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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:22 pm

5th Quarter? lol When are the year end review by both Airbus and Boeing?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:22 pm

:thumbsup: thank you

Boeing's year end update will most likely be on tuesday January 14th. Airbus could announce it any day up to next week. It's possible that they will announce it on the same day.

If anyone knows the exact dates, please share them.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:42 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
This is thread has come too soon, where still in Q5 2019 when it comes to orders.

Airbus will still book the Spirit order in 2019.


Interesting.

One would expect this Q5 nonsense to be gone after John Leahy left the building.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:46 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
This is thread has come too soon, where still in Q5 2019 when it comes to orders.

Airbus will still book the Spirit order in 2019.


Interesting.

One would expect this Q5 nonsense to be gone after John Leahy left the building.


:checkmark: and if they want to keep the nonsence of this sales race up, they would rather book it in January, last years race to gone the moment the MAX was grounded.
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:00 pm

MoreMiles wrote:
5th Quarter? lol When are the year end review by both Airbus and Boeing?


It used to be called Leahys 5th quarter as Airbus "magically" announced buckets of order after December 31st related to the previous year, resulting in Airbus winning the order-race.
Of course we all know that large aircraft orders takes weeks and months to negotiate.
Despite this happing year after year for at least the last 10 years, the expression stuck ... mostly as a joke.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:28 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
This is thread has come too soon, where still in Q5 2019 when it comes to orders.

Airbus will still book the Spirit order in 2019.


Interesting.

One would expect this Q5 nonsense to be gone after John Leahy left the building.


The Airbus Q5 nonsense was a Boeing fanboy invention as they couldn’t accept that Airbus could ever outsell Boeing !!
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:49 pm

chiad wrote:
MoreMiles wrote:
5th Quarter? lol When are the year end review by both Airbus and Boeing?


It used to be called Leahys 5th quarter as Airbus "magically" announced buckets of order after December 31st related to the previous year, resulting in Airbus winning the order-race.
Of course we all know that large aircraft orders takes weeks and months to negotiate.
Despite this happing year after year for at least the last 10 years, the expression stuck ... mostly as a joke.

This.

It has become a harmless tradition, both Airbus and Boeing do it right now, it's nothing to get mad about.

What changed is that most of these orders are now unofficially announced via the press in the last weeks of December, with press releases in the 1st proper work days of the year. There are still deadlines for MOUs, options, etc, set on the last day of the year to be fully firmed up. So there will always be a rush at the end of the year with big announcements. With all the holidays at the end of the year it's also not necessary to announce everything straight away.

As for this year we have only see the BOC and the Spirit order. Some other orders were already fully announced earlier this month, a couple of years ago these would have only been announced at the year wrap up press conference. That's the main difference between then and now.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:01 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Even if this was the 1st announcement it would still be a 2019 order. 2020 only starts after Airbus and Boeing have revealed their 2019 totals.


No, 2020 started on 1st of Jan for both Airbus and Boeing.

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Interesting.

One would expect this Q5 nonsense to be gone after John Leahy left the building.


Given the Spirit order was reported before Christmas, in which year would you expect it to be booked?

Momo1435 wrote:
It has become a harmless tradition, both Airbus and Boeing do it right now, it's nothing to get mad about.


What "harmless tradition" that both sides do? Do you think Airbus & Boeing operate in a regulatory vacuum and can just book orders in whichever year they feel like?
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:54 pm

The 'Q5' comment was meant to be joke. I could not get of the emojis to work. Hence it looked very serious... When are the Review of Sales for 2019 from both Airbus and Boeing?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:14 pm

I expect many airliners demands the orders to be signed before nes years eve of legal and tax reasons.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:06 pm

It's both the airlines and Airbus and Boeing wanting to sign orders before the end of the year for a multitude of reasons. There will also be deadlines for firming up MoUs, options, etc, that lapse on new years day. So there will always be orders that will be booked in December. The whole 5th quarter is only the announcement of these orders that were all booked in December. So nothing has been done against any trade market regulations or accounting rules. That's why it's just a harmless tradition for us aviation enthusiast to look forward too when the holidays are over.

As for the announcements, I posted this at the start of this page. Boeing probably Jan 14, as it's the 2nd tuesday of the month. Airbus doesn't have a regular day, so it could be any day until the end of the next week.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 am

Q5 is just the time, in which the last orders of Q4 bubble to the surface...
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:29 am

BOC aviation has announced an order for 20 A320neo for delivery in 2023 and 2024.
This order comes in addition to the order announced on Dec 31 for 18 A320neo with delivery 2022 and 2023.

