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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:09 pm

Boeing November orders:

CALC Aircraft Assets Limited: 2x 787-9
Emirates: 30x 787-9
Sunexpress: 10x 737 MAX
Unidentified: 20x 737 MAX
Unidentified: 1x 787-9

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:49 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Boeing November orders:

CALC Aircraft Assets Limited: 2x 787-9
Emirates: 30x 787-9
Sunexpress: 10x 737 MAX
Unidentified: 20x 737 MAX
Unidentified: 1x 787-9

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries


What about cancellations/conversions? Those 2x 787-9 were converted from 8 Max IIRC
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:14 pm

I did a quick post on my phone in the train back home.

Here are the changes, I tried to list them all. The biggest changes are 2 large identifications of previous unidentified MAX orders, although no new customers.

Cancellations:
Emirates: -6x 777-300ER
Emirates: -35x 777X (115 left on order)
BBJ: -2x 737 MAX
CALC: -8x 737 MAX (conversion to 2 787, see new orders)

conversions:
Singapore Airlines -3x 787-10
Scoot: +1x 787-8 & +2 787-9

Identified:
Juneyao Air: +1x 787-9
China Southern Airlines: +1x 777-300ER
Lion Air: +50x 737 MAX (total MAX order = 251)
United Airlines: +48x 737 MAX (total MAX order = 185)

And there were some changes in the P-8 orders, but those were just the way the customers are named.

Totals for 2019 so far:
Gross: 243
Net 56
Net including 2019 ASC 606 Changes: -84


Etihad did not reduce their 787 order as was suggested at the Dubai Airshow.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:32 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
I did a quick post on my phone in the train back home.




Etihad did not reduce their 787 order as was suggested at the Dubai Airshow.


The EY orders are confusing...in rhat some say they will take all their 787s...some say they won't.

Same with their A350s...is it a total of 5 or 20? Their 777x...are they taking all of them...or some?

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:38 pm

Did Emirates cancel all the 777-8, keeping the order for 115 777-9 intact, or did they cancel a bit of both?
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:49 pm

November 2019

737 net orders this year -182, backlog 4,405

747 no change, backlog 17

767 net orders 26, backlog 97

777 net orders -3, backlog 383 (777-9 plus 777-8 orders now down to 309)

787 net orders 75, backlog 542

787 with 75 net orders bypassed the A330neo with 61 net orders
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:22 pm

Momo1435 wrote:

Cancellations:
Emirates: -6x 777-300ER
Emirates: -35x 777X (115 left on order)
BBJ: -2x 737 MAX
CALC: -8x 737 MAX (conversion to 2 787, see new orders)



Is the Emirates 777x cancellation correct? I thought is was 24x 777x cancelled along with 6x 777, leaving 126x 777x?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:26 pm

Lewton wrote:
Did Emirates cancel all the 777-8, keeping the order for 115 777-9 intact, or did they cancel a bit of both?


I thought i read somewhere that it was 24 of the -9 variant cancelled, but cant find a link.

Also, should be 126x 777x remaining.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:28 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Cancellations:
Emirates: -6x 777-300ER
Emirates: -35x 777X (115 left on order)


Wait, what? EK cancelled 41 777s? Wasn't it supposed to be 6 x 77W and 24 x 777X? Is that an error on Boeing's website? :confused:

EK's press release for their 787 order:
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... i-airshow/
Emirates, the world’s largest international airline, today announced that it has signed a full purchase agreement for 30 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, worth US$ 8.8 billion at list prices, at the Dubai Airshow 2019. Under its agreement with Boeing, Emirates has exercised its right to substitute the B777x with B787s.

This deal includes Boeing 787 Dreamliners, with deliveries commencing in May 2023 and continuing for the next five years. For the B777X, Emirates will enter into discussions with Boeing over the next few weeks on the status of deliveries. This takes Emirates’ total order with Boeing to 126 Boeing 777X aircraft.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
The EY orders are confusing...in rhat some say they will take all their 787s...some say they won't.

Same with their A350s...is it a total of 5 or 20? Their 777x...are they taking all of them...or some?

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These are Eithad's outstanding orders, these are the only confirmed totals that we know right now.

