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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Lufthansa has changed 14 777X from firm to options and nobody noticed? Or were they always sort of options?


Deutsche Lufthansa AG is stepping back from a commitment to buy 14 Boeing Co. 777X wide-body jets valued at $6.2 billion as it slows fleet growth in an effort to cut capital spending and rein in capacity. Announced as a regular order six years ago as part of a 34-jet deal, the aircraft have been re-designated as “options,” Lufthansa said Thursday in a quarterly earnings report.

www.bloombergquint.com/business/lufthan ... et-rethink


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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:30 pm

oschkosch wrote:
Lufthansa has changed 14 777X from firm to options and nobody noticed?

Those 14 were never firmed to begin with. They only firmed 20 out of the commitment of 34.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:52 am

ACCS300 wrote:
So the NEO is now outselling the MAX but about 43%. Incredible year for the NEO and I don't attribute many of the sales to the MAX issues.


I think that point is very important.
when you look through the customers of the 24 orders nobody stands out as someone who was burned by the MAX. American airlines is looking for B757 replacements.

Indigo is responsible for over half of this year's customers and was already the biggest A320 customer before the MAX crashes.

Neo Date A320 + A321 CUSTOMER
300 31-Oct 87 + 213 INDIGO
30 18-Jun 30 + 0 SAUDIA
30 9-Oct 0 + 30 AIRASIA X MALAYSIA
20 20-Jun 0 + 20 AMERICAN AIRLINES
20 30-Oct 0 + 20 WIZZ AIR HUNGARY
18 4-Jun 18 + 0 ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS
15 6-Aug 0 + 15 VIETJET AIR
12 30-Oct 0 + 12 JETSMART
11 15-Oct 0 + 11 CHINA AIRLINES
10 18-Jun 0 + 10 QANTAS
8 25-Jun 0 + 8 IBERIA
7 22-Oct 7 + 0 TIGERAIR TAIWAN
6 21-Jun 0 + 6 AER LINGUS
2 18-Jun 2 + 0 ATLANTIC AIRWAYS
2 3-Jul 2 + 0 IBERIA
...
20 18-Mar 20 + 0 ACCIPITER
5 30-Sep 5 + 0 AERCAP
3 31-Oct 3 + 0 AVIATION CAPITAL GROUP
36 18-Jun 23 + 13 UNDISCLOSED
13 22-Oct 0 + 13 UNDISCLOSED
10 30-Sep 0 + 10 UNDISCLOSED
2 10-Oct 0 + 2 UNDISCLOSED
1 28-May 1 + 0 PRIVATE CUSTOMER
1 26-Aug 1 + 0 PRIVATE CUSTOMER
582 2019 199 383 TOTAL GROSS ORDERS
-43 2019 -42 -1 TOTAL CANCELLATIONS
539 2019 157 382 TOTAL NET ORDERS

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Short list of customers who have purchased more than 300 Airbus jets of any type at any time
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830 INDIGO INDIA
521 LUFTHANSA GERMANY
468 EASYJET UNITED KINGDOM
401 DELTA AIR LINES UNITED STATES
388 WIZZ AIR HUNGARY HUNGARY
365 CHINA EASTERN AIRLINES CHINA
348 JETBLUE AIRWAYS UNITED STATES

616 UNDISCLOSED
608 GECAS UNITED STATES
600 ILFC UNITED STATES
351 BOC AVIATION SINGAPORE
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:55 am

PacoMartin wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Please note, do not overestimate the A321 Neo family orders, we now see here.

When this gap will have been filled, it is possible we will see again a 50 to 50 distribution for the A320 and A321 Neo orders.


The A321neo outsold the A320neo by 20 jets in 2016, and the A320ceo outsold the A321ceo by a single jet in 2017.
It's possible they will go back to a 50/50 split but it seems as if airlines are seeing the larger jet as a better value for the money.

The numbers I have seen are almost two years old, but the price differential was less than 20%, but I have never seen estimates on the additional price of the LR and XLR version (and still less than half the price of an A330-900)

I have seen once some numbers/estimations, but I do not anymore remember when and where. Comparing to the regular A321 Neo, the A321 LR was little less than 2 million (1.8 m?) and Xlr was something with a 6.? million.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 am

Who would guess that A330Neo might outsell teh B787 in 2019 ?????
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:22 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
GE unit orders 25 Airbus jets including 12 Rolls-powered A330neo

reuters.com/article/us-airbus-gecas/ge-unit-orders-25-airbus-jets-including-12-rolls-powered-a330neo-sources-idUSKBN1XI0UI

This order is already included in the Airbus October numbers as UFO.

So GECAS orders 12 RR engined A330-941.

It is also interesting to note, that the A330neo has with 50 net orders so far this year, including the 16 frame Cebu order, more orders than the 787 this year.

The A330 program as a whole has due to 5 A330-200 cancellations 45 net orders.


It's not that long ago that some a-net posters were ready to write the obituary for the A330neo. Nice to see airlines having faith in the A330neo and ordering it.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:52 pm

Fiend wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
GE unit orders 25 Airbus jets including 12 Rolls-powered A330neo

reuters.com/article/us-airbus-gecas/ge-unit-orders-25-airbus-jets-including-12-rolls-powered-a330neo-sources-idUSKBN1XI0UI

This order is already included in the Airbus October numbers as UFO.

So GECAS orders 12 RR engined A330-941.

It is also interesting to note, that the A330neo has with 50 net orders so far this year, including the 16 frame Cebu order, more orders than the 787 this year.

The A330 program as a whole has due to 5 A330-200 cancellations 45 net orders.


It's not that long ago that some a-net posters were ready to write the obituary for the A330neo. Nice to see airlines having faith in the A330neo and ordering it.


If by some chance the 40 x A330-900 for Emirates gets finalised at the DAS, the A330NEO could be close to 100 orders this year …. :scratchchin:

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:49 pm

olle wrote:
Who would guess that A330Neo might outsell teh B787 in 2019 ?????


Somebody who followed the sales history of both the 787 and A330?
People seem to forget, that the bigger part of A330 sold since the 787 is on offer.

In the five year period 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 the 787 sold 41, 71, 58, 94 and 109 respectively. The A330 sold 154, 136, 83, 21, 27.
That makes it 373 for the 787 and 421 for the A330 over that five year period.
The A330 sold better in 2014, 2015 and 2016 and had dismal sales in 2017, and 2018.

Now it could be a good year for the A330 again.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:21 pm

oschkosch wrote:
Lufthansa has changed 14 777X from firm to options and nobody noticed?


We've been discussing it up-thread. :silly:


817Dreamliiner wrote:
Those 14 were never firmed to begin with. They only firmed 20 out of the commitment of 34.


Speculation has been that LH transferred their 20 747-8 purchase rights deposits to the first 20 commitments, which is why they were booked as firm orders. LH has noted multiple times their 777X contract provides them flexibility to swap between firm, options and purchase rights for up to 64 frames.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:35 am

PacoMartin wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Please note, do not overestimate the A321 Neo family orders, we now see here.

When this gap will have been filled, it is possible we will see again a 50 to 50 distribution for the A320 and A321 Neo orders.


The A321neo outsold the A320neo by 20 jets in 2016, and the A320ceo outsold the A321ceo by a single jet in 2017.
It's possible they will go back to a 50/50 split but it seems as if airlines are seeing the larger jet as a better value for the money.

The numbers I have seen are almost two years old, but the price differential was less than 20%, but I have never seen estimates on the additional price of the LR and XLR version (and still less than half the price of an A330-900)


There is a significant conversion story hidden behind the headline 2019 A320/A321NEO figures.

In the January 2019 O+D spreadsheet the total orders were:-

A320 NEO - 4179
A321 NEO - 2292
Total A320/A321NEO - 6471

In the October 2019 O+D spreadsheet the total order figures are now:-

A320 NEO - 3880 (-299)
A321 NEO - 3142 (+850)
Total A320/A321NEO - 7022 (+551)

A321NEO orders have gone up by 850 in the space of 9 months this year, and are the total driver behind NEO orders (A320 NEO orders are down)

Rgds
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:42 am

olle wrote:
Who would guess that A330Neo might outsell teh B787 in 2019 ?????

Who would guess 2019 had just 10 months????
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:59 am

frigatebird wrote:
olle wrote:
Who would guess that A330Neo might outsell teh B787 in 2019 ?????

Who would guess 2019 had just 10 months????


The key word in olle's post being "might". :wave:
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:43 am

Some update about the IAG deal for 200 B737MAX from Flight Global:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -f-462128/

IAG still finalising 737 Max's place in short-haul fleet plan

I am not sure how read into this. Maybe some input from smarter people than me here?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:03 am

chiad wrote:
Some update about the IAG deal for 200 B737MAX from Flight Global:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -f-462128/

IAG still finalising 737 Max's place in short-haul fleet plan

I am not sure how read into this. Maybe some input from smarter people than me here?

That FG has some bored writers? Really no new substance in there- 737s will go to Vueling and LGW (we knew that) and full delivery schedule and variant mix still not known (latter will probably still be unknown to us when order firmed).
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:13 pm

Boeing October update:

ALC: 5x 787-9
Lufthansa Cargo: 2x 777F
Unidentified: 1x 737 MAX
Unidentified: 2x 787-9

The ALC order is conversion from the 737 MAX. Fedex is also identified as the customer of some more 767s booked as UFO earlier this year.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:48 pm

The ufo order for 2x 787-9 was most likely a order transfer from Biman Bangladesh Airlines to probably GECAS (based on rumors that they will take 2 GECAS/Hainan NTUs) as 2 787-9 orders for Biman were cancelled last month.

The ALC MAX order is down from 168 at the start of the year to 150 now. It was already reported that they were looking at converting their MAX to the 787 in a 3 for 1 deal. ALC cancelled 18 737s and has ordered 6 787s this year so far.

After October the net total for 2019 = minus 95.

It will become a challenge for Boeing to have a positive order total at the end of the year.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:04 pm

So what was the total cancellations for October then?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:14 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
It will become a challenge for Boeing to have a positive order total at the end of the year.


2019 is a lost year for Boeing. 2020 might lookup again, massive amounts of deliveries and many orders which were postponed due to the grounding.
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:18 pm

Someone83 wrote:
So what was the total cancellations for October then?


Net order for Jan - September was - 84
Net order for Jan - October is - 95

So with 10 Gross orders for October it seems there could also be 21 cancellations, but I am not completely sure.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:12 pm

chiad wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
So what was the total cancellations for October then?


Net order for Jan - September was - 84
Net order for Jan - October is - 95

So with 10 Gross orders for October it seems there could also be 21 cancellations, but I am not completely sure.

That seems right.

15 737 MAX for ALC (the already cancelled 3 earlier this year with their 1st 787 order) and 2 787 for Biman. So that would mean 4 more cancellations, all 737. The single MAX order could also be a order transfer.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:22 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
It will become a challenge for Boeing to have a positive order total at the end of the year.


2019 is a lost year for Boeing. 2020 might lookup again, massive amounts of deliveries and many orders which were postponed due to the grounding.


There are probably quite a few orders to be signed off, but are waiting for the 737 MAX crisis to finish.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:35 am

Avolon has ordered another 10xA330neo. Net 7 as it has cancelled 3 from its previous order. Maybe the cancelled frames are 241t which are replaced by 351t - otherwise why not simply take another 7?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... re-462250/
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:40 pm

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Avolon has ordered another 10xA330neo. Net 7 as it has cancelled 3 from its previous order. Maybe the cancelled frames are 241t which are replaced by 351t - otherwise why not simply take another 7?


As they are new-builds, they could have been delivered at 251,000kg instead of 241,000kg. Heck, even if they had been delivered at 241,000kg they could have been uprated (via paperwork change and fee) to 251,000kg.

I am guessing that there were reasons in the existing sales contract for the previous order that made it easier / desirable to just cancel that contract and roll the three undelivered frames from that contract into the new one.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:58 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
15 737 MAX for ALC (the already cancelled 3 earlier this year with their 1st 787 order) and 2 787 for Biman. So that would mean 4 more cancellations, all 737. The single MAX order could also be a order transfer.


Biman signed a deal to purchase the two 789s ... but no further details are available, sadly!
https://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/ ... 7s-1828582
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:33 pm

ASA wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
15 737 MAX for ALC (the already cancelled 3 earlier this year with their 1st 787 order) and 2 787 for Biman. So that would mean 4 more cancellations, all 737. The single MAX order could also be a order transfer.


Biman signed a deal to purchase the two 789s ... but no further details are available, sadly!
https://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/ ... 7s-1828582


Maybe try looking at Boeing’s website?

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-11-17 ... liner-Jets

Or this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=1433791
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:01 pm

Tiger air Taiwan is a a320 IAE operator while parent China Airlines has been a CFM operator for years from the 734 to 738 and A343.
So with CI getting A321neo and IT A320neo
Anyone hazard a guess which engine is going on the neo?
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:41 am

I'm guessing UA ordering 50 x A321 XLR should be on here..

Being discussed on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1436217

Rgds
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:21 am

astuteman wrote:
I'm guessing UA ordering 50 x A321 XLR should be on here..

Being discussed on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1436217

Rgds


As requested in the UA thread, I make this the A321XLR order tally so far. Please correct where it is inaccurate

MEA - 4
ALC - 27
IAG - 28
QF - 36
AA - 50
Indigo Partners - 50
United - 50
Air Asia Malaysia - 30
Wizz air - 20
Jetsmart - 12
Vietjet 20
Unidentified - 15
Air Arabia - 20
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
Indigo airlines - heaven knows how many out of 300 NEO orders

I make that 392 plus Indigo.