From Reuters:

"Jan 7 (Reuters) - BOC Aviation Ltd 2588.HK:

COMPANY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH AIRBUS S.A.S.
CO AGREED TO PURCHASE 20 AIRBUS A320NEO FAMILY AIRCRAFT
AIRBUS A320NEO FAMILY AIRCRAFT SCHEDULED FOR DELIVERY IN 2023 AND 2024"

Edit:
Now on Airbus website as well.
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:11 pm

scbriml wrote:
Given the Spirit order was reported before Christmas, in which year would you expect it to be booked?


Airbus issued the press release on January 6.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:44 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Given the Spirit order was reported before Christmas, in which year would you expect it to be booked?


Airbus issued the press release on January 6.


The deal was reported by Reuters as being completed on 23rd December. Just because Airbus didn't release their PR until after the Christmas & New Year holidays doesn't mean it wasn't actually done before. Spirit doesn't seem to have released any PR confirming the order at all, so does that mean it hasn't happened?
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:03 pm

Frankly I would only rely on official statements, newspapers like Reuters can be wrong from time to time.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:13 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Frankly I would only rely on official statements, newspapers like Reuters can be wrong from time to time.


And Airbus often book orders in other months than they release the press release. So who to «trust»
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:14 pm

Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000 + 60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:16 pm

chiad wrote:
Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000
60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.

The Air France A350s are -900s, not -1000s.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:18 pm

chiad wrote:
Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000 + 60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.
BOC 20 + 18 = 38

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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:19 pm

chiad wrote:
Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000 + 60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.

You missed the 1st BOC order for 18 A320neo.

And AF ordered the A350-900 not the -1000
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
chiad wrote:
Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000 + 60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.

You missed the 1st BOC order for 18 A320neo.

And AF ordered the A350-900 not the -1000


Ah .. thanks.

About the BOC order ... I think maybe there has only been one order for 20 units. Perhaps media, in this case Flight Global, got it wrong?

https://www.bocaviation.com/en/Press-Releases
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:30 pm

chiad wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
chiad wrote:
Order for December so far seems to be:
United: 50 A321XLR
Sky: 10 A321XLR
Air France: 10 A350-1000 + 60 A220-300
Spirit: 100 A32xNEO
BOC 20 A320NEO

Total: 250

Please correct if I missed something.

You missed the 1st BOC order for 18 A320neo.

And AF ordered the A350-900 not the -1000


Ah .. thanks.

About the BOC order ... I think maybe there has only been one order for 20 units. Perhaps media, in this case Flight Global, got it wrong?

https://www.bocaviation.com/en/Press-Releases

It’s plausible. The only two sources I can find for the 18 frame order is FG on Dec 30 and Simple Flying which cites a “release” on Dec 31 but does not link to one. Neither BOC or Airbus have any press about it, and newest press doesn’t mention it.

I suspect FG heard about this order but got details wrong. 18 instead of 20 matches Avianca taking 10 but possibly up to 12. FG might have thought those other 2 would not be firmed or would be part of the balance of 8.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:39 pm

Aviance has agreeed to reduce its firm commitments with Airbus from 108 A320neo to 88 A320 neo.
Remaining 88 A320neo will be delivered between 2025 and 2029.
In addition, Avianca has agreed a 12 year operational lease with BOC for 12 A320neo.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:52 pm

Asiaflyer wrote:
Aviance has agreeed to reduce its firm commitments with Airbus from 108 A320neo to 88 A320 neo.
Remaining 88 A320neo will be delivered between 2025 and 2029.
In addition, Avianca has agreed a 12 year operational lease with BOC for 12 A320neo.


Source??
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:05 pm

qf789 wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
Aviance has agreeed to reduce its firm commitments with Airbus from 108 A320neo to 88 A320 neo.
Remaining 88 A320neo will be delivered between 2025 and 2029.
In addition, Avianca has agreed a 12 year operational lease with BOC for 12 A320neo.


Source??

Headlines on Reuters so far.
No story to link yet.

