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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:05 am

Asiaflyer wrote:
According to Reuters, Czech Airlines has orderd four Airbus A220-300 and upsized and existing order for three A320neo to A321XLR.


Flight Global with some more info about the order.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... er-461719/
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:10 pm

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So more precisely, they downsized 4 320neo to 4 A220-300 and upsized the remaining 3 320neo to 3 321neoxlrpluswhateverotherlettersyouwanttoinclude.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:26 pm

Spirit signs MOU for 100 320NEO family, plus 50 purchase options.

Nice to see the a319NEO pick up some, although numbers not indicated.

Spirit signs memorandum of understanding with Airbus to add a mix of Airbus A319neo, A320neo, and A321neo aircraft to continue Spirit’s growth and sustain one of the youngest, most fuel-efficient fleets in the U.S.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-rele ... craft.html
 
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:50 pm

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Still no NK order? Was supposed to happen this summer, and it never did... Dragging their feet longer will halt their future growth plans because they won't be able to secure any new factory aircraft now before 2024-25 probably.

They can limp along the used market for a bit, but the A319s are getting old and need to be replaced in the next 5 years. Soooooooooo...... What will they do? Short of acquiring another carrier?


They waited till the fall :duck:
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:59 am

Air Premia has announced a provisional agreement to buy 5 787-9's

https://uk.reuters.com/article/boeing-a ... KL8N27F0CW
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:20 am

IndiGo placed a firm order for 300 A320neo Family aircraft including the XLR in a deal worth $33 billion at list prices:

https://samchui.com/2019/10/30/indigo-o ... bkrd0Uza7M
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:48 am

So with the Spirit and Indigo orders the NEO program has well over 7.000 aircraft ordered, over 1000 delivered and a backlog of over 6000!!!
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:49 am

Cebu Pacific firm up PAS19 order for 16 a330-900

The 16 A330neo jets will be delivered between 2021 to 2024. The new aircraft will have 460 seats each, 5 percent more than the A330ceo that it will replace. They consume 25 percent less fuel compared to older generations, Cebu Pacific said.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/11/04 ... irbus-jets
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 am

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Cebu Pacific firm up PAS19 order for 16 a330-900

The 16 A330neo jets will be delivered between 2021 to 2024. The new aircraft will have 460 seats each, 5 percent more than the A330ceo that it will replace. They consume 25 percent less fuel compared to older generations, Cebu Pacific said.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/11/04 ... irbus-jets


Great boost for the A330neo program.
 
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Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:13 pm

chiad wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Cebu Pacific firm up PAS19 order for 16 a330-900

The 16 A330neo jets will be delivered between 2021 to 2024. The new aircraft will have 460 seats each, 5 percent more than the A330ceo that it will replace. They consume 25 percent less fuel compared to older generations, Cebu Pacific said.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/11/04 ... irbus-jets


Great boost for the A330neo program.



Airbus is rocking it this year! :bigthumbsup: :yes:
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:36 pm

LH has ordered two more 777F ti accelerate MD11 retirement. To be delivered in 2020.

https://lufthansa-cargo.com/newsroom#/p ... on-2940628

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -o-462057/

Not mentioned on the Boeing Website yet.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:02 pm

415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm

Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania

Wow!
What shall I say...
Just...Wow!

And if I now just think of all of these orders, which are announced for Airbus, pending to be firmed and where I expects they will be firmed till end of this year; 2019 will be at the end a good year for the Airbus order backlog.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:32 pm

From what I can see when comparing the September numbers, there were no cancellation for Airbus in October
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:41 pm

More then twice as many new orders in September alone then they booked in the previous nine months, there have been worse months when it comes to orders.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:43 pm

Are the last two new EI 330ceos listed under undisclosed? If so, why is it not under EI or IAG? Is it technically someone else’s order and EI is buying them once delivered?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:47 pm

Someone83 wrote:
From what I can see when comparing the September numbers, there were no cancellation for Airbus in October


Four conversions from to A350-1000 to A350-900.

Geoff
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:56 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
From what I can see when comparing the September numbers, there were no cancellation for Airbus in October


Four conversions from to A350-1000 to A350-900.

Geoff

That was Starlux, they now have 9 A350-900 and 8 A350-800 on order.


Another change in the A350 order book was that an order for 1 A350-900 was transferred from ACG (Aviation Capital Group) to Asiana Airlines.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:21 pm

heretothere wrote:
Are the last two new EI 330ceos listed under undisclosed? If so, why is it not under EI or IAG? Is it technically someone else’s order and EI is buying them once delivered?


Doubtful seeing as these were known about earlier in the summer, and both frames well on in assembly process, one frames has engines fitted! would IAG/Airbus really wait this late in the process to firm up and add to order book? Would this not have happened when MSNs were applied to orders way back when?

But that's only my assumption so definitely open to being corrected on this one!
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:13 pm

Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


Wow. The IndiGo order included amazing 213 A321neos.
A total of 301 A321neos, including 77 (+ an unknow numbers from the IndiGo order tbd) for the XLR.
What a runaway success the A321neo is.

Total sales for the NEO family now is ... 7058 frames.

Now lets see if the Spirit and Air Arabia 100-units orders will be added to the backlog this year, and how many A321neos they will include.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:20 pm

Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


300 A321 orders in one month... of which 70 odd known A321XLR plus however many Indigo ordered.
Spirit still to come?

For most of the year I have expected the NEO backlog to fall this year, but we could see Airbus deliver approaching 650 A320 family and still grow the backlog in 2019. Impressive.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:22 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
From what I can see when comparing the September numbers, there were no cancellation for Airbus in October


Four conversions from to A350-1000 to A350-900.

Geoff

That was Starlux, they now have 9 A350-900 and 8 A350-800 on order. .


I guess 9 350-900 and 8 -1000
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:26 pm

Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


The 13 XLR plus 12 339 were presumed to be Air Asia. Add 30 XLR identified above would make 43 XLR total for them.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:58 pm

Not sure the undisclosed 13 A321 and 12 A339 are Air Asia as the additional orders announced recently are covered already (12 A339 in Sept and 30 A321 in Oct). 12 A339 for a new airline would be good news.

Looks like IndiGo also converted 35 of their previous A320 order to A321 as the new total is 398 on order and the A320 order is reduced. A number of conversions from A320 to A321 for other airline during the month as well.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:04 pm

chiad wrote:
Total sales for the NEO family now is ... 7058 frames.


And the NEO backlog stands at 6,029, of which 2,900 are A321 (48%) and 3,100 are A320 (51%)

They are just about there with the 50/50 split

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:08 pm

As twin jets are the death of 4 engined planes the XLR is the death of widebody and we will all be going trans continental packed like sardines in the 2020s... :)
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:39 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


The 13 XLR plus 12 339 were presumed to be Air Asia. Add 30 XLR identified above would make 43 XLR total for them.


Air Asia X with 13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900, and Air Asia Malaysia with 30 A321XLR.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:06 am

GECAS is supposed to be the buyer of the 13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 although not yet confirmed.
Possible that Air Asia X will be the final user though.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:08 am

Lufthansa appears to have cut it´s commitment for 34 B777-900 down to 20+14, converting 14 of the "commitments" (reads like these were re-confirmable firm orders) into options:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/lufthansa-switches-boeing-777-orders-to-options-in-fleet-rethink
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:44 am

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GECAS is supposed to be the buyer of the 13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 although not yet confirmed.
Possible that Air Asia X will be the final user though.


A rare RR engine purchase by GECAS, if confirmed.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:59 am

Flying-Tiger wrote:
Lufthansa appears to have cut it´s commitment for 34 B777-900 down to 20+14, converting 14 of the "commitments" (reads like these were re-confirmable firm orders) into options:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/lufthansa-switches-boeing-777-orders-to-options-in-fleet-rethink


Some time ago LH said they’d probably ordered too many 777s and too few A350s. While the 14 were never firm enough to be booked by Boeing, I guess they’re even softer now.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:18 am

Flying-Tiger wrote:
Lufthansa appears to have cut it´s commitment for 34 B777-900 down to 20+14, converting 14 of the "commitments" (reads like these were re-confirmable firm orders) into options:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/lufthansa-switches-boeing-777-orders-to-options-in-fleet-rethink


It is a little confusing because they always had only 20 orders for the 777-9, since the original announcement many years ago. They did commit for up to 34 but only ever firmed 20. I understand this newest development means the commitment for the remaining 14 is converted into options for 14. Whether they will exercise them remains to be seen. But with LH nothing is ever certain.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:39 am

Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


Early for airbus famous fourth ( fifth) quater . Is there more to come.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:48 am

scbriml wrote:
Flying-Tiger wrote:
Lufthansa appears to have cut it´s commitment for 34 B777-900 down to 20+14, converting 14 of the "commitments" (reads like these were re-confirmable firm orders) into options:

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/lufthansa-switches-boeing-777-orders-to-options-in-fleet-rethink


Some time ago LH said they’d probably ordered too many 777s and too few A350s. While the 14 were never firm enough to be booked by Boeing, I guess they’re even softer now.