777X: 25x
787-9: 11x (out of 41 total)
787-10: 23x (out of 30 total)
A350-1000: 16x (out of 20 total)

The confusion started with a report at the start of the year they would only take 5 A350-1000 and 5x 777X in the next couple of years, stating that they don't plan to grow as much anymore as they wanted. That report was quickly followed by the A350 reduction, leaving 20 on order, not just the 5. For the 777X the first report was also the reason for some people to assume that they cancelled a large part of their 777X order. There was also some articles claiming that Etihad cancelled orders but had asked Airbus and Boeing to keep that quiet, which was shortly followed by the A350 cancellation, so that narrative didn't hold too long.

Skip to last month. At the Dubai Airshow the airline confirmed that they would take all of their 777Xs. But it was also mentioned that they would only take 15 more 787 until 2023, suggesting that they were cancelling 19. But hasn't happened yet, so we can't say for now if these 19 have been cancelled or that they only deferred the deliveries until after 2023.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:37 pm

scbriml wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Cancellations:
Emirates: -6x 777-300ER
Emirates: -35x 777X (115 left on order)


Wait, what? EK cancelled 41 777s? Wasn't it supposed to be 6 x 77W and 24 x 777X? Is that an error on Boeing's website? :confused:

EK's press release for their 787 order:
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... i-airshow/
Emirates, the world’s largest international airline, today announced that it has signed a full purchase agreement for 30 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, worth US$ 8.8 billion at list prices, at the Dubai Airshow 2019. Under its agreement with Boeing, Emirates has exercised its right to substitute the B777x with B787s.

This deal includes Boeing 787 Dreamliners, with deliveries commencing in May 2023 and continuing for the next five years. For the B777X, Emirates will enter into discussions with Boeing over the next few weeks on the status of deliveries. This takes Emirates’ total order with Boeing to 126 Boeing 777X aircraft.


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There could have been some conversions from firm orders to options?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:51 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
Cancellations:
Emirates: -6x 777-300ER
Emirates: -35x 777X (115 left on order)


Wait, what? EK cancelled 41 777s? Wasn't it supposed to be 6 x 77W and 24 x 777X? Is that an error on Boeing's website? :confused:

EK's press release for their 787 order:
https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... i-airshow/
Emirates, the world’s largest international airline, today announced that it has signed a full purchase agreement for 30 Boeing 787-9 aircraft, worth US$ 8.8 billion at list prices, at the Dubai Airshow 2019. Under its agreement with Boeing, Emirates has exercised its right to substitute the B777x with B787s.

This deal includes Boeing 787 Dreamliners, with deliveries commencing in May 2023 and continuing for the next five years. For the B777X, Emirates will enter into discussions with Boeing over the next few weeks on the status of deliveries. This takes Emirates’ total order with Boeing to 126 Boeing 777X aircraft.


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There could have been some conversions from firm orders to options?


That's odd. Boeing's website says 777 net orders: 20 777 and -23 777X. Total contractual changes for 777 combined is -41. With EK cancelling 6 77W, you'd expect it would be net 14 777 (20 -6 EK) and -17 777X (+18 BA -35 EK).
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:03 pm

So did Etihad only cancel the 350 order or also Boeing types?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:03 pm

RalXWB wrote:
So did Etihad only cancel the 350 order or also Boeing types?

Etihad has not cancelled any Boeing orders recently.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:51 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
November 2019

737 net orders this year -182, backlog 4,405

747 no change, backlog 17

767 net orders 26, backlog 97

777 net orders -3, backlog 383 (777-9 plus 777-8 orders now down to 309)

787 net orders 75, backlog 542

787 with 75 net orders bypassed the A330neo with 61 net orders


According to Wiki 46 of the 737 backlog are 737NG, meaning that the MAX backlog is now 4 359, net of -186 ASC 606 adjustments.
And of these I guess about 400 have already been built but not yet delivered.
I'm guessing the ASC adjustments will stay in the "gross" orders until contractual closure is achieved.

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:22 pm

Air France KLM order 10x a350-900 bringing total ordered to 38.

Link to follow

Edit; To include link

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -xwbs.html
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 pm

frigatebird wrote:
That's odd. Boeing's website says 777 net orders: 20 777 and -23 777X. Total contractual changes for 777 combined is -41. With EK cancelling 6 77W, you'd expect it would be net 14 777 (20 -6 EK) and -17 777X (+18 BA -35 EK).


The customer summary for Emirates on Boeing's website at the end of October showed:
289 total 777 orders, including -
77W x 120 (114 delivered, 6 outstanding)
777X x 150 (all outstanding)

November's summary shows
248 total 777 orders with 77W reduced to 114 and 777X reduced to 115. A total reduction of 41 frames.

But, as you point out, the order sheet doesn't tally. It's very confusing and we'll probably have to wait for the year-end totals to see what's correct.

Just a thought - Emirates press release re the 787 order said "For the B777X, Emirates will enter into discussions with Boeing over the next few weeks on the status of deliveries. This takes Emirates’ total order with Boeing to 126 Boeing 777X aircraft." Maybe those discussions didn't go so well and EK ended up cancelling 35 777X instead of the previously indicated 24? 35 is also the number of 777-8s that Emirates ordered in 2014. Curiouser and curiouser.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:16 am

Emirates has clarified their 777X position to FlightGlobal:

101 777-9 remain on firm order
25 777-8 remain on firm order

11 777X are subject to "reconfirmation" so they are now effectively options. The specific model breakdown was not revealed.

So EK has cancelled or converted to options up to 10 777-8 and up to 14 777-9.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/e ... 57.article
 
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:36 am

Stitch wrote:
Emirates has clarified their 777X position to FlightGlobal:

101 777-9 remain on firm order
25 777-8 remain on firm order

11 777X are subject to "reconfirmation" so they are now effectively options. The specific model breakdown was not revealed.

So EK has cancelled or converted to options up to 10 777-8 and up to 14 777-9.

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/e ... 57.article


The combined firm order number is 115 according to Boeing. 101 + 25 would be 126. The original order was 115 +35 = 150.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:16 am

mjoelnir wrote:
The combined firm order number is 115 according to Boeing. 101 + 25 would be 126. The original order was 115 +35 = 150.


Emirates has said they count 126 frames as "future deliveries". Emirates has said that the 11 frames subject to reconfirmation are on the revised sales contract with Boeing along with the 115 firm orders so together that is 126.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:32 am

Stitch wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The combined firm order number is 115 according to Boeing. 101 + 25 would be 126. The original order was 115 +35 = 150.


Emirates has said they count 126 frames as "future deliveries". Emirates has said that the 11 frames subject to reconfirmation are on the revised sales contract with Boeing along with the 115 firm orders so together that is 126.

So we have a Lufthansa like situation where the airline counts the order and the manufacturer does not. In Lufthansa's case the Boeing view turned out to be correct and Lufthansa adjusted their records accordingly.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:49 am

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So we have a Lufthansa like situation where the airline counts the order and the manufacturer does not.


Basically, yes.

Those extra 11 frames are now sufficiently soft that Boeing decided to remove them from the order book.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:45 am

Stitch wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The combined firm order number is 115 according to Boeing. 101 + 25 would be 126. The original order was 115 +35 = 150.


Emirates has said they count 126 frames as "future deliveries". Emirates has said that the 11 frames subject to reconfirmation are on the revised sales contract with Boeing along with the 115 firm orders so together that is 126.

Boeing better offer EK a sweet deal on those 11 777Xs or the program orderbook will fall to just around 300 frames.
Qantas choosing the A351 for project sunrise should make EK's negotiating position stronger.
 
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:57 am

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Boeing better offer EK a sweet deal on those 11 777Xs or the program orderbook will fall to just around 300 frames.


It will probably be less than 300 once Etihad finishes sorting out their Boeing orders.
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:02 am

scbriml wrote:
P1aneMad wrote:
Boeing better offer EK a sweet deal on those 11 777Xs or the program orderbook will fall to just around 300 frames.


It will probably be less than 300 once Etihad finishes sorting out their Boeing orders.

+1
Also those 10 still unidentified orders which were announced more than 4 years ago seem iffy to me.
Which airline/airlines would possible hide such an order for so long and for what reason?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:53 pm

This is the quick place to look up new orders and to post the monthly totals, but the last page is mostly discussion that should be elsewhere.

Please, lets keep this to orders, not discussion that should be in other threads or of course the ever present A vs B wars.

Boeing and Airbus have very little leeway on posting orders, if the have a contract for a plane it is an order. If an option, or something less than a firm order they cannot book it. So if there are 11 EK options that were firm before, the total goes down 11 until the option is exercised.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Indeed, the number for EK is now 115 firm, if they want 11 more they will have to reconfirm them for these orders to become firm again.

@P1aneMad, the Saudi government orders are often kept unidentified even after the orders are delivered. And I have seen people claim here on A-net that Saudia is already preparing for the 777X to join the fleet. All not confirmed, so for now it's just a rumor.

But we should indeed go back to just order talk and not order discussion in this thread. Although it will become interesting to see if orders will just be announced when they are signed since there is no order race this year.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:37 pm

Reuters reports that AF/KL has firmed uip an order for 60 A220s.
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:44 pm

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Reuters reports that AF/KL has firmed uip an order for 60 A220s.

Airbus press release.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... a220s.html
 
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:46 pm

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Reuters reports that AF/KL has firmed uip an order for 60 A220s.


Confirmed by Airbus:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... a220s.html

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Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:47 pm

scbriml wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
Reuters reports that AF/KL has firmed uip an order for 60 A220s.


Confirmed by Airbus:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... a220s.html

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Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:27 pm

Exceptional news for the A220 program! Congrats to Airbus and AF/KL! Well done!
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:26 am

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Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?


It's not exact, but it is straight from the horse's mouth..

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stories ... pdate.html

In the six months since Airbus officially launched its A321XLR, this Xtra-long-range version of the A320neo Family’s longest-fuselage aircraft has logged more than 450 orders and commitments from 22 operators and two lessors around the world.


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Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:08 am

Somehow the Cebu Pacific order on December 19th for 15 A320neo, including up to 10 A321XLRs, didn'tmake it to this thread.
https://www.flightglobal.com/programmes ... 54.article
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:26 am

RalXWB wrote:
Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?

Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 382 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:27 am

So at least 50 for Indigo then
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:41 am

juliuswong wrote:
RalXWB wrote:
Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?

Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 382 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.


Airbus says "450+ orders and commitments"

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stories ... pdate.html
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:19 am

scbriml wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
RalXWB wrote:
Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?

Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
AirArabia – 20
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 402 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.


Airbus says "450+ orders and commitments"

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stories ... pdate.html

Yes, I read the press statement you have highlighted. Above numbers are firm orders that were announced by Airbus/ airlines themselves. Suppose IndiGo is taking more than 50 A321XLR as stated by Someone83, it will definitely coincide with with overall 450+ orders and commitments. Let's see in Jan 2020 when Airbus wraps up their 2019 reporting.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:30 am

juliuswong wrote:
RalXWB wrote:
Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?

Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
AirArabia – 20
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 402 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.


Air Arabia x20 is duplicated in the listing - unless there were two orders
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:00 am

juliuswong wrote:
scbriml wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
AirArabia – 20
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 402 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.


Airbus says "450+ orders and commitments"

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stories ... pdate.html

Yes, I read the press statement you have highlighted. Above numbers are firm orders that were announced by Airbus/ airlines themselves. Suppose IndiGo is taking more than 50 A321XLR as stated by Someone83, it will definitely coincide with with overall 450+ orders and commitments. Let's see in Jan 2020 when Airbus wraps up their 2019 reporting.


Godd conversation. However....
Is it alright for me to point out that I did this over 2 weeks ago on post #328? :)
I got to 392 plus Indigo because it was before the Sky Chile deal was confirmed

astuteman wrote:
As requested in the UA thread, I make this the A321XLR order tally so far. Please correct where it is inaccurate

MEA - 4
ALC - 27
IAG - 28
QF - 36
AA - 50
Indigo Partners - 50
United - 50
Air Asia Malaysia - 30
Wizz air - 20
Jetsmart - 12
Vietjet 20
Unidentified - 15
Air Arabia - 20
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
Indigo airlines - heaven knows how many out of 300 NEO orders

I make that 392 plus Indigo.