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:07 am

The NEO family has now about 7300 orders and an undelivered backlog of well over 6000 frames!
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:48 am

astuteman wrote:
astuteman wrote:
I'm guessing UA ordering 50 x A321 XLR should be on here..

Being discussed on this thread

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1436217

Rgds


As requested in the UA thread, I make this the A321XLR order tally so far. Please correct where it is inaccurate

MEA - 4
ALC - 27
IAG - 28
QF - 36
AA - 50
Indigo Partners - 50
United - 50
Air Asia Malaysia - 30
Wizz air - 20
Jetsmart - 12
Vietjet 20
Unidentified - 15
Air Arabia - 20
Flynas - 10
Gecas - 20
Indigo airlines - heaven knows how many out of 300 NEO orders

I make that 392 plus Indigo.

Rgds


The 50 to Indigo Partners and 20 to Wizz Air are the same order as I understand it
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:41 pm

November orders and deliveries now on Airbus website.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

Orders for the month:-

120 x A320NEO for Air Arabia
10 x A321XLR for Flynas
12 x A320NEO for Easyjet

50 x A350-900 for Emirates
16 x A330-900 for Cebu Pacific
10 x A330-900 for CIT leasing
4 x A330-800 for unidentified customer

142 narrowbodys and 80 widebodys in the month.

Backlogs now

6,193 x A320 family
628 x A350 family
306 x A330 family
11 x A380's
plus
432 x A220 family.

edit - total orders for year:-

A220 - 38 gross - -7 net (negative)
A320 - 725 gross - 674 net
A330 - 64 gross - 56 net
A350 - 113 gross - 65 net
A380 - 0 gross - -70 net (negative)

Totals - 940 gross - 718 net

A320NEO orders now at 7 200
36 x A319NEO
3963 x A320NEO
3 201 x A321 NEO

Rgds
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:33 pm

astuteman wrote:
November orders and deliveries now on Airbus website.

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

Orders for the month:-

120 x A320NEO for Air Arabia
10 x A321XLR for Flynas
12 x A320NEO for Easyjet

50 x A350-900 for Emirates
16 x A330-900 for Cebu Pacific
10 x A330-900 for CIT leasing
4 x A330-800 for unidentified customer

142 narrowbodys and 80 widebodys in the month.

Backlogs now

6,193 x A320 family
628 x A350 family
306 x A330 family
11 x A380's
plus
432 x A220 family.

edit - total orders for year:-

A220 - 38 gross - -7 net (negative)
A320 - 725 gross - 674 net
A330 - 64 gross - 56 net
A350 - 113 gross - 65 net
A380 - 0 gross - -70 net (negative)

Totals - 940 gross - 718 net

A320NEO orders now at 7 200
36 x A319NEO
3963 x A320NEO
3 201 x A321 NEO

Rgds

Thank you very much for comprehensive information.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:45 pm

The Air Arabia order = 73 A320neo and 47 A321neo

Cancellations:
Emirates: -39x A380-800 (10 left on order)
CIT Leasing: -4x A350-900
Avolon: -2x A330-900
BOC Aviation: -1x A330-900

Identified:
GECAS: 12x A330-900

Transfer:
CIT -> TAP: 1x A330-900

There were 2 more conversions from the A320 to A321.


It's interesting to see a new CIT leasing order as this leasing company was sold to Avolon in 2017. Maybe these were options that were still under CIT and could not be transferred to Avolon? Especially since Avolon order was reduced by 2.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
The Air Arabia order = 73 A320neo and 47 A321neo

Cancellations:
Emirates: -39x A380-800 (10 left on order)
CIT Leasing: -4x A350-900
Avolon: -2x A330-900
BOC Aviation: -1x A330-900

Identified:
GECAS: 12x A330-900

Transfer:
CIT -> TAP: 1x A330-900

There were 2 more conversions from the A320 to A321.


It's interesting to see a new CIT leasing order as this leasing company was sold to Avolon in 2017. Maybe these were options that were still under CIT and could not be transferred to Avolon? Especially since Avolon order was reduced by 2.

Avolon announced that they would order 10 more A330neos but cancel 3 from their previous order at the Dubai air show. Now it looks like they cancelled 2 A339s and 4 A359s instead, and it is booked under CIT? Or maybe they were including the TAP transfer. It’s all a little strange- it sounds like CIT/Avolon were rejiggering what their money at Airbus was getting them.
 
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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:17 pm

astuteman wrote:
4 x A330-800 for unidentified customer

I'm guessing these four are the MOU frames for GA :?:
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