best,Herb! R.I.P
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:17 pm

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I never met the man but heard his name mentioned years ago while boarding a SWA flight in Burbank. The woman in front of me was demanding to be let on a plane that was sold out. The guy at the desk was very polite and patient and finally asked the lady if she wanted him to ask someone to leave to let her on. She got angier and demanded to know his boss's name. He gave her a card and told her to call Herb Kelleher. When the lady left, I asked if that was really his boss's name. He told me who Kelleher was and then told me how much Herb stood behind his employees. He thought that Herb or his office would tell the lady to fly on another airline. So at least that employee really respected and liked his CEO. I have had numerous good SWA flight throughout their history and I am sure a good part of it started at the top.


In the book "Nuts", there is a story about a Southwest customer who would write a letter of complaint after every flight, and how she would never fly Southwest again.
Herb eventually wrote back saying Dear Ms Crabapple, We will miss you. Love, Herb
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:25 pm

Iloveboeing wrote:
Not to show disrespect as he was a phenomenal leader, but wasn't he a chain-smoker and heavy drinker? He once said in a video (which I can't find) that one of the WN pilots taught him to drink and smoke. My question is, did he continue to smoke and drink until his death? If so, it's a wonder he made it to 87 years old.


I’m middle aged and have lived a healthy lifestyle. I’m in the hospital with cancer. Put me on team Herb anytime.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:25 pm

RIP Herb...I can see Herb 1 in the future..
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:28 pm

Prost wrote:
Iloveboeing wrote:
Not to show disrespect as he was a phenomenal leader, but wasn't he a chain-smoker and heavy drinker? He once said in a video (which I can't find) that one of the WN pilots taught him to drink and smoke. My question is, did he continue to smoke and drink until his death? If so, it's a wonder he made it to 87 years old.


I’m middle aged and have lived a healthy lifestyle. I’m in the hospital with cancer. Put me on team Herb anytime.


My prayers are with you, you will overcome with God's will on your side.

And, ditto about being on Herb's team!
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:49 pm

There is now a website celebrating Herbs life with a tribute video and tweets from people using #HonoringHerb.

https://www.honoringherb.com/
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:59 pm

The whole world of aviation has a lot to thank Herb for.

Without his lead, the model which airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair adapted to work for them would not have opened the way to cheap and reliable no-frills flights. Airlines such as the mammoth Air Asia Group can trace their roots right back to Southwest. Michael O'Leary was even sent to Texas to examine the Southwest model before relaunching FR into the titan it is now.

Freddie Laker tried to do something similar with longhaul but Herb got it right with shorthaul and just the one aircraft family. I would suggest Herb was even more important than Juan Trippe or Howard Hughes as Herb brought travel to the masses and not just the privileged few who could afford big money tickets.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:59 pm

Herb was a great executive to carry the reins of SW beginning in 1978 when he took them from Lamar Muse. From 1971, when Lamar took the napkin and turned it into an airline that would become the largest and most profitable airline ever, until 1978 when he left the company over a board dispute, it was Lamar’s genius that made ALL the decisions that created the SWA formula that was replicated by over 100 airline startups across the globe. Before and since Lamar died at 86 in Feb. 2007, the early history of SW has been rewritten by Herb and Colleen to eliminate the mention of Lamar and to give Herb all the credit. Lamar hired great people, he gave them a profit sharing plan in 1973, the first of its kind in the airline industry, and THAT is what is behind the SW employees’ loyalty to their company. From what planes to buy, what uniforms to wear , what schedules to fly, what fares to charge, how tickets were sold (Cash register receipts), how many seats on the planes, leg room...and on and on and on. In the meantime, Herb was the company’s lawyer, and his job was to get them out of court and into the sky and keep them there. Colleen was his Secretary. Herb was on the Board of Directors. Colleen had NO ROLE in the company until after Lamar left and Herb basically took his job after a few fill-in Presidents in the few years immediately after his departure. When Lamar left, the mold was set. He told the board “Just don’t screw it up”. And they didn’t. So I have to give credit to Herb for not screwing up what Lamar designed and built into a wonderful company. The most successful airline startup in world history was accomplished with the seed money Lamar and a few other Texas millionaires put up in early 1971. All Kelleher put up was some legal fees he didn’t charge the company. Rollin got stock for a poorly written “business plan” he had been trying to get someone to buy for years. In fact, that’s how Rollin and Herb got together.

Nevertheless, RIP to Herb and thoughts and prayers to his family and loyal employees.
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:04 pm

Goodbye Herb.
You are now free to move beyond the country.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:31 pm

WN732 wrote:
rj777 wrote:
Does WN have a plane with his name on it? If not, I bet they probably will.


They do. N711HK The Herbert D. Kelleher, one of the retro Desert Gold planes. The other is for Colleen Barret N714CB Southwest Classic. However, they are also some of the oldest WN -700's so I would imagine that a MAX will carry that name in the near future.


I, for one, think that if a MAX was to carry his name, it should also have the desert gold paint job.
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:03 pm

Was Herb a heavy drinker?
 
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Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:09 am

Does it matter?
 
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Re: Southwest founder Herb Kelleher dies aged 87

Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:22 am

September11 wrote:
I can't believe it was Herb's turn.

Frank Lorenzo is 78.


I guess the "Good do indeed, Die Young" RIP Unkie Herb, you left us too soon and thanks for a great airline.
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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos