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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:24 pm

In addition to the FATters, it looks like LOVE is getting some AS LUV too as you can get

from Love Field to Everett mainline if you wish to terminate is SEA or Ejet if you wish to connect through PDX.
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:28 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
In addition to the FATters, it looks like LOVE is getting some AS LUV too as you can get

from Love Field to Everett mainline if you wish to terminate is SEA or Ejet if you wish to connect through PDX.

what are you trying to say? Is AS adding mainline DAL-PAE, or SEA-PAE, or what?
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:33 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
In addition to the FATters,

it looks like LOVE is getting some AS LUV too, as you can get from Love Field to Everett MAINLINE if you wish to TERMINATE in Seattle or

Ejet if you wish to CONNECT through PDX.


Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear.
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:03 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
In addition to the FATters,

it looks like LOVE is getting some AS LUV too, as you can get from Love Field to Everett MAINLINE if you wish to TERMINATE in Seattle or

Ejet if you wish to CONNECT through PDX.


Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear.


Will this be the first mainline to PAE?
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:06 pm

cschleic wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
In addition to the FATters,

it looks like LOVE is getting some AS LUV too, as you can get from Love Field to Everett MAINLINE if you wish to TERMINATE in Seattle or

Ejet if you wish to CONNECT through PDX.


Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear.


Will this be the first mainline to PAE?


For God’s sake terminate in SEA for Everett. I keep getting lit up mailboxes!

DAL- SEA is going to have mainline. Starting to wish i never even mentioned it.
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:09 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
cschleic wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:

Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear.


Will this be the first mainline to PAE?


For God’s sake terminate in SEA for Everett. I keep getting lit up mailboxes!

DAL- SEA is going to have mainline. Starting to wish i never even mentioned it.


Why even bring up PAE/Everett in the first place? That's what caused the confusion.
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:12 pm

Gosh another little lit up mailbox!

... like I said I am sorry I even brought up mainline and Everett... Enough lit up mail box notification already!

Boeing operates out of Everett... hello!
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:29 pm

Boise gets 4x mainline now to SEA with a total of 11 daily. Q400 flying is a bit reduced with E175 flying taking over SMF and even a couple GEG flights.
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:11 pm

Smart for AS to focus on markets that they are strong. Fight less in the overcrowded markets like SLC-LAX which has everyone and low fares. Mainline will help them keep loyal flyers happy and average fares from these airports are worth making sure you keep the loyal flyers.
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:51 pm

I love the fact that AS is building their "smaller" markets like what was mentioned here...as well as adding to flights to STS and adding another flight SEA-SBA.
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:55 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
cschleic wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:

Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear.


Will this be the first mainline to PAE?


For God’s sake terminate in SEA for Everett. I keep getting lit up mailboxes!

DAL- SEA is going to have mainline. Starting to wish i never even mentioned it.


DAL-SEA had mainline in summer 2019.
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:56 pm

What was surprising to me is that SEA-OKC quietly went mainline.
 
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:50 pm

Chugach wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
cschleic wrote:

Will this be the first mainline to PAE?


For God’s sake terminate in SEA for Everett. I keep getting lit up mailboxes!

DAL- SEA is going to have mainline. Starting to wish i never even mentioned it.


DAL-SEA had mainline in summer 2019.

Well they got it again apparently.
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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:33 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
Boise gets 4x mainline now to SEA with a total of 11 daily. Q400 flying is a bit reduced with E175 flying taking over SMF and even a couple GEG flights.

It's nice to see them strengthening their position in BOI.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:46 pm

It appears AS's SLC-experiment is taking its last breaths as the city will be down to 3 destinations next summer - SEA, PDX and SFO. It's been a slow death since it's beginning in Summer of 2014, with 8 destinations served by 13 daily departures. With increases in existing service on the remaining 3 routes, it looks like summer 2020 will still see ~12 departures.

Taking on DL at one of its hubs was an interesting strategy that many thought would not succeed, but I also think WN decided to get into the fray as well. I know in the case of SAN, WN is now double-daily in the market they re-entered in 2017. AS decided to essentially back out and turn SLC back into a simple outstation (spoke) served from only 3 of their main hubs.

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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:08 pm

SANFan wrote:
It appears AS's SLC-experiment is taking its last breaths as the city will be down to 3 destinations next summer - SEA, PDX and SFO. It's been a slow death since it's beginning in Summer of 2014, with 8 destinations served by 13 daily departures. With increases in existing service on the remaining 3 routes, it looks like summer 2020 will still see ~12 departures.

Taking on DL at one of its hubs was an interesting strategy that many thought would not succeed, but I also think WN decided to get into the fray as well. I know in the case of SAN, WN is now double-daily in the market they re-entered in 2017. AS decided to essentially back out and turn SLC back into a simple outstation (spoke) served from only 3 of their main hubs.

bb


When other airlines pull back from such competition, WN says “hold my beer and watch THIS!” ;)
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:30 am

flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:35 am

9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


AS has been making progress on their upgrades. I have seen it on some of the A320's and A321's...a few of the -900ER's....in addition to their -700's.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:26 pm

Alaska discontinued hot food for sale?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:37 pm

9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


Personally, I find the cold food superior. I particularly like the salad options.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:04 pm

While AS hasn't announced any new destinations this year, there are some more destinations not currently served by AS such as CLT, CVG, CLE, DSM, JAX, ORF, and TUL that AS could serve nonstop out of SEA.

Will AS add SEA-CLT, SEA-CVG, SEA-CLE, SEA-DSM, SEA-JAX, SEA-ORF, and/or SEA-TUL nonstop service in 2020?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:06 am

sxf24 wrote:
9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


Personally, I find the cold food superior. I particularly like the salad options.


The Tom Douglas options were usually among the best you could get in economy.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:05 am

9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


AS needs to step up it's game to at least offer pre-departure drink service in F and to actually honor it's commitment to F passengers to reserve a meal up to 20 hours in advance. No one expects hard product equal to MINT or Delta One or American 321 T First service, but let's start with the basics.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:06 am

jplatts wrote:
While AS hasn't announced any new destinations this year, there are some more destinations not currently served by AS such as CLT, CVG, CLE, DSM, JAX, ORF, and TUL that AS could serve nonstop out of SEA.

Will AS add SEA-CLT, SEA-CVG, SEA-CLE, SEA-DSM, SEA-JAX, SEA-ORF, and/or SEA-TUL nonstop service in 2020?


Highly unlikely, the east coast cities listed I would say there is zero chance, the rest I’d say less than 1%.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:39 am

admanager wrote:
9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


AS needs to step up it's game to at least offer pre-departure drink service in F and to actually honor it's commitment to F passengers to reserve a meal up to 20 hours in advance. No one expects hard product equal to MINT or Delta One or American 321 T First service, but let's start with the basics.


Regarding the food reservation, I'll be in F on an AS flight three weeks from now and the app shows I can reserve a meal now.

But agree with the earlier comment about the F remodels...currently it's a real mix out there.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:32 am

I flew F 4 times in the past two weeks. Depending on the aircraft that you're on, F is so far from being standardized on Alaska. I get on the plane and don't know what to expect. My last experience in F was on a 739, and the seat pitch is much tighter than Delta and the trays are in the armrest.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:45 am

CLJFlyer wrote:
I flew F 4 times in the past two weeks. Depending on the aircraft that you're on, F is so far from being standardized on Alaska. I get on the plane and don't know what to expect. My last experience in F was on a 739, and the seat pitch is much tighter than Delta and the trays are in the armrest.


They'll get there.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:44 am

9Patch wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Just for fun, here are my wishes for AS moving forward (as a long-time Gold and MVP)

1- Improve the food especially in Y. More choices and better. That breakfast sandwich is mostly just bread. This seems to be an ongoing issue for AS to get really decent food
2 - Get those first class cabins upgraded. You mentioned it over a year ago, and I believe except for a few 700's, the fleet has not been upgraded

Now for some pie-in-the-sky wishes:

1 - East coast focus city ( I know it is unlikely, but how neat it if AS made maybe Cleveland a focus city and you could fly Cleveland to Buffalo or maybe Cleveland to Jacksonville). Maybe that future and potential merger with Jet Blue will solve this
2- International! Well more of it. How cool it would be to step on an AS 787 and land in London, Tokyo or Copenhagen???


I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


The hot food stopped the day the Airbus came into the AS fleet as they don’t have ovens in the back galley... in fact, most of them barely have a galley in back compared to the 737’s. I do miss the hot offering but I think the food quality has improved overall. The salad is a standout for sure, though I do agree that there is WAY too much bread on any sandwich!

First class (as well as Premium and Main) are all in the process of being upgraded. The 700’s are all done and a majority of the Airbus fleet appears to be done as well. The majority of the Boeing fleet will be upgraded at some point, but it’s not like they can wave a magic wand and make it all happen tomorrow. With the MAX delays no airline can afford to keep large amounts of the fleet on the ground getting expensive retrofits.

I would love to see Alaska with a larger international operation! Depending on if/when the NMA/MOM/797 launches and what it’s capable of Alaska could certainly grow in that way... but a 788/A330 is a VERY large jump from a 737.

Keep in mind AS just finished one of the fastest and arguably one of the most successful mergers in modern aviation history. With that in the rear view mirror and nearly all of the merger cost paid off already they can start figuring out what the new normal looks like. I for one am excited to see what that is!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:29 am

CLJFlyer wrote:
I flew F 4 times in the past two weeks. Depending on the aircraft that you're on, F is so far from being standardized on Alaska. I get on the plane and don't know what to expect. My last experience in F was on a 739, and the seat pitch is much tighter than Delta and the trays are in the armrest.


The 737-700s are complete and so are most of the Airbus. They haven’t even started on the 739 and 738 yet, so it’s not a mixed bag, you know exactly what you’ll get with the exception of the A320, there’s still a few in the old VX config. I think maybe some old A321s left, but not positive.

They have the most legroom in first class among any U.S. airline with recliner seats, so the no way the seat pitch was tighter than Delta. Alaska has a standardized 42 inches of pitch in first across the Boeing and Airbus fleets, while the other domestic airlines average 36-38 inches varying by fleet type. The most Delta has is 40, and that’s on the 757s. Most of their fleet is 36-37.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:10 pm

tiptoe42 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
While AS hasn't announced any new destinations this year, there are some more destinations not currently served by AS such as CLT, CVG, CLE, DSM, JAX, ORF, and TUL that AS could serve nonstop out of SEA.

Will AS add SEA-CLT, SEA-CVG, SEA-CLE, SEA-DSM, SEA-JAX, SEA-ORF, and/or SEA-TUL nonstop service in 2020?


Highly unlikely, the east coast cities listed I would say there is zero chance, the rest I’d say less than 1%.


One big difference between AS and AA, DL, UA, and WN is that you have to fly on an airline other than AS to get to places such as CLT, CVG, CLE, DSM, JAX, ORF, or TUL from SEA whereas AA can offer 1-stop connections to destinations that it doesn't serve nonstop from DFW, DL can offer 1-stop connections to destinations that it doesn't serve nonstop from SLC, UA can offer 1-stop connections to destinations that it doesn't serve nonstop from SFO, and WN can offer 1-stop connections to destinations that it doesn't serve nonstop from DAL.

While F9 has less than daily seasonal nonstop service to CLE from SEA, I previously mentioned that the lack of SEA-CLE nonstop service on a non-ULCC is a huge hole as the PDEW on SEA-CLE was 165 passengers per day in Q2 2019. In addition, 68% of the passengers traveling between CLE and SEA were connecting on airlines other than F9 in Q2 2019. There is likely enough demand for AS to serve CLE nonstop from SEA, even with F9 operating less than daily seasonal nonstop service to CLE from SEA, due to the significant amount of passengers who connect to CLE from SEA on airlines other than F9 (which comes out to an average of 112 passengers/day in each direction in Q2 2019).

There are some individuals who mentioned DL possibly adding SEA-CLE nonstop service, even though AS is more likely to add SEA-CLE nonstop service than DL is since most of the recent DL domestic adds out of SEA are to destinations that were already served nonstop out of SEA on AS.

Here are the Q2 2019 PDEW's of top routes out of SEA that aren't currently served by AS:
SEA-CLT - 203
SEA-CLE - 165
SEA-CVG - 148
SEA-ORF - 114
SEA-JAX - 110
SEA-BDL - 81
SEA-MEM - 79
SEA-RIC - 68
SEA-SDF - 66
SEA-MSN - 60 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)
SEA-TUL - 60 (within the range of E-175 regional jets)
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:07 pm

sxf24 wrote:
9Patch wrote:
I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:

Personally, I find the cold food superior. I particularly like the salad options.


Salad options are available only on "select flights, most coast to coast and Hawaii flights."
On my upcoming ANC-PDX flight I get a choice of the Fruit and Cheese Platter, Charge Up Protein Platter, or the truly awful Turkey Pretzel Sandwich. I guess I'll have to settle for the protein.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:19 pm

9Patch wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
9Patch wrote:
I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:

Personally, I find the cold food superior. I particularly like the salad options.


Salad options are available only on "select flights, most coast to coast and Hawaii flights."
On my upcoming ANC-PDX flight I get a choice of the Fruit and Cheese Platter, Charge Up Protein Platter, or the truly awful Turkey Pretzel Sandwich. I guess I'll have to settle for the protein.


I know. Most of my flights are transcon or Hawai’i.

Again, I like the changes. The protein platter is a nice alternative to the fruit and cheese. The sandwiches are generally good with interesting flavors, though the turkey pretzel is a bit dry. To each their own.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:15 pm

sxf24 wrote:
9Patch wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
Personally, I find the cold food superior. I particularly like the salad options.


Salad options are available only on "select flights, most coast to coast and Hawaii flights."
On my upcoming ANC-PDX flight I get a choice of the Fruit and Cheese Platter, Charge Up Protein Platter, or the truly awful Turkey Pretzel Sandwich. I guess I'll have to settle for the protein.


I know. Most of my flights are transcon or Hawai’i.

Again, I like the changes. The protein platter is a nice alternative to the fruit and cheese. The sandwiches are generally good with interesting flavors, though the turkey pretzel is a bit dry. To each their own.


I wish the salad was more widely available. If you don’t preorder it, it’s usually sold out... even in premium!
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:02 pm

JayWings wrote:
Keep in mind AS just finished one of the fastest and arguably one of the most successful mergers in modern aviation history. With that in the rear view mirror and nearly all of the merger cost paid off already they can start figuring out what the new normal looks like. I for one am excited to see what that is!


Fast, sure. But, one of the most successful? That’s doubtful - at least as of now. Alaska has done a lot of retreating back to the PNW.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:42 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
JayWings wrote:
Keep in mind AS just finished one of the fastest and arguably one of the most successful mergers in modern aviation history. With that in the rear view mirror and nearly all of the merger cost paid off already they can start figuring out what the new normal looks like. I for one am excited to see what that is!


Fast, sure. But, one of the most successful? That’s doubtful - at least as of now. Alaska has done a lot of retreating back to the PNW.


There are better measures of an airlines merger success than retained routes. AS has paid back the lions share of the money they borrowed to buy VX, they have garnered space at SFO & JFK, both cities AS had targeted for expansion, even having the only boardroom on the east coast.

In addition, AS obtained more space at LAX, an airport AS had targeted for expansion already. Their route planners know what their goals are & it's clear to me the west coast cities hooked to a couple hubs is the plan, with cities like RDM having n/s to SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX & SAN. I expect more love for MT, with mainline jet upgauges to SEA & n/s service to California now, we are seeing what they are going for in the short term. Once that ground is laid, expansions from hub cities will continue.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:56 pm

RWA380 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
JayWings wrote:
Keep in mind AS just finished one of the fastest and arguably one of the most successful mergers in modern aviation history. With that in the rear view mirror and nearly all of the merger cost paid off already they can start figuring out what the new normal looks like. I for one am excited to see what that is!


Fast, sure. But, one of the most successful? That’s doubtful - at least as of now. Alaska has done a lot of retreating back to the PNW.


There are better measures of an airlines merger success than retained routes. AS has paid back the lions share of the money they borrowed to buy VX, they have garnered space at SFO & JFK, both cities AS had targeted for expansion, even having the only boardroom on the east coast.

In addition, AS obtained more space at LAX, an airport AS had targeted for expansion already. Their route planners know what their goals are & it's clear to me the west coast cities hooked to a couple hubs is the plan, with cities like RDM having n/s to SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX & SAN. I expect more love for MT, with mainline jet upgauges to SEA & n/s service to California now, we are seeing what they are going for in the short term. Once that ground is laid, expansions from hub cities will continue.


Completely agree there are different measures, which is largely why I said it isn't really settled if it was successful. Retained routes are partially one, but I meant the California focus that was expressly the reason for the acquisition. I think we are just seeing a temporary adjustment to the network and I do expect more expansion in California (such as LAX as you mention) - its a long term play. However, paying back the loan is not a measure, IMO, because that is I suspect largely from the profits minted out of the PNW rather than the VX portion of the airline.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:30 am

cschleic wrote:
admanager wrote:
9Patch wrote:

I agree with you about the food. Alaska used to have decent food purchases options like hot sandwiches( burgers). Now all the have are cold, tasteless ones. :yuck:


AS needs to step up it's game to at least offer pre-departure drink service in F and to actually honor it's commitment to F passengers to reserve a meal up to 20 hours in advance. No one expects hard product equal to MINT or Delta One or American 321 T First service, but let's start with the basics.


Regarding the food reservation, I'll be in F on an AS flight three weeks from now and the app shows I can reserve a meal now.

But agree with the earlier comment about the F remodels...currently it's a real mix out there.


Order your meal ASAP, When I called AS to inquire why pre-order was cut off more than 30 hours in advance, I was told by Customer Care that once there are a certain number of pre-orders, they cut orders off.
The Mandarin Chicken was tasty and the flight attendant was accommodating to my dietary restrictions.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:38 am

MAH4546 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
I flew F 4 times in the past two weeks. Depending on the aircraft that you're on, F is so far from being standardized on Alaska. I get on the plane and don't know what to expect. My last experience in F was on a 739, and the seat pitch is much tighter than Delta and the trays are in the armrest.


The 737-700s are complete and so are most of the Airbus. They haven’t even started on the 739 and 738 yet, so it’s not a mixed bag, you know exactly what you’ll get with the exception of the A320, there’s still a few in the old VX config. I think maybe some old A321s left, but not positive.

They have the most legroom in first class among any U.S. airline with recliner seats, so the no way the seat pitch was tighter than Delta. Alaska has a standardized 42 inches of pitch in first across the Boeing and Airbus fleets, while the other domestic airlines average 36-38 inches varying by fleet type. The most Delta has is 40, and that’s on the 757s. Most of their fleet is 36-37.


My mistake. I meant to say the seat width was very small on the 739 compared to DL.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:44 am

Not sure if this is the right thread to talk about this on, and correct me if it isn't, but I will be on AS 2830 from PAE - SFO for New Years Eve. I have been looking at historical data for the past two weeks for AS 2830 and it is almost always delayed, if not diverted. I have NYE dinner reservations in SF and I am worried about not making them because of flight delays.

Does anyone know why this flight and a few others have such a bad rep when it comes to being on-time from PAE? I understand the two gate system and how if one flight is off schedule in the morning it will throw off the rest of the day, but how come it is happening almost every day? Is PAE having issues overall as an airport?
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:40 pm

CLJFlyer wrote:
My mistake. I meant to say the seat width was very small on the 739 compared to DL.


I've never been able to find the AS seat maps that speak to seat width to comply with Federal rules on disclosure of info to facilitate use of infant seats.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... nes-during
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:30 pm

CLJFlyer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
I flew F 4 times in the past two weeks. Depending on the aircraft that you're on, F is so far from being standardized on Alaska. I get on the plane and don't know what to expect. My last experience in F was on a 739, and the seat pitch is much tighter than Delta and the trays are in the armrest.


The 737-700s are complete and so are most of the Airbus. They haven’t even started on the 739 and 738 yet, so it’s not a mixed bag, you know exactly what you’ll get with the exception of the A320, there’s still a few in the old VX config. I think maybe some old A321s left, but not positive.

They have the most legroom in first class among any U.S. airline with recliner seats, so the no way the seat pitch was tighter than Delta. Alaska has a standardized 42 inches of pitch in first across the Boeing and Airbus fleets, while the other domestic airlines average 36-38 inches varying by fleet type. The most Delta has is 40, and that’s on the 757s. Most of their fleet is 36-37.


My mistake. I meant to say the seat width was very small on the 739 compared to DL.


It’s not though. AS Boeing’s have 21 inches of width in frost, identical to Delta’s 737s.
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:35 pm

Excited to (finally) see mainline into MT! Summers to MSO, FCA and BZN can be brutal with flights packed every day. Glad they're dipping their toe in...start getting some airframes delivered and maybe we'll see even more in 2021.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:22 pm

CLJFlyer wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread to talk about this on, and correct me if it isn't, but I will be on AS 2830 from PAE - SFO for New Years Eve. I have been looking at historical data for the past two weeks for AS 2830 and it is almost always delayed, if not diverted. I have NYE dinner reservations in SF and I am worried about not making them because of flight delays.

Does anyone know why this flight and a few others have such a bad rep when it comes to being on-time from PAE? I understand the two gate system and how if one flight is off schedule in the morning it will throw off the rest of the day, but how come it is happening almost every day? Is PAE having issues overall as an airport?


IDK about PAE, but normal December weather in California means periodic delays at SFO. AS deals with it by diverting western regional flights to OAK/SJC instead of cancelling or taking 4 hour delays. Always a risk when flying to SFO in winter.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:54 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread to talk about this on, and correct me if it isn't, but I will be on AS 2830 from PAE - SFO for New Years Eve. I have been looking at historical data for the past two weeks for AS 2830 and it is almost always delayed, if not diverted. I have NYE dinner reservations in SF and I am worried about not making them because of flight delays.

Does anyone know why this flight and a few others have such a bad rep when it comes to being on-time from PAE? I understand the two gate system and how if one flight is off schedule in the morning it will throw off the rest of the day, but how come it is happening almost every day? Is PAE having issues overall as an airport?


IDK about PAE, but normal December weather in California means periodic delays at SFO. AS deals with it by diverting western regional flights to OAK/SJC instead of cancelling or taking 4 hour delays. Always a risk when flying to SFO in winter.


People that HAVE to be in SFO for something important in the morning know you should leave the night before. If you have to be there in the afternoon you leave early that morning. If I had dinner plans I'd want to be on a flight leaving no later than 12p or 1pm just to be safe. It's notoriously unreliable.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:25 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread to talk about this on, and correct me if it isn't, but I will be on AS 2830 from PAE - SFO for New Years Eve. I have been looking at historical data for the past two weeks for AS 2830 and it is almost always delayed, if not diverted. I have NYE dinner reservations in SF and I am worried about not making them because of flight delays.

Does anyone know why this flight and a few others have such a bad rep when it comes to being on-time from PAE? I understand the two gate system and how if one flight is off schedule in the morning it will throw off the rest of the day, but how come it is happening almost every day? Is PAE having issues overall as an airport?


IDK about PAE, but normal December weather in California means periodic delays at SFO. AS deals with it by diverting western regional flights to OAK/SJC instead of cancelling or taking 4 hour delays. Always a risk when flying to SFO in winter.


SFO is a risk during all months, not just the winter months. I got diverted twice to SJC in May because of the low clouds and fog at SFO.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:07 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
CLJFlyer wrote:
Not sure if this is the right thread to talk about this on, and correct me if it isn't, but I will be on AS 2830 from PAE - SFO for New Years Eve. I have been looking at historical data for the past two weeks for AS 2830 and it is almost always delayed, if not diverted. I have NYE dinner reservations in SF and I am worried about not making them because of flight delays.

Does anyone know why this flight and a few others have such a bad rep when it comes to being on-time from PAE? I understand the two gate system and how if one flight is off schedule in the morning it will throw off the rest of the day, but how come it is happening almost every day? Is PAE having issues overall as an airport?


IDK about PAE, but normal December weather in California means periodic delays at SFO. AS deals with it by diverting western regional flights to OAK/SJC instead of cancelling or taking 4 hour delays. Always a risk when flying to SFO in winter.


SFO is a risk during all months, not just the winter months. I got diverted twice to SJC in May because of the low clouds and fog at SFO.


Yes, but the risk is higher in winter.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:21 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:

I've never been able to find the AS seat maps that speak to seat width to comply with Federal rules on disclosure of info to facilitate use of infant seats.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... nes-during


https://www.alaskaair.com/content/trave ... -car-seats

You must not have been looking very hard.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:22 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:

IDK about PAE, but normal December weather in California means periodic delays at SFO. AS deals with it by diverting western regional flights to OAK/SJC instead of cancelling or taking 4 hour delays. Always a risk when flying to SFO in winter.


SFO is a risk during all months, not just the winter months. I got diverted twice to SJC in May because of the low clouds and fog at SFO.


Yes, but the risk is higher in winter.


I totally agree...much higher. SFO just plain sucks when inclement weather hits.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:52 pm

PDX-MSP is now being operated by Horizon Air. When I booked a week or two ago, it was SkyWest and now it's Horizon. Obviously, QX is a lot different now than it once was, but this is a pretty long route for them.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:02 am

RWA380 wrote:
There are better measures of an airlines merger success than retained routes. AS has paid back the lions share of the money they borrowed to buy VX, they have garnered space at SFO & JFK, both cities AS had targeted for expansion, even having the only boardroom on the east coast.

In addition, AS obtained more space at LAX, an airport AS had targeted for expansion already. Their route planners know what their goals are & it's clear to me the west coast cities hooked to a couple hubs is the plan, with cities like RDM having n/s to SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX & SAN. I expect more love for MT, with mainline jet upgauges to SEA & n/s service to California now, we are seeing what they are going for in the short term. Once that ground is laid, expansions from hub cities will continue.


AS certainly picked up lot of real estate at LAX, SFO and JFK. Makes sense to use the slots/gates for N/S routes while they build the brand in CA.

I imagine the VXphiles will never be able to digest this merger.

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