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BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:50 pm

Hello all,

I've been looking into British Airways' engineering and understand that BA have an engineering facility at Cardiff.

My 1st question is - could BA move all engineering activities to Cardiff?

My 2nd question is - could BA build new hangars at LHR once the 3rd runway is built? Looking at the 3rd runway plans, there is a commercial zone in between new runway and the North Runway - seems like a good spot?

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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:56 pm

They need some engineering capability at LHR without doubt. Will they build more - well I suspect they are always monitoring their requirements and capability.

LHR will never be for long term and planned maintenance (not including overnight etc) as it is such expensive real estate.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 pm

I doubt that BA will ever build more hangars at LHR.
The Engineering capability at LHR has been reduced over the years. In 1970, BEA and BOAC each had their own engine overhaul workshop at LHR, and all aircraft engineering was carried out there. Nowadays any work planned to take more than a few days is sent away. Cardiff does the B744, B777 and B787., and Glasgow does the A320. There is a hangar at LGW which carries out minor checks on B777 and A320.There are workshops in Wales for cabin, seats and electronics, but not much more. All engine work goes to RR and GE.
A lot of work is carried out by other airlines, especially Iberia in MAD, and a lot of heavy maintenance is contracted out.
Land at LHR is so valuable, it is cheaper to fly the aircraft away.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:43 pm

Given that I believe BA own the land their own maintenance area stands on, (well the old BOAC one at any rate) I think the only LHR development may be the replacement of TBA/TBJ/TBK once they really do start falling down through age. The Cathedral hangar has recently had thre removed "British Airways" branding re-attached, but is of course going to be Terminal 2's third satellite one day.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:56 pm

BAMCO have an ideal setup at Cardiff. The heavy overhaul of widebodies is something that is asset-blocking; so if all heavy maintenance went to LHR they would need a lot more expensive land. As it is, CWL provides a much more expansive operation with additional stand capacity for temporary storage and processing of retired aircraft.

At Heathrow they would need to be much less flexible and utilise every last square foot. GE is also not far away for engine maintenance.

If they wanted some fast and effective expansion there's a huge hangar at BHX going. Trained staff too with 787 and Airbus experience.....
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:04 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Given that I believe BA own the land their own maintenance area stands on, (well the old BOAC one at any rate) I think the only LHR development may be the replacement of TBA/TBJ/TBK once they really do start falling down through age. The Cathedral hangar has recently had thre removed "British Airways" branding re-attached, but is of course going to be Terminal 2's third satellite one day.


Tech Block A is a listed building. The front facade could be replaced, but the main structure has to stay as is.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:05 pm

BA isn't just BA, you forget the overall picture. More and more maintenance will be done at other IAG hubs in the future away from LHR. Painting is already done at DUB and A320 maintenance at MAD as well as GLA.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:23 pm

One of the advantages about doing maintenance of A320 family aircraft at Glasgow, Madrid or Dublin is that no ferry flights are needed. Planes can travel to and from maintenance in passenger service. Cardiff has no service from LHR (or LGW) so a ferry flight is always needed
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Bear in mind that BA acquired bmi's hangar on the acquisition of bmi. The hangar is west of the section of Eastchurch Road which was permanently closed north of the roundabout several years ago.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:57 pm

Not much more to add from what's already been said. Recently though BAMC engineers have been using the Gama hangar at Bournemouth to provide extra maintenance capacity so you can expect to see some 747s and 777s there over the next few months.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:27 pm

And the former Polar hangar Prestwick is being used to densify the A320* series.
I heard BA were giving up the old BMI hangar, was that just a rumour?
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:45 pm

With the slow removal of the 747 fleet Cardiff will have spare capacity going forward, what can they use that for?
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:47 pm

Unfortunately, WW doesn't consider engineering as a core business or even a necessary skill for IAG. So BA Engineering can compete for BA business alongside low-cost MROs from around the world. The best case scenario for employees in the worst case management decision is to become AMECO Cardiff or HAECO Cardiff. Stating the reality of the industry. Don't blame the messenger.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:42 pm

Several years ago I attended a lecture given by Garry Copeland when he was the BA Director of Engineering. He referred to some airlines outsourcing engineering - but not BA - and said that there were Chinese shops which could do work cheaply and had the capacity to do so due to the downturn in the cargo conversion business. I got the impression that he would have wanted to do some outsourcing but felt that it wasn't politic to say so.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:19 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
With the slow removal of the 747 fleet Cardiff will have spare capacity going forward, what can they use that for?