Rgds


Have a great Seasonal Break :)

Rgds
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:15 am

astuteman wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
scbriml wrote:

Airbus says "450+ orders and commitments"

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/stories ... pdate.html

Yes, I read the press statement you have highlighted. Above numbers are firm orders that were announced by Airbus/ airlines themselves. Suppose IndiGo is taking more than 50 A321XLR as stated by Someone83, it will definitely coincide with with overall 450+ orders and commitments. Let's see in Jan 2020 when Airbus wraps up their 2019 reporting.


Godd conversation. However....
Is it alright for me to point out that I did this over 2 weeks ago on post #328? :)
I got to 392 plus Indigo because it was before the Sky Chile deal was confirmed

astuteman wrote:
As requested in the UA thread, I make this the A321XLR order tally so far. Please correct where it is inaccurate

MEA - 4
ALC - 27
IAG - 28
QF - 36
AA - 50
Indigo Partners - 50
United - 50
Air Asia Malaysia - 30
Wizz air - 20
Jetsmart - 12
Vietjet 20
Unidentified - 15
Air Arabia - 20
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
Indigo airlines - heaven knows how many out of 300 NEO orders

I make that 392 plus Indigo.

Rgds


Have a great Seasonal Break :)

Rgds

Thanks for your reply. However I did the breakdown again as Jetsmart order is part of Indigo Partners. Hence your figure will be 12 less.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:17 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
RalXWB wrote:
Anybody has an order count for the XLR? Did it already surpass 500 orders?

Based on various press statements, here are the breakdown:
Air Arabia - 20
Air Asia X - 30
Air Lease Corporation - 27
American Airlines - 50
Cebu Pacific - 10
Czech Airlines- 3
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
IndiGo airlines – Undefined (On 9 October 2019, IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft comprising a mix of A320neo, A321neo and A321XLR aircraft)
Indigo Partners – 50 (18 for Frontier, 20 for Wizz Air, 12 Jetsmart)
International Airlines Group (IAG) – 14 (8 for Iberia, 6 for Aer Lingus)
JetBlue -13
Middle East Airlines - 4
Qantas Group – 36
Sky Airlines of Chile - 10
Unidentified - 15
United Airlines- 50
Vietjet 20

= 402 in total firm orders, excluding IndiGo, whose order was undefined.


Air Arabia x20 is duplicated in the listing - unless there were two orders

Thanks JerseyFlyer, I have made correction to my original post. The total number will now be 382 firm orders.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:35 am

Spirit firms up order for 100 x A320 NEO family

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spir ... SKBN1YR22H

The deal includes a mix of Airbus A319, A320, and A321 models, the company said.

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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:32 pm

Spirits placed a firm order for 100 A320neo family aircraft:

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html
Good moaning!
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:14 pm

This is thread has come too soon, where still in Q5 2019 when it comes to orders.

Airbus will still book the Spirit order in 2019.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:35 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Spirits placed a firm order for 100 A320neo family aircraft:

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html


Momo1435 wrote:
This is thread has come too soon, where still in Q5 2019 when it comes to orders.

Airbus will still book the Spirit order in 2019.


Given the firming of the Spirit order was reported by other sources before Christmas, I'm sure Airbus will book it in 2019's totals. :yes:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spir ... SKBN1YR22H
(Reuters) - U.S. budget carrier Spirit Airlines Inc (SAVE.N) said on Monday it will buy 100 Airbus (AIR.PA) A320neo-family jets to be delivered through 2027, with options to purchase up to 50 additional aircraft.

The deal includes a mix of Airbus A319, A320, and A321 models, the company said.

The purchase agreement finalizes an October provisional deal for the aircraft, when Spirit picked European planes despite Washington imposing tariffs on them.
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:07 pm

Even if this was the 1st announcement it would still be a 2019 order. 2020 only starts after Airbus and Boeing have revealed their 2019 totals.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:17 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Even if this was the 1st announcement it would still be a 2019 order. 2020 only starts after Airbus and Boeing have revealed their 2019 totals.


There is a certain reason why the 2019 Orders thread is still open, hence I have moved the posts accordingly.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:22 pm

5th Quarter? lol When are the year end review by both Airbus and Boeing?
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