How firm are the 20 confirmed? Article was vague on how many they will actually take...guess it's not unheard of for carriers to alter or reconfigure their order portfolio.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:36 am

GE unit orders 25 Airbus jets including 12 Rolls-powered A330neo

reuters.com/article/us-airbus-gecas/ge-unit-orders-25-airbus-jets-including-12-rolls-powered-a330neo-sources-idUSKBN1XI0UI

This order is already included in the Airbus October numbers as UFO.

So GECAS orders 12 RR engined A330-941.

It is also interesting to note, that the A330neo has with 50 net orders so far this year, including the 16 frame Cebu order, more orders than the 787 this year.

The A330 program as a whole has due to 5 A330-200 cancellations 45 net orders.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:51 pm

A320-200 orders
AIR TANZANIA 11-Oct 2
AIR AUSTRAL 14-Oct 3


A320-neo orders
TIGERAIR TAIWAN 22-Oct 7
INDIGO 31-Oct 87
AVIATION CAPITAL GROUP 31-Oct 3

A321-neo orders
AIRASIA X MALAYSIA 9-Oct 30
UNDISCLOSED 10-Oct 2
CHINA AIRLINES 15-Oct 11
UNDISCLOSED 22-Oct 13
JETSMART 30-Oct 12
WIZZ AIR HUNGARY 30-Oct 20
INDIGO 31-Oct 213

October may mark the turning point where A320n orders will forever be fewer than A321n orders.
Total Net orders for 2019 now stand at 157 A320n to 382 A321n.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:38 pm

Great year for the NEOs
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:40 pm

tvh wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
415 new firm gross orders for Airbus in October

87 A320neo and 213 A321neo (both A321neo and A321XLR) IndiGo
30 A321XLR for AirAsia Malaysia
20 A321XLR for Wizzair
12 A321XLR for JetSmart
2 A321XLR for an unidentified customer 1
13 A321XLR and 12 A330-900 for unidentified customer 2
11 A321neo for China Airlines
7 A320neo for Tigerair Taiwan
3 A320neo for Aviation Capital Group
3 A220-300 for Air Austral
2 A220-300 for Air Tanzania


Early for airbus famous fourth ( fifth) quater . Is there more to come.


There is still the Dubai Air Show to come, and we won't have too long for it …

Rgds
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:47 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
GE unit orders 25 Airbus jets including 12 Rolls-powered A330neo

reuters.com/article/us-airbus-gecas/ge-unit-orders-25-airbus-jets-including-12-rolls-powered-a330neo-sources-idUSKBN1XI0UI

This order is already included in the Airbus October numbers as UFO.

So GECAS orders 12 RR engined A330-941.

It is also interesting to note, that the A330neo has with 50 net orders so far this year, including the 16 frame Cebu order, more orders than the 787 this year.

The A330 program as a whole has due to 5 A330-200 cancellations 45 net orders.


Forgive me for being slow but I thought GECAS only ordered aircraft with GE engines. I know they did a purchase and lease back deal on some A350s but I don't think they ever ordered them outright. There was a shift in policy?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:59 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
A320-200 orders
AIR TANZANIA 11-Oct 2
AIR AUSTRAL 14-Oct 3


A320-neo orders
TIGERAIR TAIWAN 22-Oct 7
INDIGO 31-Oct 87
AVIATION CAPITAL GROUP 31-Oct 3

A321-neo orders
AIRASIA X MALAYSIA 9-Oct 30
UNDISCLOSED 10-Oct 2
CHINA AIRLINES 15-Oct 11
UNDISCLOSED 22-Oct 13
JETSMART 30-Oct 12
WIZZ AIR HUNGARY 30-Oct 20
INDIGO 31-Oct 213

October may mark the turning point where A320n orders will forever be fewer than A321n orders.
Total Net orders for 2019 now stand at 157 A320n to 382 A321n.


What really is astonishing is the ratio 29% to 71%. At the moment the total orders should be around 50% to 50%, but at this rate that will quite skewed in the favor of the higher end A321. What is not completely clear for me is that amount or percentage of swaps/upgrades from A320 to A321. Even if that is something like 10% it will have a big impact...
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:21 pm

DCA350 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
GE unit orders 25 Airbus jets including 12 Rolls-powered A330neo

reuters.com/article/us-airbus-gecas/ge-unit-orders-25-airbus-jets-including-12-rolls-powered-a330neo-sources-idUSKBN1XI0UI

This order is already included in the Airbus October numbers as UFO.

So GECAS orders 12 RR engined A330-941.