07-Jan-2020 15:26:15 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS ANNOUNCES FLEET PLAN OPTIMIZATION
07-Jan-2020 15:26:34 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS SA - IN COOPERATION WITH AIRBUS, COMPANY HAS REDUCED ITS FIRM COMMITMENTS TO 88 A320NEO AIRCRAFT (FROM 108)
07-Jan-2020 15:26:44 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS SA - PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED FIRM A320NEO FAMILY DELIVERIES IN 2020 THROUGH 2024 HAVE BEEN DEFERRED OR CANCELLED
07-Jan-2020 15:26:54 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS SA - SEPARATELY, AVIANCA HAS AGREED TO ENTER INTO 12-YEAR OPERATING LEASES FOR UP TO 12 A320NEO AIRCRAFT WITH BOC AVIATION
07-Jan-2020 15:27:18 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS SA - FINALLY, AVIANCA REACHED A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AGREEMENT WITH BOEING WITH REGARDS TO OUTSTANDING 787-9 DELIVERIES
07-Jan-2020 15:28:09 - AVIANCA HOLDINGS SA -88 REMAINING A320NEO AIRCRAFT COMMITMENTS ARE NOW SCHEDULED FOR DELIVERY IN 2025 THROUGH 2028 WITH BALANCE IN 2029
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:14 pm

Sounds like BOC is taking over the Avianca frames cancelled and leasing some back to the airline. BOC is pretty fond of doing that, off the top of my head they did the same with DY 787s earlier in the year or in 2018.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:40 pm

Polot wrote:
Sounds like BOC is taking over the Avianca frames cancelled and leasing some back to the airline. BOC is pretty fond of doing that, off the top of my head they did the same with DY 787s earlier in the year or in 2018.


FlightGlobal is reporting that at least 10 of the 20 are for Avianca and that Avianca may lease up to 12.

BOC Aviation has placed an order for 20 Airbus A320neos, with at least 10 committed to new customer Avianca.


and

Colombia-based Avianca may lease up to 12 A320neos. Its chief finance officer, Adrian Neuhauser, says, “We are delighted to establish a relationship with BOC Aviation, who are one of the world’s foremost lessors, and we sincerely value the confidence they are showing in Avianca and the support to our long-term plan.”


https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/boc ... 15.article
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:33 pm

So the BOC orders are replacing cancelled orders and therefore not really increasing the net orders for the year.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:41 pm

Here is a link to FlightGlobal reporting that Avianca has cancelled 20 A320neo family aircraft:

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 24.article
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:04 pm

Airbus just posted the December and 2019 orders and delivery summary on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1215692033949687814
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

863 aircrafts delivered, 1,131 new aircraft orders of which 768 are net orders and they have a backlog stands at 7,482 aircraft

Source is links above:

In 2019, deliveries comprised:

A220 Family: 48 v 20 in 2018 (since the A220 became part of the Airbus Family: 1 July 2018)

A320 Family: 642 v 626 in 2018. Of these, 551 were NEO Family v 386 in 2018

A330 Family: 53 v 49 in 2018. Of these, 41 were NEO Family v 3 in 2018

A350 XWB Family: 112 v 93 in 2018. Of these, 25 were A350-1000 v 14 in 2018

A380: 8 v 12 in 2018


IMO a backlog of almost 7500 aircraft is kinda mind boggling.
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:18 pm

The spreadsheet lists an order for 40 A330-900s from an undisclosed customer at the 23th of December. That sounds like China?
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:25 pm

Interestingly it looks like some of the expected Dec 2019 order (ie Spirit and BOC) are actually 2020 orders. AF A220 order was firmed but not A350 order.

Agreed A330 order is probably China, I can’t think of anybody who is looking for that amount of metal.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:16 pm

Polot wrote:
Interestingly it looks like some of the expected Dec 2019 order (ie Spirit and BOC) are actually 2020 orders. AF A220 order was firmed but not A350 order.

Agreed A330 order is probably China, I can’t think of anybody who is looking for that amount of metal.


Emirates?

The first A330-900 for Emirates could be delivered as early as mid 2021.

Clark leaves door open to Emirates A330neo deal


https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-air-show-2019/clark-leaves-door-open-to-emirates-a330neo-deal/135442.article
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:18 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Airbus just posted the December and 2019 orders and delivery summary on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/1215692033949687814
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html

863 aircrafts delivered, 1,131 new aircraft orders of which 768 are net orders and they have a backlog stands at 7,482 aircraft

Source is links above:

In 2019, deliveries comprised:

A220 Family: 48 v 20 in 2018 (since the A220 became part of the Airbus Family: 1 July 2018)

A320 Family: 642 v 626 in 2018. Of these, 551 were NEO Family v 386 in 2018

A330 Family: 53 v 49 in 2018. Of these, 41 were NEO Family v 3 in 2018

A350 XWB Family: 112 v 93 in 2018. Of these, 25 were A350-1000 v 14 in 2018

A380: 8 v 12 in 2018


IMO a backlog of almost 7500 aircraft is kinda mind boggling.


Decembers "order glory" has been very much upset by a massive 141 cancellations, including 33 A350-900 and 70 A320neo.
So net orders for December are only 30 frames.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:54 pm

10 x A220-100 BRAATHENS REGIONAL AIRWAYS order, which was already long time dead, is now cancelled. One Zombie order less.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:00 pm

So who cancelled the A330-900 order or was is reslity transfered to a financial (leasing) company?
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:08 pm

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So who cancelled the A330-900 order or was is reslity transfered to a financial (leasing) company?


Or was it the swap to a 40x A330-900 order? So the undisclosed? Let us see, if we can identify in the Dec-2019 to Nov-2019 listings in comparison, which A350 order has been reduced or disappeared (the 33x A350-900).
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:18 pm

T4thH wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
So who cancelled the A330-900 order or was is reslity transfered to a financial (leasing) company?


Or was it the swap to a 40x A330-900 order? So the undisclosed? Let us see, if we can identify in the Dec-2019 to Nov-2019 listings in comparison, which A350 order has been reduced or disappeared (the 33x A350-900).

Oh I did not see the A350 cancelation earlier. I’m changing my previous theory from China as the source of the A339 order to it being a conversation.

One A350 cancellation I did notice is Synergy group’s order for 10 A350s is now unsurprisingly dead.
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:26 pm

T4thH wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
So who cancelled the A330-900 order or was is reslity transfered to a financial (leasing) company?


Or was it the swap to a 40x A330-900 order? So the undisclosed? Let us see, if we can identify in the Dec-2019 to Nov-2019 listings in comparison, which A350 order has been reduced or disappeared (the 33x A350-900).


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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:27 pm

Polot wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
So who cancelled the A330-900 order or was is reslity transfered to a financial (leasing) company?


Or was it the swap to a 40x A330-900 order? So the undisclosed? Let us see, if we can identify in the Dec-2019 to Nov-2019 listings in comparison, which A350 order has been reduced or disappeared (the 33x A350-900).

Oh I did not see the A350 cancelation earlier. I’m changing my previous theory from China as the source of the A339 order to it being a conversation.


I have just checked the Nov/Dec-2019 listings.
3 (or more) customers have cancelled, of them 15 undisclosed.
So possibly a swap of 15 A350-900 to the 40x A330-900 order (with some additional ordered)?

8 cancelled by Hong-Kong Airlines
10 cancelled by SYNERGY AEROSPACE .
15 cancelled by undisclosed.
So these 33 cancelled A350-900 are now identified.

Edit: someone was few seconds faster.

Edit 2: Synergy Aerospace/holding is Avianca, The 10x were foreseen for Avianca Brazil, to be delivered in 2015, the order is long time dead (a zombie).
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:44 pm

T4thH wrote:
Edit 2: Synergy Aerospace/holding is Avianca, The 10x were foreseen for Avianca Brazil, to be delivered in 2015, the order is long time dead (a zombie).


Moreover, they ordered the A350-800 originally, which was never built. Seems that Airbus has been cleaning its order book
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:49 pm

T4thH wrote:
Polot wrote:
T4thH wrote:

Or was it the swap to a 40x A330-900 order? So the undisclosed? Let us see, if we can identify in the Dec-2019 to Nov-2019 listings in comparison, which A350 order has been reduced or disappeared (the 33x A350-900).

Oh I did not see the A350 cancelation earlier. I’m changing my previous theory from China as the source of the A339 order to it being a conversation.


I have just checked the Nov/Dec-2019 listings.
3 (or more) customers have cancelled, of them 15 undisclosed.
So possibly a swap of 15 A350-900 to the 40x A330-900 order (with some additional ordered)?

8 cancelled by Hong-Kong Airlines
10 cancelled by SYNERGY AEROSPACE .
15 cancelled by undisclosed.
So these 33 cancelled A350-900 are now identified.

