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B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:03 am

This photo of a 747-8 vertical tail fin is on a-net's home page. Is it of an actual 748 part or did someone simply repaint the old display (from a B-742 I think)?
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https://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/B ... -8/5335011
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:16 am

I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:33 am

diverted wrote:
I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.


True statement. I just visited that museum over the summer and I couldn't believe how big that tail was.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:33 am

smflyer wrote:
diverted wrote:
I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.


True statement. I just visited that museum over the summer and I couldn't believe how big that tail was.



If you think that's large, imagine a 747SP tail.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:28 am

Veigar wrote:
smflyer wrote:
diverted wrote:
I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.


True statement. I just visited that museum over the summer and I couldn't believe how big that tail was.



If you think that's large, imagine a 747SP tail.




That tail was huge...
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:38 am

You think that tail is big, imagine an A380 vertical fin LOL. Those things are ridiculously huge. Actually, the tail that has always amazed me is the entire C5 galaxy tail section. The enormous size along with it being a T-tail just makes it look unreal. The horizontal stabs are what look like 50 stories up,,,,I know that's an exaggeration, but in person almost feels like it.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:02 am

Is that round cylinder the fuselage?
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:03 am

Unlike more modern aircraft whose vertical stabilizers are getting smaller and smaller


The A350’s in particular looks out far too small for the airframe and spoils the looks of an
otherwise attractive aircraft
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:19 am

From the angle of the photo, I thought it was a small replica model.

Max Q wrote:
Unlike more modern aircraft whose vertical stabilizers are getting smaller and smaller


The A350’s in particular looks out far too small for the airframe and spoils the looks of an
otherwise attractive aircraft

Yup, the A321's tail looks a little small for the air frame too.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 am

I seem to remember an article in the Seattle paper that said they were going to downsize FoF, and remove the tail. Have they rethought that?

EDIT: found the story: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... rs-future/

And the story of how it got there: https://www.futureofflight.org/747-vertical-fin
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:52 am

September11 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
smflyer wrote:

True statement. I just visited that museum over the summer and I couldn't believe how big that tail was.



If you think that's large, imagine a 747SP tail.




That tail was huge...


Hmm what's the reasoning behind the SP having a larger tail? I always assumed it was the same size as the regular 747's tail
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:09 am

I believe it is larger because of the shorter fuselage length, but don't quote me on that.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:33 am

Yes it's needed for engine out situations. Same way an Airbus A318 has a bigger fin than an A320. Conversely a longer aircraft can get a smaller fin, but planemakers don't always make the effort to design a smaller one.

So technically the 747-8 could have a smaller fin, but I don't think it has. It has some differences, though. The 747 used to have depleted uranium in it.
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Re: B-748 tail display

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:10 am

And the story of how it got there: https://www.futureofflight.org/747-vertical-fin[/quote]

Thanks for that. What a cool read
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:39 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Is that round cylinder the fuselage?


Looks like a piece of space station.
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:07 am

Aesma wrote:
Yes it's needed for engine out situations. Same way an Airbus A318 has a bigger fin than an A320. Conversely a longer aircraft can get a smaller fin, but planemakers don't always make the effort to design a smaller one.

So technically the 747-8 could have a smaller fin, but I don't think it has. It has some differences, though. The 747 used to have depleted uranium in it.

Although the 748 has a longer moment arm, the rudder forces are actually larger due to the stronger engines, which is why the 748 has a double-hinged lower rudder, unlike the 744. The A345/346 are the same story: longer than their shorter brethren, but bigger fin due to the bigger engines.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:43 am

Aesma wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Is that round cylinder the fuselage?


Looks like a piece of space station.

Yup...the Destiny Lab module.
https://www.futureofflight.org/destiny

As for the 741 tail, it's been repainted blue with large block letters "THE FUTURE IS BUILT HERE." Most of the displays around and above it have been removed and the area is undergoing a complete rebuild. I think this thread is done.
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:46 am

in fact, I think the 747SP tail is just shy of the A380 tail. Anyone can confirm or deny this?
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:36 am

The A380 tail is about 4 meters taller.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:06 am

Caryjack wrote:
Is it of an actual 748 part or did someone simply repaint the old display (from a B-742 I think)?


The tail came from G-AWNC. 19763/48

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:21 am

Beautiful aircraft


Classic is a fitting name for that version of the Queen of the skies


Nothing made after then comes close to the attractiveness of that era’s jet transports
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:57 pm

Speaking of tails on display, what is the tail on the roundabout in Toulouse Airport? An A320? The address is: Rond-Point Emile Dewoitine

Another one, the CRJ-tail in front of the Eurowings and Germanwings offices in Köln-Bonn airport?
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:00 pm

diverted wrote:
I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.


When was this installed there? I visited in fall of 2017 and don't recall seeing this...
 
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Re: B-748 tail display

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:30 pm

Gr8Circle wrote:
diverted wrote:
I'd imagine they just repainted the tail they had there, which incidentally was off an old BA 741. Hard to wrap your head around how big it is until you're standing next to it.


When was this installed there? I visited in fall of 2017 and don't recall seeing this...


I recall seeing it in 2016 when I was there.
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