A350 bay going in in the next 2 years. Plus BA’s 787 fleet has grown substanially and will grow further with the arrival of the -10’s.

They’d likely be doing the 777 10 abreast refit if they had the capacity.
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:27 pm

Cardiff has also saved BA a nice few bob over the years. Aircraft come in from Boeing bare and get fitted with cabin furniture at CWL.

Cardiff can also do the opposite; strip cabins before retirement and recycle expensive items.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:27 pm

Today, Monarch Engineering ceases trading so if BA need extra maintenance facilities there's a hanger and ready workforce available in LTN now.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:29 pm

TC957 wrote:
Today, Monarch Engineering ceases trading so if BA need extra maintenance facilities there's a hanger and ready workforce available in LTN now.

I mentioned that above. The BHX hangars can take up to 747 size. That's a fairly new facility as well.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:15 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Unfortunately, WW doesn't consider engineering as a core business or even a necessary skill for IAG.

Well, WW didn't consider handling a core business either, and see what BA had to do at LGW some mothns ago with the Swissport/Aviator fiasco.

When you are small you might find benefits in outsourcing some tasks as it allows some level of flexibility and you don't have to manage the workload yourself. But in this case (Maintenance) you can easily fill up all avilable slots with no worries and costs don't seem to skyrocket.
If BA were to spin-off CWL or any other maintenance facility, BA could go from being the prime "internal" customer to just one more down the list, as CWL would have other customers. And Maintenance is not that easy to scale up in case of need as othe outsourceable areas.

With all facilities spread all over Europe (combining Aer Lingus, Iberia and BA), IAG has the flexibility to perform up to D-checks and plan scheduled maintenance for no matter what OpCo needs within the Group and occasionally send some work out.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:20 pm

In recent months increasing use of Bournemouth for 747 probably C checks. Also 777 currently there.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:16 pm

Channex757 wrote:
Cardiff has also saved BA a nice few bob over the years. Aircraft come in from Boeing bare and get fitted with cabin furniture at CWL.

Cardiff can also do the opposite; strip cabins before retirement and recycle expensive items.


I think that practice of having cabins fitted at Cardiff stopped after the last 777-300ER’s got delivered.
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:17 pm

There's an ongoing 'city deal' project to build a new aviation business park at the east end of the GLA campus, including engineering and maintenance facilties. The masterplan for the airport would suggest BAMG could be relocated here to make it's current site available for any required expansion of passenger facilities. This could in theory provide BA Engineering an opportunity to expand it's remit too.

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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:19 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Cardiff has also saved BA a nice few bob over the years. Aircraft come in from Boeing bare and get fitted with cabin furniture at CWL.

Cardiff can also do the opposite; strip cabins before retirement and recycle expensive items.


I think that practice of having cabins fitted at Cardiff stopped after the last 777-300ER’s got delivered.

There are 3 more due so maybe the lessor and BA have a deal to do that work at CWL too.
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:45 pm

Channex757 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Cardiff has also saved BA a nice few bob over the years. Aircraft come in from Boeing bare and get fitted with cabin furniture at CWL.

Cardiff can also do the opposite; strip cabins before retirement and recycle expensive items.


I think that practice of having cabins fitted at Cardiff stopped after the last 777-300ER’s got delivered.

There are 3 more due so maybe the lessor and BA have a deal to do that work at CWL too.


Thats quite possible...i forgot about the extra 3.
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:54 am

BOAC1966 wrote:
In recent months increasing use of Bournemouth for 747 probably C checks. Also 777 currently there.

What company at BOH does this?
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:01 am

Besides the mentioned CWL DUB GLA MAD locations and MNL as stated in another thread, where does BA send it's birds for heavy MRO on global scale and to which contractor, does anyone know?
 
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Re: BA Engineering Cardiff

Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:13 am

I think BA have sent some A380 to Lufthansa in Manila.

My understanding is that IB are stronger in MRO in IAG than BA - or rather that IAG seems keener to grow MRO in Spain than UK

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