Edit: someone was few seconds faster.

Edit 2: Synergy Aerospace/holding is Avianca, The 10x were foreseen for Avianca Brazil, to be delivered in 2015, the order is long time dead (a zombie).


At least according to Wiki, there is no airline with exactly 15 A359s remaining on order.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:50 pm

LJ wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Edit 2: Synergy Aerospace/holding is Avianca, The 10x were foreseen for Avianca Brazil, to be delivered in 2015, the order is long time dead (a zombie).


Moreover, they ordered the A350-800 originally, which was never built. Seems that Airbus has been cleaning its order book

Yes, get rid of the zombies. It is the same with the now cancelled 10 x A220-100 BRAATHENS REGIONAL AIRWAYS order. It is also long time dead.
 
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:58 pm

A330 NEO had a very strong sales performance in 2019: 104 gross, 99 net. At this rate Airbus will have to boost production.
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Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:01 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Polot wrote:
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At least according to Wiki, there is no airline with exactly 15 A359s remaining on order.


23x A350-900 and 1x A350-1000 have been ordered by "undisclosed" on 06-Jul-2017. Of them now 8x A350-900 and 1x A350-1000 are still in the books/listing.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:04 pm

T4thH wrote:

8 cancelled by Hong-Kong Airlines
10 cancelled by SYNERGY AEROSPACE .
15 cancelled by undisclosed.


The undisclosed order is Hainan Airlines.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:46 pm

Polot wrote:
Interestingly it looks like some of the expected Dec 2019 order (ie Spirit and BOC) are actually 2020 orders. AF A220 order was firmed but not A350 order.


Will be a good start for the 2020 order book.

Baldr wrote:
Polot wrote:
Interestingly it looks like some of the expected Dec 2019 order (ie Spirit and BOC) are actually 2020 orders. AF A220 order was firmed but not A350 order.

Agreed A330 order is probably China, I can’t think of anybody who is looking for that amount of metal.


Emirates?

The first A330-900 for Emirates could be delivered as early as mid 2021.

Clark leaves door open to Emirates A330neo deal


https://www.flightglobal.com/dubai-air-show-2019/clark-leaves-door-open-to-emirates-a330neo-deal/135442.article


I would be surprised. Emirates wants to see a mature engine before ordering anything new.

RasmusJ wrote:
The spreadsheet lists an order for 40 A330-900s from an undisclosed customer at the 23th of December. That sounds like China?


Polot wrote:
Interestingly it looks like some of the expected Dec 2019 order (ie Spirit and BOC) are actually 2020 orders. AF A220 order was firmed but not A350 order.

Agreed A330 order is probably China, I can’t think of anybody who is looking for that amount of metal.


China is in no position to take more aircraft right now. Remember that Hainan is getting rid of its A350 and 787 orders.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:48 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:

China is in no position to take more aircraft right now. Remember that Hainan is getting rid of its A350 and 787 orders.

Hainan is technically a “private” carrier (in quotes because it’s China...HNA still has a lot of connection to government) and not part of the “Chinese” orders. It would be for the Big 3 (Air China, China Eastern, China Southern) and their various subsidiaries if a Chinese order.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:41 pm

With all the discussion on the A350 cancellations and the A330 UFO order nobody posted the:

Airbus December orders overview:

UNITED AIRLINES: 50x A321neo
PRIVATE CUSTOMER; 1x A319neo
AIR FRANCE: 60x A220-300
UNDISCLOSED: 40x A330-900
NORDIC AVIATION CAPITAL: 6x A220-100
NORDIC AVIATION CAPITAL: 14x A220-300


Cancellations:
BRAATHENS REGIONAL AIRWAYS: -10x A220neo
HONG KONG AIRLINES: -8x A350-900
Governments; Executive and private Jets: -1 A320neo
JETSMART: -7x A321neo
SYNERGY AEROSPACE CORPORATION: -62x A320neo
SYNERGY AEROSPACE CORPORATION: -1x A330-200F
SYNERGY AEROSPACE CORPORATION: -10x A350-900
UNDISCLOSED: -15x A350-900
UTAIR AVIATION: -8x A321ceo
others: -19x A320neo family (there are quite a few order transfers, it's not easy to list them all)

notes:
Synergy cancelled all their outstanding orders.
No Air France A350-900 order
No Spirit A320neo order
No Avianca cancellation yet
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