It is also interesting to note, that the A330neo has with 50 net orders so far this year, including the 16 frame Cebu order, more orders than the 787 this year.

The A330 program as a whole has due to 5 A330-200 cancellations 45 net orders.


Forgive me for being slow but I thought GECAS only ordered aircraft with GE engines. I know they did a purchase and lease back deal on some A350s but I don't think they ever ordered them outright. There was a shift in policy?


I would assume they already have a customer for the frames and that this isn’t a speculative order.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:20 pm

JonesNL wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
A320-200 orders
AIR TANZANIA 11-Oct 2
AIR AUSTRAL 14-Oct 3


A320-neo orders
TIGERAIR TAIWAN 22-Oct 7
INDIGO 31-Oct 87
AVIATION CAPITAL GROUP 31-Oct 3

A321-neo orders
AIRASIA X MALAYSIA 9-Oct 30
UNDISCLOSED 10-Oct 2
CHINA AIRLINES 15-Oct 11
UNDISCLOSED 22-Oct 13
JETSMART 30-Oct 12
WIZZ AIR HUNGARY 30-Oct 20
INDIGO 31-Oct 213

October may mark the turning point where A320n orders will forever be fewer than A321n orders.
Total Net orders for 2019 now stand at 157 A320n to 382 A321n.


What really is astonishing is the ratio 29% to 71%. At the moment the total orders should be around 50% to 50%, but at this rate that will quite skewed in the favor of the higher end A321. What is not completely clear for me is that amount or percentage of swaps/upgrades from A320 to A321. Even if that is something like 10% it will have a big impact...


Please note, do not overestimate the A321 Neo family orders, we now see here. We see here most orders for the A321 Xlr (and additional LR, which are just stated as A321 Neo)) orders and not or only low numbers of regular A321 Neo (so not LR or Xlr) orders. Just remind, a A321 Neo LR is just a regular A321 Neo which has got the ability/preparation, to implement 3 additional tanks instead of only 2. It was said prior/I have read earlier end of last and this year, that there can/will be a demand of around 10 to 15% A321 LR and up to 10 to 15% A321 Xlr. So that at the end up to 20 to 30% of all A321 Neo family jets will be the longer and long range versions. This gap in the demand will be now filled, so the airlines are now just ordering these jets, which are still missing in their fleets.
When this gap will have been filled, it is possible we will see again a 50 to 50 distribution for the A320 and A321 Neo orders.
 
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Forgive me for being slow but I thought GECAS only ordered aircraft with GE engines. I know they did a purchase and lease back deal on some A350s but I don't think they ever ordered them outright. There was a shift in policy?

There is speculation that GE (in financial trouble) may sell off GECAS. If that were the case, they'd no longer necessarily favour GE engines. This may be the first sign of that.
 
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I would assume they already have a customer for the frames and that this isn’t a speculative order.


I'm not disagreeing, Steve, and I hope you're right but 12 is a lot of frames to place with a single customer.

Unless it's - oh, I don't know - Delta.........?

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:42 pm

scbriml wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Forgive me for being slow but I thought GECAS only ordered aircraft with GE engines. I know they did a purchase and lease back deal on some A350s but I don't think they ever ordered them outright. There was a shift in policy?


I would assume they already have a customer for the frames and that this isn’t a speculative order.


I wondered about Cebu and / or Virgin topping up their firm orders at Airbus with some leases.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:44 pm

Read some where here regarding the 5 A330-200 cancellation, just in case any one of you are wondering it was from Jet Airways. Cancelled this year April after it folded.

They took 10 out of total order of 15, the remaining 5 was stucked for some time before Airbus called it a day.

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:15 pm

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I wondered about Cebu and / or Virgin topping up their firm orders at Airbus with some leases.

5J already have plenty of aircraft to go on with their recently announced orders...and would find it difficult to absorb additional frames that fast.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:48 pm

So the NEO is now outselling the MAX but about 43%. Incredible year for the NEO and I don't attribute many of the sales to the MAX issues.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:41 pm

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Please note, do not overestimate the A321 Neo family orders, we now see here.

When this gap will have been filled, it is possible we will see again a 50 to 50 distribution for the A320 and A321 Neo orders.


The A321neo outsold the A320neo by 20 jets in 2016, and the A320ceo outsold the A321ceo by a single jet in 2017.
It's possible they will go back to a 50/50 split but it seems as if airlines are seeing the larger jet as a better value for the money.

The numbers I have seen are almost two years old, but the price differential was less than 20%, but I have never seen estimates on the additional price of the LR and XLR version (and still less than half the price of an A330-900)
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